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:*'''Comment''': And one ]. This seems terribly ham-handed to me. What's wrong with letting AfD participants know that a particular discussion is on the ARS radar? That doesn't hurt anything. Many articles get deleted despite it. For that matter, so what if you deleted and salted its predecessor? That decision may have been wrong, you know. Recall the ] is ]. ] (]) 09:37, 3 December 2012 (UTC) :*'''Comment''': And one ]. This seems terribly ham-handed to me. What's wrong with letting AfD participants know that a particular discussion is on the ARS radar? That doesn't hurt anything. Many articles get deleted despite it. For that matter, so what if you deleted and salted its predecessor? That decision may have been wrong, you know. Recall the ] is ]. ] (]) 09:37, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
*pbp nominates it for deletion days ago and doesn't mention it to the Wikiproject, then tries this stunt. I restored what was placed at the top, since obviously, this affects this wikiproject and thus should be mentioned here, like it would for any wikiproject who had this going on. Also, what was deleted before was the banner that appeared on the articles themselves, not this list which was created immediately as a replacement. ] 15:59, 3 December 2012 (UTC) *pbp nominates it for deletion days ago and doesn't mention it to the Wikiproject, then tries this stunt. I restored what was placed at the top, since obviously, this affects this wikiproject and thus should be mentioned here, like it would for any wikiproject who had this going on. Also, what was deleted before was the banner that appeared on the articles themselves, not this list which was created immediately as a replacement. ] 15:59, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
**The use of the rescue tag on the TfD of the rescue tag is highly inappropriate and amounts to canvassing. That's why this was placed under "Resolved: Wrong Forum", because of its inappropriateness. Also, WikiProjects do ''not'' need to be notify, and if they were, notification would not be in ''this section'' of a WikiProject <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">]]]</span> 19:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC) **The use of the rescue tag on the TfD of the rescue tag is highly inappropriate and amounts to canvassing. That's why this was placed under "Resolved: Wrong Forum", because of its inappropriateness. Also, WikiProjects do ''not'' need to be notify, and if they were, notification would not be in ''this section'' of a WikiProject <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">]]]</span> 19:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
***You honestly believe that a Wikiproject would not need to be notified if something concerning it was up for deletion discussion somewhere? Uh huh. Not bothering to debate that with you. And those that use this particular template end up here, so its the obvious place to place it so those using it will know what's going on. ] 19:30, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
*Note that this discussion concerns not the old banner which appeared inside articles at the top, but instead something unrelated, the tag that tells people in an AFD that the debate has been listed in this Wikiproject's list, as is standard for all Wikiprojects. ] 16:33, 3 December 2012 (UTC) *Note that this discussion concerns not the old banner which appeared inside articles at the top, but instead something unrelated, the tag that tells people in an AFD that the debate has been listed in this Wikiproject's list, as is standard for all Wikiprojects. ] 16:33, 3 December 2012 (UTC)



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Template:Rescue list

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Our template is being proposed for deletion. -ʈucoxn\ 20:20, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

This concerns people in this wikiproject obviously, so the members of it should be informed just like any other wikiproject would. Dream Focus 15:52, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Agha Syed Ali Sharfuddin Baltistani

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Article cites multiple offline, non-english-language sources, but no-one involved in the discussion has the ability to access or read those sources. The NPOV concerns which prompted the nomination have been largely addressed. ∴ ZX95 15:11, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

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Melya

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Melya was kept.

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The topic would benefit from improved sourcing and information to qualify its notability. I'm trying to research the topic in order to flesh it out. I'm also working on a different, already well-sourced and notable coffee beverage article that was not approved in its AfC process -- the outcome of the AfD discussion for Melya would provide useful rationale for whether or not I should continue working on Café Touba. ʈucoxn\ 19:46, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Template:Rescue list

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Wrong forum
Is not at AfD and has not been tagged

Our template is being proposed for deletion. -ʈucoxn\ 20:20, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Wrong forum: This is Article Rescue Squadron, not Template Rescue Squadron. Anyway, your old template was deleted and SALTed, and this is just a copy of that template, so it should be as well pbp 20:59, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  • pbp nominates it for deletion days ago and doesn't mention it to the Wikiproject, then tries this stunt. I restored what was placed at the top, since obviously, this affects this wikiproject and thus should be mentioned here, like it would for any wikiproject who had this going on. Also, what was deleted before was the banner that appeared on the articles themselves, not this list which was created immediately as a replacement. Dream Focus 15:59, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
    • The use of the rescue tag on the TfD of the rescue tag is highly inappropriate and amounts to canvassing. That's why this was placed under "Resolved: Wrong Forum", because of its inappropriateness. Also, WikiProjects do not need to be notify, and if they were, notification would not be in this section of a WikiProject pbp 19:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
      • You honestly believe that a Wikiproject would not need to be notified if something concerning it was up for deletion discussion somewhere? Uh huh. Not bothering to debate that with you. And those that use this particular template end up here, so its the obvious place to place it so those using it will know what's going on. Dream Focus 19:30, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Note that this discussion concerns not the old banner which appeared inside articles at the top, but instead something unrelated, the tag that tells people in an AFD that the debate has been listed in this Wikiproject's list, as is standard for all Wikiprojects. Dream Focus 16:33, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Albannach

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Not sure
Albannach closed No Consensus.

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Albannach is a Scottish traditional music band. --DThomsen8 (talk) 12:52, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Gay Robot

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Gay Robot was kept.

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I've added content and sources but more would be helpful. i know interviews on the subject have been done. Insomesia (talk) 02:17, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Fuzzball (sport)

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Fuzzball (sport) was kept.

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The topic would benefit from improved sourcing to qualify its notability. Northamerica1000 19:28, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

List of Indian castes

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This is a large list but someone wants to delete it on the grounds that he's the only person likely to maintain it and he doesn't want to. Warden (talk) 12:26, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Bangladesh Cement Manufacturers Association

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Bangladesh Cement Manufacturers Association was kept.

The Bangladesh Cement Manufacturers Association is a small developing country trade organization, but the article has two reliable sources and has been completely redone since the AfD nomination, to include links to member companies. --DThomsen8 (talk) 02:13, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

List of starships in Stargate

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Not sure
List of starships in Stargate closed with No Consensus.

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List of fictional elements that needs reception info. It's a bit harder to source than Star Trek or Star Wars equivalents because starships weren't the focus of SG-1 for the first few seasons. I've ordered half a dozen books on the topic, but they won't arrive before the AfD closes. Anyone got some good sci-fi sources that can help source the various entries to independent RS'es? Jclemens (talk) 07:11, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Linda Tripp

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Linda Tripp was kept.

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A truly absurd AfD IMHO. Tripp was a major player in what was arguably the single most important historical event in the United States during the late 1990s. Faustus37 (talk) 01:23, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Ancestry of the kings of Britain

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Ancestry of the kings of Britain was deleted.

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It needs renaming to Ancestry of the British monarchy, not deleting. Please help keep this important information for family history. Paul Bedsontalk00:21, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

This article is poorly focused, superficial, and arbitrary in its coverage. It was created as a way to get a single pedigree onto Misplaced Pages after it was deemed inappropriate on two other pages. It has since had material added with no particular plan or obvious organizational scheme to try to keep it from being deleted. What information it contains that is reliable is already provided in a more scholarly, more organized and more comprehensive fashion on other existing pages that would be reduced in their quality by merging this material into them. Nothing to save here. Agricolae (talk) 00:39, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

WIN/GIA

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Not sure
WIN/GIA was never nominated for an AfD.

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The Worldwide Independent Network/Gallup International Association (WIN/GIA) is a global association of independent market research and polling firms. The group was created in May 2010 when the Gallup International Association (GIA), created in 1947, and the Worldwide Independent Network of market research (WIN), created April 2007, merged. These two organizations were notable when formed, and remain notable when merged. When nominated for deletion, the article was undocumented, but it now has three inline citations. It needs more references, especially if an AfD is filed. --DThomsen8 (talk) 18:51, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Abdelaziz bin Ahmed Al Thani

 – WIN/GIA (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs|google) | AfD discussion

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Abdelaziz bin Ahmed Al Thani was kept.

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A Qatari prince who was also a cabinet member. There are probably sources for this. I get too many false positives because of his similarly named family members though... Lost patience. Tijfo098 (talk) 09:50, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Diary of a Bad Man

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Diary of a Bad Man was kept.

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This is an article on a British web series dealing with Islamic topics which has received well in excess of 35 million YouTube hits. In my view its notability issues have stemmed from two problems: (1) Several media outlets refer to it as "Diary of a Badman" and (2) It had inline citations but no "References" section, a problem since corrected. Once one gets past that, one finds plenty of significant coverage from folks like the BBC, The Guardian, Sky News and others. Faustus37 (talk) 05:17, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Coalition Fight Music

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Coalition Fight Music was deleted.

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Band/producers that produce "walk out" music for MMA groups including the United States' UFC and the UK/European group UCMMA. Owing to the way the sport is regarded, much of the press that Coalition Fight Music has received is online and/or not from the usual sports press (no Sports Illustrated articles...), so sourcing can be an issue. Article received its first PROD in June 2011 and received a second PROD (against policy) November 1. Would appreciate some ARS folks taking a look. Shearonink (talk) 14:47, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Anyone interested? I know that MMA is not some people's cup of tea, but it is a notable sport/form of entertainment. This group does *seem* notable, but it would be really helpful if some Squadroneers could attempt a rescue (if a rescue is feasible....if it's not, oh well). Shearonink (talk) 04:00, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

International reaction to the United States presidential election, 2008

 – International reaction to the United States presidential election, 2008 (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs|google) | AfD discussion

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International reaction to the United States presidential election, 2008 was kept.

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This is a good WP:LISTPURP with plenty of precedent on other election pages. Given its length I think it's appropriate to keep it separate rather than merge it. The aforementioned precedents are mainly in the election articles themselves, an exception being International reaction to the 2009 Iranian presidential election. I'm referring to "Reactions" sections in articles such as Greek legislative election, May 2012, Philippine general election, 2010, Russian legislative election, 2011, Turkish general election, 2011 and so forth. Under most circumstances I would prefer to have such information in the main election articles as well, but given its size I think it makes more sense to have a standalone article in this particular case. Faustus37 (talk) 08:04, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

International reactions to the United States presidential election, 2012

 – International reactions to the United States presidential election, 2012 (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs|google) | AfD discussion

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International reactions to the United States presidential election, 2012 was kept.

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Same reasons as similar article for 2008 listed below. Faustus37 (talk) 08:04, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

USA Technologies Inc.

 Resolved
USA Technologies Inc. was kept.

 – USA Technologies Inc. (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs|google) | AfD discussion
USA Technologies Inc. is a small technologically based company in Pennsylvania. --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:12, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Seven keeps, no deletes, tone corrected. --DThomsen8 (talk) 02:41, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Ian D. Marsden

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Ian D. Marsden was deleted.

 – Ian D. Marsden (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs|google) | AfD discussion
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He made the first Google Doodle ever. His work has been featured in a lot of notable media. Surely some sources about him can be found. Dream Focus 07:40, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

The Strawberry Alarm Clock

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The Strawberry Alarm Clock was kept.

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The revolution of farmers

 Resolved
The revolution of farmers was kept.

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Breast enhancement supplements

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Breast enhancement supplements was kept.

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  • The article was in this state (diff page) when nominated for deletion. Since then, it has been renamed from "Natural breast enhancement" to it's current title and has been significantly modified from its state at the time of nomination for deletion. Posting here for any interested in making further improvements to this start-class article by adding sources, expanding the article, etc. Northamerica1000 23:49, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Star Wars Episode VII

Not sure
Star Wars Episode VII was redirected but is now at DRV.

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  • The article would benefit from more earlier-dated sources to better-qualify the topic's notability. Many sources currently in the article are very recent. Northamerica1000 12:02, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
    • This is because the project has only become publicly known in the last week. This is an entirely new project from the loose whispers from Lucas 30 years ago, so there are no reliable sources more than a week old.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:07, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
      • Interestingly, there's actually some stuff out there that's more dated, although most appear to be passing mentions that are speculative or discuss the possibility of Star Wars Episode VII occurring. However, some of these sources could potentially be usable in the article to describe rumors, public perceptions, Lucas' reluctance to create more films, etc. Examples include: , , , , , . Northamerica1000 22:33, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
  • LOL, there's not much we can do with this, its an intensely popular subject right now. To some, it would be like nominating the Second Coming of Christ as a violation of WP:CRYSTAL.--Milowent 23:34, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
  • I added some info. I think Lucas was honest in his statements throughout the years that there would be no episode VII. Of course, if your new boss Disney gives you $4 billion and says make episode VII, you make episode VII. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 11:25, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
Holy moly, it got closed as a redirect. Strikes me as a supervote, but I'm not gonna read that whole mess.--Milowent 20:15, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Northamerica1000. A problem seem to have been that some of what was being put in the article was crystal. Also, near the end of the discussion Smetanahue, who previously iVoted "Delete and protect per WP:CRYSTAL. That there are many fanboys is just a reason to be extra observant of the guidelines" at the Star Wars Episode VII AfD discussion, moved the crystal plot information ahead of the 2002-2012 non-crystal source information in the article, claiming that Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Film specifies a defined order of sections (which it does not). In addition to adding content, ARS should help ensure that articles are not manipulated during AfD discussion in away that supports the delete arguments. As for Star Wars Episode VII, what could put in the article is listed at Template:Filmmaking. At the moment, the only info available is Development: Green-light history from 2002 to 2012 and some film treatment (potential plot). After the Episode VII announcement, what's currently poping up for the most part is people positioning themselves to be part of the cast (Pre-production) Harrison Ford ready to reprise Han Solo role. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 13:34, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Ben NanoNote

 Resolved
Ben NanoNote was retained.
Feel free to improve the article.
 – Northamerica1000 20:51, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
A Ben NanoNote pocket computer

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The Elephant House

 Resolved
The Elephant House was retained.
Feel free to improve the article.
 – Northamerica1000 20:56, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
The plaster elephant sculpture in front of the Yarmouth Road house

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Very interesting AfD. This previously was at AFD last month (Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The Elephant House (2nd nomination)) and after two relistings and 21 days, only garnered one vote, which was a "delete" vote with what I would deem a very equivocating rationale. The admin (a new admin) closed as keep ostensibly based on a prior AfD in 2008 (a keep), though they might have argued it should be a no-consensus close due to lack of participation. In any event, the closing admin is also a public art scholar and could have opined keep herself (clearly her own opinion) and not closed the discussion, and it would have then clearly closed as no consensus. So then it went to DRV after the close rationale was challenged, which led to a decision to relist. And now its at AfD again as a procedural relisting. In the first seven days of the new AfD, it got one vote (a keep) which listed several additional sources. It then had to be relisted before more editors actually noticed it (notwithstanding all the folks who participated in the DRV and apparently were not interested in assessing the merits of the article). This is a textbook example of AfD going bad -- there are so many places where an article can fall thru the cracks and get wrongfully deleted in this scenario due to lack of participation.--Milowent 12:38, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the overview of this article's unique history; quite interesting. Northamerica1000 08:25, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Jeffrey M. Smith

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Jeffrey M. Smith was retained.
Feel free to improve the article.
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Jeffrey M. Smith (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs|google) AfD discussion
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Blackvoices.com

 Resolved
Blackvoices.com was retained.
Feel free to improve the article.
 – Northamerica1000 08:39, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

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Brenda Howard Award

 Resolved
The AfD discussion for Brenda Howard Award resulted in a consensus to merge the content into the article Brenda Howard.
 – Northamerica1000 08:33, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Named after Brenda Howard this award likely does have some sources but I'm not having an easy time finding them. At the very least the article should be kept as a part of the original article so I don't think a delete makes sense. Any help appreciated. Also a nemesis who's been following me around has weighed in there so I don't find their opine very telling. Insomesia (talk) 13:24, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Mughal Artillery

 Resolved
Mughal Artillery was retained.
Please feel free to improve the article.
 – Northamerica1000 03:40, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

With a complete rewrite of this article, there are no grounds for deletion, but ARS members should check it out. --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:07, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Oasis Restaurant

Resolved
Oasis Restaurant was retained.
Please feel free to improve the article.
 – Northamerica1000 21:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

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The Oasis Restaurant
Good work, NA! I don't think it can be said too much that articles like this could easily get deleted unless they get attention from the ARS or similarly-motivated editors willing to examine nominations and improve articles.--Milowent 12:25, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words! Northamerica1000 21:36, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
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