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	:Well, frankly, Kent Hovind is a lying fraudster who is, literally, in prison for fraud. He is caught lying and making stuff up red handed in his videos all the time. We can't really trust what he has to say. Instead, we use credible sources. So this requested change is simply not going to happen.] (]) 00:50, 11 December 2012 (UTC)		:Well, frankly, Kent Hovind is a lying fraudster who is, literally, in prison for fraud. He is caught lying and making stuff up red handed in his videos all the time. We can't really trust what he has to say. Instead, we use credible sources. So this requested change is simply not going to happen.] (]) 00:50, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
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	:Hovind says a lot of things, he's kind of dumb. Got any self-described "evolutionists" to point to or is that made-up-creationist-speak not worthy of wikipedia? ] (]) 06:02, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
	::* <small>Let's not pile on, please. The edit request has been closed, and further discussion is unlikely to ] in any way. ] (]) 06:29, 11 December 2012 (UTC)</small>

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Hovinds owe I.R.S. over $3,000,000

From Forbes:

Mr. and Mrs. Hovind did not file returns. They were both involved in the financial transactions of the enterprises and they lived together. That makes it hard for the IRS to sort out which of them should be taxed on the unreported income. They are married, but filing a joint return is an election. The solution is for the IRS to send a deficiency notice to each of them for 100% of the tax. With interest and penalties the balance for the years 1998 to 2006 is over $3,000,000.

US Tax Court (JO DELIA HOVIND, Petitioner y. COMMISSIONER OF INTERNAL REVENUE, Respondent): --Cms13ca (talk) 21:57, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

The Frorbs article links to court documents. If I'm reading this correctly, there is $1.5m in taxable income spread over several years and they both need to independently pay tax on this income. Can anyone confirm? Any ideas of how to integrate this? TippyGoomba (talk) 02:27, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

I'll try to take a look at it, but right now I'm dealing with real world tax problems for my own clients (and trying to get some sleep). The rule, by the way, is that the IRS can collect the tax from either or both parties, but each party gets credit for each dollar the IRS collects from the other person (in other words, the IRS does not get to double-dip). It may be at least next week before I can get to this. Famspear (talk) 03:23, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Science Backed

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Dr. Kent Hovind fully embraces science and scientific evidence. For those interested, You should watch his series, where he uses scientific evidence not only to prove Creation, but also in direct correspondence with the Scriptures. He also shows 'proof' that Evolution uses and shows you outright why it isn't really proof. Do not discredit the man until you have heard from his own mouth what he believes and why he believes it. You can find several of his lectures here. If you have a desire for true science, education, and truth than watch the videos all the way thoroughly, you'll find it completely fascinating as I did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScienceFusionVideos (talk • contribs) 21:29, 10 October 2012 (UTC) Hilarious. --Onorem ♠Dil 21:40, 10 October 2012 (UTC) I remember reading that article of his in Nature, or was it Science, oh yeah, no...... Dbrodbeck (talk) 21:59, 10 October 2012 (UTC) Mr. Kent Hovind doesn't know the first thing about science, scholarship, or academic credentials. His series is worth watching though, it's quite funny to see inside that head of his. TippyGoomba (talk) 05:24, 11 October 2012 (UTC) We have watched his series. We have watched his videos all the way through. They are the imaginings of a five year old, not serious science. They contradict several scientific fields at large, and multiple laws of physics. He doesn't "show" a thing, except to the ignorant and easily duped by substance-free charisma. He's also not a doctor. He went to "school" for six weeks in a "school" that's literally a double wide trailer with one staff member, no class curriculum, and no textbooks. His "thesis" would not have gotten me a passing grade in junior high, let alone at the doctorate level. He's a fraud literally in prison for fraud. Why anyone would believe him now is beyond my comprehension.Farsight001 (talk) 05:48, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

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Dr. Kent Hovind fully embraces science and scientific evidence. For those interested, You should watch his series, where he uses scientific evidence not only to prove Creation, but also in direct correspondence with the Scriptures. He also shows 'proof' that Evolution uses and shows you outright why it isn't really proof. Do not discredit the man until you have heard from his own mouth what he believes and why he believes it. You can find several of his lectures here. If you have a desire for true science, education, and truth than watch the videos all the way thoroughly, you'll find it completely fascinating as I did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScienceFusionVideos (talk • contribs) 21:29, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Hilarious. --Onorem ♠Dil 21:40, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

I remember reading that article of his in Nature, or was it Science, oh yeah, no...... Dbrodbeck (talk) 21:59, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Mr. Kent Hovind doesn't know the first thing about science, scholarship, or academic credentials. His series is worth watching though, it's quite funny to see inside that head of his. TippyGoomba (talk) 05:24, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

We have watched his series. We have watched his videos all the way through. They are the imaginings of a five year old, not serious science. They contradict several scientific fields at large, and multiple laws of physics. He doesn't "show" a thing, except to the ignorant and easily duped by substance-free charisma. He's also not a doctor. He went to "school" for six weeks in a "school" that's literally a double wide trailer with one staff member, no class curriculum, and no textbooks. His "thesis" would not have gotten me a passing grade in junior high, let alone at the doctorate level.

He's a fraud literally in prison for fraud. Why anyone would believe him now is beyond my comprehension.Farsight001 (talk) 05:48, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Kent has been moved again.

According to Bureau of Prison inmate locator, Kent is now at MDC Brooklyn. He was transferred there from Oklahoma City and, according to several of his supporters, he may be moved to a new prison in New Hampshire.--Cms13ca (talk) 23:26, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Update: Kent is now at FCI in Berlin, New Hampshire, which is a medium security facility housing male offenders. An adjacent satellite prison camp houses minimum security male inmates.--Cms13ca (talk) 23:37, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

More balanced intro paragraph

Kent E. Hovind (born January 15, 1953) is an American young Earth creationist. Hovind has spoken on creation science and has aimed to convince listeners to reject the encompassing theories of evolution, geophysics, and cosmology in favor of the Genesis creation narrative from the Bible. Some of Hovind's views, however, have been criticized by other young Earth creationist organizations such as Answers in Genesis.

Hovind established the Creation Science Evangelism in 1991, and frequently spoke on young Earth creationism at seminars at private schools and churches, debates, and on radio and television broadcasts. Since January 2007, Hovind has been serving a ten-year prison sentence after being convicted of 58 federal counts, including 12 tax offenses, one count of obstructing federal agents, and 45 counts of structuring cash transactions (depositing amounts less than $10,000 to avoid IRS paperwork). As of October 2012, Hovind is incarcerated at the Federal Correctional Institution at Berlin, New Hampshire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CCE5:D220:3CEA:8ABD:F4F7:C38C (talk) 00:11, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

You've removed the observation that Mr. Hovind's absurd ideas are contradicted by science. That removes balance. TippyGoomba (talk) 06:43, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

The intro summarizes the article as it is; if the content is not 50/50, then the intro is not either (because it would not be a faithful summary of it). Per WP:NPOV policy, articles are explicitly forbidden from trying to attain a 50/50 balance if the weight of the sources are not, but instead must use the same (non)balance per the sources. DMacks (talk) 15:28, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Kent Hovind's old website 216.248.142.66

Kent Hovind's old website, before he paid for a domain, was 216.248.142.66 . The old website can be search for further documentation about Hovind's business and beliefs. SalHamton (talk) 00:05, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Eric Hovind

Is it about time for a seperate Eric Hovind article? It seems he has tried to pick up where his father has left off. Thoughts? Mophedd (talk) 09:04, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't' think Eric is as notable as his dad. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 09:53, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Eric Hovind's not nearly as notable as his dad. No need for a wiki article on Eric. SalHamton (talk) 17:30, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 December 2012

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Hovind's views are contradicted by scientific evidence and some of his ideas have also been criticized by young Earth creationist That is what it can be seen on the page as now Hovind's views are contradicted by Evolutionists views and some of his ideas have also been criticized by young Earth creationist Kent Hovind clearly says in many of his videos, he likes science but he doesnt like evolution. Please change ASAP JoeDavidson1 (talk) 00:47, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, frankly, Kent Hovind is a lying fraudster who is, literally, in prison for fraud. He is caught lying and making stuff up red handed in his videos all the time. We can't really trust what he has to say. Instead, we use credible sources. So this requested change is simply not going to happen.Farsight001 (talk) 00:50, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 02:09, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

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