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Uhhh what? Why was this closed two days early as 'no consensus'? The article should have been relisted to produce a clearer consensus. Now an important discussion over a questionable article has gone to waste, thanks. ] 06:56, 3 August 2012 (UTC) Uhhh what? Why was this closed two days early as 'no consensus'? The article should have been relisted to produce a clearer consensus. Now an important discussion over a questionable article has gone to waste, thanks. ] 06:56, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
:Well, the discussion had been open for 12 days and had 12 people !vote on it, that's a lot more than most deletion discussions. It was a pretty even split, so I doubt a clear consensus would have emerged any time soon, note the third paragraph of ]. Since it was a "no consensus" close, you can feel free to renominate fairly soon. Or even go to ] with it, if you think it was closed in error. ] (]) 07:15, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

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The llama of drama is all tired out, time to give it a rest.

Input Wahabi

Your input is needed for the Wiki page on Wahabi. The user Sakimonk constantly violates the rules stating that only factual information be placed on articles. He has constantly changed the first part of the Article to read that Wahabi is a form of Sunni Islam, when in fact is is not, but rather it is a sect unto its own. It has its own laws, leaders, rulings, etc. Thus, I, theone9988, would like you please to ensure he is prevented from changing such factual info in the near future. Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theone9988 (talk • contribs) 02:09, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm curious why you want my input on this? I seldom edit Islam-related articles and know very little about Wahabi and Sunni Islam. I suggest you discuss the matter on Talk:Wahhabi. You should try to offer some sources to support your argument, see WP:RS & WP:V for our policy. Good luck! (and happy Ramadan, if you're Muslim) Mark Arsten (talk) 02:28, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
I suspect that they think you won't notice that it is a reincarnation of Organometalic1 (talk · contribs) who was blocked for making edits that I now see you had, in part, reverted. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 12:58, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
To think that I would see the day when I'm attacked for stating that "only factual information be placed on articles" :) Sakimonk (talk) 16:39, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Oh, Ok, I understand now. Well, I guess if you stay around for long enough around here, you'll get accused of pretty much everything ;) Mark Arsten (talk) 16:51, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Input Young and Restless

Your input is needed on Talk:List_of_The_Young_and_the_Restless_characters_(2010s) for Ricky Williams. Arjoccolenty (talk) 22:43, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Any reason why you want my input? I'm not much of a soap fan. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:50, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

Appreciate your eyes on my new page Allan Graf. I've not been able to do page work recently, and tonight I broke my writer's block. Helped that the story was interesting and that I didn't get boggled by too many sources. I think there's a DYK hook in there somewhere. I've asked someone I trust to give it a look. Anything you'd like to contribute or say would be appreciated. Congrats on Bloody Bill Anderson at FAC, sorry I couldn't do too much to help. Like I said, I've been self-blocked and purely reactive. Trying to unblock; building pagespace I only have marginal interest in is a good throat clearer for me. BusterD (talk) 03:59, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Glad to hear you broke the writers's block, that really is a pain. I haven't looked at the article too closely but it seems to be in pretty good shape, I'll try to check it out again when I have more energy. Thanks re:Anderson, I was pretty happy with how that one came out. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:06, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

For you

The Content Review Medal of Merit  
By order of the Military History WikiProject coordinators, for your devoted work on the WikiProject's Peer, A-Class and Featured Article Candidate reviews for the second quarter of 2012, I am delighted to award you this Content Review Medal. - Dank (push to talk) 19:25, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
Nice reverts today. Good job! ‴ Teles «Talk ˱@ L C S˲» 03:47, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

...for the quick reverts of the baffling vandalism on Funtime. 28bytes (talk) 21:30, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

No problem, yes, that was quite odd. I wonder what people are thinking sometimes. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:31, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Hawaiian

Hi, sorry for the late reply, I don't keep track of wikipedia and I didn't realize all this time I had a message from 2 people. I also apologize if i'm not replying correctly, not sure how to edit these pages since I don't frequent the site regularly. In any case, the meaning of o ke ao ana kristiano to me refers to the Christian era, the time that christianity was introduced, while he olelo hoonaau seems to relate to encouraging or enlightening words. I'm not sure if that word should be hoonaauao, since olelo naauao would be a proverb and then hoonaauao would be the act of creating these proverbs, which is why to me it refers to enlightenment. Mamoahina (talk) 14:09, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

New Labour

Hi there Mark, I was wondering if you could look at (another) article of mine. I've been working on New Labour for a little while and would like to get it to GA standard; I don't usually work on political articles, so I'd appreciate you taking a look. Thanks. ItsZippy 20:24, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

tsk, tsk, "you taking a look" is a fused participle. Anyway, sure, I'll take a look at it. I don't follow British politics too closely, but it won't be completely foreign to me. Sounds interesting, actually. I see things are moving slowly at FAC, hope they pick up soon. That's the problem with writing about "dry" topics, I guess. You did a great job on that though, however the FAC turns out. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:34, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Oh no! Not the grammar! Anyway, thanks for doing this, I appreciate it. And you're right - getting anything remotely philosophical reviewed on Misplaced Pages takes an age (but I seem to enjoy it, despite the waiting). ItsZippy 20:50, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, there's something to that. I usually try to work on topics that I know will keep my interest, but in the past I've thought it would be an interesting challenge to work on Lapsarianism or the Governmental theory of atonement. Not sure I could push myself through all the necessary reading though. Marshall Applewhite has been a lot of reading, but that's interesting enough to me that I haven't gotten bored yet. I just have two more book chapters and one Newsweek article left to read on that project. (BTW, I have an open peer review on that article, if you're interested.) Mark Arsten (talk) 21:03, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
No article ever failed GA for having a fused participle :P Then again, this could change... --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:07, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I've seen some picky GA reviews lately, but that would take the cake. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:17, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Teamwork Barnstar
Thanks Mark Arsten! You helped in various ways on the Paul McCartney FAC. In addition to your fine suggestions you also offered outstanding recommendations for copyeditors. Thank you! Without your help McCartney would not be a FA today! ~ GabeMc 21:26, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Soegija

Thanks for taking the PR. I'm probably gonna put ? at FAC first, then Soegija... wonder when I'll have time for Oerip Soemohardjo or Sudirman... or Belenggu. Guess I should start co-nomming. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:11, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, just find someone to make 30 null edits in case someone checks the contributors edits tool :) Mark Arsten (talk) 00:17, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
  • That's a good question. I haven't worked on that one at all since it passed as a GA. To be honest, I started finding it somewhat boring, actually. Writing about UFO religions has been a lot more interesting. Who knows, maybe I'll get back to it sooner or later. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:39, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Yeah, that's a more interesting (and less controversial) topic. The only problem I see with Mr. Dragon's article (now, him himself... a lot more) is that there is little coverage of his post-KKK career. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:41, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I know of a couple small details between his retirement and death, but not too much. Well, maybe I'll take another shot at it. The UFO groups that I've been writing about have been pretty conflict free thus far, but there have been some real major New Religious Movement conflicts in the past. One must tread lightly, there are a couple articles I'd like to work on but will avoid due to the presence of POV pushers. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:49, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
I tried a Donal MacIntyre infiltration of our local Dianetics chapter; it went well for a time until my buddies decided to call and give them my real name and number. They are some terrifying people. GRAPPLE X 02:01, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
lol, wow, with friends like those, who needs Marcabian enemies? Mark Arsten (talk) 02:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
I live in fear of R2-45. GRAPPLE X 02:28, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
Don't worry, Xenu will protect you :) Mark Arsten (talk) 02:51, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

article request

Hi Mark,

Looks like its an article in an Italian (Vatican?) journal published by the Pontifical Gregorian University. I'm assuming from the title that the article is in English, but the journal publishes in Italian, German, Latin and French as well as English so it may not be. I should have it for you in a few days. GabrielF (talk) 20:42, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, glad to hear that you'll be able to get it, much appreciated. It's not an urgent request, but it has definitely piqued my curiosity. I saw that some chapters were in other languages, but let's hope the title is a good sign... Mark Arsten (talk) 20:52, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Some falafel for you!

Thanks for editing the De Clementia article :) Theophilus Wallace (talk) 01:37, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

July 2012 Study of authors of health-related Misplaced Pages pages

Dear Author/Mark Arsten

My name is Nuša Farič and I am a Health Psychology MSc student at the University College London (UCL). I am currently running a quantitative study entitled Who edits health-related Misplaced Pages pages and why? I am interested in the editorial experience of people who edit health-related Misplaced Pages pages. I am interested to learn more about the authors of health-related pages on Misplaced Pages and what motivations they have for doing so. I am currently contacting the authors of randomly selected articles and I noticed that someone at this address recently edited an article on Vacuatiner. I would like to ask you a few questions about you and your experience of editing the above mentioned article and or other health-related articles. If you would like more information about the project, please visit my user page (http://commons.wikimedia.org/User:Hydra_Rain) and if interested, please reply via my talk page or e-mail me on nusa.faric.11@ucl.ac.uk. Also, others interested in the study may contact me! If I do not hear back from you I will not contact this account again. Thank you very much in advance. Hydra Rain (talk) 13:07, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Interesting, but I believe you have made an error, I don't think I've ever edited our page on Vacuatiner (or Vacutainer). I've e-mailed you. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:17, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Commons category

So, what is not beneficial about pointing to the photos of the civil administrators? Your Reversion/Removal: Thank you for your interest in editing Misplaced Pages. Your edit on the page United States Civil Administration of the Ryukyu Islands was successful, but because it was not considered beneficial to the page, the edit has been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment with editing, please use the sandbox instead. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:10, 16 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.196.159 (talk) Also, according to Misplaced Pages: "It is generally against Misplaced Pages guidelines for one Misplaced Pages reader/editor to "target edits" by another Misplaced Pages reader/editor for the sole purpose of "reversing" or "undoing" those edits."

PR

I will be glad to look at it, but am pretty slow in reviewing things lately, so it may well be a week before I get to it. Ruhrfisch ><>° 20:07, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok, that's fine, things have been moving fairly slowly lately, I suspect that summer has something to do with it. Anyway, I'm sure I can keep myself occupied until then. Thanks! Mark Arsten (talk) 20:10, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Fuck off

I strongly suggest you fuck off. 94.8.106.255 (talk) 22:55, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice, I will give it careful consideration. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:56, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Help on improving article

Hi Mark Arsten, I have been contributing articles in Misplaced Pages since 2004, however, I locked my old account, as such I had to create a new, I saw your contributions for articles concernning biographies of living persons, will it be alright if I ask for you help on improving an article for Judy Ann Santos, I figured you don't have an idea of who she is, but I wanted to contribute in improving this article with a neutral point of view, i have already started with the lead, though the body/section headings need would need to be refurbished as it is mainly of fansite content. My aim is to have it tagged as one of the featured articles. Your inputs and help will be greatly appreciated Pseud 14 (talk) 07:39, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

  • I'm a bit curious as to why you decided to ask me? I contribute to very few BLPs these days other than reverting vandals. My best advice is to find the sources you want to use first, then rewrite the article section by section, then do the lead. There's not too much I could help you with at this point if the article needs a rewrite (which it might), finding good sources and developing a draft are good starting points. Working in a user sandbox is also a good idea. Since the lead is a summary, I think it's easier to summarize the article once it's been rewritten. After the rewrite you should submit it to WP:PR and WP:GOCE. Asking for help on a relevant wikiproject is also a good idea. There are some pretty active editors from the Philippines, so you should be able to get some good help. Good luck! Mark Arsten (talk) 15:55, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thank you for editing Yoo Ara Urville86 (talk) 13:12, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps...?

Hey, Mark. How are you? I'm working on Pedro I of Brazil. Astynax did me a great favor by copyediting the article, but I'd appreciate an extra pair of eyes to see if there is anything else wrong. I wonder if you could do it? In case you're willing, take your time. You can review from "Birth" up to "Endless crises". If you can't, due to time or lack of interest, don't worry and leave it. Regards, --Lecen (talk) 15:48, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi Lecen, sure, I'd love to help out. I'll try to make my way over there soon. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:54, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, Mark. I new I could count on you. Since you're not familiar with Brazilian history, please let me know if there is something in the text that doesn't make sense or isn't clear enough to someone who has no previous knowledge of the subject. I want to be sure that to understand the article no one will be required to have a PhD in Brazilian history. --Lecen (talk) 16:43, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Clarence 13X

Well, they're off to Borobudur with Mrs. Crisco and since I have work at 12, I didn't go. Done the review (as you clearly noticed). BTW, if we're to combat Triskaidekaphobia we should work on a much more "curvy" Thirteen. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:26, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Interesting, I think I saw a picture of that site recently. Looks quite interesting, as does that House character. Thanks for the FAC review, it's good to be back in the game. Hope you don't let the Chinese Indonesians thing get you down. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:54, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

RfA

I have no idea if you're interested (and I couldn't blame you if you weren't), but I thought I'd throw this out there. It's something you may want to consider. To be honest, perhaps I'm a poor one to be approaching you on the subject since I've become so jaded on it all - but the project /does/ need good administrators, and I have no doubt you could be one. (of the good ones that is). Your article work is impeccable, your common sense exceptionable, and your devotion to the project undeniable. I honestly think it is something you should think about. Chedzilla (talk) 06:17, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Is it ok to ask why you quit editing under your other name? Just curious. I think you'd be a wonderful admin. MathewTownsend (talk) 00:39, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, yeah, it's fine to ask. I guess I was editing Misplaced Pages one night and thought to myself, "I wish I could start over as a new user, knowing what I know now about the site", and then figured, "Hey, I actually can do that". Around the same time, some users I interacted a lot were blocked, so I didn't think many people would miss me. And I had just moved to a new state around the same time, so I was starting over in real life too, and that may have played a role. I guess it was a mix of things in the end. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:05, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Damn, I've always thought I'd like to nominate you for adminship, but it seems you have quite a following already. I'll certainly support any request you make. ItsZippy 17:47, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Well, I hope others feel the same way you do :) Mark Arsten (talk) 23:52, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Hey Mark, I don't often log into my adminy account these days, but thought this deserved that. I've added my nom statement. Feel free to answer the questions, and when you've decided to step into the fire - transclude at will. It's been a long LONG time since I nom'ed a RfA, so I hope I got it right. Best of luck to you. — Ched :  ?  21:35, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Good luck; I'm sure that you'll make a fantastic admin. Enjoy your week of restlessness and unease! ItsZippy 22:14, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I certainly hope the week passes quickly :) Mark Arsten (talk) 23:27, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
WOOF WOOF — Puppy of Dog The Teddy Bear • • 23:39, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
I !voted – fingers crossed for you :) Accedie 23:41, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks a ton! But, it looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking... Mark Arsten (talk) 23:43, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Oh, you'll be fine, clearly.
Btw, I see from your old user page that you're a Pynchon fan! I knew I liked you for a reason :D I have the Tristero horn tattooed on the inside of my forearm – been meaning to take a photo for Commons, because all the hand-drawn horns currently up there look really janky. If you ever want to tackle the graduate student PhD thesis mess (no offense to graduate students and their theses) that is The Crying of Lot 49, lemme know. I've tried, but I need reinforcements. Accedie 03:50, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
lol, I love the edit summary. That is awesome that you have that tattoo, very cool. I had forgotten about that userbox and had to comb through the page to see where I had mentioned Pyncheon. I recall reading that book as an undergraduate, it was quite the experience. Afterwards, I tried to read Gravity's Rainbow but quit about half-way through. I had thought about working on a Pyncheon or David Foster Wallace (another favorite of mine) related article in the past, but never got around to it. The Crying of Lot 49 would be a fun article to work on though, but yes, it would be tough. It probably would take a couple determined readers to wade through all the jstor articles. It would be a very interesting challenge though, I'll keep that in mind. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:12, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Y'know, I hadn't heard much about you before I saw your name at RfA, but I'm thinking you'll make a great administrator. If something bad happens in the RfA, just remember to keep your cool at all times – even when a candidate has a perfect edit history, one poorly-worded comment by them in their RfA can sink it. Keep up the excellent work! Ed  23:49, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, I appreciate the advice and compliments. I've been watching Rfas for a while, and kept thinking about the horror stories when I was submitting mine. I'll do my best to keep my cool whatever happens, hopefully it will all go well! Mark Arsten (talk) 04:12, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Luois Riel (comics) FAC

No problem at all. I'm just glad that someone's having a look. CüRlyTüRkeyContribs 22:36, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

BTW, you might want to ping Wehwalt about a review, he brought Macdonald's article to featured status. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:50, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll do that. CüRlyTüRkeyContribs 23:06, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Opinion

Could you opine on this this matter. Regards AdabowtheSecond (talk) 18:31, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

I could, but that seems like such a minor issue that I find it hard to care one way or another. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:17, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Could I have your opinion?

Hi there Mark; might I ask your opinion on something? I am looking to bring one nation conservatism to good article standard, but have hit somewhat of a mental brick wall. I was wondering if you could suggest what else I might add to the article. I was considering a section on key political figures, but that would just repeat what I've got in the history & political philosophy sections. I also though that a reception section might be a good idea, but the key challenges were from the New Right, who are mentioned in the history. Do you have any ideas? Thanks. ItsZippy 20:52, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I'll try to take a look at it soon. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:53, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

STOP SMOKING!!!!!

This is the BEST week for you to stop that nasty habit! GIT R DONE! WOOF WOOF !! — Puppy of Dog The Teddy Bear • • 23:44, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Nice doggy, nice doggy... Mark Arsten (talk) 23:50, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
My owner doesn't let me bite people, but since I'm a pup he lets me pee and poop all over people's talk pages. — Puppy of Dog The Teddy Bear • • 23:56, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Well, a little incontinence never killed anyone, did it? Mark Arsten (talk) 23:57, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
ROFL!!! But pups are SUPPOSED to do that sort of thing. PumpkinSky talk 00:00, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Puppy of Dog the Teddy Bear should see if he wants to visit User:Pesky's (That Pesky Commoner) animal sanctuary. Might be a good fit. Montanabw 02:38, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

*cough, cough*

never tempt people with red links ... LOL. Chedzilla (talk) 00:07, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

lol, that's a good point, WP:BEANS and all... Mark Arsten (talk) 00:33, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Did you know...

that you're not the only current RfA candidate with a drama llama? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:55, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

lol, yeah, I saw that just the other day, pretty funny. What a coincidence that was. The four current Rfas are a combined 374-1-1 right now, pretty funny how it's working out. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:22, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Peter Sellers

Dear Mark Arsten, I hope you don't mind the interruption, but I have recently sent Peter Sellers up for peer review. If you have any time or interest in the subject, I would be most indebted if you could have a look at the article and provide and comments or suggestions. It's not a problem if you are unable to comment. Many thanks - SchroCat (^ • @) 09:53, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

I'll probably be a bit busy this week, but I'll try to make some comments if I can find time. Good luck! Mark Arsten (talk) 18:09, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Mark, That's very good of you: thank you very much indeed! - SchroCat (^ • @) 18:14, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Ideas

Think you could bring this back to FA class? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:02, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

I probably could, with some help. There's always a lot of attention to Clarence Darrow. But, the first thing I would do is attack the popular culture section with a chainsaw... Mark Arsten (talk) 15:11, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Trevor Nelson

Thanks for battling against the disruptive editing at Trevor Nelson. Now semi-protected and one block handed out. Cheers. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 22:11, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

My pleasure! Mark Arsten (talk) 22:31, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Copyediting the Clitoris article

Hello, Mark Arsten. I noticed that you started copyediting this article not long after Malleus Fatuorum decided to quit copyediting it. Did you somehow see this discussion and decide to take over? Can we now consider you the new copyeditor of the article? I'm asking because the article is currently up for WP:GA status, and, well, you can see what the GA reviewer stated in that section on my talk page. Flyer22 (talk) 02:17, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I did see the situation there. I'm not sure if I'll have time to copyedit the whole article, but I'll try to get to it. (I'm not as skilled as Malleus though!) From the few paragraphs I've read, the article looks pretty close to GA quality prose. You also might want to ask MathewTownsend to take a look, he's pretty experienced with GA prose and such. Accedie is also a great copy editor, she would probably be willing to help if she has time too. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:24, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Okay. If you're not typically a copyeditor, that's fine. I'll probably have to get an editor who specializes in it, though (maybe one of your recommendations), per what GA reviewer SilkTork stated on my talk page. I'll talk it over with SilkTork via email. Flyer22 (talk) 02:29, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
I am somewhat of a regular copyeditor, I typically just do it when I'm reviewing an article though. I tend to work pretty slowly and make fairly light changes. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:32, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Mark, I notice that you use "very" in place of "significantly." I want to know if you have come across objections to using "very." I have, with people arguing that it is a WP:Weasel word. That's why I usually use "significantly" in place of it or some similar word that an editor would probably describe as weasel-wordish. Flyer22 (talk) 03:42, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Hmm, I suppose "very" should be used sparingly, although I haven't had anyone bring it up to me before. "Significantly painful" sounded odd to me though. Use your best judgment, I guess. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:06, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Also, in this edit, you removed "from." But since it is a quoted word, I was wondering if it should be removed, or do you consider it to be an obvious typo/grammar issue? Flyer22 (talk) 03:42, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
DOH, I didn't notice the quote there, my bad. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:06, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for the replies. The "very or significantly" matter is all about personal preference anyway. I would still be using "very" if I hadn't seen some editors object to it over the years. I was like, "How else can we convey that it's very if we don't use 'very'"? Because, you know, sometimes "very" needs to be used. That's when I came up with using "significantly" in place of it. As for the quote part, it's an understandable mistake. I'm there to help out. I've also contacted Accedie via email, per your suggestion. And I gotta say that I'm psyched that Accedie's female. I'd rather just have you two working on the copyediting, or just one of you. Looking over one editor's edits to help maintain accuracy is work enough. I can't handle more than two, LOL. Flyer22 (talk) 04:18, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
lol, yes, it does seem like a good idea to have another woman looking at the article (they're a minority on here, I gather). Yeah, it can be a real mess if you have two or three copyeditors working at the same time, and then try to pick and choose what to keep. Oh well, that's part of the fun, I guess. Do you think you'll try to bring this to FAC eventually? Mark Arsten (talk) 04:31, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
The "female editor on Misplaced Pages" is very much a rarity, according to Misplaced Pages discussions about it and reliable outside sources. Not to mention...personal experience.
Mark, WP:FA seems to be your speciality (spellcheck notes "speciality" as wrong, by the way; how annoying). But like I stated to Malleus Fatuorum on the article talk page, I'm hardly ever interested in getting an article to WP:FA. The reason is that I know how much more stressful the FA nomination process can be. A few or several editors wanting an article this way or that, too many debates going on at the same time. Not only have I participated in the FA process before, I've watched some FA nomination processes from time to time.
LOL, I know what you mean, Crisco 1492. Flyer22 (talk) 04:52, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

(Late to this party) Thanks for the invite! I'll be happy to take a turn at this in the next day or two. I mostly focus on boring stuff like comma usage and making sure the trains run on time prose reads smoothly; I leave the more sophisticated reference-checking and such for the experts. As for teh ladiez on teh Wikipedias, there may be fewer of us, but that just means we're that much more awesome :) Accedie 05:18, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Crisco, that is...yikes.
Accedie, very funny. And thank you so very much. Flyer22 (talk) 05:22, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for helping out Accedie! I'll try to get some more edits in on the page later today. About FAC, I think a lot of people are intimidated by its reputation. There are a few Ian Flemming and Paul McCartney like brouhahas, but you're more likely to have the opposite problem and wait a few weeks for any comments. Some argue that FAC is getting easier these days, as well. I think it's probably worth trying at least once or twice, for the experience. As long as you lean heavily on GA and skilled Peer reviewers, you'll probably have a good experience. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:31, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure the process is getting easier but I've definitely found my past few attempts to be a lot easier and less stressful than earlier attempts. I'd say it's well worth a try, at the very least it'll help you figure out your strengths and weaknesses in editing and allow you to focus your efforts accordingly. It's also luck of the draw sometimes whether you attract helpful comments from a good reviewer, languish for a while with nothing, or find someone who appears helpful but is simply unhappy with seeing the article promoted and will continue to find fault with it, all of which are possibilities you'll see time and again. GRAPPLE X 15:49, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Definitely, there are great reviewers and then there are people that make you pull your hair out. There are more of the former than the latter though. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:20, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
  • I've been watching this article for quite a while, since it was nominated at GA. But what's going on now? I hope you take it on, as I've had some contact now and then with Flyer22, always pleasant even if we disagreed, and it would be a shame if this massive work doesn't make GA. I can't see what Flyer22 has done wrong. And I'm not sure what the differing opinions are about. Is it all about prose issues? If so, I'd be willing to help out. MathewTownsend (talk) 18:09, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
    • Thanks, Mathew. I think the reviewer (who's doing a fine job, don't get me wrong) expressed concerns about the technical language and readability of the article. He mentioned that it was well written, but possibly not accessibly written for those without a solid background in anatomy. There was also a bit of a conflict involving Malleus and Trappist on the talk page, but that's somewhat tangential to the GA review, I think. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:20, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you all for your input, and especially you, Matthew, for the kind words. I feel the same about you. And I would certainly take you up on your offer to help out, but, as I stated above, "Looking over one editor's edits to help maintain accuracy is work enough. I can't handle more than two." Mark and Accedie have already pitched in, and therefore the copyediting of the article should be fine now. Not to mention...it's received a lot of copyediting already. But then again, since most of it has already been copyedited, it might not be that much more work to assess any changes made by you as well. Essentially, what happened to make Malleus quit is that he felt that every improvement he made to that article was being questioned, even though only a few of his edits were questioned, and, per my talk page, that I was perhaps trying to humiliate or patronize him. I assured him that I wasn't. Maybe my comment that there are perhaps editors who assess articles the way he does when they copyedit, combined with his frustration over his squabble with Trappist the monk (who largely deals with reference formatting on the article), is what made him quit. I'm not sure. As for the technical language, the GA reviewer -- SilkTork -- was generally referring to the lead, the Embryonic development section...and the General structure section. But it's been worked out. And like I stated, "The technical language is only used where it needs to be, and many other medical and/or anatomical articles, such as HIV/AIDS, use technical language (more than this article in the case of HIV/AIDS). And I understand about explaining terms that are not readily and/or easily understood; like I told SilkTork, I'm okay with that, especially if briefly explained in parentheses, as long as we aren't excessive with it, the article remains professional-sounding and the text's meaning isn't changed." Flyer22 (talk) 19:09, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

FAC for The Archaeology of Ritual and Magic

Many thanks Mark! (Midnightblueowl (talk) 18:26, 30 July 2012 (UTC))

My pleasure! Mark Arsten (talk) 18:27, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Unless you get voted off the island in the next hour, congratulations! Seriously, best RfA I've ever seen. Good luck! :) MJ94 (talk) 22:17, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the early congrats! This has gone much better than I had thought it would, I'm very thankful to the community for the way they've treated me. P.S. Say goodbye to the main page :) Mark Arsten (talk) 22:19, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Block Jimbo, block Jimbo! MJ94 (talk) 22:29, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
lol, I'll get right on that. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:30, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
HOOO YAAH!PumpkinSky talk 22:59, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Well done Mark Arsten! You are well-deserving of this responsibility! ~ GabeMc 23:28, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Congratulations Mark. Well deserved and a great day for WP. -- Cassianto 00:19, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Congratulations Mark. Well done!Tamsier (talk) 02:14, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Congratulations!! --j⚛e decker 07:34, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Just returning to your talk page to congratulate you. From what little interaction I've had with you thus far, and seeing what others have had to state about you, I'd definitely say that you are a great editor and deserved the promotion. Flyer22 (talk) 15:00, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the congrats, let me know if you ever need a protected template edited :) Mark Arsten (talk) 16:19, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Successful RFA

Your official uniform.

Hi Mark, I have closed your RFA as successful — you are now an administrator. Please consider the guidance at Misplaced Pages:New admin school, it'll keep you from ending up here. All the best, WilliamH (talk) 23:24, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Will be good times with you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:25, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

You know what to do, so get to work ;>

—Sincerely, Street-Legal Sockpuppet  Br'erRabbit this user is a sock puppet 00:10, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

I'd love to see a photo of somebody at wikimania actually wearing that crappy admin t shirt...♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:29, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

I'd like to see Jimbo dressed up like The Burger King. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:32, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Three cheers for passing RfA without so much as a scratch! Congrats, and may you steer the seekrit adminz cabal in the right direction ;) Accedie 23:39, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

A cheeseburger for you!

Because I know how much a cheeseburger goes well with a beer. I'm so glad you ran the gauntlet Mark, and I am not a bit surprised that you came through completely unscathed in the process. I see great things for this admin, and for the community he will serve so well. ~ GabeMc 23:43, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

In hoping you don't become one

It's protein!
Congrats on passing RFA with a better ratio than most current admins. Here's a devilled kidney... just don't become a devil!

Besides, you need more protein for the upcoming Huggle wars.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:03, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

a pie in your eye

a pie in your eye
Now I can go to sleep, assured that all is well, having complete trust in your judgment (mostly)! MathewTownsend (talk) 00:24, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks to everyone who has commented above or voted in my Rfa. I am honored by the trust the community has placed in me, and I'm thrilled to be able to explore a new part of the project. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:36, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Gratz Mark, glad you ran! - Dank (push to talk) 17:57, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

For passing RfA! Congratulations! Thine Antique Pen (public) 08:56, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
  • You know, it is really funny to see the tab on the main page instead of . If you click edit there's a big red message that says "Administrators! Yes, you!

Please be careful when editing the Main Page. ANY edit that resembles vandalism might be perceived as one made by a compromised sysop account, and you might be blocked and your privileges revoked." Mark Arsten (talk) 17:38, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

...now that Mary Nightingale is a real treat, I'd give her a cupcake or two if you catch my drift...♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:35, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

... I think I do. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:32, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Template:PREVIOUSMONTH.YEAR

Thanks for protecting this template. Would you mind protecting at least some of the templates linked in the See also section of its documentation? I didn't check all of them, but at least one other is heavily used, and by their nature they appear to be high-risk templates that will be used in lots of places. Nyttend backup (talk) 15:40, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I got them, thanks for the reminder. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:19, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

3RR

Thanks Mark.--Santos30 (talk) 00:00, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem, hope your discussion is fruitful. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:24, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

United States Post Office, Courthouse, and Federal Office Building

Wasn't that a redirect to United States Post Office, Courthouse, and Federal Office Building (Oklahoma City)? Marcus Qwertyus 06:12, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

No, it wasn't--it was a redirect to itself, actually. The text that I deleted was:
{{db-redirnone}}
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Was the Oklahoma building the intended target? Mark Arsten (talk) 06:18, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes. I'll just recreate it correctly. Marcus Qwertyus 06:24, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Ok, looks good now. Mark Arsten (talk) 06:29, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Nice to see you

Nice to bump into you adminning. ItsZippy 16:56, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

lol, that is funny, I EC'd with you on another entry too. Thus far I like being an admin, feels good to help out with more stuff. And I see that your religious language FAC is going well too, that's good to see. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:14, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm glad you are enjoying it; there are some really dull parts, but it is very rewarding. Anyone accused you of admin abuse yet? ;-) It's nice to see others helping out at RPP - that can get very backlogged, and they are rarely simple (I've spent hours dealing with protection requests before). The FAC is going well, yes - the comments have been useful, but I still get nervous with them. Still waiting on a GAN for New Labour... I don't know if you've forgotten or are just busy, but will you be able to look at & give advice on one nation conservatism soon (sorry if I'm being impatient). Thanks. ItsZippy 17:46, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
No admin abuse allegations yet, probably won't be long though... Yeah, it's funny how complicated things can get with that, sticking to the easy stuff to start, I guess. I haven't found time to look at one nation conservatism yet, but hopefully I'll be able to get to it soon. I didn't forget, just busy... and working slowly. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:36, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Amazing how you find time to edit wikipedia, being a news anchor and all..♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:28, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Applewhite...

Noticed Marshall Applewhite has been nominated for FA, do think it meets the criteria easily and I'll be happy to support. But is two sole nominations allowed on FAC or I take it you are a co-nom on Clarence 13X? Lemonade51 (talk) 17:24, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

You know, I really should have noted this on the FAC, I received an indulgence from GrahamColm last night to go ahead with two at a time. Good to know you're paying attention though :) Mark Arsten (talk) 17:26, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, thanks for the reviews on that one, that might have been the easiest FAC yet for me. Interesting about the portal idea, I hadn't thought of that. Clarence didn't start a UFO religion though, but he was a member of one at one point. The thought of a good or featured topic came to mind, but I'd need a central article for that, List of 20th Century American Founders of New Religious Movements might be too specific. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:00, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
However, Lafayette is already featured too. GRAPPLE X
Yes, and a fine one at that. There are two sub-articles (about his military career and early life) that are good articles. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:07, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Clarification Request

You closed Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/USS Kentucky (BB-66), but are we to interpret this as keep both articles as separate or merge and redirect? I am only asking because I want to be 100% sure as to the result of the afd before I make my next move, and I can not afford a delay or setback in the next phase of this plan do to the afd results being open to interpretation. TomStar81 (Talk) 15:58, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I guess I was unclear there, I've updated my close rationale. It seemed to me that there was a rough consensus to keep the articles, but the consensus against a merge was not as clear, so I think it would be acceptable to discuss a merge on editorial grounds. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:03, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Other MEGA International Pages

Hi Mark, I noticed that you deleted the MEGA International page. FYI there is also a russian and french copy: http://fr.wikipedia.org/MEGA_International http://ru.wikipedia.org/MEGA_International 64.62.244.53 (talk) 18:11, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Interesting, I suppose that could be brought up if someone takes the close to WP:DRV. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:24, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Peter Sellers

Hi Mark, the above is now at FAC as and when you can drop in. Your comments would be gratefully recieved. -- Cassianto 21:01, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Aright, I'll try to make it there soon. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:59, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Many thanks. -- Cassianto 21:01, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Mrt3366

Hi Mark, the user Mrt3366 has started an edit war in Kashmir Conflict and inspite of repeated requests and warnings, continues to push pov, undo edits and remove content. has edited the page dozens of times in the last couple days and has blatantly ignored warnings. Would appreciate.98.225.186.174 (talk) 03:06, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I'd like to help, but this is a controversial subject and I'm not sure I want to get involved. I recommend you ask Magog the Ogre; he has a lot of experience dealing with problematic behavior in the Indian/Pakistani conflict. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:13, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Admin's Barnstar
Thanks for your help over at László Csizsik-Csatáry with your semi-protection and RevDeletes. I'm also honored to give your first Administrator barnstar. Keep up the good work! -- Luke (Talk) 02:37, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Not to mention your first death threat and nazi accusation as an admin. Big night; if you're accused of being a nazi and a communist in one day there's an award. Acroterion (talk) 03:25, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
lol, very true, thanks :) Mark Arsten (talk) 03:26, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Brain

Can you restore the move-protection (sysop) to the article Brain? Thank you. Tbhotch. Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:33, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Done. Did I accidentally remove that the other day? I'm new at this stuff. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:37, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Gabrielle Douglas

Hi Mark. Can you please consider protecting Gabrielle Douglas. Now that Douglas has become the Olympic champion, there have been ongoing disruptive edits in the article. Many have been to change her nickname (in the lead and infobox) from the Flying Squirrel (which is fully sourced) to Flying Princess. It may be the same user using multiple accounts that keeps making this false change solely to be disruptive. There have also been a number of racist edits; some changing it to Flying Monkey, others with derogatory words about her race in the general content. Thanks! --76.189.114.163 (talk) 04:23, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

 Done, glad to help. In the future, posting on WP:RFPP might be a better idea, since I sometimes walk away from the computer for a while. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:26, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Wow, you're fast Mark. Haha. In fact, you got there so quickly I was unable to correct another disruptive edit to the nickname. Can you just change "Flying Squirrel" back to "Flying Squirrel" (bolded) in the lead? Thanks a lot. --76.189.114.163 (talk) 04:31, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
lol, that is funny, ok, done. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:33, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Another editor got in there and made lots of changes, including moving that entire nickname sentence out of the lead. I give up with that article. Haha. I tried my best. Thanks again, Mark. :) --76.189.114.163 (talk) 05:02, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Bianca Jade Wiki Page Deletion

Please help me understand why Bianca Jade is not a person of notability. She has devoted her life to helping women realize the importance of fitness and teaching them how to enjoy it in new and modern ways. I looked at all the comments by the editors who think she is 1) a trainer 2) not brought up on search results by Google 3) not mentioned by honorable publications or featured on news shows. All of this is wrong. Perhaps it's because I posted most of the links. Is that so wrong? This is not about press. This is about making resources available, and the fact that Bianca Jade of MizzFIT.com is listed on Misplaced Pages helps women get healthy, helps people learn about this health revolution that she and many other women like her are furthering. It's not about press it's about health, fitness, and living a happy life. I beg of you to please reconsider. I am sorry that I do not know much about Misplaced Pages but I have learned much contributing to this page, and continue to learn. Please do not penalize this page just because I am the one posting what I find about Bianca Jade. That is not fair and if you like, to preserve her page here on Wiki, I will never add to her page again. If that is what it takes, then so be it.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShanaScala (talk • contribs) 04:37, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you're upset by this, I realize a lot of editors feel badly when an article that they care about is deleted. My role in closing the deletion discussion as an administrator is not to judge whether the subject of the article is worthy of a Misplaced Pages page, but to judge the consensus among the participants in the discussion. Five of the six participants felt strongly that she did not meet our notability guideliness, so I see that as a strong consensus. For what it's worth, Ms. Jade seems like a great person, and I hope she's successful in her mission. It's possible that she will receive more coverage, at which point her page can be restored. Also, if you feel I have erred in my close of the discussion, you can open a review of the deletion at WP:DRV. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:46, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Mark, More coverage? While you were deleting her article, Mark, I was posting this: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/07/19/more-latinas-leveraging-digital-media-for-entrepreneurial-success/?vgnextrefres

And this: http://mizzfit.com/images/uploads/People-Style-Watch-Bianca-Jade-MizzFIT-press2012.jpg

One is link from fox news!!! The other is a evidence that she is currently quoted in PEOPLE MAGAZINE's People Style Watch which is sold in every drugstore in the country! I even noticed that you are working on Gabby Douglas's wiki page. Well Bianca Jade recently tweeted that she will be interviewing both Olympians Gabby Doublas and Dara Torres on her website. Not many journalists that aren't notable have that kind of access, do they? I hate to make this personal, but in light of the Olympics, please reconsider the deletion. Bianca Jade helps connect women with other inspirational women, to help them change their lives and get healthy. She's not an actress, she's not someone looking for fame, she seriously has commited to her life to fitness and making it a serious issue in women's lives. I can't stress this enough and I really beg of you to help keep her page up. Since I am basically a dummy when it comes to wikipedia, may I ask that you help me or guide me in the steps for opening a review of the deletion? This is a really important issue and it would be unfortunate in light of the Olympics that this page would be taken down. For god sakes, the first black female won best gymnast tonight. Why are you going to take down the page of the woman who is going to interview her? That just seems wrong to me. And I'd like to do something about it. Please help. I dont want to bother you endlessly about this but just because 5 people didn't like Bianca Jade's page and didn't even bother to google her is ridiculous. I wish you had waited a day before deleting the article because I was just adding the links above which I consider to be very relevant. I appreciate your response and help with this. I really do. THANK YOU.

--ShanaScala (talk) 05:04, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Mark,

I followed your suggestion and opened a review of the deletion. Thank you for your help and consideration on this matter. It means a lot to me and I hope you might realize it's importance. It is NOT a press page. Thank you.

--ShanaScala (talk) 05:28, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

==Deletion review for Bianca Jade

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Bianca Jade. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. ShanaScala (talk) 05:21, 3 August 2012 (UTC) ==

Deletion review for Bianca Jade

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Bianca Jade. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. ShanaScala (talk) 05:21, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of UK Singles Chart Christmas number twos

Uhhh what? Why was this closed two days early as 'no consensus'? The article should have been relisted to produce a clearer consensus. Now an important discussion over a questionable article has gone to waste, thanks. Till I Go Home 06:56, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, the discussion had been open for 12 days and had 12 people !vote on it, that's a lot more than most deletion discussions. It was a pretty even split, so I doubt a clear consensus would have emerged any time soon, note the third paragraph of WP:RELIST. Since it was a "no consensus" close, you can feel free to renominate fairly soon. Or even go to WP:DRV with it, if you think it was closed in error. Mark Arsten (talk) 07:15, 3 August 2012 (UTC)