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Talk:Mayawati/GA1

Hi Dr.K., I noticed that you've made a lot of edits to Mayawati, so I thought I'd let you know that I've posted some comments on the GA review, if you're interested. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:42, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much Mark for the courtesy. I will check this out soon. Best regards. Δρ.Κ.  14:44, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

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WOW! Congratulations Dr. K !! HelenOfOz (talk) 16:44, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much Helen. If you need any Highbeam-related information let me know and I can locate the citations for you. Bye for now. Δρ.Κ.  17:53, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Very cool. Congrats, Dr. K! --Iamunknown 07:55, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much Iamunknown. How are you? I hope everything is well for you and yours. It is always very nice seeing you after such a long time. Take care. :) Δρ.Κ.  15:49, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Woo hoo! Enjoy HighBeam, Dr. K! It is extremely helpful(for me at least). Oh, did you know I was Iranian?? LOL. --Defensor Ursa 17:19, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Kansas Bear. I agree, it looks like a great research tool. And no, I didn't know you were Iranian, I actually thought you were from Kansas. So much for nicknames. :) Take care. Δρ.Κ.  18:19, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)

Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page.

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• Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
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• Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
• Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
• DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
• Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
• Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

--The Olive Branch 18:59, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Pc1985

The editor commented in the wrong section of the sockpuppet investigation page, but you probably should have moved his comment to the correct section rather than removing it entirely, because it was in effect an admission of guilt. --RL0919 (talk) 05:33, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Good point, but since it was laced with personal attacks and with the duck test being so obvious, I reverted them. However I will add them back just to add to the duck soup. Thank you for the suggestion. Δρ.Κ.  06:29, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for all of your "Randing" around, doing all of the hard work on this one. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 07:42, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

It wasn't that hard but thank you Jim. You worked as hard, if not harder, so thank you as well. Cheers. :) Δρ.Κ.  12:38, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Re: Consult - My Apologies

The post was supposed to be for User:TheDarkLordSeth, I just clicked the wrong talk page link and didn't realize I'd go to the wrong user. Again, my apologies, no offense intended. --Mike Cline (talk) 02:53, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

No problem Mike. Thank you for the clarification. All in a day's work for you as a busy admin I suppose. :) Apologies for my edit summary; I should have known. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  02:58, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Roy Orbison

Dr. K, I believe the info on the Roy Orbison page is incorrect. The last artist to have 2 albums in the top 5 at one time is Paul McCartney, May 1970 his McCartney LP and the Beatles Let it Be LP's were in the top 5 at the same week. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnboutet (talk • contribs) 21:46, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable reference to support your claim? Currently there is a reliable source in the article which supports another view. If you cannot find a reference to support your edit the current version must remain. References in Misplaced Pages are like money. You have it, your edits go places; you don't, then they are not accepted. And of course you are not allowed to print your own money, i.e. make-up your own references, they have to be from third-party, reliable sources, i.e. real money from a real bank. It is a simple system actually. Δρ.Κ.  00:02, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

(stalking) Thank you for what I think is the best analogy for WP:V that I have ever heard. :) Trusilver 00:44, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Lol. Thank you very much Trusilver for your kind words. It is a double bonus for me; receiving praise from an editor whom I deeply respect and seeing an old friend on my talkpage after such a long time. Take care and thanks again. :) Δρ.Κ.  00:57, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

The Beatles poll

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Dr. K-Pop

I just tore through a whole bunch of K-pop articles, trimming lists of members etc. I'm ready for a beer. Drmies (talk) 18:45, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Nice pun. Although I'm afraid "pop"=/= "beer". So you have to settle for a 7-up, Pepsi, Coke etc. :) Let me see what I can come up with. Δρ.Κ.  20:04, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Channel lineups in Misplaced Pages

I was going to ask your permission about mass deletion requests on channel lineups, like List of channels on Sky and List of Dish Network channels (United States). However, I realize the amount of channel lineups is heavy. Therefore, I've discussed this in WP:village pump (policy). I need strategies and plans first. --George Ho (talk) 09:49, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

You should follow Magog's advice on the subject and as Elen told you about Masem, you can check how his nomination of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of AT&T U-verse channels goes to gain some experience. Then you can add your own. But go slowly in the beginning. There is no rush. Δρ.Κ.  17:18, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Greek language question

I agree with all your revisions to , except one. Details on talk page. I'm a complete WP newbie, so please be nice to me! Meanwhile, I'll bear in mind that "References in WP are like money ..." :) --SteepLearningCurve (talk) 14:16, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm always nice, don't worry. Also since my money analogy is proving so popular I may have to display it more prominently somewhere. :) Thanks for the feedback. I'll see what you wrote at the talkpage. Best regards. Δρ.Κ.  14:46, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

File:Norm quote sound.ogg

Must I tag this audio file for deletion? It seems to be replaceable by one different quote. --George Ho (talk) 01:50, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

File:Hill Street Station illicit affair.jpg

This image fails WP:NFCC; may I tag it as FFD? --George Ho (talk) 01:51, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Whoops

Didn't mean to revert you — I thought the Edit Conflict screen was my own from hitting enter twice or something, as has happened to me. That said, is no wikilinks in references something new? I've see newspaper and magazines wikilinked in references for years. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:28, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Just checked at WP:VERIFY, WP:CITE and Help:Footnotes and couldn't offhand see any mention of wikilinks. It might very well be somewhere else that I haven't found yet, I know.--Tenebrae (talk) 20:33, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Don't worry Tenebrae. Please revert at will. You are on my editors' premium list, which gives you cart blanche to revert me at will. As far as wikilinks within references the rule is not to include them. But I am just not sure where the guideline lies. Must be in MOS somewhere. Alternatively just check an FA article or two for any signs of them inside refs. Δρ.Κ.  20:36, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I just checked at WP:OVERLINK and it seems they are not excluded from refs. But I still think that in practice they are not added to refs in general, but I could be wrong. Δρ.Κ.  20:43, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Doc. Thanks for going to the time and trouble to investigate. I'll take your suggestion re: FAs. And thank you, too, for the kind words. It genuinely means a lot to hear this from a peer. With warm regards, --Tenebrae (talk) 00:29, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

It is always a pleasure talking to you Tenebrae. :) Thank you for the update and your kind words. You are always welcome here. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  00:33, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Re AGF

I never implied you were acting in bad faith, but that you're not handling this as well as possible. At no point was he welcomed, at no point has anyone attempted to summarize and explain site policies guidelines to him... All who have interacted with him so far are partly responsible for his behavior. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:25, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorry but I did advise him/her. I told him that accusing editors of being members of the royal family is not allowed and explained to him NPA and AGF. I then got this reply:

So you wouldn't agree that writing about a member of one's own family in relation to controversial matters would strain objectivity? Do you jump up and down when people make blanket assumptions about communists or neo-nazis, which happens all the time, and in far less justifiable circumstances? I think you are trying to bully me.

My advice obviously was not accepted and I got rudely attacked in return. So much for trying to advise a "newbie". However he knew enough to file WP:3O in no time, showing familiarity with our policies, and alleging that his reference to the members of the royal family was in jest. His reply to me as shown above shows no sign or mention of any "jest". Meanwhile he has done this before: where he accuses other editors of being communists or right-wingers. This I saw before I advised him/her of AGF and NPA at Talk:Frederica of Hanover. Δρ.Κ.  21:35, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Again, it's hard to take the family bit seriously. That he went to WP:3O only indicates he was looking for some sort of moderation, and is an indication that he didn't know where WP:DR is. Unless you have other evidence that he's a sockpuppet or something, we can only assume that he stumbled across the page looking for help. The other comment was before anyone tried to explain any guidelines and policies to him. At any rate, I left a fuller explanation of different policies and guidelines on his talk page (instead of a reprimand on the article talk page), so I'm leaving this. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:47, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Fine. I have no quarrel with you Ian and I respect your opinion although I disagree. IMO the royal family mention was a WP:BLP violation even if it were intended as a joke. In addition his/her previous edit at Talk:Communist Party of Greece where s/he makes a blanket accusation that the editors are communist party members or right-wingers shows a propensity to attack other editors. Newbie indeed. On a more philosophical point, I believe that the issue is not about being a newbie or not. It is about being considerate of other people and respecting others--period. In other words, if you naturally respect people you are not ever going to make nasty, presumptuous or smart-ass comments about other people, people you don't even know, newbie or no newbie. IMO, being a newbie does not give you a free-pass, or justification, for showing disrespect for other people or throwing epithets at them. It is rather a matter of character. Δρ.Κ.  22:05, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

May I kindly request to be left out of controversies regarding the former royal family and other persons I have no knowledge of and no opinion on (see the sockpuppetry case you brought against me, alleging that I'm a sockpuppet of User:SentientContrarian and User:Bougatsa42)? I understand that you are having a disagreement with User:Bougatsa42. Please leave me out of it. I don't know who he (or she) is, I can't pass an opinion on his (or her) actions even though I have come across him (or her) on the Meligalas article. I may have agreed with him (or other persons) on one matter or two. That doesn't mean I agree with them on everything else, much less that I'm the same person as them. Also, I would like to make another request, if it's not too much: you have alleged that my opinions on my profile page are in reference and/or allusion to a certain Takis Fotopoulos. I don't know this person and can't say I'm for or against him, because I don't know what he stands for and what he does; and I don't even know what caused the controversy between his supporters and other users, neither am I interested in it. I'm not interested in controversies regarding a person whose ideas and actions I don't know at all; and I'm even less interested in being connected, especially without my knowledge, with such controversies. Additionally, I think that a look at my user contributions will help you see that what I wrote was inspired by my involvement in the Saint-Gobain article and what I read on its talk page. In a nutshell: I don't know any of the users you allege I am. From what I gather, they're either living in Greece or are Greeks living abroad. I'm not them. Please leave me out of any disagreement you might have with them. If you disagree with a certain action of mine on Misplaced Pages, please be so kind and talk to me about it and tell me what you think first. I don't remember coming across you in any of the numerous contributions I've made to Misplaced Pages and I don't remember having had any previous discussion or disagreement with you. If you disagree with something I've done or you think I did something wrong, please let me know and please, leave me out of any disagreements you may have with other Wikipedians, especially on issues and articles about which I know nothing about and have no opinion on. Thank you very much. Moderatelyaverage (talk) 20:33, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

I wish it were that easy. But now the situation is out of my hands, until this investigation concludes and the CU checks the data. I added a question for you at the SPI page. Regardless, I am sorry it turned out this way. Δρ.Κ.  20:51, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Your apology came too late. I'm not sure you handled this issue properly. You could have contacted me and asked where I stand. You didn't. What you did was involve me in a case that I'm not interested in, simply because there was a disagreement between you and another Wikipedian, whom I don't know at all. And again: I don't know who Takis Fotopoulos is. Only today did I hear about him and it was because of the sockpuppetry case you brought. Moderatelyaverage (talk) 20:55, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

I have nothing to apologise for. Opening a sockpuppet investigation is not something that you need to apologise for because if there is disruptive editing there must be an investigation. The checkuser then determines if the allegations are correct or not. I just saw that you were uncomfortable and I sympathised with that. Ergo my saying sorry. I never met you before, I just met your edits and they led me to this investigation. That doesn't mean I am insensitive to your plight. Δρ.Κ.  21:02, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Until today, I was minding my own business, happily correcting typos and syntax errors (like every copyeditor does) while idly surfing where curiosity led me, as well as contributing in the Golden Dawn (Greece) article, assisting (and learning from) User:RJFF and other, more seasoned wikipedians. Now, it is an investigation instigated by you because of a disagreement you had with someone else that has caused me this plight. OK now. Let's assume that the CU determines one of the IP addresses I might have used shares some digits with offending users I have no relationship or affiliation with. Then what? Oh, not to mention that you came across my edits, but never bothered to come to my talk page and ask me about them. Did you see that userbox on my page? It says "This user tries to do the right thing. If they make a mistake, please let them know." Did you leave me any feedback? No. Did you tell me about your concerns? No. I'm going to put this reply of mine on the investigation page's comments, just for the record. Moderatelyaverage (talk) 21:11, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't think you understand how this thing works. Contrary to what you say I opened this SPI investigation because of the overlapping edits between the three accounts, not as you falsely accuse me, out of any disagreement I had with one of the accounts. Don't forget, noone likes to be proven wrong. Therefore if I had the slightest doubt that any of the accounts under investigation was incorrectly connected I would not have proposed it. Δρ.Κ.  21:20, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Exactly. You assumed that the accounts are connected in some way. I don't know what your exchange with Bougatsa42 was. My complaint is that you didn't contact me first. You shot first and now you ask questions. 21:29, 1 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moderatelyaverage (talk • contribs)

Please stop misreading my comments. I am not asking any questions. The investigation is now in the hands of the admins. The SPI started and proceeded exactly as every other SPI and now it is awaiting administration and checkuser results. That's all. I would therefore ask you to stop these annoying messages here which serve no purpose. Thank you. Δρ.Κ.  21:36, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Chiapas Conflict

I used the pages from Spanish Misplaced Pages articles that are more developed: there are pages for a different number of clashes during the Conflict with a different number of causalities for parts: i've looked the different pages and counted what reported there. Being spanish the primary language of mexico and being the spanish wiki about Chiapas more detailed, i was thinking that what reported there was more correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reditalianwolf (talk • contribs) 09:11, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

You must have references. Other Wikipedias are not valid sources. Δρ.Κ.  17:06, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Sigh

Sounds like you are at the end of your rope with anon IP 108 over at the Xenophon article. Don't fret, I made the mistake of engaging with this user on the user talk page and it's clear that s/he appears to have an overinflated view of his/her own abilities, talents, education and importance, possibly bordering on the inaccurate, though I won't guess about motive, using what little AGF I still have. I won't speculate further, but it seems that WP:DFTT is probably the best approach. Hang in there! Montanabw 04:51, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

The less this is talked about the better it is. I'm not sure, for once, what acronym applies here but even if I knew it I wouldn't want to reveal it. Δρ.Κ.  07:25, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

One I can think of is LOL. You are probably right. Montanabw 16:27, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Nice description

Martin Wolf describes the ECB as a "reincarnated Bundesbank". ColaXtra (talk) 23:45, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Cola. No surprises here. Δρ.Κ.  04:09, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Talk:tyfrazier

i made changes to the talk section of ethnicity of Barack Obama as you have suggested, thanks for the suggestion on how to proceed http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Family_of_Barack_Obama — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyfrazier (talk • contribs) 19:32, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. I already replied there. Δρ.Κ.  23:25, 13 October 2012 (UTC)