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== How many non-Japanese were interned? == == How many non-Japanese were interned? ==
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The numbers cited in this article conflict with the numbers listed on this web page: http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5154/ , which states that 11,000 Germans and 3,200 Italians were ''arrested'', but only 5,000 and 300 were actually interned. Can someone check other sources to confirm which numbers are most accurate? Thanks, ] ] 12:57, 1 November 2012 (UTC) The numbers cited in this article conflict with the numbers listed on this web page: http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5154/ , which states that 11,000 Germans and 3,200 Italians were ''arrested'', but only 5,000 and 300 were actually interned. Can someone check other sources to confirm which numbers are most accurate? Thanks, ] ] 12:57, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
: According to Roger Daniels, "perhaps twenty-three hundred German nationals and a few hundred Italian nationals" were interned. Source, Roger Daniels, "Incarcerating Japanese-Americans", ''OAH Magazine of History, Vol. 16, No. 3, World War II Homefront (Spring, 2002): 19-23, 20 : According to Roger Daniels, "perhaps twenty-three hundred German nationals and a few hundred Italian nationals" were interned. Source, Roger Daniels, "Incarcerating Japanese-Americans", ''OAH Magazine of History, Vol. 16, No. 3, World War II Homefront (Spring, 2002): 19-23, 20

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Shouldn't source text belong somewhere else? -- Cimon Avaro on a pogo stick 01:07 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Any documentation for this?

An anonymous editor added this to the article

There is had been some speculation that President Roosevelt was not at all enthusiastic about Executive Order 9066, but given that Japanese Americans were already being subject to increasing harassment by White Americans, and that it would only be a matter of time before killings and large-scale race rioting would start, President Roosevelt would have thought internment to be a lesser evil than having riots occur during wartime.

Is there any documentation of this, or is it only "some speculation"? Frjwoolley 16:36, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

folly or assistance?

considering the hundreds that did diein the internment camps , did this really help out the one ore two people that would've been saved from racial attacks? or was this just to protect the government from terrorist attacks such as those witnessed recently around the world.

Please sign your comments by adding four ~'s to the end of your comment, like this: ~ ~ ~ ~ (taking out the spaces inbetween the ~'s). 169.229.121.94 01:06, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

DeWitt

It's my understanding, though I can't remember where I came across it, that John DeWitt, commanding General of the Pacific military district (cast defense and such) was the main factor in inducing Roosevelt to sign this. it is further my understanding that he lied and misrepresented, in a racist way (for personal reasons?), to make his case. If this is correct, in whole or part, it should be included here. Anyone got a citation, some source material, more info on DeWitt's actions or attitudes, Roosevelt's views on Fifth column stuff prior to the agitation for removal, ... Note that the area with the highest Japanes ancestry population (certainly in proportion if not absolute numbers) was Hawaii, and internment was very different and less strict there, with no protest from those responsible for its security.

We've got what seems to be a large missign bit here, people. Help?! ww 13:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

"Some" Italain and German Americans?

The raceism twords these two groups, still evident today, is down-played in this article.

ummm, one of those references was a dead link and a pair of them were simply linking to different parts of the same page. not to mention that upon reading the article it talks of internment of German/Italian nationals in one and German/Italian sailors and residents of south American nations in the other. BTW the racisms directed towards German and Italian Americans tends to be “downplayed” because its not as overt, widespread or serious as that directed towards people of color.

J Edgar Hoover opposed internment?

Following the link on this page to J Edgar Hoover leads to an article that says he was one of the most vocal supporters of internment. If the statement in this article is correct, then clearly some additional detail is needed. Did he change from opposing to supporting internment?

I'm sorry I don't have a direct reference for you but in all my research on Hoover, he never regretted his opposition to E.O. 9066. MattFoley Motivational Speaker (talk) 04:41, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Billions?

Losses incurred by those affected during this time were estimated in the billions of dollars.

Some quick math will show how this remark is just plain wrong. 130,000 people were effected by this order. If you accept the premise of the above line then $2,000,000,000/130,000=$16000 per person in 1941 dollars was lost. That is $16000, for each man, woman, and child. A family of four would have lost $64,000 during a time when the United States was still feeling the effects of the "Great Depression". How is this possible? Without a citation, I suggest that this line be removed.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.228.101.93 (talk) 06:08, 30 September 2006

It's an interesting claim whose substantiation would be historically relevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.254.227.45 (talk) 22:34, 6 March 2007
We need to include in the calculation the household incomes that would have been earned by the 130,000 internees during the course of the war. If one in three internees would otherwise have been employed, earning $5000 a year, that would work out to a quarter of a billion dollars per annum. We also need to include the values of the businesses that we effectively destroyed -- the shops, small manufacturers, and other enterprises that were owned by interned people and which they could not operate while interned. The calculation would need to include both the lost revenues, rents and leases, the depreciation of capital equipment material (often, no doubt, accelerated by neglect if not outright theft), and the opportunity costs of losing several years of operations. Some of the interned people owned real estate; they were deprived of the use of their property, or forced to sell it under grave duress. The difference in the value of education received by children in the camps, compared to those educated in the towns and cities, should be taken into account. MarkBernstein 14:52, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

merge

shouldn't this just merge with Japanese American internment? Rds865 (talk) 23:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I would agree with that. There's really no reason that this should be a separate entry. Inks.LWC (talk) 09:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
It is not the same thing, Executive Order 9066 is the formal reference to the order by FDR that provided the rationale and outline of why/how to carry out the internment of American citizens of decent of the enemy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.182.198.243 (talk) 01:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Photo Request

Why is there a request for photos for this article? We already have a photo of the executive order. If this article is about the order and not the internment itself, what other photos would we use? Inks.LWC (talk) 09:08, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Internment of Americans is not a right by the President to be used by his authority as Commander-in-Chief

This sentence is factually incorrect:


United States Executive Order 9066 was a presidential executive order issued during World War II by U.S. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt on February 19, 1942, using his authority as Commander-in-Chief to exercise war powers to send ethnic groups to internment camps.

At no time in U.S. history has the President ever had or used the power as Commander-in-Chief to intern Americans by their racial background. Therefore, it is not a part of his authority in the historical sense. This executive order is not regarded by any constitutional authorities to be a valid power for the President. The sentence needs to be changed. MattFoley Motivational Speaker (talk) 04:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Other nationalities?

Were any other Axis nationalities (e.g. Bulgarian, Romanian, Finnish, etc.) affected by the order? If so, it might be worth noting. Surv1v4l1st 23:21, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Japanese-American Citizens League

In an article by John Tateishi and William Yoshino (2000) published in Human Rights, it is mentioned that the JACL was responsible for pushing the government into creating the CWRIC. Should this be included? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marunabe (talkcontribs) 21:17, 25 November 2009 (UTC) hi the people died 2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.119.193 (talk) 14:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Query about the statutory authority for EO 9066

The article doesn't state where the authority to make Executive Order 9066 came from. Which statute was the president acting under?

Or did the president claim to be exercising a decree power inherent to the office of "commander-in-chief"?

78.16.25.242 (talk) 16:39, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

How many non-Japanese were interned?

The numbers cited in this article conflict with the numbers listed on this web page: http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5154/ , which states that 11,000 Germans and 3,200 Italians were arrested, but only 5,000 and 300 were actually interned. Can someone check other sources to confirm which numbers are most accurate? Thanks, Aristophanes68 (talk) 12:57, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

According to Roger Daniels, "perhaps twenty-three hundred German nationals and a few hundred Italian nationals" were interned. Source, Roger Daniels, "Incarcerating Japanese-Americans", OAH Magazine of History, Vol. 16, No. 3, World War II Homefront (Spring, 2002): 19-23, 20
More from Roger Daniels:

It is not yet possible-and may never be-to give precise figures, but the best "guesstimate" of the total number of resident "alien enemies" actually interned under Roosevelt's order of December 7th and 8th is something under 11,000 persons, about one percent of the total number of enemy aliens. By ethnicity some 8,000 Japanese, 2,300 Germans, and a few hundred Italians were actually interned.Many more-largely Germans and Italians-were arrested and held in custody for days and even weeks without being officially interned. Note that these figures amounted to about twelve percent of alien Japanese, about six/tenths of one percent of alien Germans, and less than one-one hundredth of one percent of alien Italians.

— Roger Daniels, "Incarceration of Japanese Americans: A Sixty Year Perspective", The History Teacher, Vol. 35. No. 3 (May 2002): 297-310, 300

FiachraByrne (talk) 19:08, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Just to clarify the Japanese figure above - Daniels appears to apply a stricter and more perhaps more accurate interpretation of internment that many and does not regard the other 110,000 Japanese who were rounded up as interned (prefers the term incarceration).FiachraByrne (talk) 19:22, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
  • If different sources give different numbers, should we attribute them? Instead of saying "11,000 were arrested" in wikipedia's voice, it's better to write "Daniels estimates that 11,000 were interned, but source X says Y, and source Z says ..." Dental plan / lisa needs braces! 13:23, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
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