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Stephanie Adams article

Have you revisited the article recently? There seems to be a heated debate on the talk page over something so minor as removing the reliably sourced school she attended - how many sources does fasttimes68 need for this item to remain in tact? - and there's even a topic ban request | here regarding that user named fasttimes68. Why such a mess? Other people have mentionings about their educational background and it's never such a silly debate like this. HayhayhayFromUK (talk) 18:57, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

• I know this was some time ago, but if you do take an interest in this topic, I suggest looking at COIN, as a large number of paid editors had emerged at the time (around 4). IRWolfie- (talk) 11:06, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Cold fusion

Hi. I have been tracking down most of the missing citations for this article. Could you please add the citation for Close 1993? You can install User:Ucucha/HarvErrors to see problems with the harvard templates... Thanks. --Mirokado (talk) 00:40, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much. The citation only had an incorrect year. I have added that script to my common.js.

I'll try to remove some of those ref=CITEREFxxxxxx parameters. Most of the time they are the result of me and others fumbling around, trying to make the references work by trial and error :) --Enric Naval (talk) 13:06, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Hum, what is the difference between Template:sfn and Template:harvnb? Is there any benefit for switching to sfn? --Enric Naval (talk) 13:16, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick update. This tidying up was prompted by IRWolfie's comment at Talk:Cold_fusion#Referencing_Style. Probably good to join that discussion before any major reorganisations, but tidying up the explicit CITEREF parameters is something else which will be generally helpful anyway. What you have just started to do is fine for single-author references, for multi-author references you need to list the first four with each harvnb call (for example {{harvnb|Reger|Goode|Ball|2009|pp=814–815}}).

sfn wraps harvnb in ref tags so the wiki source is shorter when the inline points to just one citation. It also consolidates inlines to the same citation and page range fully automatically, so there is no need to worry about when to use named references. That is the major advantage. The CF article currently uses {{citation}} which does not end in a full stop. Changing that would certainly require agreement on the talk page, until then we should use {{sfn|ps=|...}} to suppress the full stops in the short form inlines. The current use of harvnb where there is other text or more than one short form in an inline reference is fine. --Mirokado (talk) 14:08, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

OK, I removed most CITEREF. I have a few corner cases. For example, in Saeta 1999, we are quoting only one of the authors. Maybe we should uniformize all the refs and mention the specific author in "loc=". In some of the refs the author is "US Department of Energy". I'll try to fix this. --Enric Naval (talk) 14:46, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

For the Department of Energy, the harvard documentation suggests organisation initials, so for example: |ref={{harvid|USDE}} in the citation and {{harvnb|USDE|etc}} for the short forms. I'll have a look at Saeta now. Nice recent changes. --Mirokado (talk) 14:59, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll use USDOE. But I'll wait until later, to avoid edit conflicts. --Enric Naval (talk) 15:01, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Please go ahead with USDOE now if you like, it will take a while to sort out Saeta et al and I will try to avoid colliding with your edits (often lots in a row, I have noticed!). For that I will make an update and you or others will be welcome to tweak further or whatever... --Mirokado (talk) 15:15, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

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Comment

Hi, with this I would consider that to be a large BLP claim to attribute to an unreliable self-published source (the other source has just repeated the claim but not verified it it seems). IRWolfie- (talk) 13:44, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I found a better source . But I think that maybe we should leave the New Energy Times because it's cited by Science Insider, it has details that can be interesting for the reader that wants to know more, and it has some of Taleyarkhan's replies. --Enric Naval (talk) 16:58, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

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Odin Brotherhood

Hello.

I was shocked by your wholesale changes made to the Odin Brotherhood article. Rather than gut the piece, could you make small changes?

You seem to have some issue with the Mirabello book, but a new one by Jack Wolf of Canada will soon be published. Also, if you have issue with the movement, may I ask you to post them at our 1,000-member dicussion forum, which may be accessed through www.odinbrotherhood.com

Thank you.

--Heathenguy (talk) 23:28, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

I was right now typing a reply in your talk page, give me a few minutes. --Enric Naval (talk) 23:30, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

I was quite shocked by your attacks on the page. Before reverting, I am seeking the help of an administrator. Obviously, anyone can edit a page, but why did you engage in such wholesale alternations?

If you are interested in learning about are group, I would be happy to send you a copy of the new book by Jack Wolf, The Way of the Odin Brotherhood. It is still in production, but will be released soon.

May I ask the reason fo your hostility to the group? --Heathenguy (talk) 23:43, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

No attacks. I'm only insisting that the article reflects what reliable sources say, not what we would like them to say. I replied in your talk page. --Enric Naval (talk) 00:02, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

The article is on a religion. If you wish to discuss a book, please start a NEW article. Please use a neutral point of view, however. --Heathenguy (talk) 04:16, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

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O-Pee-Chee

Hi. Thank you for your input. I had placed PROD on the OPC pages because initially someone started that process without merging them. Thank you by the way for proposing the merger. I had proposed that a long time ago then never got around to it. Anyway I had asked Reaper Eternal about 1980 O-Pee-Chee since it had already been deleted before the merger. Therefore it is the only one that has not been redirected to the List. The comment about wantlists came up because an editor had used article space to do some card trading. Even in the talk space it would not contribute to article content. Libro0 (talk) 01:59, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

What?

What the hell are you talking about? I have not restored any edits from Echigo mole or told anyone that this is allowed. That claim is patently false and you should retract it.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 14:30, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

You are totally right, I am sorry for my clumsiness. I have amended my comment. Please check it.

By the way, please take this into consideration. Please don't encourage people to interact with indef-blocked editors. Those editors are supposed to stay way from wikipedia. Telling editors in good standing that it's OK to interact with them just encourages indef-blocked editors to return to wikipedia and evade their blocks. It also lands those editors in good standing in hot water, since they are themselves encouraging the block evasion due to having received bad advice. --Enric Naval (talk) 17:22, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

There is a difference between saying someone can do something and saying that person should do something. I am not going to tell someone that he or she should communicate with any specific editor unless doing so would be productive, but I am not going to suggest that such communication is not allowed because it is allowed. Many editors, including admins and Arbitrators, communicate with banned or blocked editors for one reason or another, including in social settings, and someone can't and shouldn't be sanctioned for the mere act of talking to someone who is not allowed to edit Misplaced Pages.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that the blocked editor is evading his block if the communication is happening in wikipedia pages. And acting on behalf of a blocked editor is frowned upon, since you helping in his block evasion. It will probably have consequences for both sides: the editor in good standing will be chastised, and the blocked editor will have problems when he tries to obtain an unblock (people will point at the incident and say that he can't keep himself away from wikipedia). The goal of a block is to keep an editor away from wikipedia; it's not intended to have him coaching other editors, either publicly or behind the scenes.

And, even if the communication happens outside of wikipedia. Even if the communication doesn't result in making edits on behalf of the blocked editor. Even then, taking editing advice from an indef-blocked editor is not wise. So, you can but you shouldn't. --Enric Naval (talk) 20:53, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Simple fact is that I was not encouraging anything. All I did was note what was allowed by policy and what was allowed by the restriction. That is not encouragement. Personally, I think all you should say to someone about interacting with a banned or blocked editor is to remind that person of what is appropriate when it comes to editing Misplaced Pages. Trev does not seem to be a bad person so I cannot think of any moral or ethical reason for someone to not talk to him. Not gonna comment on editors with whom I am not familiar, but the suggestion that someone should never even talk to a person kind of rankles me a bit.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 22:22, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

You were completely missing the goal of the restriction that was issued by arbcom. I am sorry that you don't like that some editors are excluded from wikipedia, but that's the way things are here. WP:BLOCK and WP:BAN are not going anywhere, and WP:WHYCANTWEALLBEFRIENDSANDHAVEAGROUPHUG is not bound to become policy anytime soon. If you want to a website where nobody is ever excluded from participating, then you are looking in the wrong place. --Enric Naval (talk) 23:31, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Not saying that certain editors should not be prohibited from editing, but that no one should demand that people not talk to another human being off-wiki solely because of some sanction against that person on here.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 23:43, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh, we can't prevent off-wiki communication. But, if off-wiki communication results in block evasions, it's bound to have consequences for the editors enabling the evasion. --Enric Naval (talk) 00:25, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

For all it's worth, there was a related incident a few days ago in the Spanish wikipedia. An editor decided to es:evade a block by writing artiles off-wiki and then asking someone else to post them in wikipedia, this caused a lot of upheaval, and it affected negatively his unblocking petition. There was a very long thread on whether the editor had to be blocked for disruption, and whether it was ok to edit in behalf of blocked editors as long as they were only improving articles. --Enric Naval (talk) 00:50, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

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OK, I commented there. --Enric Naval (talk) 13:29, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

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Good work

Good find with the Physics of the Plasma Universe quotes etc, IRWolfie- (talk) 10:59, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I just wanted to make really really sure that the book actually had plasma cosmology ideas and that I hadn't treated Iantresman unfairly. --Enric Naval (talk) 21:36, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

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Santos30

Hola, Enric, me alegro de tu mensaje, hace tiempo que no hablamos, pero me acuerdo aún de mis primeras intervenciones en en:wp, cuando yo aún era un novato, e interviniste en un asunto relacionado con la Corona de Aragón. Conozco las andanzas de Santos 30 en la wikipedia en español, pero lamentablemente mi inglés es demasiado rudimentario como para poder intervenir aquí. De allí te digo que fue un usuario con POVwarrior hasta tal punto que fue bloqueado. Hago pequeñas ediciones, cuando veo algo muy gordo o muy fuera de lugar, pero poco más. Si quieres puedes contactar con Durero de la wikipedia en español, a ver si él está interesado en aportar alguna cosa. Yo, lamentablemente, solo tengo un inglés de andar muy por casa. En todo caso, un abrazo. Escarlati (talk) 18:53, 21 November 2012 (UTC)