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	:::My issue with the plot right now is that it mentioned Bond being shot twice in two sentences, with very little to differentiate them, and thus it might be confusing. It's certainly awkward to read. I feel it is better to cover the sharpnel from the wound Patrice gave Bond when the shrapnel actually plays a part in the story. Plots don't need to be recounted chronologically, and this version reads better. ] (]) 06:03, 22 November 2012 (UTC)		:::My issue with the plot right now is that it mentioned Bond being shot twice in two sentences, with very little to differentiate them, and thus it might be confusing. It's certainly awkward to read. I feel it is better to cover the sharpnel from the wound Patrice gave Bond when the shrapnel actually plays a part in the story. Plots don't need to be recounted chronologically, and this version reads better. ] (]) 06:03, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

			::::Please stop trying to force through edits by threateneing administrator intervention. I have reverted your edits because they are not particularly well-worded. I doubt you have even ''read'' the edits I have made, because they are concentrating on a single sentence that I feel could be addressed differently. it is not a question of wording, but of content. Nevertheless, you insist that wording is the issue here. You have not even addressed the issue that I have raised.

			::::Here is my problem:

			:::::''In Turkey, MI6 agents James Bond and Eve attempt to recover a stolen computer hard drive containing details of agents placed undercover in terrorist organisations by NATO states. As they chase the mercenary Patrice, who killed MI6 agents to steal the drive, '''Patrice shoots Bond in the shoulder. Later as the two men grapple, Eve accidentally shoots Bond,''' who goes missing and is presumed dead.''

			::::I feel that this part in bold can be worded better. The problem is that in one sentence, the wording states that Bond is shot. Then it states that he is shot again. I find this to be awkward, and would like to change it because I feel it can be addressed better. Nevertheless, you insist on reverting my edits on sight. Even after I have raised the issue once already. If you report this to an adminstrator, then I will simply point out that you repeatedly reverted my edits without addressing any of the issues I raise.

			::::Any further edits that I make to the plot subsection will only address the sentences I have highlighted in bold because of the issue I have with the wording that has Bond being shot twice in two sentences. ] (]) 06:15, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

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Overdetail response

You're right about one thing about my recent edits to Hulk. I left a comment about current events and info on possible section for Hulk's other incarnations on it's talk pages. Rtkat3 (talk) 2:30, April 11 2012 (UTC)

Marvel reference

Just saw this, lots of info on the whole Marvel line up including filming dates for IM3 and Thor 2 and story details. I don't know if you'd be interested in using it, I'd update it myself but just don't have much time right now.

http://collider.com/kevin-feige-thor-2-iron-man-3-avengers-sequel-interview/158942/

Darkwarriorblake (talk) 01:02, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh wow, congratulations. I didn't realise you worked for an outfit, that's quite a solid get there. More Cobie than Joss though ;). I just finished reading the Feige interview, lot of good info there for all 4 flagship characters and their respective futures; Cap, IM, Thor, and Hulk. Shame Warner Bros can't get it's act together on anything but Batman (but then again Batman, his family, and his rogues are really the only characters I like from DC.) On the flipside, WB is killing it with games and Marvel can't sort itself out there. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 01:11, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Well I'm nearing 28, I'm not super young, I had a Spectrum ZX with a Ghostbusters game that took like 20 minutes to load. I agree with Superman Returns, I'm not a fan of super kids at all anyway, I don't know why, but a super son? Pass. The old world aesthetic with the 70s campiness just didn't work, and tbh the older films never really clicked with me anyway. As a kid maybe but not today. It's just a shame that Marvel will probably not see teh Spider-Man rights returned for another decade at least. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 01:26, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Well you heard her voice, that's closer than most people make it. Thanks for adding that info too. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 02:03, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

That's a shame, if it comes back I would be willing to help try and archive some segments of it. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 13:27, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I do, I will take a look at D. Where are you storing the links though? Darkwarriorblake (talk) 13:48, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm putting them here for now. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 14:27, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Jonathan Frid

Well, if some editors are violating policy by introducing clearly unsourced or poorly sourced material, then that's not an edit war. I've left a warning on the page of the last editor who changed the info to the incorrect date; if this continues, I'll intervene further. Nightscream (talk) 05:54, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Any time, brother. :-) Nightscream (talk) 16:52, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

The Real Housewives of Atlanta

You got it. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 15:04, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Avengers Assessment

That's great! I can't wait, already got my midnight ticket. Do you think you can handle the plot write up like before? Like CA:TFA, if we can start the section with a good base, it will be easier to keep section in line with WP:FILMPLOT and check all the fan cruft, we know will come. I'll help with maintenance after the 3rd.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 19:26, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

New York

Thanks!

See the WikiProject Comics talk page for a thought I just hard regarding NYCC. Doczilla _STOMP! 07:42, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

I'd like to thank you very much for the compliments. However, I really don't have the time to check on other people's edits, although I don't doubt that you're doing excellent work, as well. Best regards, Spinc5 (talk) 13:07, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Jonathan Frid

I just wanted to thank you for citing the sources on Jonathan Frid's page. It was a big help!! swinquest (talk) 04:18, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanos

Is this so called Thanos (which I am pretty sure that's who he is) portrayed by anybody? If the particular actor or a creator of the film said that's who he is I would be ok with it. Unfortunately he is in the post credits (I do believe) which means that he probably isn't in the end credits. That complicates things a little bit. Jhenderson 13:57, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Never mind. I soon realized that he was CGI and there was no voice so...that does complicate things. IMO I wish they could let it be known who that is...in case someone who's not familiar with comics to wonder about it. What in your opinion is a reliable source just to link the character? Also since you have been so helpful finding broken links even though this one could be much harder. There was links of a while back on the Wizard magazine's main web site that I used to explore on the web...until it was broken. If you could find older links of those pages that would be awesome. Jhenderson 18:18, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

I just realized I didn't tell you what the links when I really did mean you. It is the top 200 comic book characters links. It is worth noting that there is more than one link of that list they used to have of it. Jhenderson 19:37, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Do you know where to find it...because I am having a hard time just finding out where the url titles are. Jhenderson 21:08, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Finally found the forum that shows all of the links. I knew there was one. Jhenderson 21:16, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. But as I said they are broken so I might need your help but please don't let that interfere with your deadline. ;) Jhenderson 21:45, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

It's going good until I go to this link because (unlike the others) it doesn't link to the next one it uses a link to go back in the end. So I can't really figure what those links are titled. I hope you understood me. Jhenderson 22:52, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Argh! I think all of it might work...but it frustrates that I can't get to the other links. The url titles don't work on the internet archive. How did you figure out what the first countdown link was anyways. Jhenderson 23:28, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Boy was I persistent. I kept trying to figure out how to go beyond #150-#141 but I can't figure what the url of the next ones are. It doesn't help that there is no url on that last particular page I could get to. I should of known that was going to happen because it happened when the page was working. I remember it took that forum to see the rest of it when the page was working and strangely enough those forum urls never are working on the archive site. So my brain is more scrambled than yours is. If I were to get the rest of it I need your help (but I know you're busy with the Tom Hiddeleston and the Avengers film article) because I am bushed at figuring it out. I didn't really get the last answer too, sorry about that. I also feel like I am bothering you a lot when I don't mean to. :/ Jhenderson 00:40, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Storing? I am just trying to find all the links for the list but I haven't found them all it...and then my plans are to put them as sources for the particular fictional character articles on Misplaced Pages. Whoever is on there that is. So far I am using that link that you put on my talk page as the closest thing to find my way to some of those links. You might need to check out the majority of that list to know what I am talking about. Personally it's not a really agreeable list for me (definitely when it comes to the ordering) but it's a reliable one just the same when it comes to character reception. Jhenderson 01:01, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Back on Thanos, a little fact for you. The orginal source "Empireonline.com" originally posted thanos as a spoiler on the article but then removed it. That probably means that Feige proclaiming Thanos being on the film might be in the magazine though. Jhenderson 22:56, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Actually comicbookmovie (even though not reliable) said it. It linked a Jhenderson 23:00, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh the irony of timing...but is a podcast reliable? Jhenderson 23:03, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Never mind. You answered the question. We are basically commenting on the same time. Jhenderson 23:04, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

The podcast is definitely legit...but that is definitely me just saying that. Really interesting interview to listen to. :) Jhenderson 23:08, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't think he broke that rule because none of those were reverts just different edits...and make sure he knows about the history button just in case he doesn't know he can check that. Although if he adds that again I will help you out. If I don't notice it right away TriiipleThreat will help (I am sure) since he is common on that page. ;) Jhenderson 00:16, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

I made this Thanos reveal with the producer a footnote. I hope that's a better compromise for now. :) Jhenderson 13:45, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

This may be my opinion...but the complainers probably just didn't notice the footnote and just looked ONLY at the plot section and assumed it isn't resolved. That's why I say a hidden comment might come in handy from the future. Jhenderson 20:39, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Looks like that has been taken care of. You know I always thought that was a good idea on the "who said X-Men: First Class as sequel or reboot argument debate" since some of the creator's words didn't go together. Just a suggestion. ;) Jhenderson 19:36, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Re: Avengers

Heh, and I didn't know you were the one adding it back. Bascially because the third-party sources state Paramount has no actual involvement in the film despite what first-party sources might say. This is copy-vio from my comments on the talk page, Marvel was always the sole production company and had a deal with Paramount to distribute their films. After Disney purchased Marvel they bought the rights to distribute the film from Paramount for $115 million and agreed to give them 8% of the box office and allowed them to retain their name. However, Paramount is no longer affiliated with this film. hope this helps, --TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:32, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

It's actually detailed in the pre-production section, we added the footnote for extra clairification.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 16:14, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Those were my half-illiterate mispunctuation and misspelling of Feige's words! :) TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:59, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

No problem, I know my spelling and punctuation is atrocious.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:10, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Sure, I'll take a look at it.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 18:06, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

While I am somewhat aware of the situation (damn edit summaries), I'm trying to refrain from plot issues until I see the film. In the mean time, I suggest contacting an admin like J Greb (talk).--TriiipleThreat (talk) 20:07, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Reply

Probably have it as Frid died on April 14, 2012 (though there is some speculation his deathdate was the 13th). Probably look for a family statement. Or track down a Wikipedian in Hamilton, Ontario and check out his tombstone. RAP 2:53 2 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Half Barnstar
	I award this half barnstar to you and the other half to GDallimore for working together and addressing the title confusion at The Avengers (2012 film).--TriiipleThreat (talk) 12:50, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Avengers

Looking off the page is generally not a huge issue, but one possible solution would be to save the image on a computer (you or me could do it) and then invert the image so that it is facing in the opposite direction. The main problem is the way the cast section is set up it does not lend itself to changing the side of the image alignment. Technically, that image should be on the left since the infobox is on the right. But, the layout doesn't lend itself to that. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:10, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

That's cool. I did the flipping in PAINT already, but I think you have to upload the image from WikiCommons, as there is not an option to do it on this site. That said, should we upload over the old image, or just create a secondary image with the same license, only inverted for those instances where he's facing the other direction? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:18, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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webcitation.org

What is going on with webcitation.org. I keep getting errors when I go there. That's not good. Jhenderson 16:47, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Still not working with me..and it's working with you? Jhenderson 21:49, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

It finally worked after a whole lot of tries for me as well. By the way you don't have to worry about spoiling the film for me. I just watched the Avengers today. It was awesome. ;) Jhenderson 22:42, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Response to compliment

Thank you so much :) That's very kind of you. I'm really trying to get better about references and citing, and adding some good, interesting details to that page. :) Xpinkxcasualtyx (talk • contribs) 00:13, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

      Thanks and yea it was time consuming but I like doing it :) I appreciate you acknowledging the effort I try to put into it :) Xpinkxcasualtyx (talk • contribs) 11:11, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Ref on Avengers

I'm a little confused... are you aware that the current reference leads to the Box Office Mojo, which as far as I know doesn't contain interviews or links to interviews...--Williamsburgland (talk) 00:33, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

You know what? I mixed up Ref# 3, which is BOM, with Footnote #3, which is as you say. My mistake. --Williamsburgland (talk) 00:39, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

I was wondering if you could help cleaning up the citations, I left a comment about it on the talk page. It would be a shame to let it go now after all we put into it.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 21:50, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, also don't think I ignored the dilemma at The Dictator, it seemed to be under control by time I saw it. Do let me know if any further problems develop.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 21:56, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

There you are!

Jc! It's been ages since I've seen your edits in WikiProject Comics! Thanks for protecting The Avengers (2012 film). I hadn't known you'd become an admin — congrats! Hope to see you around the Project again soon. With regards from a fellow WPC old-timer, Tenebrae (talk) 04:34, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

lol, Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Jc37 - 2 : )

And I'm around. If you see something you think I'd be interested in, feel free to drop me a note. - jc37 07:12, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Waht's your problem, again?

Add a translation if your really need one so much, and voila. --Niemti (talk) 16:44, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Google: "The film 'The Dictator', the comedian Sacha Baron Cohen, who was filmed partially in Fuerteventura, ready for release around the world. In the first trailer, which you can see, one can see some footage shot on the island of Fuerteventura, in particular an air plane with tanks and military scenes doing some martial arts exercises.

In the movie, Sacha Baron Cohen ridicules a dictator halfway between Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein.

The shoot also included scenes in Seville, specifically in the plaza in Spain." --Niemti (talk) 16:45, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Is the problem under control now? I went to check it out but it seems like it's stable now and you're taking care of it. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 19:11, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

DO you mean the Growing Pains girl? I didn't remove the director although I think the user gave too much space to a cameo role. Now if he'd been the director of Moonlighting the TV show, I would have let the user write more. I loved that show. I know what you mean with The Avengers, that is hwy I've largely stayed on the plot alone rather than get drawn into managing the whole article. Too much hassle, at least at this point in time. I'm content over at Prometheus, very little activity there despite its popularity. Just lets me get stuff done. Not interested in reverting people all day or the debates over every little thing. Got other things to take care of. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:38, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

It is a good thing that the same people tend to gravitate towards the same articles, if I see one of those names I trust I can just leave it be and expect that they're probably taking care of business.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 16:54, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

This is just a notice that an incident has brewed at Talk:The Avengers (2012 film) with an editor accusing me of bad faith and OWN.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 11:31, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Struck me funny

This diff

Enjoy : ) - jc37 18:55, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Jackson's script

Not a big deal, but I think the printer that was used must have kept a digital image of the script in its memory after it was copied or scanned. I'm not saying this needs to be mentioned at all just explaining how it might of happened.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:38, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Its mentioned in the same source as his quotes, but again I'm not sure how relevant it is, if at all.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:04, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Prometheus

I don't know how to do a neutral notice thing, but there is an ongoing discussion at the above concerning a user who believes much of the article is fancruft and should be split off. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:36, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Also, dude you need to archive some of your posts, lol. I made a coffee while I was scrolling down. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:40, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Your time is appreciated. And I'll move those barnstars off my page, dunno why they always do that. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:48, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Do you know how reliable The Hollywood Reporter is? I normally use it and they;'ve released an updated story on the film which has lots of info, but a good chunk of it seems to be contradicting the stuff I already have in place from other sources, like it says that filming started in England, the source at the moment says it started in Canada then moved to England. The story is about Scott and the film history but it doesn't specify who provided that particular info.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 17:16, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

It's very confusing. This new THR one says it filmed March 21, to Jun something, but this one says it was filming in Canada from at least March 8. So they might only be officially classing filming dates from when the actors were actually filming story? It seems really bad at the minute, the EW interview with Lindelof has him moving things back to 2009 tied to the end of Lost which is impossible since it finished in 2010, the THR one says Spaihts was hired in 2008 and worked for two years while Forbes says he was hired in 2009, and a 2009 Variety one says the same. Just have to try and make do with what I can, hard to keep track of what source says what. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 17:45, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Well I don't know how to reconcile the filming dates, but I think the author has made a mistake with Spaihts hiring date, and then has offset everything by that mistake so that he spent two years writing 5 drafts instead of one. Gonna leave the filming dates alone and wait to see if other sources pop up to back things up. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 18:20, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

So I'm starting to think that THR of March 2011, mixed up Pinewood England with Pinewood Toronoto as this reports it used 7 stages and this from the Pinewood site for England, says it used 7 stages. Bloody journalists! It'd probably reconcile the start date if I'm right, just not the end date. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:21, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

No problem, with these comic ones especially where the characters and cast have articles, it just looks really messy now and we don't need 4 instances of Chris Evans on a page. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 16:50, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

magic trick.

I just decided to show you a new magic trick that I created that could be quite useful in the future. They would never notice your mention of Richard Norton describing the movie as a 220$ million dollar movie and instead would still put the budget on where it don't belong. But now there is no way they can't notice now. Woohahahah. I know my compromises. :) Jhenderson 14:11, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Personally it sounds like you didn't care much of that compromise. One editor didn't either. Any other ideas on that? Jhenderson 16:38, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

X-Men: First Class

I am going to have to leave for something for tonight. But I suggest you take it easy and stay calm judging on what's going on this articles talk page. Calling someone names because you feel like you are being threatened is not helping the case. I will see if I can contribute tomorrow ok. Just please calm down. :) Jhenderson 23:37, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry if my position diverges from yours in terms of your perception (and possibly JGreb's) of Stuart's words. But in my opinion, you shouldn't be raising mentions of COI unless you can demonstrate how the COI is real and not just presumptive, and how it colors the other editor's edits or their position, especially when you have presumptive or apparent conflicts with articles you have edited (something that admittedly many editors could be accused of, myself included). It is one reason why I believe certain edits, such as the ones you and I discussed previously within the past year, should not be allowed, or at least discouraged on Misplaced Pages. It's just asking for trouble, especially when you get involved in an editorial dispute. I hope this doesn't strain our friendship. :-) Nightscream (talk) 04:17, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

If that was his intent, then yeah, we'd need to react accordingly; But how do we know that it wasn't simply an instance of the Tu quoque argument? It may be a fallacy, but it's somewhat understandable when one is accused of something that he/she feels the accuser is himself guilty of. Nightscream (talk) 04:33, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

My point was that it was not clear that he was threatening you; the more obvious thing it appeared to be was a person being accused of something he felt his accuser as guilty of, and acted in an understandable manner, albeit with a common logical fallacy. But yeah, agree to disagree. Nightscream (talk) 04:42, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

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reliable source.

You think ScreenRant and Cinema Blend are reliable sources don't you. If so you can probably explain why much more than I can on the X-Men: First Class article. Jhenderson 19:31, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeah but GA homework not easy (if you know what I mean). I think when you have the time it would be better to hopefully work together on this. Jhenderson 16:38, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeah all those questionable sources were removed...but it still makes me concerned due to using sources like that in The Amazing Spider-Man (2012 film). I feel that Screen Rant has been very helpful on explaining writer's point of views personally. I want to know officially if Bleeding Cool, Cinema Blend and Screen Rant are unreliable/reliable. Jhenderson 19:12, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Starting with Cinema Blend here's citation #10, citation #31 (which both seem to be original interviews) and citation #121 for them on the Spider-Man film article. These can't count as reliable? Jhenderson 19:41, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

I answered "sure" on my talk page if you haven't noticed. It's your turn. ;) Jhenderson 20:10, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

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CA:TFA

There seems to be a dispute regarding the notability of a body double as a stand alone role and the use of reliable sources.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 07:22, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I see Kasper has created Leander Deeny, and am not sure if the page can be salvaged with editing.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:35, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Also thanks for helping to achieve neutral compromises here and at Thor (film).TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:36, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Hemsworth

Thanks for having a look at it, I started earlier with getting it into something resembling English and I was going to go through and cull the stuff that wasnt needed later, but it seems you got there first. Take a look at the version before mine. I nearly cried when I saw the language. Cheers. Only in death does duty end (talk) 23:19, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Well it appears the fans want stuff in the lede that I am not sure should be there, but I dont care enough about him to argue about it. I have reworked whats currently there (someone made some changes after yourself) to be more accurate and scan better. Cant be real fans though ;) they got his Starfleet rank wrong! Not to mention 'starred in' is a bit much given his screen time is approx ten mins. Only in death does duty end (talk) 09:20, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

jump off the page

It definitely is just a fancy term to "be the character you are portraying" Could we just write it in our own words like that? Jhenderson 20:21, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Or "bring the charcter in the script to life". That's how I read it. Jhenderson 20:23, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Don't let me stop you on the copyediting. Even if I happen to jump in on it. You are doing a good job on that. On other note it's cool that you are going to see the movie. I guess reporters can do that. ;) Jhenderson 14:13, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't feel like you need need to let me know when you are doing it. You can do it whenever you feel like doing it. Just you copy editing the article makes me more confidant it's reliable and worded better. So when today are you seeing it. ;) Jhenderson 14:46, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

I ignore that Sony is involved and try to realize who is the director and actors etc. of the film. That makes it seem that it might be a better film. But then again I don't want to keep my hopes up. The weakest thing about the film for me seems to be how the suit looks...but the Lizard look is growing on me. The Goomba comparisons from another film are getting old. BTW I also give you permission to trim or copyedit the viral marketing section as you see fit. Decide what you think is mostly notable or significant on there. Jhenderson 15:24, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

I know the source specifically said "Laura Ziskind" but I think that might be a typo on their part.. Jhenderson 18:19, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Quit saying things in better form then how I say it!!! Just kidding BTW. I can see how you are are a reporter though. Jhenderson 19:15, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

I am guessing you liked the movie more than you thought you did. Which (kind of) surprises me. Jhenderson 20:04, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I heard you say "ok". A ok movie IMO is Iron Man 2, The Incredible Hulk, Thor and Captain America: The First Avenger. Is it in these movies level or worse. Jhenderson 20:16, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Basically I have felt that the Marvel Cinematic Universe has done a moderately good job with their films when compared to the first and last adaption they have done on being great comic book movies. Overall a cool universe though. :) Jhenderson 20:23, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

If you didn't like it better than the third one this movie is probably doomed with a negative reaction. Oh well! :/Jhenderson 20:56, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Doing my detective work I just found out there is a news embargo with the press release. But each and every people that have spilled the beans have created a positive word of mouth so far. When I do my research I do my research. BTW You are still free to edit that article again because I appreciated the help...and since you have edited on that article you are always free to request help for your own contributions to of course. Jhenderson 23:44, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

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you seem flustered lately, a lot of your explanations on revisions are intense and end with a (!), you're usually so calm lol ;) Xpinkxcasualtyx (talk) 00:52, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

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I did not say you edit-warred. In writing "Please do not edit war, but open a discussion, per Misplaced Pages protocol," I was trying to head off an edit war. So your characterizing my statement as a "false accusation" is, ironically, itself a "false accusation." --Tenebrae (talk) 13:44, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Aidny and Chris Hemsworth

By now, of course, someone else has blocked him. But for future reference, don't forget to link to the specific talk page or ANI discussion. While I was able to intuit which discussion it was by searching for your name at the ANI board, you may not always be referring to a discussion in which you have posted, or on a board in which there are not posts by you in other, unrelated discussions. :-) Nightscream (talk) 00:46, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

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TDKR

Thought you might like this new Batman trailer, obviously don't watch if you want to remain completely spoiler free. Looks amazing though, have watched it about 20 times (mostly for the music) - Link Darkwarriorblake (talk) 18:55, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note TB, though I've long since given up on dealing with the plot. I did want to ask you a favor in that regard. I am going on holiday on July 3 until like the 14th. The article is a lot more stable now but i wthought I would let you know so if possible you can keep an eye on it in my stead. I'm going to ask Illazilla to do the same if he can. When I get back I'm going to request a copy edit and then submit it for GA as I think it is in a pretty good position to pass. I didn't want to ask for one before I go away because they'll make sweeping changes and it will be easier for me to monitor and make sure nothing important is lost and/or answer questions if I'm around. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 18:16, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

I barely remember what they are either, not been abroad in about 4-5 years. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 18:36, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Re: Regarding the Black Widow movie

Thanks for responding, I also responded to DingleMr on his talk page. Also this has gotten me thinking that The Avengers 2 should be removed from the films list and there should be a higher threshold to included future films than mere announcements. What do you think?--TriiipleThreat (talk) 19:15, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

The source is from THR and comment was made by Bob Iger, still I think there should be signs that the film is in active development before adding it to the list (i.e. screen writer(s) working on script, director has been hired, etc.).--TriiipleThreat (talk) 19:37, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Returning compliment

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You might want to keep this in your watchlist if you haven't already. ;) Jhenderson 14:56, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Have the pointed out comments been rectified? I cannot keep reviewing the article to check whether it has been done, so it would be best if you keep updating the status of the review from your side. I shall continue once the problems have been rectified; that's the way I review. Thanks. ~*~Ankit Bhatt~*~ 09:23, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

No problem, its just a formal notice since many nominators tend to be used to full-article reviews at one go. And thank you for the compliment :). Good luck! ~*~Ankit Bhatt~*~ 15:56, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

^_^

I am not lying about having dyslexia, nor am I lying about it being gone 4am...it most certainly is. I am not lying about anything. Of course, don't take my word for it, and I don't care if you don't. However I will apologies to you for my template warning which was uncalled for, and my crappy edit summary. ^____^ I am sincerely apologising for that, the template warning was nothing personal. --Τασουλα (talk) 03:23, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, you did, and so did I, like I said it's 4am here and the sun is up already -___-. If I'm being a total bitch, I'll usually own up to it pretty fast. And really, I do have trouble with my grammar and spelling and it's not because I'm poorly educated or choose not to spell correctly. I'll tell you what's interesting - I'm a a good reader. I read well, and always have done. And I don't like reading spelling-mistakes or poor punctuation/grammar in what I read, it really distracts me! I hate my own writing sometimes! I also hate having a temper and falling out with fellow Wikipedians. Unless that is, I'm reporting them for serious stuff. --Τασουλα (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, and I wish you the same :> --Τασουλα (talk) 18:44, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi Tenebrae. I wanted to say thanks for all the great editing you do. You have a keen eye, and I've learned a lot from watching your edits. Thanks, and keep up the good work! Safehaven86 (talk) 03:34, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Vanessa Paradis

I'm down the shore and won't be back until Wednesday night. I can attend to it then, unless you'd rather someone else do so more expedititously. You should also know that my most of my previous extended interactions with Wearformewesique were rather heated editorial conflicts in which others at ANI disagreed with some aspects of my position, so an uninvolved editor would be better for that reason. (I'd recommend Jc37 ). However, the sock puppetry issue doesn't require an admin; just go to WP:Sockpuppety Investigations to open an investigation. If the two are one and the same, they will take care of it. If this new account is someone else, again, I'll just take care of it when I get home. Nightscream (talk) 02:24, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Lucky bastard. Lemme know if you score an extra ticket. I haven't been to a press screening for a Marvel film since the last Hulk film.

As for the edits, I checked them out, and couldn't find what you described. You said Libby made the "same edit", but Hearfurmewesique's added info to the Personal life section, while Libby uncommented out an unsourced portion of the Early life section.

Also, a portion of the personal life info, specifically her relationship with Lenny Kravitz, was not unsourced; the two citations at the end of that passage both support it, so I restored it. The cites did not, however, support the year mentioned or the fact that it was "brief", so I omitted that. Nightscream (talk) 03:03, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Alright... that's enough. Prove the sockpuppetry bull$#!+ wrong and get off my case, get a checkuser if you're really itching for it. Also, if you keep calling clearly cited material "uncited" just because you didn't want to bother reading the sources that I worked hard to insert, and use that as an excuse to keep your tendentious edit war, I will report you for trolling the article. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 14:18, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

I have responded to your conflict here. Nightscream (talk) 17:14, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

whatcha think?

hello dear :) saw your edit on chris hemsworth page about not adding pics for decoration, was wondering if youd mind popping over to Natalie Portmans page and seeing if youd agree that some of her pics on there are decoration? if you do or dont, either way I'm good just wanted to get your opinion. happy editing. xx Xpinkxcasualtyx (talk) 07:21, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

thank ya kindly love :) i got rid of one of the 3 you mentioned on the talk page, the one i felt was more unnecessary than the others :) thanks so much for your assistance xx Xpinkxcasualtyx (talk) 19:42, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

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TASM:plot too big

I am trying to stay away from that department because I haven't seen the film but you have seen it and I think the plot might look too big. Jhenderson 19:54, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Not to mention I think we are going to have a Thanos situation with Norman Osborn. Jhenderson 19:56, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

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I wake up in the morning and the the plot seems huge again. This article probably needs semi-protection just because of this. Jhenderson 13:05, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Whoops. I already knew that guideline. I didn't know the actors name made the plot go over 700. Honest mistake. Jhenderson 15:22, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Don't you think that actors names should not be included in the word count, after all they are in parenthesis. The're not directly plot-related but they do help clarifying who is who in the sequence of the story--Eddyghazaley (talk) 15:36, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

It's getting hard to figure out how to trim that plot section when it's gone too far. After all I don't want to spoil the movie for me. Jhenderson

Hey check this out. Not notable? Jhenderson 22:47, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry! Number five I meant. It's not really the ranking (to me) it's actually the what makes it great/stand out scene about it that is interesting on a comic book website. Jhenderson

When I say number five I meant the ranking. They all seem to be the same link name. So you got to click the #five button. TASM is on number five already with them explaining why they thought it should be there. I am already going to include The Avengers in Films considered the best ever on the comic book section. Jhenderson

Ok which one? We either put that Michael Massee is the man in the shadows on the cast or the Footnote section. One or the other. Jhenderson

I was iffy with that too. Now if that was critical reception for a character of course it's useful to add the commentary but the reason why I said "testing" is it's something I wasn't sure of the addition. I don't care it's on there or not, it seems like a harmless addition though. I hope I ain't rambling too much today. P.S. Aren't you happy that X-Men: First Class is a good article. Jhenderson 01:00, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

An interesting read. This article claims that Ifans said it is not Norman Osborn. The site doesn't look reliable enough to add though. Jhenderson 17:56, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

The plot looks terrible again. Why did all the links disappear even. Jhenderson 19:44, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

The article should probably be protected.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 19:52, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

We tried and failed... :(Thanks, Your work is great(after all your a journalist) and often times your edits are based on a strong rationale. I would love to see some of your articles outside of Misplaced Pages.-- Eddyghazaley (talk) 20:08, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

I Just tried again. Hopefully the outcome will be different.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 20:21, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Critical response

I am trying to get a consensus of what negative review to use. We have so many choices I am not sure which one would be best. I am letting you decide that because you didn't care of the Reelview addition. Jhenderson 13:07, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Just a formal conversation here. Did you like TDKR. I bet you did. Jhenderson 16:34, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Well I am sure you liked it better than TASM. I wished it was better even though I enjoyed it. The Avengers is hard to beat. Jhenderson 20:06, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

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Marvel's The Avengers

This is false. Ain't it? Jhenderson 22:37, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Well the particular article seems to use what the article title of the film is. For example: Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone instead of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. But I will not be bothered on it if you are not. Jhenderson 23:19, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Thank you for helping keep an eye on Prometheus (film)! Although it looks like I was concerned for nothing :P Darkwarriorblake (talk) 17:57, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

FILMPLOT culling

Thanks for your adherence to WP:FILMPLOT in culling the 6th Day. I've done good myself with that of The A-Team . What do you think of the Plot section of Con Air? I've restored a previous version worked over by Masem last year, but Bzuk claims his restored version is supposedly "superior" and challenges other people to take it to the talk page. Want to take a crack at it? Some people claiming superiority and ignoring the Plot rules, that is rich. --Eaglestorm (talk) 14:35, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

New articles

Hi Tenebrae,

Don't believe I've spoken to you in awhile, Here are a few articles which I've created since March: Gary Cohn (comics), Cary Burkett. and Ron Randall. Hope that all is well with you and that you're having an enjoyable summer.

Best regards,

Mtminchi08 (talk) 00:38, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Con Air

What happened to discussion? Wasn't BRD in effect? FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:08, 16 July 2012 (UTC).

Critical response 2

Apparently the critical reaction of TASM seems to look like a POV slant to some people. I want to hear your opinions. Jhenderson 15:01, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I was editing before I noticed your discussion. What do you think of the ordering. My edit summary explained how I put the pieces together. You like that or do you still prefer the suggestion that you put in the discussion page? Jhenderson 18:12, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

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Lily Cole

Hello, I hope this isn't too forward - but I noticed your interest in birthdates and that general area. I wonder what your take would be on Lily Cole, a page I'm currently involved in a "dispute" about of sorts. Sites like the IMDB and Fashion Model Directory list her birthdate as May 19, 1988. British Birth Records at ancestry.com list Lily Luahana Cole, and there is only one of course, as having had her birth registered in February 1988 (which means she could have been born that month or one or two prior, but not three months later). The Observer, a newspaper, stated on January 6, 2008, that Lily Luahana Cole had "just turned 20" (implying a birthday around January 1988). This reference is used as a source for her middle name in the article, which no one has questioned. Link here. The Evening Standard, dated February 26, 2004, states that Cole is 16 at that time. Link here. Lily Cole also has a verified Twitter account. On December 27, 2011, she twitted "24" with a picture of a birthday cake (implying a December 27, 1987 birth date). Link here. That was a bit vague, I admit. However, the night following, someone twitted her wishing her a happy birthday, and she replied "thank you Palak!". Link here. I'd say that is an open-and-shut case given that last bit of information, as well as The Observer, birth records, and the unreliability of IMDB and the like. Thoughts? All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 18:31, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

You know what, I don't have a problem with "circa December 1987 or January 1988". That sounds reasonable to me. I twitted Lily Cole asking her to confirm her birthday last night. Maybe she will reply and we can get the exact one. But I can support Dec 1987/Jan 1988. Just not May! All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 18:31, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

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I'm in great need of your advice/opinion. Peta Wilsons page stated her height in the infobox, which I removed because height is only stated for athletes, dancers, etc when it's relevant. Right? Another editor keep reverting it back saying it is relevant and he personally thinks actors should apply. Am I wrong or what should I do? Lady Lotus (talk) 00:57, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you dear :) If she was a model, I see how that would apply but not if it was brief or if she wasnt known for it yea? I dont know, I trust whatever you decide. xx Lady Lotus (talk) 01:03, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for looking into it and weighing in. I appreciate it :) Lady Lotus (talk) 05:56, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

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Any celebrity or well-known person

Hi. I have some questions just for my edification and future reference. What is the difference between the detail in a "Personal life" section on a person that is ok to post and will stay, and trivia or fan-type information that supposedly isn't? Just curious on how WP defines it, if the difference can be definable in some way. I see many details on the "Personal life" on any famous person on WP that could easily be categorized as unimportant trivia/fan-type information that shouldn't be there. So, is there some well-defined line on one side that WP says is ok to post, but not ok to post on the other side of the amorphous, arbitrary, undefined line? How important does some information have to be before it is labeled important compared to trivia and needs to be removed? What is the difference an encyclopedia (that WP says is what it is) and other sources of information on a person that makes a difference on what is allowed to stay or not? Are you a higher-level admin. or just another editor with no connection to WP except as an editor, since we never know if the change/deletion should be challenged and reverted if it is only a matter of opinion between two (or more) ordinary editors? Thanks. Katydidit (talk) 00:22, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Christy Lemire

Don't edit on TASM now because a Guild of copy-editor is working on it but I am on a hunt to find Christy Lemire's review of the film. I haven't seemed to find it. Jhenderson 20:13, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

The copy-editor is done. So can you find the actual source for Christy Lemire's review? Also it is worth noting he has recommendations for the page that I would like to see more opinions on the matter of.Jhenderson 14:16, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I think we need to summarize the viral campaign section some how. How good are you on making a section smaller. Also what do you think on the Theme section and comment of the article being too big. Jhenderson 17:33, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I was hoping for a theme section (they are great for FA's) but I didn't know it had to be more than a creator's perspective on the subject. Researching the critic's analysis would be much tougher. Jhenderson 20:49, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Roswell/Sunrise

Hi Tenebrae, Please see my latest on the Roswell Talk Page. I fear we are in for a "edit war" with a rather strange organisation. Be glad of your views and could you please support protection for the Roswell page? Best regards, David. David J Johnson (talk) 23:58, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your help.David J Johnson (talk) 09:36, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Hello Tenebrae, Please see my latest contribution to this problem on Dennis Brown's Talkpage. It appears from the SUNRISE website that they are planning to edit the Roswell UFO page as soon as it becomes available for unregistered IP addresses on 31 August, no doubt they will also start the personal, unsigned comments on individual Talk Pages. Whilst it may be advisable to wait and see, if this happens - then more action may be required? Regards, David. David J Johnson (talk) 20:53, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

The Wolverine

Hey, I know your busy but I was wondering if you might be willing to help archive the references at The Wolverine (film). Thanks.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:50, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

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I agree, the justification for use is there. I noticed that we have a duplicate file, File:Strangeadventures207.jpg, which is a smaller file and better quality image. I think we can switch this file in for the others use. I think you uploaded both files some years ago, and im guessing you hadnt noticed it was uploaded twice. PS, thanks so much for the uploads, love Neal's work, i found this when i created Category:Comics covers by Neal Adams.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 19:30, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

About IP trolls

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Lion eyes

Already added All-Negro, & I've seen Lion Man described as "superhero" in a putatively RS. (If the source is wrong, I'm happy to see Falc resto'd in his place.) TREKphiler 23:35, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Actually, where I saw it was an online history of All-Negro, but that was by somebody I'm not sure was qualified to know the diff. (Neither do I have the web address...) As said, I'm happy to leave it, absent better sourcing. I do hope, tho, you don't object if better sources turn up supporting Lion Man. TREKphiler 00:51, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Fair 'nuf. I'll also confess I may have overstepped a trifle taking Falc out, but that was as much to avoid a contradiction as anything. (I've always thought Panther was first, myself... ;p ) Also, as the edit summary says, IMO the claim needs citing on the page where it's made (& that's been my experience), if only to avoid driveby fact-taggers; so, I resto'd the cite. Ciao. TREKphiler 01:01, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

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I have declined this because you are at 3RR, you haven't exceeded it. Of course if you revert again within the next few hours you will have exceeded it, but I think you know that. Try to work it out on the talk page. Dougweller (talk) 11:40, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

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Please comment on notability

Not sure if this is the right place to put this, but I didn't want to get into a discussion on the talk page. Please comment on my notability request on the talk page for list of African Americans. Do you feel that the judgment of Wikipedians is more significant than general notoriety? thanks Mcusa (talk) 15:34, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, we are different people - not sure how to prove it! Mcusa (talk) 15:54, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

13:53, 8 August 2012 (UTC) - My point is that we can come up with lists or criteria of what we think is notable - but if notability is established outside of these criteria we should include it. I realize this only works in general for contemporary achievements. If we come up with a predetermined criteria, we are ignoring this. That might be okay, but please address this issue. Thanks! Mcusa (talk) 17:18, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: Dude!

I just saw this and seeing that nobody has picked up on it yet, I thought I'd give you the honors.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 21:00, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

You've been mentioned at AN/I

Your name has come up in a conversation at WP:AN/I. The section is titled "User:Malik_Shabazz repeatedly deleting my talk page comments". — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 22:44, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Stanley

Hi Tenebrae, thanks for the heads up about Stanley Tucci. I should have discussed before changing the birthdate–I didn't realize it was a tricky issue. I'll see if I can dig anything up and I'll add it to the talk page. Thanks! Safehaven86 (talk) 01:14, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

76.189.114.163

I warned them (and Floquenbeam did at the same time as I was...). But, you need to not push their buttons or taunt them either.

Step back. Hopefully they will as well, and both of you can reengage on the content without the interpersonal conflict etc.

Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 02:16, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Some progress made today, but a bone to pick

Hi Tenebrae. I realize now may not be the best time to approach you considering what you and the IP user are going through, but at the risk of beign untimely, I thought I would drop by and leave you a note that I hope you will take to heart. I care about my reputation and contributions to WP very much -- it is why I have decided to stay above the fray throughout all the drama unleashed on the article's talk page and even my own. I appreciate the fact you and the IP user have sought out the solicitation for intervention in regards to the comments you and the IP user have been having over the last several days on the article's talk page, which at times, has drifted over to my talk page as well. While I respect any decisions you may make for remediation between you two, I do feel you were lumping my actions in with the actions displayed by you and the IP when you made your requests for admin intervention. I don't believe it is fair for a user like me to have my "walls of text" equated to barbs traded by both of you. Furthermore, upon your asking for spacing between my paragraphs, I agreed that I would do such upon your first request. Just like when both you and the IP user recommended I sign each of the paragraphs with my user handle so as not to confuse readers who might've written the material, I complied with both of you on your first request. Additionally, the way in which you wrote to the admins made it sound like you and I have never agreed on anything, when in fact if you look at the talk page, we agree on much. There are even a few items that you, the IP user, and myself agree on. Yet you wrote to them expressing I desire a "major overhaul," when in fact what I've asked for equate to lead improvements and inclusion criteria. Secondarily there is poor writing contained within some of the listings and some of the listings themselves are weak when it comes to "notable and historic" and like you, have called for some of the listings to be removed or added to an entirely different article. As I stated on the talk page, I think you have strengths which the article could use, namely your writing skills. I hope whatever stress has resulted from the back-and-forth between you and the IP user will not lead to your leaving of the article. Zepppep (talk) 04:19, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I was going to revert the edit made today by Docurate until I noticed 4 of the first 11 listings were all religious. I then thought it would be cherry picking on my part. I think you might want to leave something on the talk page explaining it a bit more, or at least why that one was reverted while the other religious ones remain. Zepppep (talk) 23:43, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Here goes...I've seen experienced editors move talk page content when the comments added might be better served under a new or different thread. I've had this done to me and done it to others, in both instances we've always been OK with it because experienced editors assume good faith -- and it does keep a consistent layout. The words and tone in which you reacted showed that is lacking a bit between we two and that WP's fourth pillar is not being observed. You mentioned how moving talk page comments were a breach of etiquette and protocol, but interestingly enough the first item listed on WP:etiquette is assume good faith and both it and the WP:Talk page guidelines articles are purposefully ambiguous about moving comments (it is, however, quite clear on not editing comments) because I suppose when editors got together and formulated a bullet point list, they knew assuming good faith and looking at an editor's intentions would better serve than a long list of specifics which may never be specific enough. I (simply) moved your paragraph beginning "on a different note" to a new thread. I didn't alter or delete any portion of your comments. You can check the article's talk page and see I've proffered apologies (specifically mentioned in the etiquette guideline) if I admittedly made a mistake or if another editor brought it to my attention -- they do exist because no matter how experienced the editor, I've yet to see a perfect one yet. Assuming good faith and being quick to apologize is a step in the right direction, however. Zepppep (talk) 00:22, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Requesting your opinion

Which is the better table; this or this? Feel free to comment on the articles talk page. Thanks.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 12:16, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Just letting you know, Shoxee1214 has proposed another change.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 00:37, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Man of Steel

Hey, would you mind taking a look at the Man of Steel article and adding/removing anything that could help bring it to the standard of other superhero-related articles such as The Avengers? Rusted AutoParts 14:09, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Kubert

Not that I necessarily disagree with you, but the so called "anonymously sourced tweet" was actually from Dave Gibbons - a notable artist. – Connormah (talk) 07:29, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Connormah. Certainly I (and hopefully any comics reader of taste!) knows Dave Gibbons' work. It was his phrase "Reliable source confirms" that I was referring to as "anonymously sourced." No editor of anything but a gossip magazine would take that as credible, let alone editors of an encyclopedia. But as you'd mentioned, we agree on the principle and it's good to have discussed. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:27, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Revert on How I Met Your Mother (season 8)

Hi there. Please explain this recent edit of yours. There is no reason for me or any other editor (like User:AussieLegend who cleaned up that link) to understand why this should be considered "linkspam" and you failed to explain it in your edit summary or the talk page, so further clarification is required in order to assess this edit correctly (since you removed valid apparently sourced information). Regards So Why 08:49, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

CC of reply at Talk:How I Met Your Mother (season 8)

I can see why there's confusion, but that's not how it went. The actor I removed here was the only actor in a list headed "Guest stars". Not Cast, not Recurring, just Guest stars. Secondly, the only cite for it was BreakingNewsBuzz.com, which is a non-notable, non-RS site. Obviously it wouldn't look like linkspam unless you had also looked at all the other pages where the same editor was adding links to BreakingNewsBuzz.com — his own site, and one so marginal it was speedily deleted. So, yes, it was linkspam — and as far as I can tell, that linkspam cite remains removed, so I'm not quite sure what the problem, if any, is? Confusedly yours, Tenebrae (talk) 23:26, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Heritage Auctions

Hi Tenebrae. I've been speaking with James Halperin and have skimmed through the edit history on the articles on himself and Heritage Auctions. I understand the frustration and he seemed apologetic. I was wondering if we could start fresh.

This is me. I have no connection to prior edits and my approach to WP:COI is to work primarily through Talk pages. You can see examples of my work at Honeywell Aerospace, Eze Castle Integration and Hubspot. In each of these examples, I offered quality content and discussion on the Talk page, as suggested by WP:COI and allowed impartial editors to make final content decisions. I also added information about layoffs and legal controversies to articles I had a COI with.

My charter in this case is to improve the quality - not the balance - of the articles. This includes cleaning up prior V/NPOV violations. I hope prior editing behavior will not lead to assumptions on my objectives or my content contributions.

I don't have a specific request or discussion point at the moment, except to introduce myself under the hopes we may collaborate in good faith in the future from the Talk page and to let you know you shouldn't see problematic editing in the article-space anymore.

Best regards User:King4057 02:13, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Sam Claflin

The birth registration says "Registration district: Ipswich" and "Inferred County: Norfolk, Hertfordshire, Suffolk". So should we just say he was born in the town of Ipswich? Norfolk, Hertfordshire, and Suffolk are counties in that area, not towns. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 22:07, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm fine, thank you. :-) I see that without a subscription, the town itself is not visible on the ancestry.com record (nor is the date of registration), so I can understand the confusion. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 22:15, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

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Face Off

There is no need to provide a citation to an online source just because Castro is not included on the official website (for reasons either because of his elimination in the first episode or his disqualification). The first episode has aired and he was featured within it. That should be enough. Also we don't need to single him out for not being included on the official website in our materials.—Ryulong (琉竜) 19:44, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

There was also no reason for you to remove the list of guest judges from the lede. It's reliably sourced and not "promotional" or "describing things that haven't happened yet". The season's already been filmed in full, so therefore these events have happened, even if they have not been broadcast yet.—Ryulong (琉竜) 19:59, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

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Peer reviews?

Do you offer peer reviews of articles? Zepppep (talk) 15:39, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Larry Doby was made a GA today. After it did, I thought of having it get a peer review to help it to get to FA one day, and the first editor I thought of to do this was you. I'm not sure if it interests you or not but if you'd like to give any look its way, it'd be much appreciated. I also see you may have some experience in working with non-free images. There is a photo of Doby and a former teammate, Steve Gromek, that would be great to add to the article. I was told by the GA reviewer the photo met non-free image criteria for inclusion. I don't know much about that whole process but if you have any advice to share, that'd also be much appreciated! Cheers! Zepppep (talk) 00:13, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Your PR and corrections of the Larry Doby article are much appreciated, Tenebrae! Thank you very much for your advice, detailed edit summaries, and attentive eye that let nothing pass through the cracks! Your help will likely allow for the article to become a FA one day. Please let me know if I can return the favor in any way. Cheers! Zepppep (talk) 23:21, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

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Mila Kunis, questions to you have gone unanswered

I've tried to communicate with you, but to no avail for reasons I'm puzzled on why. The following is from my talk page in response to your post:

I have some questions. What does RfC signify or mean? Many editors don't know all those inside knowledge or detailed wiki abbreviations and there was no link on it. Secondly, why does the page for her to be set in stone as it was while this reassement GA idea is being considered for changing? I tried to make it better to address the concerns addressed by others, and was promptly reverted. That doesn't seem to be the correct thing to do. Is there only one administrator/editor who makes the decision on the GA notation or more than one? When is it going to be made and if so, can it be offered up for re-consideration as a GA with future edits by ordinary editors, or only by admins? This whole thing seems to be something similar to a witch hunt because of a couple of lines in one bad section, as noted by others. Third question: I posted the now-deleted section showing her guest television appearances because I saw it on another celebrity web page and didn't know it was going to be considered 'fannish' compared to the Film and Television series that can also be very long with an established star, and nobody deletes those long sections. So there's a lot of hypocrisy and crocodile tears about the overall length of a web page, but it's all subjective to the admins who just love to quickly revert someone's sincere updates. I went to a lot of effort to do that to make sure it was accurate over many hours of research. Editors (none of them on a wiki-page 'View History' tab listing) aren't identified as admins and seem to be more privileged than others in having their edits/reverts stand, while other ordinary editors' updates are reverted quickly. I wish someone would have told me before I got to 2010 or earlier, that it was going to be reverted. Thank you, if you could please address my concerns so I don't waste my time doing future updates to any wiki page, because it feels like a kick in the stomach. --(orig.) Katydidit (talk) 03:57, 25 August 2012 (UTC) --Katydidit (talk) 12:54, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

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Heritage Auctions

Hi Tenebrae. I wanted to get your opinion on a few things:

What do you think about us creating a summary with a "See Main Article" and creating a separate article on Notable Auctions by Heritage Auctions? The reason being that the Notable Auctions section will be so long, it would otherwise just take over the article and make anything else hard to find.

In many cases reliable secondary sources publish speculative "expected" prices for upcoming auctions. I feel this falls under our rules for crystal ball and that those prices are likely fed to them by HA to raise bidding expectations. Are you comfortable with us using primary sources at HA.com to verify final auction prices?

We're also discussing the controversies. I find that the dinosaur controversy needs substantial expansion as it was a major event involving senior officials of Mongolia, where substantial sourcing exists. The lawsuit on the other hand. It probably seemed newsworthy when it was first reported, but knowing the outcome of the ruling and the lack of sources of the level of the Associated Press as can be found throughout other areas of the article, I believe it was a trivial matter. In a BLP case, we would probably remove it, but I am unsure how we would handle it for companies. Is it an undue problem? Of course an inquiry about whether we should remove controversial material from a COI puts a strain on AGF, but I'm asking honestly, seeing that it seems it was dismissed and followed up by a restraining order.

User:King4057 21:01, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

List of Marvel Cinematic Universe cast members

Can you please look into a situation at List of Marvel Cinematic Universe cast members, regarding the inclusions of young roles. I am at my three-revert limit. I have warned the IP and engaged discussion on the talk page to no avail. Thank you.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:15, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

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Obtaining images

Do you have any advice (or know of any editors who might specialize) in obtaining free-use images? I have tried dozens of the sites here but still no luck in finding an image of the subject free for use. I am also filtering results in Google Images and see one of the photos not allowed to be used freely is the pictured used in the lead of an article; is the editor who posted the picture simply obtaining it from a different source, or...? Zepppep (talk) 13:20, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)

Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page.

In this issue:

Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
Research: The most recent DR data
Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

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Chris Hemsworth

Hello you :) I went to Part of me 2 talk page to discuss their continuous unnecessary edits on Hemworth's page and noticed you already had, thanks for that :) I know you're just doing your job but as always, I appreciate it. At this point I had to undo another edit making it the 4th revert (I thought it was only 3) and from no response what so ever from them, I'm at a loss. Ideas? Lady Lotus (talk) 04:09, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Demi Moore

Your edit summary alone made me laugh out loud :P I had no idea I was diving into the middle of that kind of debate, I just saw the million references contradicting each other and figured 'oh quick fix' just to simplify it. Ohh dear so wrong. I surrender lol Thanks for the heads up love, and I won't run away...just quickly walk away in the other direction ;) xx Lady Lotus (talk)

Kermode IP

Can you please assume some good faith and drop the stick about the IP editor maybe being Mark Kermode trying to promote himself? The user has clearly said that "my only connection to Kermode is to listen to his weekly BBC podcast" - if you think they are outright lying, then by all means seek some dispute resolution on that, but snide comments like "How fannish (or self-promoting) can one get?" really don't make for a collegiate editing environment. Enthusiastic fans can become incredibly useful editors if they stick around long enough to appreciate relevant policies - simply dismissing their suggestions as "fannish" and moving on isn't a very helpful way to build an article. --McGeddon (talk) 16:24, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm 100% with you on defending Misplaced Pages against COI problems (I delete a lot of spam, and watch quite a few articles where IP addresses are oddly keen to talk the subject up or erase unsavoury truths), but to be honest, beyond the minor three-revert edit war over you removing the top ten, I can't see that the IP has been at all antagonistic here. His or her edit summaries are perfectly neutral, and the worst that can be said is that he or she makes one snip of high-handedness when taking the matter to the talk page ("I am happy to do what Tenebrae should have done").

It's a danger with IPs on biography articles, but you seem to have seen a bit of a WP:MASTODON here - as well as skimming over "my only connection to Kermode is to listen to his weekly BBC podcast" and continuing to attack the editor for COI suspicions, you also seem to have overlooked the user agreeing that "the majority of I would consider to be clear improvements" and - as far as I can tell - have continued to operate under the assumption that the editor not only remains in favour of all the "fannish" content, but wrote every word personally. When the IP took the top ten to the talk page as you suggested, your response was to briefly say that the list was trivia (which is fine) and then to suggest at length that the IP could well be Mark Kermode himself trying to "elevate" himself above other critics (which doesn't help if what we actually have is a long-term IP editor who made some naïvely fannish edits a year ago but understands Misplaced Pages better now).

The approach I aim for is always just to carry WP:AGF in one hand, and a clear 2x4 section of whatever precise policy makes their edit inappropriate in the other. Going on the offensive might scare away a genuine COI, but it's just as likely to anger them into sockpuppeting or legal threats. And it never helps against an innocent editor. --McGeddon (talk) 09:47, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

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Bot not providing notice

Hi, Carnildo: Your bot appears to be deleting images without first asking the uploader to provide a FUR, as it usual and as image-copyright checker User:Sfan00 IMG, for example, does. Many images are appropriate that may lack full FUR information that can be readily added, as other editors specializing in copyright issues note. I believe your bot, as Misplaced Pages bots sometimes do, is operating over-aggressively and may need a tweak, as bot operators often will do. I hope we can discuss this, since giving unloaders notice is the generally accepted practice. --Tenebrae (talk) 15:10, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

I assume you're referring to ImageRemovalBot when you say "your bot": I've running two of them right now, and have run others in the past. By the time ImageRemovalBot gets involved with an image, it's already been deleted. The bot does not delete images or flag them for deletion, it simply carries out some cleanup actions related to the deletion.

If, on the other hand, you're referring to ImageTaggingBot, it should be giving notice when it tags an image for deletion, and failure to do so usually indicates a bug in the bot. If that's the case, then please give examples so I can fix the problem.

On the unlikely chance that you're referring to FairuseBot or OrphanBot, keep in mind that they haven't run in years; however, they both should have given notice, although in both cases the rules for deciding who to notify are complex, and the bot may have picked another user as the best person to notify. Again, examples would help in figuring out what happened. --Carnildo (talk) 00:09, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

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Italics vs quote marks in comic titles

May I draw to your attention that Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Titles indicates that italics should be used both for comics themselves AND also for comic strips within comics. So for example the strip Judge Dredd appears in the comic 2000 AD. Thanks. Richard75 (talk) 21:15, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

From Comic strip: "A comic strip is a sequence of drawings arranged in interrelated panels to display brief humor or form a narrative, often serialized, with text in balloons and captions." That is precisely what Judge Dredd is, and there is no reason to treat it differently because it is published in an anthology. Richard75 (talk) 22:02, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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Tony Anthony

Was not sure if you had WT:ACTOR on your watchlist, but it looks like the anonymous IP who edited Tony Anthony (actor) started a discussion about your recent exchange here. You may want to articulate the reasons for your article edits at that discussion and help this editor learn the ropes. Erik (talk | contribs) 18:21, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

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Dredd

I may be wrong but in a world where people are called Zwirmer, Freel, Madelaine and Japhet, why can the guys name not be Clan Techie? Even if it isn't his birth name. It seems unlikely that a minor opening character like Zwirmer has a name and a more prominent one does not. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 15:39, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Robert Kirkman

Thanks. But which edit? This one or this one? Nightscream (talk) 23:07, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Infobox

When it comes to infoboxes, and children/relatives aren't notable, is it still acceptable to list them and their birth dates? I thought it wasn't, only if it they were noted like Rumer Willis to Bruce Willis, or is it just based off consensus? Lady Lotus (talk) 17:54, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

No problem, thanks love :) Lady Lotus (talk) 18:30, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

In the {{Infobox person}} documentation, it says: "For privacy reasons, consider omitting the names of children of living persons, unless the children are independently notable." Therefore, if the children are not notable enough for their own Misplaced Pages article, I only list the number of children in that field. Now that's standard practice for the infobox. For the article text, it's a different story. Elizium23 (talk) 18:54, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Yea thats what I do, i'll do the number of children they have then whatever child is notable, (ex: Tom Hanks, Bruce Willis, etc.) I tried doing that on the Mitt Romney page, seeing as how none of his sons are notable so i just put "5" and it was heavily argued that all 5 of them should be listed with their birth years next to it. So now its up for discussion on the talk page, would you be willing to add your two cents to that? Lady Lotus (talk) 21:06, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

RS listing

Could you possibly list all the sources that WP considers unreliable, so we can all know what they are and avoid referencing them? Or conversely, could you possibly list all the sources that WP *does* consider reliable so we know that referencing them will make the statement (whatever it might be) stick as a RS? Otherwise, how will we know in advance which ones are which, and it would be hit-or-miss which sources are ok to use, so we can avoid possible reverting for that specific un-RS reasoning? Thanks in advance! --Katydidit (talk) 00:08, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

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Lady Lotus (talk) 17:59, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Don McGregor

Tenebrae, I noticed yesterday that McGregor was credited as writing one of the last episodes of Ben 10: Ultimate Alien (see List of Ben 10: Ultimate Alien episodes no49 - "Night of the Living Nightmare") but it's not mentioned in his biography. I wondered as you've written most of McGregor's biography whether you thought it was relevant and should be added or not? In his obituary of Dwayne McDuffie here McGregor seems to attach some significance to his writing of the episode but that could just be down to his connection with McDuffie. So what's your point of view? Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 06:23, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes it was in seeing the episode myself that I caught the credit and investigated whether it was the same McGregor or not. Though I have to say due to poor scheduling in the UK I've missed most of that particular series and it was just down luck I happened to see it that time. I'll keep looking for a third party source, and raise it on the talkpage if I fail. I note that IMDB is missing the credit highlighting why it's so unreliable. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 08:58, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	for being such a lovely editor and good teacher. :) Lady Lotus (talk) 14:42, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Wreck-It Ralph

Hey, and thanks for your comment on my sandbox. You are more than welcome to make any changes you want, and yes, I completely agree it's way too long (last count I had was 1020+ words). The reason I posted it was to get other ideas of what to cut out to get it down to the proper size. I opened a discussion about it here if you'd like to chime in. --McDoob AU 93 04:12, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

I got it down to 691 words, before wikilinking. I removed a lot of the tiny details that would require excessive linking, but kept some of the major ones, notably the in-joke involving the film's climax (I know you've seen it, but in case other readers of your talk page haven't). I plan on posting it at or after 00:00 UTC (8:00pm EDT) tonight. If you have other thoughts, tweaks, etc., please feel free to make them! --McDoob AU 93 17:10, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Marvel Studios#Request for comment

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Marvel Studios#Request for comment. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:22, 26 October 2012 (UTC)Template:Z48

Speedy deletion converted to PROD: Deconstruction Red (2012)

Hello Tenebrae. I am just letting you know that I have converted the speedy deletion tag that you placed on Deconstruction Red (2012) to a proposed deletion tag, because I do not believe CSD applies to the page in question. Thank you. JohnCD (talk) 23:58, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Journey into Mystery

Hello. Can you clarify which bit of the MOS you are citing here? Thanks, Morwen - Talk 12:25, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello. I'm safely away on a different continent, thanks. I hope you, your friends and family are well.

I don't see the bit you quoted - beyond the sourcing requirement - applies to the very limited amount of text I added to Journey into Mystery, which was hardly even a plot summary, compared to say, your example citation at Spider-Man#Fictional_character_biography which is far more detailed. Certainly, I should have sourced it. If I cite satisfactory secondary sources for it (which certainly exist!), would it be permitted to stay? Gillen's run has been critically acclaimed, and has attracted lots of critical commentary, which would be odd to include without the barebones outline of plot that I included. For example, the article currently doesn't mention Leah, a major character in Gillen's run, and that he created, at all: is any mention of her at all impermissible?

You point out that plenty of comics articles fail to make the required standards. You give as examples two articles about comic book characters Spider-Man and Superman. But neither of them are about books (there have been books by those name but they have articles at Peter Parker: Spider-Man and Superman (comic book)), so they cannot exactly act as guides for Journey into Mystery. Are there any articles about titles that you think are good examples? If I understand your position properly, you would say that for example Avengers vs. X-Men is mostly blow-by-blow summaries of the type that should be removed? (which I happen to agree with) Morwen - Talk 22:26, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your statement of your position. I'll have a look at that and see what I can do. Morwen - Talk 23:37, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again about this but on checking The Amazing Spider-Man, the entire section The Amazing Spider-Man#Publication history cites very few secondary sources, the few that are are behind the scenes information: the brief descriptions of plot seem only to be sourced to the individual issues. Presumably you overlooked that when you recommended it as a model? Morwen - Talk 23:47, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

I have added a short sentence, backed with 4 citations, to the article now, to see whether you summarily revert it. Morwen - Talk 07:40, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Help with grammar

Was this edit grammatically correct? I know you're a writer and my English isn't always perfect.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 12:34, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

The issue was with use of commas. We were not hurt too bad by Sandy where I am, just a lot of wind and rain. Thanks for asking, I hope you guys are doing alright too.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 00:13, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Stan Lee

Thanks for the backup at the Stan Lee article! I was pretty sure I was right. Cheers! Evanh2008 03:38, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Shoxee1214 (talk · contribs)

Can you help with this user, I am at my wits end, he insists on adding non-free images for the sole sake of illustration despite repeated warnings. Thank you.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 16:18, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Doctor Strange

Hey there, could you please take a look at this for me? BOZ (talk) 13:06, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

He's new, so I'll give him a chance to talk it out with you, and I'll keep an eye on it. BOZ (talk) 20:03, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I kind of suspected that myself, but would need an SPI to confirm. This is why I locked the page instead of issuing warnings. I can lock the page for longer if nonsense is resumed, although if we have a more serious problem then I'll head to SPI. BOZ (talk) 21:07, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey, you are very welcome. :) I've actually been an admin for a few years now, here. BOZ (talk) 01:15, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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Parsh (talk) 02:03, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

AN/I

The editor Albabe, who claims to be Al Gordon, has filed an AN/I report concerning you, which you'll find here. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:06, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi

You requested a citation source for a book I wrote, and after I posted it for you, you claimed I was shamelessly advertising myself. I honestly thought my citation would help matters... not piss you off. So I have asked for help over at WP:ANI section.

On the link you provided me I found:

"Links to potentially revenue-generating web pages are not prohibited, even though the website owner might earn money through advertisements, sales, or (in the case of non-profit organizations) donations."

I realize this above quote is for External Links and not the for the Citation I provided for you... but it was on the link you sourced.

In terms of my Citation, I'm trying to provide the most direct source of information for you.

albabe - The Writer/Artist Formally Known as Al Gordon 03:16, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the nice words! I just happened to have created the Goodman Beaver page recently, so the refs were right at hand. CüRlyTüRkey_Contribs 03:44, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok

Ok, so I find I've been poked lately (here for example) for not helping out as much in article space lately as I have in other areas. Soooo. As you've interacted with me in the past, I would guess you have a fair enough idea where you think I could help, I thought I'd ask you for some suggestions (before I wander over to WP:CMC and the more general notices there : ) - jc37 23:36, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Back in the game

Hey, jc — always good to see an old hand from back in the day! I think Doctor Strange needs work, though not as much as the scary-looking tag at top suggests. I know any comic with a current crossover story arc tends to need serious pruning from all the recentism imbalance that tends to collect. Those might be good places to start. Welcome back! --Tenebrae (talk) 23:43, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks much : )

I'll head over there and see what's what : ) - jc37 23:45, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

You know, I am embarrassed to say this, but in looking over the article, I am reminded I haven't been following Marvel lately (both in and out of the comics). I think the last time I was, we had just seen the introduction of the Red Hulk... (talk about time getting away from me - lol.)

I'll see if I can help out with some of the structural/organisational issues. - jc37 23:58, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

And sigh @ "back in the day". To me it doesn't seem anywhere near as long ago as my finger counting tells me it has been... - jc37 23:47, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

GCD

Hiding was always who I would go to for help with referencing. And he's semi-active again. I think it might be worth asking his thoughts on this. - jc37 02:04, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

WP:FILMPLOT

Tenebrae, I understand your desire to keep the Skyfall plot summary succinct, and while you are correct in saying that WP:FILMPLOT limits plot recounts to 700 words, please be aware that this is intended as a guideline, and not a hard and fast rule. If more than 700 words are needed, then more than 700 words are acceptable. As it stands, you are cutting out content related to Bond's physical and psychological state, which are not mentioned despite being key themes of the film. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 05:33, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

A second point: Talking about Bond's psychological /emotional state sounds like POV, since we can only state what actually appears on the screen.

... You were watching the film, right? It's made quite clear that, in order to return to the field, Bond must pass all the physical and psychological tests expected of an agent. He fails them, but M approves him for duty anyway. That's what the whole montage scene was all about; Bond is bothered by his shoulder injury when doing chin-ups, and later loses his grip whilst hanging from the elevator car. He misses the target during shooting practice, and misses Severine when Silva forces him to try and shoot the shotglass off her head. His physical and psychological state are definately explored in the film. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 05:44, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't see how it's just "an interpretation", as the film makes it pretty clear that a) Bond has to go through the tests to return to active service, and b) he failed them. If you don't believe me, look back to the briefing scene where Bond identifies Patrice as the man who shot him with a depleted uranium bullet: after he leaves, Tanner asks M whether Bond passed his tests. She says he didn't. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 05:53, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Looking back over SchroCat's edits, he was removing something that was mentioned twice.

My issue with the plot right now is that it mentioned Bond being shot twice in two sentences, with very little to differentiate them, and thus it might be confusing. It's certainly awkward to read. I feel it is better to cover the sharpnel from the wound Patrice gave Bond when the shrapnel actually plays a part in the story. Plots don't need to be recounted chronologically, and this version reads better. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 06:03, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Please stop trying to force through edits by threateneing administrator intervention. I have reverted your edits because they are not particularly well-worded. I doubt you have even read the edits I have made, because they are concentrating on a single sentence that I feel could be addressed differently. it is not a question of wording, but of content. Nevertheless, you insist that wording is the issue here. You have not even addressed the issue that I have raised.

Here is my problem:

In Turkey, MI6 agents James Bond and Eve attempt to recover a stolen computer hard drive containing details of agents placed undercover in terrorist organisations by NATO states. As they chase the mercenary Patrice, who killed MI6 agents to steal the drive, Patrice shoots Bond in the shoulder. Later as the two men grapple, Eve accidentally shoots Bond, who goes missing and is presumed dead.

I feel that this part in bold can be worded better. The problem is that in one sentence, the wording states that Bond is shot. Then it states that he is shot again. I find this to be awkward, and would like to change it because I feel it can be addressed better. Nevertheless, you insist on reverting my edits on sight. Even after I have raised the issue once already. If you report this to an adminstrator, then I will simply point out that you repeatedly reverted my edits without addressing any of the issues I raise.

Any further edits that I make to the plot subsection will only address the sentences I have highlighted in bold because of the issue I have with the wording that has Bond being shot twice in two sentences. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 06:15, 22 November 2012 (UTC)