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			== Thanks for the condescension, and helpful tips for living a narcissistic life. ==

			In other news, by not acting like a irrational religious fanatics, my edit has gained consensus and been put in the article. Congrats on your effort, and it's result.] (]) 12:12, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

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"Misplaced Pages's articles are no place for strong views. Or rather, we feel about strong views the way that a natural history museum feels about tigers. We admire them and want our visitors to see how fierce and clever they are, so we stuff them and mount them for close inspection. We put up all sorts of carefully worded signs to get people to appreciate them as much as we do. But however much we adore tigers, a live tiger loose in the museum is seen as an urgent problem." --WP:TIGER

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	Thanks for stimulating a discussion between parties in a DR! DavidForthoffer (talk) 16:53, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Dispute resolution

Guy, just in case no one else has done it, I wanted to take a moment to thank you for the work you're doing at DRN and to welcome you to the dispute resolution community. Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 19:33, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Allow me to second this. You're a great help and you are doing excellent work. Thank you! — Mr. Stradivarius 14:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Thirded. I love your prose: "stay and get into a rip-roaring fight that you cannot win".:-) cheersCurb Chain (talk) 22:10, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

The Heathrow example

For what it is worth, I think you handled a difficult situation with an apposite example, with charm and with friendliness. Backing off is also reasonable. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 17:35, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

You are more than kind :) thank you. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 07:17, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks...

...for your timely assistance on the Jerash/Jordan thing. Both parties seem like genuine contributors and I expect some sort of consensus can be reached - but it's been boggling my mind a bit and I haven't had the time or brain capacity to tackle it on my own. DRN sounds like a great idea. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:33, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Good close on DRN

Dear Guy Macon, I admired your close on the Rape culture DRN for its timeliness, and aptness. Editors working on noticeboards don't often receive positive feedback, so please do know it was admired. Fifelfoo (talk) 09:43, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I managed to completely forget about the open RFC - sorry about that. If the dispute continues after the RFC, may I contact you for help on making a proper DRN? (I've never had to go through any dispute resolution before). Pi.1415926535 (talk) 17:38, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

I will be glad to help in any way I can. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:33, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

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Wow, Guy. You just went through a ringer. Sorry that that turned into such a mess. Every DRN volunteer eventually gets a trial by fire. (Mine happened here, and those two are still at it months later.) You just take a break; I'll do my best to handle it from here. Sleddog116 (talk) 00:09, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Taking a break now. I especially enjoy the fact that you gave me a proper cup of tea. As my dear grandmum who grew up in central London often said to me, "only barbarians have tea without milk." :) --Guy Macon (talk) 00:17, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks

Thanks for the BLP work on Joe Paterno. That's tough work on a sensitive topic and I appreciate it. --Jtalledo (talk) 22:31, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate that. Being a Mediator at WP:DRN, while rewarding, involves dealing with a lot of people who are used to getting their way through attacking anyone who opposes them, and it really helps when someone expresses appreciation. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:43, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

The Anti-Flame Barnstar

		The Anti-Flame Barnstar
		I hereby award Guy Macon the Anti-Flame Barnstar for his resilience and patience in the face of the considerable controversy surrounding the Joe Paterno article and its various trips to DRN and BLPN. That was a lot of heat you had to put up with there, and the article is all the better for how you handled it. — Mr. Stradivarius 02:36, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Consultants

This is on my to-do list; right now I am swamped with work
I've been mulling over your comment on encouraging companies to recruit ethical consultants. I sort of fiddled with it in the essay, but it still feels inappropriate to me anyway. (others may disagree) But the thought of writing a blog post "How to pick an ethical Misplaced Pages consultant," has come to mind often. Every time it boils to the top of my mind, I realize how little credibility I would have on the topic. I wonder if it's something you would be interested in writing about if I found a top SEO or PR blog interested in a veteran editor's perspective. User:King4057 03:05, 7 July 2012 (UTC) That's a pretty good idea. Give me a few days and I will see what I can come up with. --Guy Macon (talk) 03:16, 7 July 2012 (UTC) Cool. I pinged a few of the top SEO blogs, but wouldn't expect to hear back over the weekend anyway. I'll shop the idea around a little. I think it would also be helpful to describe the circumstances where working with a company that doesn't have a Misplaced Pages consultant might be difficult, and when one isn't needed. For example, I get inquiries sometimes from someone who just wants to make a factual correction. People don't know what else to do. Part of the reason I invested the time in helping Hill & Knowlton is because a company shouldn't have to recruit a Misplaced Pages consultant to get someone to spend 20 minutes looking at their controversy, which uses POV sources and op-eds. On the other hand, I think there are many instances where the company's lack of investment in expertise to do the job properly can be really frustrating for volunteers. Leaves them to clean up the mess and so on. Just some thoughts. User:King4057 12:53, 7 July 2012 (UTC) Actually, another idea. It might be better to make it more broad. "One Wikipedians advice to companies." When and how to hire a consultant can be one part of that... I think that would have greater appeal. User:King4057 (EthicalWiki) 15:41, 7 July 2012 (UTC) Note: I haven't forgotten this. I am just on a hot project. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:25, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

This is on my to-do list; right now I am swamped with work

I've been mulling over your comment on encouraging companies to recruit ethical consultants. I sort of fiddled with it in the essay, but it still feels inappropriate to me anyway. (others may disagree) But the thought of writing a blog post "How to pick an ethical Misplaced Pages consultant," has come to mind often. Every time it boils to the top of my mind, I realize how little credibility I would have on the topic. I wonder if it's something you would be interested in writing about if I found a top SEO or PR blog interested in a veteran editor's perspective. User:King4057 03:05, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

That's a pretty good idea. Give me a few days and I will see what I can come up with. --Guy Macon (talk) 03:16, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Cool. I pinged a few of the top SEO blogs, but wouldn't expect to hear back over the weekend anyway. I'll shop the idea around a little. I think it would also be helpful to describe the circumstances where working with a company that doesn't have a Misplaced Pages consultant might be difficult, and when one isn't needed.

For example, I get inquiries sometimes from someone who just wants to make a factual correction. People don't know what else to do. Part of the reason I invested the time in helping Hill & Knowlton is because a company shouldn't have to recruit a Misplaced Pages consultant to get someone to spend 20 minutes looking at their controversy, which uses POV sources and op-eds.

On the other hand, I think there are many instances where the company's lack of investment in expertise to do the job properly can be really frustrating for volunteers. Leaves them to clean up the mess and so on. Just some thoughts. User:King4057 12:53, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Actually, another idea. It might be better to make it more broad. "One Wikipedians advice to companies." When and how to hire a consultant can be one part of that... I think that would have greater appeal. User:King4057 (EthicalWiki) 15:41, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Note: I haven't forgotten this. I am just on a hot project. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:25, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for sorting out edit conflict

I'm sorry; I saw there was an edit conflict in WP:DRN and thought I'd handled it. Clearly I was wrong; I'll have to be more careful in future. Thank you for sorting it out. NebY (talk) 16:54, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Not a problem. You should see some of the mistakes I have made. One of the best things about Misplaced Pages is that mistakes can be undone with a single mouse click. BTW, have you ever read Misplaced Pages:Village stocks? :) --Guy Macon (talk) 17:04, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh that is delightful - thank you! I'm very glad that I don't have the skills or rights to join the list and that I don't need another challenge - at least, not right now. :) NebY (talk) 18:23, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thank you for your patience and perseverance so far with km/h. I do think this process will ultimately result in a better article, but for now, enjoy your beer and, at your leisure, drop by talk:kilometres per hour and contribute as the spirit move you. Garamond Lethe 03:03, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar!

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For all of your hard work at DRN, for cleaning up those pesky infoboxes, and for just being a generally helpful guy. Sleddog116 (talk) 13:01, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

This is of interest only for those who are interested in the Wtshymanski issue
Wtshymanski You volunteered your user page as a collection point for the above user (and I learnt a long time ago never argue to with a volunteer!). I think it is time for a review of Wtshymanski's behaviour especially as I believe that it is not entirely improved. There are fewer edits than normal, but a few points have been noticed. We still have the usual sarcastic comments. Here (Nothing wrong with the edit, which was the desired outcome, but the summary was completely unnecessary given that a citation was called for for an unreferenced point). And also this one though perhaps not as bad as some. (Just In: Another one here .) Editing incorrect material on a subject that he clearly has limited knowledge (and this just a humble switch!) here . Mergeitis is back in vogue (here ). And as usual, the procedure at WP:M has not been followed as minimal notice is provided (target article not tagged etc. etc.). Most Wtshymanski edits are the usual rewritting of others' contribution to meet his requirements of editing style (too numerous to list here). But now for a new twist. Wtshymanski has taken to deleting other people's comments from article talk pages that he disagrees with. A blatant violation ofthe rules (WP:BLANKING). Here and here . The last one was a response of mine to an editor other than Wtrshymanski. I believe that we should now be requesting administrative intervention. How do we go about re-opening the RfC? It continues. Note only my reverted comment but a comment to that has been blanked (here ). I note that he didn't delete Andy Dingley's similar warning so this looks like a personal vendetta. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 15:50, 18 July 2012 (UTC) And again here where Wtshymanski somehow believes that the humble switch was invented in circa 2000. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 17:39, 18 July 2012 (UTC) A note has been left on Wtshymanski's talk page to make him aware which, no doubt, will be deleted unresponded to. I have gathered recently that this is considered a breach if Wiki etiquette. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 15:57, 18 July 2012 (UTC) Wtshymanski - is blocked. Only for 24 hours, but just maybe he may get the message which is probably the most desireable outcome. Full reason: Disruptive editing: Removing others' comments from talk pages without adequate justification (WP:TPO); this reflects a failure to take into account the result of Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Wtshymanski) DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 17:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC) As I mentioned before, I am volunteering my talk page as a central clearing house for this issue. If it becomes large enough I will create a sub page. The goal here is not to get Wtshymanski blocked or banned. The goal is to persuade him to stop the behavior that resulted in Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Wtshymanski. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:53, 18 July 2012 (UTC) I thoroughly concur. The ideal goal is for Wtshymanski to edit in a responsible manner and not create a hostile environment. Wtshymanski's recent absence from Misplaced Pages has thrown into sharp relief the difference in the atmosphere with and without his current contribution style. When I first contributed my £0.02 to the RfC, I was largely on the outside looking in. But since I added my bit, Wtshymanski has been following my edit trail and rewriting or just plain reverting substantial amounts - thus I got sucked in. Unfortunately, I got as exasperated as many others have done and worded responses to Wtshymanski in a manner that I otherwise would not have done. I note that the RfC permits further notes to be added to the bottom in a new section, and so I have taken the liberty of appending the latest behaviour to the RfC. It can be found ]. I note that the sarcasm and indeed abuse continues despite the block and have added this to the RfC as well. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 11:56, 19 July 2012 (UTC) For those of you keeping score, Wtshymanski's latest bad behavior is removing other editor's comments from article talk pages: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Switch&diff=prev&oldid=502972954 https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Mobile_phone&diff=prev&oldid=502961029 https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Mobile_phone&diff=prev&oldid=502986735 https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Switch&diff=prev&oldid=502986821 Also see: User talk:Sandstein#Wtshymanski. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

This is of interest only for those who are interested in the Wtshymanski issue

Wtshymanski

You volunteered your user page as a collection point for the above user (and I learnt a long time ago never argue to with a volunteer!).

I think it is time for a review of Wtshymanski's behaviour especially as I believe that it is not entirely improved.

There are fewer edits than normal, but a few points have been noticed.

We still have the usual sarcastic comments. Here (Nothing wrong with the edit, which was the desired outcome, but the summary was completely unnecessary given that a citation was called for for an unreferenced point). And also this one though perhaps not as bad as some. (Just In: Another one here .)

Editing incorrect material on a subject that he clearly has limited knowledge (and this just a humble switch!) here .

Mergeitis is back in vogue (here ). And as usual, the procedure at WP:M has not been followed as minimal notice is provided (target article not tagged etc. etc.).

Most Wtshymanski edits are the usual rewritting of others' contribution to meet his requirements of editing style (too numerous to list here).

But now for a new twist. Wtshymanski has taken to deleting other people's comments from article talk pages that he disagrees with. A blatant violation ofthe rules (WP:BLANKING). Here and here . The last one was a response of mine to an editor other than Wtrshymanski. I believe that we should now be requesting administrative intervention. How do we go about re-opening the RfC?

It continues. Note only my reverted comment but a comment to that has been blanked (here ). I note that he didn't delete Andy Dingley's similar warning so this looks like a personal vendetta. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 15:50, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

And again here where Wtshymanski somehow believes that the humble switch was invented in circa 2000. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 17:39, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

A note has been left on Wtshymanski's talk page to make him aware which, no doubt, will be deleted unresponded to. I have gathered recently that this is considered a breach if Wiki etiquette. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 15:57, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Wtshymanski - is blocked. Only for 24 hours, but just maybe he may get the message which is probably the most desireable outcome. Full reason: Disruptive editing: Removing others' comments from talk pages without adequate justification (WP:TPO); this reflects a failure to take into account the result of Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Wtshymanski) DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 17:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

As I mentioned before, I am volunteering my talk page as a central clearing house for this issue. If it becomes large enough I will create a sub page.

The goal here is not to get Wtshymanski blocked or banned. The goal is to persuade him to stop the behavior that resulted in Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Wtshymanski. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:53, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

I thoroughly concur. The ideal goal is for Wtshymanski to edit in a responsible manner and not create a hostile environment. Wtshymanski's recent absence from Misplaced Pages has thrown into sharp relief the difference in the atmosphere with and without his current contribution style. When I first contributed my £0.02 to the RfC, I was largely on the outside looking in. But since I added my bit, Wtshymanski has been following my edit trail and rewriting or just plain reverting substantial amounts - thus I got sucked in. Unfortunately, I got as exasperated as many others have done and worded responses to Wtshymanski in a manner that I otherwise would not have done. I note that the RfC permits further notes to be added to the bottom in a new section, and so I have taken the liberty of appending the latest behaviour to the RfC.

It can be found ]. I note that the sarcasm and indeed abuse continues despite the block and have added this to the RfC as well. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 11:56, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

For those of you keeping score, Wtshymanski's latest bad behavior is removing other editor's comments from article talk pages:

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Switch&diff=prev&oldid=502972954

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Mobile_phone&diff=prev&oldid=502961029

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Mobile_phone&diff=prev&oldid=502986735

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Switch&diff=prev&oldid=502986821

Also see: User talk:Sandstein#Wtshymanski. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Only 993056545 articles left until our billionth article!

We are only 993056545 articles away from our 1,000,000,000th article... --Guy Macon (talk)

S-76 dispute

G'day from Oz; at times during the discussion I have wanted to act out the cricket bat scene from Shaun of the Dead. Thank you for providing some much-needed levity. Accordingly, I hereby award you this Barnstar:

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		YSSYguy (talk) 10:52, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the condescension, and helpful tips for living a narcissistic life.

In other news, by not acting like a irrational religious fanatics, my edit has gained consensus and been put in the article. Congrats on your effort, and it's result.TeeTylerToe (talk) 12:12, 23 July 2012 (UTC)