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| :::::No indication that this refers to the Summer Paralympics only as far as I can see. Anyway, he isn't listed on the official sites, he is nowhere mentioned as a Paralympic bronze medal winner, he is referenced as the guide of a bronze medal winner though. ] (]) 10:19, 5 November 2012 (UTC) | :::::No indication that this refers to the Summer Paralympics only as far as I can see. Anyway, he isn't listed on the official sites, he is nowhere mentioned as a Paralympic bronze medal winner, he is referenced as the guide of a bronze medal winner though. ] (]) 10:19, 5 November 2012 (UTC) | ||
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: not good to go, the article lists him as a Paralympic medal winner, which he isn't (according to official sources). The official Paralympic source doesn't even list him as a contestant, but as a coach. ] (]) 08:43, 6 November 2012 (UTC) | ||
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Eric Bickerton
( )- ... that Eric Bickerton has represented Australia in skiing at the 2010 Winter Paralympics and the International Military Downhill Championships?
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Created/expanded by LauraHale (talk), Thine Antique Pen (talk). Nominated by LauraHale (talk) at 22:00, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Are guide skiers usually ranked as being competitors and medal winners? The official Paralympics results site doesn't list him among the participants or medal winners at that event, he doesn't have a biography there either, and at Jessica Gallagher's biography on that site, he is listed under the coaches, not as a participant: "Name of coach: Steve Graham , Eric Bickerton ". This seems to indicate that officially, he hasn't represented Australia in skiing at the Paralympics (making the hook incorrect), and that he hasn't won a medal either (making the infobox and other parts of the article incorrect). Just like her coach hasn't won a medal as such and hasn't represented Australia as such, her guide also should not be presented as having achieved those things. It's obvious from all sources linked in the article that the focus is on Gallagher the athlete, with mentions of Bickerton the guide, with Gallagher competing and winning the medal, not Bickerton. Fram (talk) 11:04, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, guide skiers get medals if the skier uses the same guide for the whole event. She did. Therefor, Bickerton got a medal. He is part of the team, because Gallagher cannot compete with him. He is listed as the guide on all the members of the team. The hook is correct because he is a member of the team. You can check the sources that name him as a member of the team. --LauraHale (talk) 11:07, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
- Then why don't the sources list him as a competitor and/or a medal winner? Official sources don't list him as a medal winner, they list him among the coaches. He didn't qualify, he wasn't considered a participant. The sources don't support your hook or your article. Fram (talk) 11:38, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
- He is listed as her GUIDE. He was considered a participant. Here it says the PAIR is competing. It treats him as a member of the team. here it says "With guide Eric Bickerton, Jessica claimed bronze in the women’s vision-impaired slalom" which yes, supports that the guide gets it. WITH is the important word. Also:
There is his medal that he won. He has a medal. He was a member of the team. --LauraHale (talk) 11:47, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
- Funny. The flickr photograph (hardly a reliable source) links to an article about the medal winning event, . It seems to agree that Gallagher won a medal, not that Gallagher and Bickerton both won a medal. The "with guide" quote above proves nothing, that would be like an article stating "with caddy X, Tiger Woods won": Tiger Woods won, and X was his caddy. Otherwise, the article would state "Jessica Gallagher and Binckerton won the bronze medal". He is not officially listed as a bronze medal winner, so the article shouldn't made that claim. Fram (talk) 12:01, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
- Guides are such an integral part of visually impaired skiing, dual medals are awarded. Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:08, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
- Then why don't the official instances acknowledge this? And why do other sources claim that "This is why at London 2012, the guides who assist blind or visually-impaired athletes to a place on the podium have also been receiving medals for the first time." (emphasis mine). (see e.g. also and ) Fram (talk) 09:26, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
- That refers to the Summer Paralympics. And, as the articles make it clear, even there some of them had been getting medals for some years. The difference was that in London, all the guides in every sport got medals. The big issue was of course that they are not disabled. However, with the emphasis on sport instead of disability, it has become accepted. Hawkeye7 (talk) 10:16, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
- No indication that this refers to the Summer Paralympics only as far as I can see. Anyway, he isn't listed on the official sites, he is nowhere mentioned as a Paralympic bronze medal winner, he is referenced as the guide of a bronze medal winner though. Fram (talk) 10:19, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Good to go then. Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:20, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
- That refers to the Summer Paralympics. And, as the articles make it clear, even there some of them had been getting medals for some years. The difference was that in London, all the guides in every sport got medals. The big issue was of course that they are not disabled. However, with the emphasis on sport instead of disability, it has become accepted. Hawkeye7 (talk) 10:16, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
- Then why don't the official instances acknowledge this? And why do other sources claim that "This is why at London 2012, the guides who assist blind or visually-impaired athletes to a place on the podium have also been receiving medals for the first time." (emphasis mine). (see e.g. also and ) Fram (talk) 09:26, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
- Guides are such an integral part of visually impaired skiing, dual medals are awarded. Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:08, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
- not good to go, the article lists him as a Paralympic medal winner, which he isn't (according to official sources). The official Paralympic source doesn't even list him as a contestant, but as a coach. Fram (talk) 08:43, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
