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October 2012

Suicide of Amanda Todd

I don't always share the opinions of this group (somewhere around 50% of the time perhaps), but I thought I'd bring this one up here. It's already getting a lot of attention, and it's leaning toward keep at this point. I usually !vote delete for newsy sorts of articles, but I don't believe that guideline is appropriate in this case. OhNoitsJamie 15:21, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

What a horrible event, I had not read about it before. As for the AfD, people should stop wasting their time, and its already clear the outcome will be no consensus or keep. Anyone can renominate in a few months when things calm down and we can more rationally assess.--Milowent • 04:58, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

{{cite quick}}

This is at TfD - an interesting change of scene. I'd not come across this citation template before and editors here, who specialise in adding citations, may well be interested in the technical issues. Warden (talk) 12:33, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't suppose you could enlighten us as to how you expect the ARS to improve a template? Or are you just here to canvas? AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:40, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Templates are edited in a similar way to other pages and so someone reading this may be able to improve it in some way. It certainly seems that there's some scope for technical improvement here and just reading the discussion is informative, I find. Warden (talk) 12:50, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Bullshit. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:52, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

• Templates are often mentioned on relevant Wikiprojects. This project involves improving articles and finding references. So this particular template is somewhat relevant. Dream Focus 13:09, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

More bullshit. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:12, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Well Andy, you really live up to your name. Stop being so grumpy, and go and respond to my post there. Did I not make a valid reason to keep the template, and just not use it until it was fixed and properly tested? Dream Focus 13:23, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

And how are you proposing we do that? AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:36, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

You put a message at the top its only for test purposes right now, and not to use it in any article until it gets approval. Dream Focus 13:39, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

And how does that stop it being used anyway? The correct way to disable a template is to move it out of mainspace. It should never have been deployed at all in its present state. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:58, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

For the benefit of ARS members who wish to take up Warden's suggestion that they help with 'technical improvement', Here is the source code:

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--====================================================================
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--07Aug12 Put 3x faster gated-if "{accessdate|{page|{publisher|{location...".
--08Aug12 Changed when author to show "({date})" after name.
--08Aug12 Changed to always check archiveurl, in gated-if after page#.
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--09Sep12 Changed to check {date} from 4x to only 2x, after author/location.
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--09Sep12 Put null "<nowiki/>" to omit &#32 or <b/> markers.
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--06Oct12 Moved rare "quote=" under accessdate, with ". " before quote.
--07Oct12 Changed to handle if-journal for volume/issue/number.
--07Oct12 Added parameter {format}, checked only as gated under {title}.
--09Oct12 Added {coauthors} as alternative for {last2} else {author2}.
--09Oct12 Checks {last} before {author}, to avoid "author=" as no author.
--13Oct12 Changed to show {agency} before location, if any.
--13Oct12 Changed to show editor name with ", ed.".
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Good luck... AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:47, 14 October 2012 (UTC) (Oops, I seem to have lost the line breaks in the source. Still, I'm sure ARS members know how to access template source code... AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:49, 14 October 2012 (UTC))

I have collapsed the template-markup display, and also put the "<pre>" tag to retain the indentation of the markup. -Wikid77 (talk) 16:06, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

...which then hides the source code once again - how many ARS members are there that know how to code templates? AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:25, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

• Most experienced editors will edit templates to some extent, I suppose. Analysing our edits, for example, I have edited a template 71 times; Dream Focus has edited a template 57 times; and AndyTheGrump has edited a template 8 times. Warden (talk) 10:37, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Do you actually have a clue what you are writing about, Warden? This isn't about 'editing a template' - it is about template source code. The code was broken. It had obviously never been tested properly, and should not have been deployed in Misplaced Pages mainspace. 'Anyone can edit' doesn't mean 'anyone can add untested template code without approval, and against consensus'. Your obvious lack of understanding regarding the template clearly demonstrates once more why this technical issue should never have been raised here in the first place - problems with template source code are way outside the ARS scope. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:13, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• No; template creation is not a restricted function and so it is open to anyone, just like article creation. The technical aspects just require ordinary computer literacy and any experienced editor who is comfortable with Wiki markup should be able to work in this area too. The main issues in this area seem to be more human ones of not-invented-here and punctuation pedantry. Warden (talk) 12:57, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• Are you suggesting that ARS members should 'rescue' Wikid77's template code by modifying it? AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:07, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• Comment: I agree with the general gist of Gump's comment that this is article rescue squadron, not template rescue squadron, and this is probably a misuse of the ARS pbp 15:17, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Well, Template:Cite_quick was used to quickly rescue 9-time featured article "Barack Obama" from exceeding the template include-size limit and crashing halfway down, so if the template is deleted, then the Obama article needs to be massively rewritten to fit within template limits. So "rescue" one or the other. -Wikid77 (talk) 16:06, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
    • Are you asking ARS to help you writing the template code? AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:22, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
• Thanks to Wikid77 for ably demonstrating that our readership is competent in this area. For my part, I have tested the template in a new article that I wrote today. I found a minor issue and have started discussion about this on the template's talk page. "Those who can, do ...". Warden (talk) 17:39, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
• if people have a problem about this being on the rescue list instead of our talk page, because its still a matter of interest to our group, suggest it be moved.--Milowent • 23:01, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
  • How exactly is template source code of interest to ARS? AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:16, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• Warden, I asked you nicely to use the rescue list template when you add an article for rescue. Why is that difficult? IRWolfie- (talk) 13:27, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Half-a-dozen font lists

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Samples of sans serif typefaces. The argument is apparently that including font samples in this these lists of notable fonts makes them unsuitable for Misplaced Pages. Perhaps these lists can be improved? There's varying quality in these lists. A couple of them look like they could use some clean-up work. Tijfo098 (talk) 03:20, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I worked on some of these articles some months ago, and I will take a look. These articles are useful for word document editors and webmasters, but of course "useful" is not a criteria for retention. If the quality needs improvement, that is hardly a reason for deletion. --DThomsen8 (talk) 20:31, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Damn Vulnerable Linux

"Damn Vulnerable Linux (DVL) was a distribution of GNU/Linux geared toward computer security students." This distribution of Linux is obviously useful to computer science students, and was listed for PROD, which I removed and stated my objection. Unfortunately, useful is not a good reason for retention in Misplaced Pages, and this software article does not yet have any reliable sources. I hope that we can provide at least one reliable source. --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:57, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

My Highbeam account shows nothing, but Google news archive has results. Most of them aren't in English. Working at this now. Dream Focus 17:22, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

• It is now at AFD. Dream Focus 23:42, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Daco-Roman

Same situation as highlighted about the Thraco-Roman article below. We need unbiased editors to salvage it. Even though it is not proposed for deletion, the article is "under siege". Thanks. --Codrin.B (talk) 14:31, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

I think you should report issues like this to WP:NPOV/N or to relevant WikiProjects, but not here. Tijfo098 (talk) 23:50, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Top Third Ventures

Top Third Ventures is an environmentally friendly business in Kenya, but the article suffers from having been written by someone with a conflict of interest. Another editor and I have made some contributions. The article was tagged for deletion, but I removed the speedy deletion notice and said that I objected to deletion. Perhaps an AfD will follow. Please help, especially by changing the overly promotional tone of the article. --DThomsen8 (talk) 18:27, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Thraco-Roman

There have been several attempts to fully remove and redirect this article, by a user trying to push radical POVs/revisionism at any price. We need your help to better source and structure it. The Thraco-Roman concept is notable, parts of the article are sourced, it has versions in 6 languages and tons of articles link to it. Thanks.--Codrin.B (talk) 09:22, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• Quick note: This is not currently at AfD. But do we need more unbiased editors dealing with the baloney slung by editors in this area of the world (former Yugoslavia through Greece)? Definitely.--Milowent • 15:27, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Agreed--Codrin.B (talk) 14:29, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

It's not the purpose of this list to notify people about discussions. It's about article improvement. IRWolfie- (talk) 16:34, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Indeed. That article definitely needs improvement. Can you spare a few hours on it?--Milowent • 16:40, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Hayden Wayne

Not sure if this one can even be saved, but thought I'd see if it could before sending it off to Afd. This seems to be a marginally (or non) notable BLP, written as a bit of a hagiography. I can't seem to find any sources which are not the subject, but there should be, somewhere. Not knowing all that much about the music industry, I don't even know where to begin looking. KillerChihuahua 20:11, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, one of the links provided in the article appears to be an interview with WNIB, a Chicago classical music station. There are some reviews of his music on highbeam: . There are also a few articles that mention him: . I also noticed a few other trivial mentions here and there, but I don't know if any of this really adds up to notability.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 22:42, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

thanks, TDA - Your assistance with this article would be much appreciated. KillerChihuahua 09:11, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't have access to highbeam articles so I think it is better to find someone who does.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 15:31, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

• This isn't at AFD, but from what I see, his notability is arguably marginal. There's certainly enough to satisfy WP:V and avoid BLP concerns as a result.--Milowent • 15:57, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

David Benowitz

Seeking the assistance of the Article Rescue Squadron to determine whether a Misplaced Pages biography about attorney David Benowitz currently could be restored. Benowitz is now a lecturer in law at George Washington University, and having handled many high-profile cases that received ample coverage in regional media, Benowitz is routinely invited to appear on cable networks like MSNBC to provide legal analysis on nationally noteworthy cases. Now, to disclose, I have a conflict of interest regarding Benowitz, as I am a partner in the lawfirm. In 2010, Benowitz had become nationally visible for his work disputing the reliability of "breathalyzer" equipment used by police forces. So, our firm thought it was appropriate to see a Misplaced Pages article published about Benowitz. Not being familiar with the editing and publication process, we did what any business might do when they're not expert in an area of specialization -- we searched Google for a Misplaced Pages expert to handle the work. Finding one on a freelance consultant site, we were given assurances that their team of editors was compliant with Misplaced Pages policies, etc., so we hired them to help with a Benowitz biography. Within a short time, even before anything was published on Misplaced Pages, we found the interaction with the editor to be so strange and unprofessional that we could no longer engage with the firm we had hired, and we sought to terminate our relationship with the firm. Well, against our wishes, they went ahead anyway and published a malformed article about Benowitz, which was deleted in due time by User:Courcelles. After some months, we sought again to find a *better* author of Misplaced Pages articles, and having found one, engaged again in the middle of 2011 to publish a reliable, properly-sourced article about Benowitz. A version of that article is in my "sandbox" space (link) for your consideration. That article was eventually reviewed and determined to be worthy only of deletion. Considering that since that February 2012 deletion, Benowitz has been hired by George Washington University as a lecturer, and he handled the newsworthy case of Michael Poth (a U.S. Marine charged with second-degree murder of another Marine), I think it's quite possible that Benowitz passes Misplaced Pages's various notability requirements. Our firm has not paid anyone to make this request on our behalf, and we won't seek to pay anyone else for further editorial work on a David Benowitz biography. Having learned that paid editing is frowned upon, we're interested in engaging with Misplaced Pages according to its community standards. I'm asking the Article Rescue Squadron to take a look at whether a bio about David Benowitz could be passed through a "deletion review" process, with the added elements of notability conferred by the George Washington lecturer position and by the handling of the Michael Poth case. - Dogdaymorning (talk) 01:33, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for asking for our input. Unfortunately, however, I think the AFD at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/David Benowitz got it right. Technically, a deletion review or DRV would only be appropriate if the AfD close was incorrect, but here the consensus in the deletion discussion was clearly in favor of delete, so the administrator closing the debate properly deleted it. As to whether a proper article could be recreated, I'd say probably not. There are many top notch attorneys in the United States, but you'll note that few of them have Misplaced Pages articles about themselves. Its the same with most professionals. Most law school professors do not merit articles, to say nothing of lecturers. There are no biographical profiles from independent reliable sources about David, and press mentions in the context of commenting on his own cases or legal stories in the news are not sufficient. Not to say you can't find examples on wikipedia where no on has noticed an attorney is not notable, e.g., Benjamin Crump, one of Trayvon Martin's attorneys, may not be notable, and his coverage far exceeds Benowitz.--Milowent • 03:25, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
  • When you added your request Dogdaymorning, you decided to also remove information from the signatures of myself, Milowent, and Northamerica1000. Please don't do that again. Dream Focus 09:38, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Timeline of the Enron scandal

WP:BLPDELedted recently. There's an "AfD" of sorts on ANI. Someone could request that page be userfied and add the all important inline refs. Tijfo098 (talk) 06:25, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I've received the content by email, and am working on improving it. LegoKTM 02:10, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• Where was the discussion for its deletion at? Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Timeline of the Enron scandal shows up blank. Dream Focus 03:07, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
  • There was no prior discussion. It was deleted under the supreme authority invested in administrators by WP:BLPDEL. Tijfo098 (talk) 18:11, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved entries

Zeitgeist

ResolvedZeitgeist was retained. Please feel free to continue improving the article.  – Northamerica1000 23:20, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

This article is a good explanation of the term and its origin, but there is objection to it as being merely a dictionary definition. Surely more can be said about it, and more inline citations should be easy to add. --DThomsen8 (talk) 20:31, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

• lol, look how many wikis have an article on this. boggle the mind that someone would send this to AFD instead of just improving it if it bothered them.--Milowent • 23:03, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
• I'm generally on the deletionist side of things (flag-carrying cheese jihadist), but I even think this is a pretty short-sided AfD pbp 23:48, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Crittercism

ResolvedCrittercism was retained. Please feel free to continue improving the article.  – Northamerica1000 23:05, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

This looks like a typical tech start-up which has received some coverage in WSJ and a few tech sources. The argument for deletion is that the article is "spam by stealth" or "stealth spam". I'm not sure how to improve the article to dispute that theory. Perhaps someone here has more experience with such articles? Tijfo098 (talk) 19:00, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Coolture

ResolvedCoolture was deleted. --Milowent • 15:48, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

I think this is a notable company. My AT&T internet is currently flipping on and off randomly again, so its making searching for additional sources a bit difficult. I certainly didn't make the article as an advertisement, but someone tagged it for speedy deletion for being that. Some help finding addition sources covering it would be appreciated. I see mentions of them being one of four companies competing one year for a Pepsi grant, but it doesn't say anywhere who won that. They were tested at Buffalo University against others, and found to be the best. Dream Focus 10:16, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Its now at AFD Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Coolture Dream Focus 15:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

It has been relisted. I added references and worked on it. Not many people have commented there. Dream Focus 09:30, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

This has been deleted. I am glad it got more attention than it otherwise would have, since it was nominated at AfD for lack of notability, but I had concluded there was not much I could do with it.--Milowent • 15:48, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Bangladeshi political families

ResolvedBangladeshi political families was deleted.  – pbp 15:22, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Seems likely to be easy to improve. Warden (talk) 15:18, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Many others to use as an example. Category:Political families by country Dream Focus 18:58, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Unlikely to improve without locally knowledgeable and reliable source with vandal-proof permanent semi protection. Thanks 82.73.35.159 (talk) 01:07, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, finding "locally knowledgeable and reliable sources" looks difficult here. Its too bad, as it seems such an article could be maintained if we could find editors with expertise in the area. We can't do it all. AfD rarely brings out such editors, it generally invites some editors pre-disposed to favor deletion over improvement. Such is the nature of the beast.--Milowent • 22:14, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

HD DrawHackensack Drawbridge

ResolvedHackensack Drawbridge was retained. Please feel free to continue improving the article.  – Northamerica1000 14:52, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

HD Draw is an article about a New Jersey railroad bridge. There are already many articles about railroad bridges, and I think this one is just as notable as the rest. --DThomsen8 (talk) 01:25, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

This is now a very well documented article with 13 inline citations and five other sources, with explanations of its significance and demise by a collision with a coal steamer in 1946. There are many railroad buffs who want the history of railroads documented, and this is part of that history. --DThomsen8 (talk) 10:47, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

• The new version is a complete overhaul from the nomination. At first glance, I feared this article would get quickly deleted.--Milowent • 20:58, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

This article has been transformed by ARS editors, and there should be no fear of deletion. Thank you for all your good work, ARS and other editors. --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:57, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Confluenze

ResolvedConfluenze was retained. Please feel free to continue improving the article.  – Northamerica1000 14:51, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

An article about an academic journal that appears to have WP:POTENTIAL for a Misplaced Pages article. A unique article that needs improvement. Northamerica1000 11:08, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

I noted that this AfD did not draw any delete votes. The discussion noted some potential weaknesses, but the result seems correct.--Milowent • 15:50, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Fiesta Nightclub (Sheffield)

ResolvedFiesta Nightclub (Sheffield) was retained. Please feel free to continue improving the article.  – Northamerica1000 14:48, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

An article about a former notable nightclub in Sheffield, England. Nightclubs are quite popular in many societies. While seemingly unlikely to be deleted per the plethora of reliable sources available about the topic, this stub article would surely benefit from expansion. I'd actually prefer that people reading this don't !vote at the article's AfD discussion, because then people who monitor and are critical of this WikiProject will likely make accusations of vote stacking! However, if so inclined to participate in the AfD discussion, perhaps consider making a comment instead. Of course, one has no control over the actions of others whatsoever. Whatever! This topic seems pretty fly, improve it! Northamerica1000 09:46, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Yup - I'd agree that it looks notable enough - though finding more sources may involve old-fashioned research in local newspaper archives etc. A quick look with Google suggests that the obvious online stuff has already been found. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:21, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Tenth Presbyterian Church

Tenth Presbyterian Church is a notable Evangelical Philadelphia congregation of the Presbyterian Church in America, founded 1829, with an architecturally important church building, 1856, designed by the same architect who did Philadelphia City Hall. --DThomsen8 (talk) 22:03, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Ryukyu Arc

ResolvedRyukyu Arc was retained. Please feel free to continue improving the article.  – Northamerica1000 06:38, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I know it's a long-shot to ask for help here with that article, as it would take a boffin to improve it, but it seems to me that content similar with what we have at Izu-Bonin-Mariana Arc should exist for Japan's other major southern island arc. Tijfo098 (talk) 03:40, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

This was kept at AfD, no straight out delete votes, and notability was demonstrated during discussion. Since there was an allegation that creation had ulterior purposes, it is good that attention was brought to the article. Article could still use more improvement, however (and graphics).--Milowent • 15:52, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

list of celebrity hairdressers

ResolvedList of celebrity hairdressers was retained. Please feel free to continue improving the article.  – Northamerica1000 06:36, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

This is the sort of topic which geeky males don't get, unlike list of Linux distributions or list of Gunsmoke television episodes. Due to this huge bias against female fashion, we still have a rich seam of fresh content to mine. Warden (talk) 23:56, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

• Nominator seems unaware of the face that "list of celebrity" or similar articles do exist in droves, such as the celebrated List of celebrities who own wineries and vineyards. Some may be bad, but the majority are well-established. The AfD is already drawing broad attention, I see.--Milowent • 06:00, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
  • The title of the list is bad. It's actually about hairdressers who are "celebrities" (i.e. notable) because of their work, not some celebrities who happen to dabble in hairdressing. Tijfo098 (talk) 21:21, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

NA1000 and others did some good work on this one, obviating the concerns that caused the AfD. Good job, a net gain to the project.--Milowent • 13:16, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Blended learning

ResolvedBlended learning was retained. Please feel free to continue improving the article.  – Northamerica1000 06:34, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

This seems to be the beginning of the end for AFD. Here we have an admin utterly failing to follow the proper process outlined at WP:BEFORE: no discussion on the talk page; no serious attempt to edit or even tag the article for improvement. No, he just brings the matter to AFD in the hope that a fairy godmother will do the work of improvement for him or otherwise it will all be destroyed. Now Kudpung is a mature and respected admin but he's just not playing by the rules here. I could rewrite the article in a trice myself - it would only take an hour to completely transform it and give it excellent references. But my reward for this effort would just be to have others bringing more poorly written articles to AFD so I think I'll go to bed instead. The rest of you can please take a look and see what you make of this sorry state of affairs. Warden (talk) 22:50, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

What you need to understand Warden, is that before launching into your personal attacks (not playing by the rules) and totally inaccurate assumptions, once nominated, an AfD can go one of several ways and the decision is one of the community and not yours. I have saved more articles from extinction than you would care to take time to investigate. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:24, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• It is an odd nomination in that the nominator does not actually advocate for deletion. The suggestion is that we "revert it to the last edit by its creator and to ensure that all 'references' are reliable and verifiable, and if not, delete it." A quick search confirms that numerous books and scholarly articles exist on blended learning, so notability is obvious. I have to agree that I cannot see that it was an appropriate nomination. Should I take the 20 minutes necessary to create an unassailable stub that obviates the whole AfD? We could all find thousands of articles that are as similarly shitty as this one on highly notable topics, and mass nominate every single one for AfD under the same rationale. I don't take any issue with the nominators good faith, any good editor should get frustrated sometimes as how much work there is yet to be done on the project. I hereby nominate our friend Purplebackpack89 to rewrite the article for us, I hope he is willing to volunteer.--Milowent • 05:45, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Study for a Caricature (Leonardo, Milan)

An unsourced stub article about a drawing by Leonardo da Vinci that needs sourcing. Northamerica1000 07:51, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• Well, it needs sourcing if it can be verified. A close look is merited, but the discussion seems to be finding that we have a WP:V problem.--Milowent • 15:14, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• Maybe it's a WP:HOAX. Northamerica1000 16:55, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• All four book results are from Misplaced Pages, it saying that in their descriptions when you click on them. If it was real, then surely some book would mention it somewhere, or the museum's website would have it listed. Dream Focus 17:10, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• Addended my initial post above. Northamerica1000 02:13, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

• The article has now been deleted, thanks to those ARS members who investigated this and helped the AfD reach the proper result.--Milowent • 15:30, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Cattleman Restaurant

ResolvedThe Cattleman Restaurant article was retained. Please feel free to continue improving it.  – Northamerica1000 02:19, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

The Cattleman Restaurant in Manhattan is a defunct restaurant, but it is documented with two New York Times articles. I confess I do not quite follow the deletion discussion. If the two NYT articles exist, why is this apparently notable and well patronized in its day restaurant now to be deleted? --DThomsen8 (talk) 01:37, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

• When Longchamps (chain of restaurants) was prodded about a year ago, I worked to fix it, and some articles talked about the Cattleman (Larry Ellman was involved in both), so I wouldn't be surprised if its notable. I'll take a look.--Milowent • 01:45, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

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