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October 2012

=David Benowitz=== Seeking the assistance of the Article Rescue Squadron to determine whether a Misplaced Pages biography about attorney David Benowitz currently could be restored. Benowitz is now a lecturer in law at George Washington University, and having handled many high-profile cases that received ample coverage in regional media, Benowitz is routinely invited to appear on cable networks like MSNBC to provide legal analysis on nationally noteworthy cases. Now, to disclose, I have a conflict of interest regarding Benowitz, as I am a partner in the lawfirm. In 2010, Benowitz had become nationally visible for his work disputing the reliability of "breathalyzer" equipment used by police forces. So, our firm thought it was appropriate to see a Misplaced Pages article published about Benowitz. Not being familiar with the editing and publication process, we did what any business might do when they're not expert in an area of specialization -- we searched Google for a Misplaced Pages expert to handle the work. Finding one on a freelance consultant site, we were given assurances that their team of editors was compliant with Misplaced Pages policies, etc., so we hired them to help with a Benowitz biography. Within a short time, even before anything was published on Misplaced Pages, we found the interaction with the editor to be so strange and unprofessional that we could no longer engage with the firm we had hired, and we sought to terminate our relationship with the firm. Well, against our wishes, they went ahead anyway and published a malformed article about Benowitz, which was deleted in due time by User:Courcelles. After some months, we sought again to find a *better* author of Misplaced Pages articles, and having found one, engaged again in the middle of 2011 to publish a reliable, properly-sourced article about Benowitz. A version of that article is in my "sandbox" space (link) for your consideration. That article was eventually reviewed and determined to be worthy only of deletion. Considering that since that February 2012 deletion, Benowitz has been hired by George Washington University as a lecturer, and he handled the newsworthy case of Michael Poth (a U.S. Marine charged with second-degree murder of another Marine), I think it's quite possible that Benowitz passes Misplaced Pages's various notability requirements. Our firm has not paid anyone to make this request on our behalf, and we won't seek to pay anyone else for further editorial work on a David Benowitz biography. Having learned that paid editing is frowned upon, we're interested in engaging with Misplaced Pages according to its community standards. I'm asking the Article Rescue Squadron to take a look at whether a bio about David Benowitz could be passed through a "deletion review" process, with the added elements of notability conferred by the George Washington lecturer position and by the handling of the Michael Poth case. - Dogdaymorning (talk) 01:33, 3 October 2012 (UTC) ==September 2012

Blended learning

This seems to be the beginning of the end for AFD. Here we have an admin utterly failing to follow the proper process outlined at WP:BEFORE: no discussion on the talk page; no serious attempt to edit or even tag the article for improvement. No, he just brings the matter to AFD in the hope that a fairy godmother will do the work of improvement for him or otherwise it will all be destroyed. Now Kudpung is a mature and respected admin but he's just not playing by the rules here. I could rewrite the article in a trice myself - it would only take an hour to completely transform it and give it excellent references. But my reward for this effort would just be to have others bringing more poorly written articles to AFD so I think I'll go to bed instead. The rest of you can please take a look and see what you make of this sorry state of affairs. Warden (talk) 22:50, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Timeline of the Enron scandal

WP:BLPDELedted recently. There's an "AfD" of sorts on ANI. Someone could request that page be userfied and add the all important inline refs. Tijfo098 (talk) 06:25, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Huvrat ehl echeik

A village in Mauritania, which some doubt exists. The only online info found so far is from Google satellite photos and land photos on Panoramino. The main issue is the lack of any official name to the place on the Google map. Various names are found in the Panoramino photos, but they are somewhat consistent, e.g. "EL houvra". Perhaps this can be sorted out or more sources found? Tijfo098 (talk) 20:46, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for the listing. If we can verify its existence, it should stay, but it can be hard in cases like this one.--Milowent • hasspoken 15:28, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Captain Underpants and the Preposterous Plight of the Purple Potty People

An article up for deletion about a book that is part of a series of books. It has received some press coverage. Working on finding reliable sources with significant coverage; perhaps this WikiProject can help out! I've begun listing some sources at the article's talk page: Here. Haven't found any accessible (non-paywalled) articles with significant coverage yet, though. Northamerica1000(talk) 05:40, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Global Politician

A new media outlet having a significant number of citations in academic books. As it's usually the case with publishers and magazines/journals, it may be difficult to find coverage to meet the letter of WP:GNG. On the other hand, I think it meets the (more subjective) criteria at WP:NJournals based on citations alone. Finding lengthy independent coverage about the magazine is also rendered difficult by its use of a rather common phrase as title. Perhaps someone with more time on their hands can improve the article in the GNG direction? Tijfo098 (talk) 16:46, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Coolture

I think this is a notable company. My AT&T internet is currently flipping on and off randomly again, so its making searching for additional sources a bit difficult. I certainly didn't make the article as an advertisement, but someone tagged it for speedy deletion for being that. Some help finding addition sources covering it would be appreciated. I see mentions of them being one of four companies competing one year for a Pepsi grant, but it doesn't say anywhere who won that. They were tested at Buffalo University against others, and found to be the best. Dream Focus 10:16, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Its now at AFD Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Coolture Dream Focus 15:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Tenth Presbyterian Church

Tenth Presbyterian Church is a notable Evangelical Philadelphia congregation of the Presbyterian Church in America, founded 1829, with an architecturally important church building, 1856, designed by the same architect who did Philadelphia City Hall. --DThomsen8 (talk) 22:03, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved entries

Zoological conspiracy theories (Arab-Israeli conflict)

ResolvedThe Zoological conspiracy theories (Arab-Israeli conflict)‎ article was retained. Please feel free to continue improving the article.  – Northamerica1000 22:33, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

 Done Saved! Tijfo098 (talk) 15:22, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Because it is sourced from numerous press articles, some editors said this article is a WP:SYNThesis of primary sources. I was unable to find a general treatment of the topic in my google searches (or I wouldn't be asking here for help). Maybe someone here can find such sources and use them to improve the article. There are numerous books about conspiracy theories, and I have a feeling some of them may cover such material (from a wp:secondary perspective). But there is a lot of such material to go through for just one editor. Tijfo098 (talk) 13:27, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

If no such sources can be found, will you be changing your !vote to delete? This would seem to be the logic of your argument. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:51, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Possibly. In the mean-time, Dlv999 has found some sources--mostly opinion pieces--which discuss several of these events in the context of Arab politics. So, it isn't far fetched that more academic discussions exist as well. Tijfo098 (talk) 14:07, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Please note the actual basis of the nomination is about the article being little more than a collection of non-notable news events to conjure an article with a POV orientation. This is a WP:NOT consideration based on Misplaced Pages not being a place for indiscriminately collecting information or being a place to list fleeting news stories. You can conjure up plenty of ideas from press sources, but that doesn't mean it should be on Misplaced Pages.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 03:44, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

• The reasons for this being listed here are pretty tenuous at best. IRWolfie- (talk) 22:27, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

like you're the expert.--Milowent • 22:31, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

I think that response is up there with "I know you are, but what am I". If you have something to say to address my concerns that would be more constructive. IRWolfie- (talk) 10:27, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Milowent. GregJackP Boomer! 15:32, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

• Anyone can list any article they would like help finding references for to prove its notable. There is no reason to hassle them. Dream Focus 16:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

• Wrong. If notability is questionable, members of the ARS should be asked to investigate whether an article meets the criteria, not prove it. And as long as people persist in canvassing here, anyone can comment on the fact. The ARS don't own this page... AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:49, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

• Perhaps consider asking the poster to clarify their post for rescue consideration, if you're in disagreement with it. This is a public discussion board that anyone can post to, and members of this WikiProject have no control over who does so or what they write. Also, this post is honest and has integrity, in my opinion, and is not canvassing whatsoever. The poster hasn't asked anyone to !vote at the article's AfD discussion; they're asking for assistance in locating sources about a topic! Thank you for your consideration. Northamerica1000 06:05, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

• Let's just say that this is a highly controversial article that even admins shy from . Tijfo098 (talk) 06:33, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

LG Williams

ResolvedLG Williams was deleted.  – Northamerica1000 07:11, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

 Not done. Fell victim to Rosse action. Tijfo098 (talk) 06:28, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

An artist for which sources are confusing because he apparently engages in "performance art" by making sarcastically exaggerated claims about himself. The article has been the target of sockpuppeting from both supporters and detractors. More uninvolved editors are needed to sift through the sources. Please note that the article has been trimmed recently, so you may have to look in its history for more sources/content. Tijfo098 (talk) 13:12, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Clarent

ResolvedThe result of the AfD discussion was redirect to Excalibur/Arthur's other weapons.  – Northamerica1000 03:27, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Arthur's "sword of peace". An interesting aspect of the Matter of Britain which I'd not come across before. Warden (talk) 14:58, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Pizza cheese

The article may be relisted at AfD, or renominated, so improvements to the article would be conducive to retention of this article about this notable topic. A discussion about sources for the article, and an evaluation of them, is occurring on the article's talk page here. Northamerica1000 08:23, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

ARS is for improving articles, not stacking DRVs. Also, discussion on the article should just continue under "resolved entries" below, where it's been going all week pbp 17:31, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Whatever you say. Perhaps consider actually joining the WikiProject, per your strong interest in it! All editors are welcome to join. Thank you in advance for your consideration. Northamerica1000 17:53, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Have to agree. This is completely inconsistent with all that this wikiproject purports to be about. It is just unabashed canvassing.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 00:39, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Consensus time and again has proven it is not. But feel free to argue nonstop every chance you get for a few months before loosing interest and finding something else to do. That's usually how these things go. Dream Focus 01:12, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

• Asking for assistance to improve an article isn't asking for people to !vote whatsoever, and it never will be. Please read the Project's code of conduct in the upper right-hand corner of this page. Then, see also: Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Deletion sorting. Northamerica1000 02:26, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

• Oh please, DRVs are about addressing whether the close of an AfD was an appropriate gauge of consensus, procedure, and policy. The only reason to notify editors of the DRV is to get people to comment there. At any rate that should be dealt with on the ARS talk page.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 03:36, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

• Re: "The only reason..." – No. The article may be relisted at AfD, or renominated for deletion again. Improvements to it would be conducive to retention of the article. Please stop taking my posts entirely out of context, both here and elsewhere. The request is for improvements. Notification about the DRV discussion was procedural, because the article was previously listed on this board. See also: Freedom of information. Northamerica1000 05:09, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

I worked to improve the pizza cheese article--I found credible, legitimate sources that no one had bothered to unearth before. I saw them pooh-poohed with nary any attempt at legitimate analysis. I am sick and fucking tired of accusations against my integrity and will not stand for them. I do !vote to delete articles that merit it, I do not waste time on articles that will be deleted, and I work to improve articles that I find interesting when they merit it. This DRV is a joke and the close will be endorsed, and the editor bringing it to DRV will lose credibility. End of story.--Milowent • 03:05, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

• Where did anyone make accusations against your integrity?--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 03:36, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

• Also, when did my credibility come into play here? I'm not the one who called people advocating merger "Cheese jihadists". Milowent, you are taking this AfD and DRV way too personally pbp 04:04, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

I think it's about time for another RfC on the future of ARS. I thought I would give them the chance to improve when I proposed it some months ago, but they have if anything, gotten worse with the canvassing. IRWolfie- (talk) 10:13, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

• Now we are resorting to threats when an article escapes deletion and a chorus of editors at DRV asks what the purpose of the DRV is? (The last new editor noted "specious non-notability claims" of the AFD.) This is unacceptable.--Milowent • 12:37, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

• Do whatever you desire. Just don't blame me for the actions of others vis-a-vis as being the poster of the article here for rescue consideration, because of course, no editor has control over the actions of others whatsoever. My post was intended to request improvement to the article. The DRV notification was procedural because the article was previously listed at this board. Also notice how this article is listed at WikiProject Food and Drink in its Article alerts section: Diff page here (scroll down), (although the DRV is not). Perhaps a discussion should occur on this project's talk page about listing DRV's here. Northamerica1000 10:51, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

• People who don't get their way in an AFD, sometimes start making ridiculous accusations against the Article Rescue Squadron that have been refuted time and again. This is no different than any other WikiProject. Dream Focus 10:19, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

• I've started a new discussion thread titled "Linking Deletion reviews on the Rescue list" at this project's talk page. The discussion is located Here. Also, per concerns stated herein, I've removed the DRV link from my nomination at top. Northamerica1000 11:05, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Fundamental theorem of cyclic groups‎

ResolvedThe Fundamental theorem of cyclic groups‎ article was retained. Please feel free to continue improving the article.  – Northamerica1000 03:30, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Maths editors often don't have much clue about notability and it's interesting to engage with their alien approach to our articles and help provide a comprehensible lead. Warden (talk) 23:37, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Pizza cheese

ResolvedThe Pizza cheese article was retained. Please feel free to continue improving the article.  – Northamerica1000 18:56, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

An stub article nominated for deletion that needs improvements such as more sources and expansion. After some source searching the topic appears to be notable, which is why the article should be retained on Misplaced Pages. Northamerica1000 12:49, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

• Some sources that can be used to expand the article:

• Kindstedt, P.S. "Recent developments in the science and technology of pizza cheese". Australian journal of dairy technology. Retrieved September 27, 2012.
• Reinbold; ; et al. (April 18, 1978). "Preparation of Pizza Cheese". United States Patent and Trademark Office. Retrieved September 27, 2012. {{cite web}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |author= (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
• Quarne, E.L. (April 1968). "Recovery of Milk Solids in Direct Acidification and Traditional Procedures of Manufacturing Pizza Cheese". Volume 51, Issue 4. Journal of Dairy Science. pp. 527–530. Retrieved September 27, 2012.
• "Effect of incorporation of denatured whey proteins on chemical composition and functionality of pizza cheese". Australian journal of dairy technology. Retrieved September 27, 2012.
• Kindstedt, P. S.; ; et al. (1997). "Chemically-acidified pizza cheese production and functionality". Irish Republic, Dairy Products Research Centre ; Irish Republic, Univ. of Cork. Retrieved September 27, 2012. {{cite web}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |author= (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
• Additionally, Google Scholar has many articles directly about this topic. See this search.

—Northamerica1000 17:08, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

• This article can certainly be improved. I also emailed Kindstedt at the University of Vermont, one of the world's experts on pizza cheese, on the off chance we might get his participation.--Milowent • 17:35, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for taking the initiative to help improve the encyclopedia. Northamerica1000 18:00, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Why some discussions get populated with editors who don't want to understand the state of human knowledge on a subject astounds me. I think the prod on I Can't Believe It's Not Butter! earlier this year demonstrates a latent bias against imitation dairy products among our editorship.--Milowent • 18:23, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

This deletion discussion continues to get more idiotic. An editor claims pizza cheese doesn't exist, then it does exist, but isn't notable, then WP:GNG is just a rule of thumb that should be ignored here though nomination was due to lack of sourcing. Heels are digging in over a 10 year old article!--Milowent • 19:40, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Note that most of the editors not suggesting keep are suggesting a redirect or merge on the basis of the subject not being sufficiently independent of various other subjects such as pizza or cheese in general and those concerns should be addressed, not just the concerns of the nom.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 21:18, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

It's day one, DA, hopefully the misguided editors will be corrected by the end of the AfD.--Milowent • 22:30, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

• Sources were removed from the article, which are now listed in and being discussed at the article's talk page: Here. Northamerica1000 15:09, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

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