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	It is quite pathetic when one has to defend himself to his mentor... I'll list the articles, categories, and templates I have placed for deletion below. I am going to include ones Tony Sidaway did not include as well.

	I'd like to point out the reason why we do not do polls for deletion. All deletion processes are a concensus gathering process. However on occasions disruptive behaviour such as ] do happen.

	Hence I will explain all of the deletion votes I started or participated. I will try to be brief for all of them.

	* ]
	**Article was originaly talking about two countries that have supposively existed. One only lasted 2 years while another lasted less than 6 months. The article(s) barely occupy a paragraph and had two sections I believe.
	**Article at a point was comparing the british goverment with saddam as "the british goverment gassed the kurds".
	**I was in contact with Tony on IRC about this deletion, I do not recall the details but he did not say or imply such a deletion would be disruptive.
	**During the vfd the articles quality was improved sligtly
	**Perhaps article is much suitable to be a section on an article with the title "Modern History of the Kurds" as article cant grow much even when inflated with lists of cabinate members.
	* ]
	**When I placed this article up for deleteion it was talking about an insignificant restourant which two kurds supposively had been shot. At the time the article barely could be considered a stub. After the deletion article was slightly inproved and renamed. It became a historicaly significant incident and hence became article worthy as an incident rather than info about the restourant.
	**I discussed the possible afd of this article with Tony Sidaway on IRC and he said it was pretty useless and that he said it wouldnt probably survive a deletion.
	**The result of my Afd is a better article with a better title.
	**This article should be a section at "Modern history of the Kurds" as article is too short and cant grow as the incident was quite minor and all details have been presented.
	* ]
	**Other editors, one being Gruntness feels this article exists soely as a pov fork. ] was deleted for that reason
	**There was a case of vote stacking over 14 people were notified of this afd of which all but one voted favorably to the advertisier (]) with '''keep'''. My complaint about a vote stacking generated milimal response and no action.
	**Article currently gives a short intoduction to kurdish history which is a copy of ] and a number of articles. ] is not oversized and we do have a ] if we are to talk about the kurds. We can talk about ] in its own article.
	**If we had a sensable deletion process this article would have been deleted. If you think otherwise please provide a rationale at what purpose does this article with pov titile, ], serve that cant be achieved through ] and ].
	*]
	**It is a strange article. I believe this article is nothing but pusedo science and promotes racisim. When I nominated this article for deleteion there was a VERY LARGE dna picture and it was less than neutral. it might be a nice addition to a section under ]. BUT etnicity is a cultural concept not genetic. Genetic would be race and last time I checked Kurds were just an ethnic minority.
	*]
	**I got this category speedy deleted.
	**I personaly believe Abdullah Ocalan is a Kurdish terrorist. Hence my nomination is in conflict with my personal views.
	*]
	**I got this category speedy deleted.
	**I personaly believe PKK is a Terrorist organisation and anybody they killed is a victim. Hence my nomination is in conflict with my personal views.
	*] <sup>(])</sup>
	**I participated in this vote expressing why the stub category is pov. Stub types have very explicit guidelines.
	**I'd like to point out comments of some of the people voting keep... They are by far intruguing
	**I have not initiated this deletion
	**The "''unless we consider kurdish a nationality and kurdistan a country which would be pov not shared by international treaties''" comment tony highlighted is in parallel with stub guidelines.
	***While a ] may be approporate. I would however prefer a categorisation similar to the format politicians in United States is covered such as ]. Tagging a Kurd in Iraq and Turkey under the same category would be problematic and confusing. However I do not intend to do anything about it as my block is proof wikipedia is not worth my devotion anymore.
	*]
	**Speedy deleted as per vote mentioned above.
	**] created this
	*] <sup>(])</sup>
	**Probably will be deleted as a back log as per stub sorting practice.
	**] created this
	*] and ]
	**We do not categorise provinces, cities, or other landmarks based on ethnicity. I do not see why kurds are treated diferently from rest of wikipedia.
	**If demographic information about an ethnicity is avalible it can be presented in an article.
	**Who determines which article fits in these category or not? ] does not have defined borders nor are there any reliable data on Kurdish population.
	**Categories are navigation aids. The basis of such categories for provinces and cities is based on "who owns the place". Categories are not tools for territory grab. We do not tag every province and city in mainland china under ] just because the goverment claims it. Kurds do not even have a country to claim territory from.
	**] created both of the categories
	**See ]'s comment about ] on the next section.
	*]
	**Originaly intended to be a comprimise to ]. I requested its creation from ] via email and/or irc.
	**I later changed my mind as categorising based on ethnicity still is a poor practice. No example of ethnic tagging exists in articles like ] or ].
	**It is more problematic as we do not have any reliable statistics regarding the Kurds. We do not know how many kurds there are let alone know what fraction of the population they occupy as no census about ethnicity was EVER held in the past 7 decades at least to my knowlege.
	*Categories I haven't touched nor intend to touch ], ], ], ], ],... List goes on I am well aware of many other categories, articles, and templates related to the kurds. So I am definaltly not trying to delete everything related to kurds at random.
	*My actions are infact '''re'''actions to mass creation of many contraversial categories all only exist soley to grab territory. I also raise concerns about tiny articles that have no way of growing. None of my actions have "distupted" the articles in question unless you consider improvement as disruption.
	:--<small>] ]</small> 17:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

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User posts: 05:30, 7 January 2025 UTC

Teika formatting

Remember Fujiwara no Teika? Well, I'm trying to get those nice little boxes you set up to be in the center instead of left-aligning (I've asked around, and people find center aligning better, apparently), but I can't figure out how- the relevant code already says "center". --maru (talk) contribs 05:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Aye aye, done. :) --Cat out 08:53, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:Nihongo

~~What damage are we taling about?~~ --Cat out 23:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I think all articles in question should be modified to be more compatible with my change. Taking care of repetive usage is the point of templates. --Cat out 23:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

It's late, I'll explain tomorrow. Basically all the articles used the template with "it is known as !"$%£ in Japanese" and you changed it to "it is known as Japanese:!"$%£ in Japanese". Yeah. Highway 23:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I see. Still I think "it is known in japanese" is unnecesary. We can just use the format I came up with. --Cat out 23:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Your change does not work into good English. It is very difficult to make a defunct label work into context. And it isn't your template, all edits are equal. Highway 23:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I am going to fucking sleep. I will deal with this tomorrow. Please leave it until I can sort this out. Highway 23:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

There is no one forcing you to respond immidiately. When I post on a talk page I expect people to respond at the most convinient time to them. Please be civil.

My change works fine with english. I have been using that syntax on a very large number of articles. Take a look at List of Oh My Goddess episodes and all linked episode pages (aside from ovas).

Any template I create or make significant change becomes "my template" in a conversation for easy referance. Saying "my" is much more conviniant than repetively typing out the templats name. This doesnt mean I own them of course.

--Cat out 09:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Fine, I'm sorry it was 1am and I was tired. Is there any way we can come to a compromise? Could we have to separate templates? It's just completely fecked up articles that use paragraphs. Highway 10:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, we can rewrite every paragraph to make them better. I vote for that option. All I want is whats best for wikipedia. The syntax I propose has been the standard I observed.

We do not have to follow either suggestion. I just feel a sentence is redundent when its talking about the japanese meaning in a lenghty tone which could also be achieved with one word: (Japanese: )

--Cat out 14:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

All that does is trap editors into having rewrite a sentence a particular way because of it. Now you can have Japanese shoved at the front of another template, but please at least leave one that still functions fine alone to at least preserve the thousands of articles it would damage. Highway 14:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, lets get one thing straight. I am not trying to disrupt wikipedia nor trapping anyone. Your hostile attitide is starting to bother me.

It is possible to rewrite the 'thousands of articles' with a bot in a few seconds so thats not an issue either. So there is no damage.

So what is the issue, that I dont understand.

--Cat out 15:38, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I also do not see a single article my modification "breaks" --Cat out 15:41, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Heja helweda

I think you have had some experience with this user adding information that is not properly sourced. I would appreciate it if you could have a look at Talk:History_of_the_Kurds#Zoroaster_and_Yazidis where he is trying to add this rather large paragraph based on this article on "findarticles.com" which in my opinion is not academic at all, article is full of "I think"s and the author has made up conclusions which I think should not be put on Misplaced Pages.

Perhaps I am wrong here, but I read that Jimbo insists that for anything disputable there has to be SOLID and VERIFABLE sources, not what "Sheikh Dawresh Kalesh" (Google search = 0) would say and how the author has claimed that it is infact, true!..

Anyway you might also want to check out Misplaced Pages:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#.

Thanks, -- - K a s h 11:27, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

You may want to add this to the rfc I filed. Seek arbitration if he insists on being disruptive. --Cat out 19:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

blocked

I have blocked you for 48 hours for violating the ArbCom ruling about disruptive edits in Kurd-related areas as brought up recently on AN/I. Take the time to cool off, and come back more receptive to community consensus please. -lethe 13:54, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

This blocked user has requested to be unblocked. The reason given is: I do not believe one edit (cfding a category) is in violation of the arbcom ruling which banned me from editing articles. I havent edited articles for a serious amount of time now. Even vandals are given a warning before a 48 hour block... See talk for details
Administrators: If there is a legitimate reason to remove the block, please do so; otherwise, please leave a note to that effect on the user's talk page. In either case, please remove this template once you're done.
Blocked editor: If the block message says that your IP address is blocked or that your IP address was recently used by a blocked user, please paste the block message or post your IP address below as we have no way of unblocking you if your username itself was not blocked.

--Cat out 07:15, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Ban on kurd-related editing

As your mentor, I'm letting Lethe's block stand, and I'm taking the step of banning you from editing, creating or nominating for deletion any articles, categories or templates related to the kurds. This is for an initial period of one week to be extended indefinitely if the other two mentors agree.

This ban doesn't restrict your use of related talk pages. --Tony Sidaway 05:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

You have banned me from editing articles... something I havent done in ages. Yur ban is over ONE cfding of a category. You have also banned me from voting.... --Cat out 07:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Should you return to participating in Kurd-related talk pages I would ask you to make reasonable arguments and to not simply oppose efforts of others who may not share your views. It would seem that admins agree that there has been a pattern of editing here that warrants this remedy -- it is not a simple case of ONE CFD. I personally was annoyed that the CFD appeared to be a direct response to my having used the category. FWIW, I don't see anything above that would indicate that you're being disenfranchised, only that you should not nominate a Kurd-related category for deletion. --Moby 09:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

DON'T PATRONISE ME! --Cat out 09:51, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Mgm has opposed the ban. As he is one of the two other mentors, I've rescinded the ban pending further discussion . --Tony Sidaway 15:17, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I am still blocked so I cant participate in that discussion. --Cat out 15:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

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