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Atention

I would just like to say that there are countless fan listings on countless pages of this site. Just search for a comic character, or movie stuff.-Jedizati 13:29, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Water hardness

Hi there. About the Water hardness article: I thought I had done enough looking around for a water hardness article, but who would have thought to look in the most obvious place (Hard water, Duh!). I'll work on merging the articles. Which title do you think is better: Hard water or Water hardness? --DanielCD 16:00, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

• I'd suggest keeping the name hard water, firstly because that's how most people know it as (IMHO), and secondly because it seems to describe the broader topic, while water hardness sounds like a measure of hard water itself. --InShaneee 16:07, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Good work

You caught Sumu-abum literally seconds after it was posted; good job!—Trevor Caira 15:01, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks! That's what happens when trolling the 'Recent Changes' page is your idea of fun. :) --InShaneee 15:03, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

redirect for Sam Beauregarde

Hi, why did you redirect Sam Beauregarde to point to Violet Beauregarde please? --Rebroad 10:00, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

User Bill of Rights

You may be interested in Misplaced Pages:User Bill of Rights. (SEWilco 04:27, 10 December 2005 (UTC))

X-band

Hey thanks for the heads up on the Xband article, I added it to my watchlist, it's really been cleaned up since it's first incarseration and I would hate to see it fall back again Deathawk 20:52, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Adminship

I don't know whether you're one of the users who tries to avoid taking on adminship, but if you want to become an administrator, I've nominated you. The RfA is at Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/InShaneee. If you want to accept, you should accept there, and then add it to the RfA page.. Hedley 23:55, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

• Hedley, it was a BIG MISTAKE to nominate this individual who is repeatedly abusing his admin privileges. He is on his way out of the admin business.

The Flatheads

I believe you are mistaken. Encyclopedia Frobizica has exteremly complete entries on each of the articles that I am creating and the majority of them have some relevance to gameplay. This is analogous to the articles on each and every King of Gondor or Arnor in Lord of the Rings. Savidan 03:16, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

you deserve it!

Fine

I guess I know what you're getting at but the current version doesn't state why you must "use a condom" it just vilifies bodily fluids. Chooserr 00:17, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes it is in the intro - in a way. It talks about AIDs and all but unless you were to click on the blue link I don't think you'd immediately see that the reason you avoid blood, and other bodily fluids is that the virus travels through that medium. Chooserr 00:24, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Reporting Obvious Personal Attacks

HI there. Can you please take a look at MB's conduct on on this page. There is an ongoing dispute and he's addressing the person he's debating as a "troll" and "poor little guy". Regards.--ManiF 20:01, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Do you have reason for what you say? If not, slander is also considered a personal attack. Admins can also be blocked for engaging in such behaviour, as we successfully blocked admin GMaxwell who constantly threatened me.--Zereshk 23:46, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with you. That is not a personal attack, and it is your perception of what the rules say. A personal attack (you posted the wrong link) is one where the person is attacked instead of the argument, or "personally targeted behavior", stipulated here. Nowhere in that sentence do I specifically address Diyako with any ad hominem. Is it about me asking him if he is being "pissed"? The Meriam Webster defines "being pissed" here. I would like to draw your attention to this page regarding Diyako. THIS is a personal attack: "In fact I am discussing with a racist Qashqai turk pasdar terrorist pro ahmadinejad who even do not recognize UN emblem and think it is PDK's" Diyako, 03:14, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I await your similar warning to Diyako.--Zereshk 00:01, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Zereshk, what is the diff. for Diyakos comments?Zmmz 00:15, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

You dont see me calling people "terrorist", do you?--Zereshk 00:33, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Calling other editors "terrorist", "racist" and racial slurs is a clear breach of wikipedia rules. I'm amazed that Diyako has not been banned despite such obvious violation of basic wikipedia rules. --ManiF 18:13, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi.

• First this returns to when I was new on wikipedia and you despite of being an old wikipedian several times attacked me with most bad words. Second you have continued it even till this time which if necessary I can provide links to all of them in five minutes. Third, You Farsis (Iranians) who due to political and economical reasons have more access to internet when a wikipedian from Kurdish minority comes to wikipedia imidiately disagree with him, call him in every talk page separatist, and mispresent him to all other Iranians in a bad way. For example your links refereing that I am from CIA.!!! admins will know you.Diyako Talk + 00:16, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

1. Diyako, I can provide links to your attacks too. You werent new. You had quite a number of posts by then. And being new isnt an excuse either. The rules apply to everyone.
2. Diyako is using the word "Farsis" as an insult. It's an ad hominem to begin with. (Im not even Persian. I'm an Azeri.) I hope InShanee is noticing that. Note that ShervinK and other users have brought this up before.
3. You lie left and right. I challenge you to show InShanee where I say: "Diyako is from CIA".
4. I'm not the only here. There is an entire group of editors filing complaints against Diyako:

--Zereshk 00:33, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

I would like to express my disgust at a member calling Iranian wikipedians 'terrorist', I would like to see this user banned ASAP for racism --Kash 11:57, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Dear admin, I left a standard warning message on user Diyako`s talk page stating he was about to violate the 3rr policy, and provided a link, however, he has erased that warning from his discussion page. This user is getting away with so much, and along with the mentioned violation he is also writting an excessive amount of texts in numerous discussion page. Please look into it. Thanks again.Zmmz 23:59, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Inshaneee, this is another diff that shows user Diyako has made personal attacks towards other users a habitZmmz 00:52, 6 March 2006 (UTC).

Requesting Protection

Hi. Please look into protecting the Persian empire page, since one or more users with IP addresses are inserting text that are not backed-up by refrences, causing an edit war. Over-all, too much editing is going-on there, for now at least.ThanksZmmz 04:34, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Roxanne Harman

Please remove your ban on this user. My reason is very reasonable and I wrote a paragraph about it on her talk page. Thank you. -LambaJan 00:26, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Recent Aucaman-related craziness

Well, this is a fun little pickle, isn't it? I'm trying to keep track of the admins involved in this case because I sense that consistency and communication are going to be important if there's going to be any sort of resolution. I expect that we're going to get our salary paid in angry messages on this one, but I want to see this through to a workable solution, if possible. Hopefully the messages on the admin notice board will get some back-up to roll in, so we can get some help here. I'm gonna monitor Aucaman's talk page and the articles in question; lemme know if you'd like me to weigh in on any dialogues I've overlooked. JDoorjam Talk 00:04, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, in regards to the case against or involving Aucaman, I just wanted to inject my thoughts here by saying, I know many of the so-called-Iranian Nationalist Rambling Editors, have been buggin and complaining to the admins; obviously, so has Aucaman---but, believe it or not, there was a point at which many editors, including myself, were looking to admins for a quick intervention, because the user mentioned above can be disruptive. So, I don`t agree with InShaneee`s observation that there is an Aucaman crucifixion, just because as it turns-out, users from a wide spectrum of subjects have some concerns with him, apparently long before I ever joined Misplaced Pages. Yet of course, I don’t agree with those who have attacked Aucaman either, and do not endorse such childish behaviour. However, from the beginning, I believed, and still do, the only way to resolve this, in this case unfortunately, is to bring this in front of the ArbCom; not to silence this user, or try to get rid of someone you disagree with (that was never my intention as some have suggested), but to invite the only substantial source that can make a final decision about this; ArbCom. This is because my efforts to get a third opinion, and having a mediation cabal, and and now an Rfc set up have all failed miserably. But, it is also important to point out that, as I had stated in the Rfc, the admins should indeed look into sides of the situation, and as InShaneee rightly suggested, the best thing to do is provoking each other. I suggest everyone to keep a cool head and sleep on this for a while; that means involved. Wiki is not a battleground, so just distance yourselves from making accusations, and let the system figure out if there is indeed a major problem here (which I genuinely think there is). ThanksZmmz 02:05, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Kash and Zmmz

Thanks for the warning you gave to User:Khashayar Karimi. I'd also like to add this to the record, although it doesn't make much of a difference now that he's been warned.

As for Zmmz, I have to say the message he left here was a direct violation of his pledge here telling you that " would take your advice to heart". The fact that he did this less than 30 minutes after you had warned him against harassment, and the fact that he's been warned for doing the same exact thing before (second paragraph), shows that he has no respect for the warnings people leave him on his talk page. The message he left resulted in yet another unwanted discussion with users Zora and 250 jumping in. I've already left a message for User:Zora asking her not to do this again - and I'm sure it was a one-time thing fot her. Let's hope this kind of stuff won't happen again. It's very disruptive and is designed to divert attention from the real issues.

If any of these users happen to violate the warnings you've given them, should I report them directly to you or list them at WP:ANI? I know that I'm supposed to be doing it there, but it takes a lot of time to explain all the things that you (and some other admins) already know. Aucaman 17:29, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I would keep my eye on user:Acuman and see that he does not make anymore racist remarls or threats. 69.196.139.250 00:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, Inshaneee, Please look at here some users are abusing the tags and removing sources from the page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Newroz&curid=2459883&diff=44511644&oldid=44511502 Diyako Talk + 15:40, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

My mistake to revert, he was not using the "edit summary" so I was not sure what he had added or whatnot.

But about the 'source', the link had nothing to do with it, I discussed it in the talk page before removing it. --Kash 15:41, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

OK I have told the user to use edit summary from now on --Kash 15:43, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Please do comment on this page, User is trying to add a film review as a reference to a historical event!! --Kash 15:53, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Let s see if you really are a neutral editor. User:Diyako after knowing and being told that the term Farsi is offensivve and should use the term Persian continues to user the term Farsi. Read his talk page and see his behaviour. He has been warned and continues. I await your action on the matter. 69.196.139.250 00:05, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks

Hi InShaneee,

I recall you explicitly warning Diyako awhile back not to use the word "Farsi". However, he continues to use the word to this day, claiming that is is "the real name of modern persian people". See here, here, and here.

He is quite familiar with the Persian language and he knows that the word Farsi is an Arabized version of "Persian". Its usage in English has been banned by the Academy of the Persian language. The Iranian editors have explained this to him but it almost seems like he's doing it to provoke them.

Please have a word with him, because when I tried to talk with him about it he insists that it is not offensive, however, it very much is. I am not Iranian but I know what it's like to have my culture disrespected. I hope you understand. --Khoikhoi 00:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, It is not right. We are involved in a dispute over a Kurdish traditional new year Newroz which they want to erase and remove it in the name of a wrong merging. The word Farsi is common and neutral in English and every language but they want to block me to make me silenced and do whatever they want.

,, ,, , ,, , , ).

Diyako Talk + 01:19, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't want to block you Diyako, I would appreciate it if you stop using the term Farsis and Farsi. You know that the Iranian editors don't like it, so why do you do it? If it is a neutral term why was it banned by the Academy of Persian language? --Khoikhoi 01:24, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Iranian editors (who most of them use several usernames) don't like it is their POV and this has no place in wikipedia. once I added the word to the article of Persian people you Iranians removed it maybe because merely want to be identified as ancient Persians who in fact are different than modern Persians/Farsi people. Diyako Talk + 01:29, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Let's take this discussion to your talk page. --Khoikhoi 01:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Dear Inshaneee you are quite right, but on the other hand they also call me anti-Iranian, every edit I do is anti-Iranian and political, they call me idiot politically-motivated, also the term Iranian which they use for every thing related to Kurds is a huge insult to whole of Kurdish culture and traditions which by that they mean that this was Iranians who educated Kurds! but this are all false and POV.Diyako Talk + 01:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for taking action so quickly, InShaneee. --Khoikhoi 02:01, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Gracias. It seems the different admins specialize in certain policies - for example, William M. Connolley is the 3RR guy, and you're the Personal attacks guy. ;) --Khoikhoi 02:23, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Now, now Diyako! Do not lie. The issue had nothing to do with KUrds. It was based on your new definition of a seperate celebration for Turkic peoples. WHich you later saw as futile and abandoned. The issue of the Kurdish New Year came after. Even the chronological order of your dialogue proves that you are lying. I smell a block! Manik666 02:27, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me, but he is clearly lying. The Kurdish issue appears after he delibertly to create a seperate definition for the celebration of Nowruz outside Iran. He additionally did not stop using the term Farsi when asked. This is not the first time. This is instigation. I also want to point out to his vandalism of the Kurdistan page. This user uses bogus and phoney resources as verification. This is a clear and inexcusable breach of Wiki guidelines, which needs no explaining. I expect fulfill your duty and responsibility as an administrator unless you agree with his actions. PLease look at the sources stating that the Kurdish flag is criminal to fly in Iran, then get back to me. In my good nature, I can not tolerate such vandalism as I have seen in the past from this user as well as user:Acuman. Manik666 02:44, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

69.196.139.250 (talk · contribs)

Okay it looks like this user is back with his personal attacks, again accusing me of making "racist comments". Could you somehow send him the message that my talk page is not a place for these kind of discussions? His comments don't even seem to be addressed toward me. Aucaman 02:38, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I HAVE ASKED YOU TO FIX THE PROBLEM WITH DIYAKO AND HIS USE OF BOGUS SOURCES

I am still waiting for you to act! I have not even reverted his vandalism. You are obliged to do something and be proactive. Manik666 03:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Basically you are saying that user:Diyako can do anything he wants and mutalate articles. So, let me get this strait under your rational I can add anything to an article as long as I give any random webpage as verification? Manik666 03:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

The user in question is not giving sources. Diyako is placing random webpages or blank pages as sources for his claims that the Kurdish flag is criminal in Iran. Manik666 03:55, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

A prior user has beofore hand. Have you even read the talk page? Did you look at the sources now? It is on the flag article in Kurdistan. I am not touching it I want it as proof. This is exactly the type of behaviour that user:Diyako and user:Acuman engage in that has the 40 or so editors upset. Manik666 04:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

DO you know what I am talking about? Where are you? There is no Britannica. Here let me make it very easy for you since you have a hard time following. It seems that you have a hard time understanding. Here take a look at the sources. Allow me, exhibits number one and two and three…fake sources claiming that the Kurdish flag is criminal in Iran. Where do they even talk about flags?

Manik666 04:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Is that clear enough for you!? Manik666 04:33, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Firstly, he just added that one. It does not justify the other two and that one is conjecture. All Kurdish festivals are the same as other Iranians. As for langauge, It is taught in private schools and at the university level. You see what he is doing now. You see how unread sources are being used to justify claims? This third source was just added. Where does it state that iti is criminal or a crime? There is no verification that the Kurdish flag is a crime to fly in Iran. Manik666 04:41, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Additionally, if you read the archieves of the discussion on kurds ou will see that was pointed out in the past but ignored bu users such as Acuman in a very biased way. Note back then there were only two sources, the ones that had nothing to do with the flag. Manik666 04:43, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

See it is unfortunate I must go through all this effort to point out the blatant destruction of articles by a small and select group of individuals with their political POV. I want the article protected. I wanted this user disciplined and warned about this type of destructive and unpleasant behaviour. It has been going for to long. I do not need to tell you what to do you are an administrator for a reason to make sure there is quality control and proper verification of articles. I believe this type of behaviour is a gross form of unsavoury vandalism. Tell me what you intend to do to this user. Especially after user:Diyako deliberately was instantiating and antagonism other users today with his uncalled for demeaning statements.

Well you have basically stated where you stand. You allowed him to get away with demeaning comments that he was warned about continuously by you and two other users. Now you are letting him continue with this behaviour. Furthermore, you have edacity to reprehend and censor me when it is that user that should be disciplined. You have watched these users degrade articles and other editors in personal attacks and it is all documented. Lastly I see on your user page and other pages you have been basically called a bad administrator who abuses his powers. I would have to agree with the authors of such statements and I will ensue on a course of having you told about your reasonability’s and obligations as an administrator. I merely want articles of all shapes and sizes protected in the sense where fabrication and counterfeit information are not inseminated into them. That is the sort of protection I am talking about. Very well allow this disgusting behaviour to continue. Manik666 05:09, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I've already provide several sources that the flag is banned in Iran. This user for a long time has been claiming that the flag is free in Iran! but could not yet provide a source. The matter was discussed before with User:Tombseye and some others and they accepted that the flag is banned in Iran. You can look at the history of the page.You can 'listen' to this non-Kurdish and reliable source.

Diyako Talk + 15:18, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Please help merge articles

In relation to the following arbitration case, which is nearing completion:

• SimonP and the King James Version

And in relation to the following completed centralised discussions:

• 200 verses of Matthew
• Verses of John 20
• Whole bible chapter text

Some assistance is requested, once the arbitration case is closed, in merging together the following articles

• Matthew 1, Matthew 1:1, Matthew 1:2, Matthew 1:3, Matthew 1:4, Matthew 1:5, Matthew 1:6, Matthew 1:7, Matthew 1:8, Matthew 1:9, Matthew 1:10, Matthew 1:11, Matthew 1:12, Matthew 1:13, Matthew 1:14, Matthew 1:15, Matthew 1:16, Matthew 1:17, Matthew 1:18, Matthew 1:19, Matthew 1:20, Matthew 1:21, Matthew 1:22, Matthew 1:23, Matthew 1:24, Matthew 1:25
• Matthew 2, Matthew 2:1, Matthew 2:2, Matthew 2:3, Matthew 2:4, Matthew 2:5, Matthew 2:6, Matthew 2:7, Matthew 2:8, Matthew 2:9, Matthew 2:10, Matthew 2:11, Matthew 2:12, Matthew 2:13, Matthew 2:14, Matthew 2:15, Matthew 2:16, Matthew 2:17, Matthew 2:18, Matthew 2:19, Matthew 2:20, Matthew 2:21, Matthew 2:22, Matthew 2:23,
• Matthew 3, Matthew 3:1, Matthew 3:2, Matthew 3:3, Matthew 3:4, Matthew 3:5, Matthew 3:6, Matthew 3:7, Matthew 3:8, Matthew 3:9, Matthew 3:10, Matthew 3:11, Matthew 3:12, Matthew 3:13, Matthew 3:14, Matthew 3:15, Matthew 3:16, Matthew 3:17
• Matthew 4, Matthew 4:1, Matthew 4:2, Matthew 4:3, Matthew 4:4, Matthew 4:5, Matthew 4:6, Matthew 4:7, Matthew 4:8, Matthew 4:9, Matthew 4:10, Matthew 4:11, Matthew 4:12, Matthew 4:13, Matthew 4:14, Matthew 4:15, Matthew 4:16, Matthew 4:17, Matthew 4:18, Matthew 4:19, Matthew 4:20, Matthew 4:21, Matthew 4:22, Matthew 4:23, Matthew 4:24, Matthew 4:25
• Matthew 5, Matthew 5:1, Matthew 5:2, Matthew 5:3, Matthew 5:4, Matthew 5:5 Matthew 5:6, Matthew 5:7, Matthew 5:8, Matthew 5:9, Matthew 5:10, Matthew 5:11, Matthew 5:12, Matthew 5:13, Matthew 5:14, Matthew 5:15, Matthew 5:16, Matthew 5:17, Matthew 5:18, Matthew 5:19, Matthew 5:20, Matthew 5:21, Matthew 5:22, Matthew 5:23-4, Matthew 5:25, Matthew 5:26, Matthew 5:27, Matthew 5:28, Matthew 5:29, Matthew 5:30, Matthew 5:31, Matthew 5:32, Matthew 5:33, Matthew 5:34, Matthew 5:35, Matthew 5:36, Matthew 5:37, Matthew 5:38, Matthew 5:39, Matthew 5:40, Matthew 5:42, Matthew 5:43, Matthew 5:44, Matthew 5:45, Matthew 5:46, Matthew 5:47, Matthew 5:48
• Matthew 6, Matthew 6:1, Matthew 6:2, Matthew 6:3, Matthew 6:4, Matthew 6:5, Matthew 6:6, Matthew 6:7, Matthew 6:8, Matthew 6:9, Matthew 6:10, Matthew 6:11, Matthew 6:12, Matthew 6:13, Matthew 6:14-5, Matthew 6:16, Matthew 6:17, Matthew 6:18, Matthew 6:19-20, Matthew 6:21, Matthew 6:22, Matthew 6:23, Matthew 6:24, Matthew 6:25, Matthew 6:26, Matthew 6:27, Matthew 6:28, Matthew 6:29, Matthew 6:30, Matthew 6:31, Matthew 6:32, Matthew 6:33, Matthew 6:34
• Matthew 7, Matthew 7:1, Matthew 7:2, Matthew 7:3, Matthew 7:4, Matthew 7:5, Matthew 7:6, Matthew 7:7, Matthew 7:8, Matthew 7:9, Matthew 7:10, Matthew 7:11, Matthew 7:12, Matthew 7:13, Matthew 7:14, Matthew 7:15
• John 20, John 20:1, John 20:2, John 20:3, John 20:4, John 20:5, John 20:6, John 20:7, John 20:8, John 20:9, John 20:10, John 20:11, John 20:12, John 20:13, John 20:14, John 20:15, John 20:16, John 20:17, John 20:18

And any other such articles that may currently exist

I have already prepared example merges of some of these articles

• Merge Example 1 is a merge of verse articles from Matthew 1:1 to Matthew 1:17 -> should be merged to Genealogy of Jesus
• Merge Example 2 is a merge of verse articles from Matthew 3:1 to Matthew 3:17 -> should be merged to Baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist (or similar title)

For titles check out List of New Testament stories (many are currently redlinks)

--Victim of signature fascism | There is no cabal 20:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

HOw dare you Abuse your Powers and Defame Me! This Behaviour is Uncalled for!

You have no authority whatsoever to block me on those grounds. Since when is a polite and civil warning a personal attack or derogatory comment? You are being a hypocrite, which is shown through your favouritism and one-sided blocks. I have engaged myself in a civil and satisfactory manner. You are abusing your administrative powers and should be stripped of them for negligent abuse and biased behaviour. I will commence in reporting your breaches of your privileges. Manik666 22:06, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice

Hi, Dear Inshaneee, You are right, I promise never tell it to nobody again. (I learned it from another wikipedia but 'now' I find it a bad wording). I'm trying to change my wordings that are considered by you as bad. I want to be a more better user. I should learn more about wikipedia policy. Diyako Talk + 22:32, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Harassment

InShaneee I have warned you before not to harass me. I have reported you on the admins board and I am waiting for a neutral admin to take up the case.

First of all "Making abusive acusations", the comment is far from abusive. I have even given links to what I was referring to.

I warn you again NOT to harass me, if I break any wikipedia policy, feel free to tell me, untill then do NOT follow or harass me.

About Diyako, "Keep out of this" let me quote it properly for you "as I said I have reported you on the admin's notice board and I suggest you keep out of this "

His disruptive behaviour is reported [here. I welcome you to take a look and do something about it.

This is the last time I am going to warn you not to harass me this way. --Kash 23:21, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi InShaneee, I appreciate you trying to protect civility in this dispute. But maybe it would be better to actually relax it a bit, at the moment. Too often over the last few days, warnings have actually served to heaten up things rather than calm them down as they should. As for Kash's comment to me, well yes, it was an "attack" on the truthfulness of my motives, and as such annoying, but I wouldn't have complained - I've seen worse ones lately, and actually prefer his open, aggressive attacks to the more devious ones of some others. Take care, -- Lukas 10:19, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Lucas, as you know perfectly well (I hope), you can always tell me if you find something I said offensive, it was not my intention to 'attack' you.

Thanks --Kash 11:57, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Kash

It looks like User:Khashayar_Karimi is going back to his usual accusatory mode. Could you tell him to stop accusing me of vandalism and being uncivil just because he doesn't like my edits? It's really hard to work in an evironment where I'm constantly accused of breaking Misplaced Pages rules without much evidence. Aucaman 11:48, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Removing the introduction to an article which was being discussed in the talk page (has been for the last month or so without any conclusion), is vandalism in my opinion.

Asking a user to be Civil is being uncivil?!!

This user has also been going around on users talk pages trying to start something against me !

Please tell him to stop. --Kash 11:56, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Update

He also posted this. This has got to stop. He has been warned many times before - for the same exact thing. Could you tell him that if he thinks I'm being uncivil or have done something wrong he should report me directly and not go around posting accusations in different talk pages? I think he knows exactly what he's doing, and he's been warned for doing the same exact thing before. I'm not sure if another warning is going to change his behavior even a little bit. Something needs to be done here. Aucaman 12:15, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

"Could you tell him that if he thinks I'm being uncivil or have done something wrong he should report me directly and not go around posting accusations in different talk pages? "

Wait a minute.. He is the one who is going around posting on different people's talk pages, e.g. , I simply reported him to you.

I see that you have already warned him about his behaviour. This user is way out of control in my opinion, I am not sure if block would be enough! --Kash 22:04, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

OK sure, but you warned him about his edits, can you please remind him to stay civil? because my try here did not seem to work and he came back here to accuse me about things again, and he is the one whos coming here "recommending" what you have to do, perhaps you should remind him of this also.

Thanks, --Kash 22:16, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

OK, well I just had a look at WP:CIVIL and I see I have not been the most civil myself. I will try to do this more often.

But about "evidence" which you asked for:

First he came here accused me of accusing him things, "It looks like User:Khashayar_Karimi is going back to his usual accusatory mode."

-Which I tried to show that they were infact justified.

Second he posted on another user's talk page , trying to provoke others against me.

So then I posted on his talk page telling him to stay civil.

Third he came and posted on your talk page AGAIN accusing me things which he was doing himself!

"Could you tell him that if he thinks I'm being uncivil or have done something wrong he should report me directly and not go around posting accusations in different talk pages?"

1- I did report him directly to you, 2- I never went around posting accusations, it was him who came here posted accusations which were found to be false - I did not post anywhere else. And also he went around other user talk pages (Diyako) if not anymore.

Also "I'm not sure if another warning is going to change his behavior even a little bit. Something needs to be done here"

Is calling for bans, etc without justification, which is also mentioned in the WP:CIVIL. Thanks, --Kash 22:32, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

OK.. user is now reverting my contributions which are totally valid and I have backed up by both scientific journals and Encarta encyclopedia, and I have also put it in the talk page, he reverted my change using "m", without any discussion in the talk page. Please have a look --Kash 23:00, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Please do protect it. --Kash 23:19, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Aucaman

user:Aucaman first accuses me of lying by saying "Now you're just making things up" and then when I present him with citations from authoritative sources to prove my points, user:Aucaman moves my reply under a new section, with a new title, without my permission, misrepresenting the direction and purpose of my comments. Can you please remind the user to remain civil and not title or move other people's comments on discussion pages. Your help would be appreciated. Thank you! --ManiF 16:38, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Cheers and thank you for the quick response. --ManiF 21:29, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Diffs

I don't think there's anything inappropriate about this. If you read it in context it makes perfect sense. I've also explained what I meant there. He's trying to claim that the English word Aryan means Iranian, and I told him there's no evidence for that, so he's making this up.

As for the talk page, we were having a very specific discussion and User:ManiF jumps in with 5-6 paragraphs of irrelevant "evidence". I thought it deserved a new section as it wasn't in any way relevant to the discussions we were having. Should I stop doing this? Aucaman 20:33, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I'll try to be more careful. Aucaman 22:27, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Your deletion nomination

Hi,

I feel that your nomination for deletion of 80 members of the parliement who voted against Vichy France is unfair. It is a major event that overthrew a 70-year old constitution. I hope this address your 'possible attack' concern.

Regarding the 'listcruft' nomination. I agree this is a long list, but many of the people cited here became famous. They were refered to 18 years later in a law.

'Tandis que, d'année en année, l'opposition des quatre-vingts parlementaires ayant voulu défendre la République reçoit un hommage grandissant, l'utilisation du nom de la ville de Vichy dans un sens négatif s'étend, allant jusqu'à prendre des formes substantivées censées désigner la trahison ou l'esprit de capitulation.'

Tony Bruguier 04:09, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Block of User:Molobo

You have recently blocked Molobo (talk · contribs) citing '3RR violation'. Molobo contacted me telling me that he has send you an email and you have not replied yet, and that he has not broken 3RR. I have went over that user contribs and I see no 3RR violation (there is also nothing on Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR). I am unblocking him acting in good faith assuming it was a mistake and that you are not here ATM. In the future, please state the page that was the cause of 3RR on the user page in addition to the information that he was blocked.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:35, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I am not an expert in blocking, but I the 'unblock' function is buggy. I think that it 'transfers' to IPs when the user attempts to log in, and that is not autmoatically unblocked when the user name is. But that's just my working theory. Glad we cleared this up, happy wikiediting.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 01:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Diyako

Mashaallah! habibi once again: This is your personal assumption, the link clearly does not claim that. I wonder how you claim your knowledge of english is professional while cannot understand that simple English sentence correctly! If you know English grammar, It says Kurds are an ethnolinguistic group not Iranians

• 1- He is speaking in Arabic trying to provoke me.
• 2- It was not my personal assumption, two wikipedians above had agreed with this.
• 3- I think he is being very rude here. I am trying my best with English here.

"It is not a personal or family website for every claim you should provide a link that clearly and directly discuss the matter not the Kurds."

He has put citation needed right before the reference?

I think he's using Misplaced Pages to prove a point..--Kash 00:56, 24 March 2006 (UTC) ~

It is not a bad word!!!!!!! It is a friendly word. Diyako Talk + 00:57, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't just the Arabic, he also said "I wonder how you claim your knowledge of english is professional while cannot understand that simple English sentence correctly!"

I feel that was also to provoke me as well as being extremely rude which are both against WP:CIVIL --Kash 01:05, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Mashaallah is Persian, Only habibi is Arabic which means 'my friend'. Is it offensive? and every Iranian know that. Arabic is a very common langueg in Middle East. it is like if you in swedish wikipedia instead of 'Min kompiss' say 'My friend', is it offensive?Diyako Talk + 01:06, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

"Mashaallah" is not Persian. It has Allah in it for goodness sakes. It's something Muslims say to eachother and this user knows I am not a Muslim since I have a Zoroastrian userbox on my userpage so hes using it to provoke me. --Kash 01:19, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

It is not true, 99% of Iranians are muslim and all Iranians including non-muslims use the word mashaalah. It is considered as a persian word. only is an arabic loanword. Diyako Talk + 01:23, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Gentlemen! Please! I've expressed my feelings on the word already, REGARDLESS of its linguistic origins. --InShaneee 01:27, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

As you see in my edits I constantly ask for citiation for wrong claims and provide valid sources which some users does not like that. It is possible that these users are thinking that can make me in trouble by incorrect complaimings. It never has been and never is and never will be an insult. I can provide thousands famous Arabic songs that use that word. I myself use it tens times per day with my friends. you can look at any dictionary. It is 100% a good word. But at least i knew that some people really don't like me! and as a result i never say again to them friend or dear. Diyako Talk + 01:21, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I have already expressed my feelings also. Some people don't like you? You were extremley rude to me in that comment, what do you expect? Kisses? --Kash 01:34, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

OK as expected, since you did not warn him about the English thing, when he offended me by being rude and telling me that I dont understand simple English , he is now repeating it here, he is now asking whether Khoikhoi is a native speaker of English! This is clearly against WP:CIVIL policy! --Kash 20:04, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Inanna

I apologize for this, and promise not to do it again. It's just very difficult to work things out with this user, as she always insists that she's right. I'll take your advice best I can however. --Khoikhoi 02:38, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, sure. I suppose I can just inform you or some other admin in the future. Thanks. --Khoikhoi 02:40, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Why do you let the trolls rule?

Hello, can your explain your rationale for unblocking one of the greatest liabilities of Misplaced Pages - Molobo - on the urging of his pal who has repeatedly engaged in wheel warring in order to unblock his fellow-troll in the past? --Ghirla 07:50, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, you wrote that 'it had been reported that he had violated the three revert rule'. Where was it reported?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:25, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

PROD: 80 members of the parliement who voted against Vichy France

Listcruft, possibly. "Members of Parliament who voted against the Petain regime" might be a better title. But who is it that you think is being attacked ? Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:32, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, InShaneee, Your English is good and sure you understand exactly which version is correct and sourced; some people use links wrongly. their links describes Kurds as an ethnolinguisic group not whole Iranians. http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Iranian_peoples&curid=1268748&diff=45471638&oldid=45471128 Diyako Talk + 22:00, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

RE Hectorian

Ok,thanks for letting me know that i've crossed the line.and although i think that i never was the first to make a personal attack(not that this excludes me from the rule,of course),i will not reply in the same way again.--Hectorian 02:30, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Kurdish people

This page was supposed to be protected for a day or two for people to cool off? It's been 3 days since and it's still protected. Could you go ahead and unprotect it? Aucaman 05:03, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Aucaman

Please see Aucaman's latest comments at Talk:Persian Jews (where he as just called me a "devils advocate") . Can I really be expected to respond to his nonsensical allegations? He continues to make absurd claims about me, especially in labelling me as a "racialist-nationalist" trying to "promote a positive image of Iran." What the hell? I am not on WP to promote any agenda or any positive image of Iran. I have, in fact, gone out of my way to adhere to NPOV and provide sources, which Aucaman always rejects (see Talk:Iranian peoples for example). There is an ArbCom proceeding that has been launched against him, and yet he continues vilifying me in this manner and quite frankly I'm getting tired of it. Really tired. How can I take WP seriously and continue editing here when I have to deal with characters such as this who constantly create problems, make personal attacks and baseless accusations against other editors? On Persian Jews he did not take my concerns seriously and instead spammed a bunch of other editors pages referring to me as "some guy" as if he doesn't know me . I find his behavior appalling, particularly at Iranian peoples where he as continued rejecting sources and persisting in putting dispute tags even when his concerns have been addressed on the talk (which he refuses to acknowledge) . I personally don't care what he wants to think, but he must stop making accusations and personal attacks. I should not have to put up with it. Thank you very much. SouthernComfort 11:27, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I second this. This comes right after here where he said:

'It's not talking about this "Iranian peoples" of yours.'

If he is really 'Iranian' then why is he being so rude and talking like he is not? Iranian people isn't of mine infact he is one of them, as he said in his Rfc. He keeps trying to seperate himself and "Iranians" by calling them names as posted above "devil", "nationalist", etc.--Kash 11:35, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

InShaneee, thank you for your message. However, you must realize that everything is a two-way street. When an editor is making incendiary accusations against another editor, how can I be expected to not respond? On Talk:Iranian peoples he is disputing a source that most other editors have accepted, and yet he continues to ignore what we are saying and creating problems. I have dealt with his accusations in the past (see his comments on Talk:Arabs of Khuzestan for example). I appreciate what you are saying and normally I try not to respond or at least attempt to maintain some level of cool, but this has been going for quite awhile now and I am not the only editor he has engaged in conflict and who has made complaints against his behavior. I would greatly appreciate any assistance you can provide, as we are not children in grade school and there must be a level of civilty - as I have said, it is a two-way street. SouthernComfort 23:07, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Please see this recent comment for instance, where he now accuses me of "trolling" . SouthernComfort 23:11, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Iranian peoples

Please have a look at this. I have not taken any actions against it, I will leave it to you. --Kash 17:55, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

(oh and by the way, User:Xebat is Diyako's new username) --Kash 17:56, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

"No one asked you for reviewing and mediation." , can you remind him to be polite and stay WP:CIVIL?! --Kash 04:01, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

RE

Hello, i'm sorry about that.I'll try to be more carefull next time.However, i have a request.Could you block that SikimTurki please? Because his username means "F... the Turk" in Turkish(with bad accent for sure).Thanks! :) Inanna 23:15, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Re:Acusations

Firstly we're just talking about one statement, right? Well you might want to read the statement more carefully before calling it an "accusation".

What's wrong with telling someone he's here "to promote a positive image of Iran and Iranians", especially after he makes a remark dismissing any persecution of non-Muslims in Iran? You also might want to read my response later on in the same section. I even say that I myself am here to promote a positive image of Iran and Iranians. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

As for calling his views racialist-nationalist, that's exactly what they are. Saying a well-established ethnic group is is nothing but a religion and at the same time trying to label it as part of an ill-defined racial group - all of this without providing any sources - is definitely racialism.

And I didn't call anyone "rich, immature". I said I'd never seen anyone but a group of "rich, young, and immature kids of Iranian descent in United States" call their ethnicity Persian. That's a true statement and I'm sure the user agrees. The only problem is that he thought I was including him in that group, but I didn't say that.

You might want to read the stuff I say in context and don't just accuse me of incivility because some other users want to frame me that way. I was explicitly commenting on the contents of the article and some of the edits made. Any personal comment I made was done in accordance with WP:AGF even though I have some serious problems with the reasons for which he's disputing this article. Aucaman 04:02, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Can you explain to me what this is for? A fully referenced article 'needs reference' now? I am confused. --Kash 04:34, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Response

Sorry I never got to reply to to the message you left me on my talk page:

"You can explain your comments all you want, but the fact remains that wikipedia policy dictates that we discuss articles, not users. Make sure you stick to that in the future. Additionally, adding the 'unsourced' tag to Iranian peoples is quite innapropriate. A simple look at the page shows at least 12 sources, not 0, as the tag implys."

Well what I was trying to explain is that I never make any personal statements about him (with the exception of "to promote a positive image of Iran and Iranians", which, as I explained later in the same section, any person assuming good faith would take as an insult). You also might want to talk to him about accusatory statements such as this one, personally pointing me out by name. I never did anything comparable to this. Is this in accordance with your policy of "we discuss articles, not users"????

As for the unsourced tag, it's been discussed in the talk page. The article does not provide any sources discussing the subject of the article. All the sources provided are about other ethnic groups, but they make side comments that have been taken out context and are contradictory to some of the other statements appearing on the page. The article is on Iranian peoples, so it should contain at least one source discussing who these people are. Such a source has yet to be provided.

I think the article was initially meant to be written on the linguistic group of all speakers of Iranian languages, but the definition has changed considerably due to some misunderstandings (Iran is also the name of a country and some Iranian citizens see themselves as part of a greater ethnic group, that of "Iranian peoples" - see the article on Greater Iran for signs of this). I'm not sure what's the best way to move on from here. The article definitely has to be rewritten with a clear definition in mind, but a lot of users are not being cooperative. I'd consider any advice or mediation. Thanks, Aucaman 14:25, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Diyako

He keeps losing his cool .

He also gave me a 'last warning' out of the blue! (without signing it, etc).

--Kash 05:15, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

OK, its official..he HAS lost his cool!

Lol ok this is turning in to a drama, he's adding socket puppet templates to users who have disagreed with him:

I hope you sort this out soon --Kash 05:25, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'm waiting for result of checking. Xebat Talk + 05:26, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh I am not sure about this one , he has posted the same message 4 times on this user's talk page before finally giving up and deciding he is a sockpuppet of khoikhoi! --Kash 05:29, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

User:Xebat (Diyako)

Hi InShaneee. User:Xebat (Diyako) is vandalizing my user page and talk page , making baseless accusations against me. This is not the first time, however, that this user is disrupting Misplaced Pages to make a point and bluntly accusing those who disagree with him of being vandals, sock puppets, and POV pushers. --ManiF 06:02, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I know you've been getting a lot of comments on your talk page lately, but for what it's worth, he also thinks that SouthernComfort is my sock. --Khoikhoi 06:14, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I definitely have the right to suspect people who constantly involve edit wars and have the right to ask for sock checking. Xebat Talk + 06:17, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

This users constantly remove every sourced info or insert unsourced claims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Khuzestan_Province&diff=44235940&oldid=44222106

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Fars_Province&diff=45229035&oldid=45196528 Xebat Talk + 06:21, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Aucaman

He has been constantly tagging the Iranian peoples article though even an additional source has been provided . All this without any reasonable discussion on Talk:Iranian peoples - sometimes I am unable to understand exactly what they are disputing and why. And as I have said, they have been ignoring the sources. And my apologies for the number of messages, but they have been keeping us very busy, as you can see. Also please note this inappropriate edit (with summary) at Persian people . Again, removing information that is sourced, and here removing sourced information again but replacing with information from a personal page on a university server. SouthernComfort 06:38, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Once again InShaneee, I'm sure you're probably tired of reports of these conflicts with Aucaman, but he recentley called SouthernComfort a "troll" again. . --Khoikhoi 03:50, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again, I just wanted to notify you that I strongly suspect that user:Aucaman has created a sock-puppet (User:Akkadian) to evade his block. A new IP address was used yesterday to evade Aucaman's earlier block and continue edit warring on the same topics as Aucaman, now I strongly suspect that that Aucaman has created a new user (User:Akkadian), under that same IP address which is probably from his school. --ManiF 22:08, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

The whole Bionicle matter

Oh, I did not know that wasn't alowed, and sorry for any inconviniance. But please, don't block Dark Jedi. We didn't know anything about that rule, and we will try to avoid any other incidences in the future. Let me agian express my deepest apologys for anything done against you. Thanks.--Toa of Sound 20:57, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Save your threats for those who buy them. That wasn't a personal attack. Miskin 20:34, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Um... I didn't know I messed up your sig. Please just calm down. And please don't block me for asking you to calm down.--Dark Jedi 21:32, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

New watchdog

I am curious about this Misplaced Pages:Hurriyya_notice_board, I hope it does not promote this heated situation between middle eastern contributers, especially by using an arabic (?) word for "freedom" as it's name and mentioning things like "Iranian Wikipedians are reminded that they have set up their own notice board - Iranian Wikipedians' notice board - where they can discuss the articles and projects of relevance to them." and "The intro must be corrected so that Irani or Turks who have their own Notice boads not be confused" Wikipedia_talk:Hurriyya_notice_board, I'd appreciate your comments --Kash 22:48, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I just saw that board and had to add that "Hurriyya" (Liberty) is a slogan in Arabic like "Jihad", used by Arab militants in Iraq and other parts of Middle East. The board's intro, written by User:Ahwaz who, ironically enough, has been blocked in the past for racist comments, reads "This notice board is set up to give collective support to those facing racism, nationalist bigotry". To me, the board is accusatory, inflammatory and discriminatory in nature and promotes a collective attempt to evade 3RR, and disrupt Misplaced Pages to make a point. Furthermore, User:Ahwaz is going around promoting his board while calling those who disagree with him "Nazi", "racist", "extremist", "ultra-nationalist", "Persian supremacist monarchist", "nasty" and other derogatory names. , , , , and . --ManiF 00:18, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

The watchdog currently states: "Some people have created a new ethnic group on Misplaced Pages which God has not created yet in reality: Iranian peoples." --Kash 01:40, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh I think Ahwarz just got blocked for 3RR already! ManiF predicted it very well! --Kash 01:42, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi InShaneee. I provided some clear evidence of User:Ahwaz's personal attacks and disruptive behavior here and to a larger extent on Misplaced Pages:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Hurriyya_notice_board, and now the user is taunting me , looking for a fight, as if we are in fourth grade or something. The user knows he shouldn't be doing this and I feel like I'm being harassed and stalked here. --ManiF 01:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Music

Well, I listen to a wide variety of groups, but some of my favorite synthpop groups are Depeche Mode, Human League, New Order, Soft Cell, and lesser known groups like Empire State Human, Wave in Head, Joy Electric, VNV Nation, Assemblage 23, Felix da Housecat (technically "electroclash"), Celluloide, Tear Garden (not technically synthpop, but close). Lots of other groups, mostly obscure ones from France and Germany. As for industrial, which I used to be very much into (particularly the more abrasive underground acts) but not as much anymore, mostly mainstream stuff now like Skinny Puppy, KMFDM, even Nine Inch Nails, which are more electro-oriented. Do you listen to this sort of music as well? Thank you again for your help, by the way. SouthernComfort 13:48, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Edit waring by the same Iranians!!

They ignore 8 verifiable sources and revert to the uncommon version by themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Kurdish_people&curid=17068&diff=46015246&oldid=46014591

Xebat Talk + 14:51, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

In the talk page I have explained very well that the sources are mostly personal home pages and do not justify the incorrect intro.

Anyway, I came here to report Aucaman for labelling my comments on his page under "harassment" User_talk:Aucaman#Harassment, when I just went there to advise him about the Civil policy, since I read this policy my attitude has changed on wikipedia and I was hoping I could get him to do this also, but if you think I was rude or anything, then forget it. --Kash 15:07, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

He again made use of the term "troll" in reference to me (obvious since he is talking about the reason for his block). SouthernComfort 15:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Hello, i'm sorry about that.I'll try to be more carefull next time.However, i have a request.Could you block that SikimTurki please? Because his username means "F... the Turk" in Turkish(with bad accent for sure).Thanks! :) Inanna 18:49, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Aucaman

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Aucaman. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Aucaman/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Aucaman/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 19:52, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Music

So you've worked as a radio producer as well? That's pretty cool - always wanted to do something like that during my undergrad years, especially since Pump Up The Volume was (is) one of my favorite films. Yes, "Playing The Angel" is excellent - my favorite tracks are "Nothing's Impossible" and "Suffer Well" (as well as "Free"). I think I like this one better than even Ultra, though I haven't decided yet. ;) You should track down the remixes bootleg if you haven't already - some of the tracks are even better than the album versions, IMHO. As for "With Teeth" I think it's overall it's very good, but the only track I ever listen to very often is "Right Where It Belongs." I still prefer "Downward Spiral" (which I'm not sure he can ever top) and "The Fragile." I think I'm just more in tune with the pretentious and melancholy, brooding side of things. ;) SouthernComfort 10:15, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

betty chan

I see no reasons for not allowing a short bio about betty chan to be written!... give me an explaination please,, thanks Snob 01:40, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

HOw about if i create Yip Kwok Wah's bio? enough media coverage? you can search his chinese name on google.com.hk and there are plenty of websites about him....do you think that will be ok?Snob 01:46, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually betty chan meets "Persons achieving renown or notoriety for their involvement in newsworthy events" because Yew Chung is extremely popular in HK and yew chung became the first school to be granted land from the government to operate a private school... and it's all because of her leadership, well of course her husband as well, he is a politician...a few years ago when yew chung got the land, majour newspapers strongly critized yew chung because her husband was the secretary of the former cheif excetive tung chee wa....... does that meet the critera listed on the "bio" page? yew chung was on the news for months.. in hk i mean.. if i am going to dispute this which wikipedia page should i go? thanks Snob 01:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC) thx=]Snob 01:57, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism by Misstubby

User:Misstubby had continued to vandalize after the third level warning. Just letting you know. Do as you see fit, with your supreme admin powers... K-UNIT 04:29, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Delta Kappa Epsilon

You recently reverted an anonamous edit from a member who added a link to the official website of an active chapter. I just wanted to point out that those links are both appropriate and desired, so they didn't do anything wrong. They have since repaired your reversion. Just a heads up.

PS By any chance are you a Deke?

Canadian Caesar 04:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Betty chan

Hey there, just dropping you a line about the protected talk page. Talk pages are only protected for severe vandalism, and then only for a short time. You shouldn't use {{deletedpage}} on a talk page as it prevents discussion on that page. Would you consider unprotecting Talk:Betty chan to allow discussion on it, or at the very least including a link to the DRV on it? Thanks. Stifle 11:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Xebat

Xebat is removing other users' comments from Kurdish people's discussion page. . He knows perfectly that he shouldn't be doing this. The other user seems confused and puzzled. --ManiF 13:20, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

His responce to your comment is inappropriate too.."These Iranis lie. The same as their imam and their president" - what kind of responce is that?! --Kash 18:52, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Just so you know, User:Xebat is now impersonating you and vandalizing your comments on his talk page. --ManiF 05:56, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Ahwaz

This user has made several personal attacks against me and others recently, though he has been asked not to and has been on WP long enough to know better ("don't wet your knickers" - to a female editor) ("my gang"). I was not going to report him because I have tried to be very diplomatic with him, but I noticed his calling me "ultranationalist" in addition to labelling me as part of a "gang" and that I will not tolerate. Thank you. SouthernComfort 08:13, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, no doubt I'll get banned, but those peddling anti-Arab racism will get off without a warning. Just a point of fact, "don't wet your knickers" is a British term that means "stop panicking" and applies to both genders. I made that clear (and I did not know that editor was female anyway!). So, it is pretty low of SouthernComfort to complain about it now. Just another way to stitch up people, I guess. Go on, ban me then: 24 hours or 48 hours?--Ahwaz 09:51, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

He has also been adding tags to Persian people without explanation: . The section in question is sourced. Aucaman has also done the same: , and he is aware that the section is sourced. No matter how much explaining anyone does on the talk, he continues to tag the article. SouthernComfort 10:04, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I have the same problem with User:Ahwaz. I've asked him to stop numerous times, reminding him of the rules, and this is the answer I get from him. --ManiF 11:14, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

And this is the kind of thing you two do when someone disagrees with you: - conspiring against those you call "anti-Iranians".--Ahwaz 11:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

That link is from 25 February 2006 when I had just joined Misplaced Pages, and hence unfamiliar with the wiki etiquette, and I was nonetheless warned about it by InShaneee. --ManiF 11:34, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

You want more examples? I can give more if you want. But I have acknowledged the fact that you moved the personal allegations against me from the front page of the Iranian Wikipedians notice board to the talk page. You've learned a lot faster than some, although I wonder whether you have retained the same sentiment that "anti-Iranians" should be kicked out of Misplaced Pages. The whole situation would have calmed down if it had not been for a continuation of the group mentality in which the same group of editors (of which you are a member) continue to impose their will and claim it is consensus, when it evidently is not - as in the case of the Persian/Arabian Gulf issue where at least four editors disagreed with what you imposed. It is really, very irritating and why you won't get me to shut up about it - particularly given the fact that some users can make racial abuse with impunity whereas I cannot even tell you to blow your nose.--Ahwaz 12:01, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I've never attacked you and I'm not responsible for other users' actions or what they may have said to you, you are making this into an ethnic or nationality-based thing instead of dealing with other users on case by case basis. I, along with a few other people, have asked you to stop making personal attacks and be civil, but instead of complying with the rules, you keep making personal attacks and justifying your actions based on some other user's actions. --ManiF 13:13, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I think you have attacked me. You main objection to the Hurriyya notice board was about me. You personalised it and brought out old arguments. I have simply given a bit of this back. And it does not feel nice, does it? If you want people to live by the rules, then you have to abide by them yourself. The anti-Iranian/pro-Iranian nonsense, in which people who would otherwise be undecided on an issue felt forced to choose, was not started by me. It should end here and now.

If anything, I hope the whole Hurriyya episode (which never matched the level of personalised animosity on the Iranian notice board) has sent a clear message. I know you despise me, but I think you did a good job in bringing everything on that notice board into line. I said it before and I actually defended the existence of that notice board even though I was one of those attacked on it. And I will now relent on the whole Persian/Arab Gulf issue. The accusations and the over-ruling of opinions (as in the case of User:William_M._Connolley, who has no reason to take anti/pro sides) should stop, as should the mass reversions. It is inflaming the tempers of those who are normally regarded as cool-headed.

I have received emails from two users who felt intimidated by some of what has been going on - and not on articles in which I have had any editorial involvement nor in the whole "Aryan" controversy. I felt I needed to state how they felt as an act of catharsis and to prevent people from minorities from feeling intimidated. I prefer arguments in the open instead of cloak-and-dagger stuff - I have never sought a block on anyone. Anyway, I won't be contributing here any more, which will bring a sigh of relief to some. I wanted to state what I felt and have done so.--Ahwaz 15:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

InShaneee: OK, that's fine, but I request that something is done about the imposition of "consensus" that does not exist (as SouthernComfort did on Persian Gulf), an end to the accusations of "anti-Persian" and "anti-Iranian" and a serious policy dealing with anti-Arab racism, particularly this: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AArabs_of_Khuzestan&diff=46419732&oldid=45915282

If it happens again and nothing is done about it, then do not be surprised when people bite back.--Ahwaz 15:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi there

My name is Boris. User:Khoikhoi advised me to seek help from you. A certain user called Ilir has been making very biased contributions, personal attacks and has reverted every single edit that has been made to any Kosovo-related article. As you may know, Kosovo is a part of Serbia, and the majority of the population wants to separate, Ilir is one of them, and keeps claiming that Kosovo is independent. What makes it worse is that he personally attacks anyone who confronts him, and calles them nationalist. He has also started calling me, and other users who revert his biased edits, sockpuppets of User:Asterion. I need help from an experienced user like you, I can't argue with Ilir anymore, he is simply pushing his own agenda without consideration of others. Help me preserve the neutrality of Kosovo-related articles, please. -- Boris Malagurski ₪ 09:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Greetings InSHaneee. I feel obliged to give a short clarification. The user above has been doing exactly what he claims I have been doing. In coordination with several other users from his nationality and political orientation he has been reverting the content and attacked other users with ironic questions, which do not contribute to a consensus being reached. Kosovo is currently being administered by a UN administration and all I am trying is to refer to that official website when making my statements. user:Bormalagurski instead uses the one-sided sources, from the successor of the government which caused the Kosovo_war. According to its internationally recognized constitutional framework "1.1 Kosovo is an entity under interim international administration which, with its people, has unique historical, legal, cultural and linguistic attributes.", and predictions on whether it belongs to any other country do not help in this case. Thank you for your attention, Ilir pz 10:26, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

It is true that Kosovo is under UN administration, but Ilir fails to recognize that Kosovo is a part of Serbia, which can be proven by looking at any map of Serbia, like this one from the CIA World Factbook. It is not a prediction that it belongs to Serbia, Kosovo is Serbia. It is recognized as such by every nation in the world. Only Ilir and his sockpuppets are trying to make Misplaced Pages untrue to it's name - an encyclipaedia. As you can see, Ilir follows my every move, and tries to counteract any attempt I make to block him for vandalism, by attacking me and all the other users who are against him but don't have the guts to do anything about it. Help me bring justice to this user. -- Boris Malagurski ₪ 20:00, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Your aditude!

Man, you have a temper, cool it. Watch you block me for saying this... MAN!

69.196.139.250 (talk · contribs)

Okay so this guy is back with more his personal attacks. This time he's accusing me of "attacking articles", "vandalism", "racism", "Strategic fictional editing", and spreading "propaganda" among other things. I have no clue what this guy is talking about and he provides no evidence for his outrageous claims. Can you do something about this? Aucaman 02:32, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

More attacks Aucaman 02:53, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I fail to see that calling someone Iranian is invective

If you're going after me for calling someone "Iranian", how about doing something about the numerous times the Iranian editors have called me anti-Iranian, racist, a Jew, an Arab, an Arab nationalist, etc? I've generally kept my mouth shut and tried to ignore the abuse heaped on my head, but it does irk me to be scolded for non-existent incivility when it seems to me that the invective is coming from the other direction. Zora 22:04, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't see that it is wrong to point to evidence of collusion based on nationalistic sentiment when there is ample evidence of such collusion. See , , and .

This group has since cleaned up the Iranian notice board, since Lukas Pietsch called attention to the organizing, but I am still under attack .

I don't really LIKE having to run to the admins when I'm subjected to personal attacks. It's like tattling. Surely someone else should notice and take some action. Zora 22:33, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Harassment

I did not write that comment (someone else did). Someone was removing it and, per WP:RPA, I was simply putting it back in (it was more than just personal attacks).

I have to say your comments on my talk page are bordering harassment. Leave me alone and stop threatening me with future blocks. I have already been discussing some of your blocks with other users/admins and am about set up a RfC on your conduct in this whole situation. Aucaman 22:05, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

It appears that you're not familiar with WP:RPA (the comment was made by someone else and someone was trying to remove them here). I've been told that personal attacks should be left in tact - especially when they're more than just personal attacks. I think you should go discuss this with User:El_C. What you did was a direct violation of WP:AGF and the fact that you still haven't apologized for claiming those were my words is even more shocking. Aucaman 22:29, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

You called them " comments" and you assumed they were made by me. And no you're not helping the situation here because I'm subject to daily personal attacks myself and you don't seem to be doing anything about them (I've reported some of them above, and the latest one just a few hours ago here). Instead of fully investigating situations and warning both parties you seem to be only following certain users and warning/blocking them for responding to personal attacks (most of these responses not being anywhere close to the originial personal attacks). Aucaman 23:02, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Xebat

Hi - I was away for a few days and I just saw the message Xebat had left. I just wanted to tell you that I think you made the right choice, Its not the first or second time he had posted such deeply offensive messages, and I really hope it wont happen again, or you will put an end to it. Thanks again, --Kash 22:59, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

- I just realised that he had posted he is not sorry for his behaviour as well as changing your comments - I will leave it to you, --Kash 23:02, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Ahwaz

Greetings InShaneee. Sorry to disturb you again. User:Ahwaz is back making the same old personal attacks against users he disagrees with calling them "Persian chauvinist gang" as well as the administrators of this website saying "Misplaced Pages is a pile of rubbish and the people that run it are donkeys" . He's also posting on User:Aucaman's talk page, advocating a rebellion and "confrontation" to disrupt Misplaced Pages and its due process. --ManiF 18:05, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Now he's indeircely calling me a "Persian chauvinist" and adding a "donkey" image to your last warning to him. The irony of it all is that I'm not even Persian. --ManiF 19:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Iranian Nationalists are a major threat to the credibality and sucess of Misplaced Pages

Dear InShaneee, I understand and appreciate your concern in guarding Misplaced Pages guidelines. But you are judging me wrong. If you have a quick look at my contributions you will see that EVERY info (I mean it literlaly) I add, will be instantly deleted by 5 specific users and specially by ManiF. A fresh case is List of Arab scientists and scholars, which the Iranians want to totally wipe out of this encyclopedia , while ofcourse keeping List of Iranian scientists and scholars. I'm sure that I'm not the first one you have meet with this problem. The Iranians are in hundertes and they even have their own Misplaced Pages:Iranian Wikipedians' notice board, which is often used a starting base for starting editing wars. And I am just One!!

So, tell me please, what should I do? what legall procedures can I do to stop this "gang behavour"? Jidan 20:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

InShaneee to comment on the particular problem - I have to say Jidan should assume good faith, the consensus is not on "wiping out" but to renaming the article, because of the problems rised by disputes over ethnicity of these scientists & scholars. We don't want to rename them to Iranian! just a Muslim, which is what they were known for, and for a period of time thats what many Iranian scholars were famous for - being muslim - not for being Arab or Iranian, however some Arab friends assumed by Muslim it meant that these scholars were Arab, but in any case since there are disputes on the matter, we just want to compromise by renaming it to Muslims.

Thanks for your time - Hopefully this clears things up, --Kash 22:13, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, lets assume good faith. Why was the List of Arab scientists and scholars renamed to List of Muslim scientists and scholars, while List of Iranian scientists and scholars was not renamed? Until there is a proper explaintion on the discussion page I will revert it back. Jidan 22:32, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

The consensus was reached without any opposition, so I don't understand why you have started a little revert war after it. Things like consensus on talk pages are where you get your voice heard, not by revert wars. If you have problems with other articles, you post it in their talk pages not on another article's talk page. --Kash 22:57, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

You haven't answered my question! ;-) And wikipedia is not a democray. Jidan 23:02, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

You are distrupting Misplaced Pages to make a WP:Point? Misplaced Pages is a mixture of many different systems, including democracy, see . You can not vote after the consensus was reached . You had the whole day to vote, you even knew about the vote but instead of opposing you decided to come here and post about it? next time oppose it if you really want to.

Also stop removing my comments from your talk page Jidan (and again ) - its not considered ethical. --Kash 23:15, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

yet again.. , I give up --Kash 18:38, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

You have accused me with vandalism and that is a violition of good faith. Also I dont think InShanee likes it when his talk pages is turned into a chat page for other users. If you have anything concerning me, then please post it in my talk page. Jidan 18:56, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Alright, first of all, Kash, Jidan is right. Don't respond to other user's comments on my talk page. I'm trying to talk to him about something here; if you have something to say to him, say it on his talk page. Secondly, Kash, just because you don't agree with someone else's actions does not mean that they are automatically violating some policy; rampant accusations without a strong base can be seen as an incivil attempt to intimidate other users. Jidan, Kash is right that it is not considered good ettiquette to simply remove comments from your talk page shortly after they are posted; archive them if you really must. Kash, wikipedia is NOT a democracy. There is no such thing as a binding vote here. If a 'straw poll' was taken, but a user was not there to put in his two cents, that does not mean you can ignore his point when he gets there. Consensus means working together with ALL users, regardless of how they think OR when they show up. --InShaneee 20:10, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Personal Attacks

Dear InShaneee, Thank you for your meassge on my talk page. The instance that you mentioned can hardly be interpreted as a personal attack, and that was most certainly not my intention. In any case, since he was directly neglecting clear evidence offered to him, I had only two choices: First, to assume he is not interested in reading them, and second, that he indeed read them but does not understand them completely. Since the first one would be a violation of the good faith principle, I could only conclude that he is unable, or unexperienced, with making judgements based on articles and books that he reads. Shervink 12:41, 5 April 2006 (UTC)shervink

What do you expect me to do? The person you are talking about is himself a violator of just about every wikipedia policy you could think of. I still don't think what I said was a personal attack. But a discussion cannot go on if one side has already made up his/her mind not to listen to the other, and Aucaman has never, never, never listened to anything anybody says. His only major contribution to wikipedia is stubbornness, leading to a large number of edit wars and conflicts created because of his attitutde. You should warn him, not me. Shervink 07:47, 6 April 2006 (UTC)shervink

Hello again. I do understand your concern and I truly appreciate it. However, I am not convinced that what I said was in any way an insult, or attack, or whatever. It was not meant as such. It was rather meant to make Aucaman at least consider what most other people were telling him, rather than rejecting everything he/she is offered. The true incivility here, if any, is in his/her unproductive way of discussion, which has wasted tens of hours of my time so far, and many more of others'. I have not acted in an incivil manner, although if my words created such a misunderstanding I'm sorry about it. However, I really think that you are warning the wrong person here. Shervink 08:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)shervink

List of Arab scientists and scholars

Hi InShaneee, your neutral stance is needed here: List of Arab scientists and scholars. The Iranian editors have moved this to List of Muslim scientists and scholars, although they have themselves a List of Iranian scientists and scholars, which contains many non-Iranians scholars, which actually doesn't bother me. Thank You! Jidan 13:53, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Ibn haithem Image

The Image I posted in Alhazen is a scan of a 10000 Iraqi dinnar note, currently in use in Iraq. Do I need a special copyright for that? BTW: Thanks for your help in List of Arab scientists and scholars. Jidan 01:35, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank You! Jidan 01:50, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Islamic Conquest of Persia

I appreciate your friendly early warnings. For all my edits, I have provided discussions and edits on the Talk page. The Iranian editor (Zmmz) has almost accepted the changes provided that it is written in a neutal language, which I accepted. Heja Helweda 02:27, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Please help

Hi InShaneee,

Can you please warn Ldingley (talk · contribs) about personal attacks? (example) I asked him to stop and he simply denied that he was making them. Thanks. --Khoikhoi 04:31, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it. --Khoikhoi 01:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Again

250 just posted this on my talk page. It's rather disturbing, especially this statement: "Answer me this are you an Israeli citizen too? I think you are on an agenda. All your edits against Iranians (from Kurds to Persians,etc.) since Iran is seen as the biggest threat to Israel and all your other edits in the Arab fields. Also trying being a force in tension between Arab and Iranian and Turkish editors. All at the benefit of Israel." I'm tired of seeing these kind of statements on my talk page. Could you do something about this? Aucaman 02:38, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Naw, no hard feelings about you. I have my periods of whining. But this guy really doesn't leave me alone. He thinks he's here to save the world and that I'm here to destroy it. He doesn't even appear to be reading my statements correctly. Hopefully he would stop after this. Thanks for the help. Aucaman 03:02, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I just saw this. I only read the first sentence, but you probably need to tell him about this too. Aucaman 03:29, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

User:ManiF

Dear InShaneee,

I want to report the fanatical patriotism behaviour of a user User:ManiF. The following are only recent examples.

Geber, although he was born in Iran(part of the arab empire at that time), his ethnicity is with most certainity arab: Columbia Encyclopedia , Ancients & Alchemists , Britannica Encyclopedia, Encarta Encyclopedia .

In the articles, where his ethnicity is not important, In good faith I removed info regarding his arab ethnicity, but this user inserted "Iranian-born" infront of his name to make the impression that he was Iranian.

• Hydrochloric acid
• Sulfuric acid
• Citric acid
• Alembic
• Alchemy - he removed Geber (arab) and replaced him by al-Razi(persian), although all discovires muriatic, sulfuric, and nitric acids, soda, potash) described were done by Geber.

• List of Arab scientists and scholars - wanted to rename List of Arab scientists and scholars to List of Muslim scientists and scholars, although ofcourse the List of Iranian scientists should stay. (I was blocked 24H because of this).

If I am wrong on this than please let me know. If not, then I ask you please to do what ever in your hands is to stop the fanatical patritiosm of this user, which is a threat to the success and credibality of Misplaced Pages.

Thank You. Jidan 10:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

There is no substance to this "complaint". Whatever I have done has been in conformity with Misplaced Pages rules and regulations. User:Jidan is the one who is breaking wikipedia rules regularly (3RR, sockpuppetry, false accusations, personal attacks as above), and the one who originally removed the term "Iranian-born" from those articles despite the fact that Gaber, regardless of his Arab ethenicty which is itself disputed by contradictory sources , was infact Iranian-born, born in the city of Tus, according to all the sources. I just restored the term. --ManiF 12:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Im sorry InShaneee, but my english is not that good to describe it with another word. Thank you for taking the time. Jidan 19:44, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

RFA Support

Hi, as you know, my RFA passed (56/1/1). I would like to personally thank you for supporting me. I am not doing a mass thank you post, but I thought your comment was funny, so I wanted to drop you a quick note.--Adam 20:41, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Can you tell me more about "sneaky vandalism"

There is a line on the vandalism page about sneaky vandalism, can you tell me more about that specific topic? (Deng 21:13, 7 April 2006 (UTC))

Ok thanks for you reply but I want much more tell me everything :D , for example would removeing sections of an article over time to such an extent that the article changes completely from what it orginally was be sneaky vandalism? (Deng 21:22, 7 April 2006 (UTC))

Wow fast replies, lets say I change specific facts like how many floors a building has in an article that have been sourced because I believe they are wrong and If I keep on doing this in articles where those psecific items have been sourced, or remove things that I dont really like but have been sourced and does shine a light on intresting ideas, is that sneaky vandalism? (Deng 21:29, 7 April 2006 (UTC))

Ok then I would like to report this person for sneaky vandalism 213.243.185.219 (talk · contribs) who is Kurt Leyman (talk · contribs) in the battle of kursk he altred the numbers without any source, in the battle of berlin he altered the numbers without any source, in the Battle of Greece he altered the numbers without any source in the Italian war in Soviet Union, 1941-1943 he altered the numbers without any source, in the winter war he delted relevant information see the talk page, in the Battle of Suomussalmi he altered the numbers without any source, he has often done this in many articles these are just a few. How and where do I report him? (Deng 22:08, 7 April 2006 (UTC))

Simple edit war between these two, accompanied by numerous personal attacks from deng. DMorpheus 00:24, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

This is sneaky vandalism there are no two ways about it. If one is to follow what you (Inshaneee) have said then this is sneaky vandalism, there is nothing simple about it. If you look at the articles and look at the eidts you will see that it is sneaky vandalism also DMorpheus (talk · contribs) withholds the fact that all my edits have been to revert Kurts sneaky vandalism just as it says on the vandalism page; if you see vandalism revert it, so I have only follwed the instructions but Kurt continues with his sneaky vandalism and therfore the number of edits has grown. Because Kurt has not done one or two acts of sneaky vandalism he has done numerous(Deng 09:34, 8 April 2006 (UTC))

User:Ahwaz

Sorry to bother you again. I made two edits to the article Anti-Arabism, not removing or rephrasing anything, just inserting a tag asking for a citation for two claims, while fully explaining my legitimate concerns in edit summaries. Then User:Ahwaz comes and reverts my edits saying "ManiF is just trolling - ignore him". I really don't know what to do about these personal attacks and accusations. --ManiF 17:43, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

ManiF: Whatever I edit, wherever I edit, you come following along and put in tags or delete my words - even in articles you have never been interested in before. It is harassment. You are just here to bully people off Misplaced Pages. You don't use talk, you have deleted what I write on your talk page because you don't want a discussion and you enforce everything unilaterally.

Yes, whinge about it to InShaneee. He'll ban me and you'll get your way again. It is pathetic.

What I wrote was sourced and NPOV - you can't argue that. I put both sides of the argument. But you do argue. You and your gang are there to revert everything I and others write. What is the matter with you?--Ahwaz 17:48, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I've been involved on the Anti-Arabism article since March 19th . You have no right to call my edits "vandalising and trolling". , you are in breach of both WP:FAITH and WP:Civil. --ManiF 18:06, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh yes, you replaced one word and you littered the entire article with tags. Let's face it, you want the article deleted. You have nothing constructive to add.--Ahwaz 18:09, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Ahwaz

Sorry to interfere, but may I ask which specific statements User:Ahwaz was blocked for so I can talk to him about it? Aucaman 21:47, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't see the discussion above. Thanks for your reply. Aucaman 21:58, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Greg Lindahl bio removed.

Hello! You removed the bio for Greg Lindahl. I think Greg Lindahl merits a bio; I would be happy to rewrite the page using the standard bio format, and make it more informative and factual. I can't find reference to why the page was deleted, so I hope you will do me the favor of replying.

Thank you!

Wendy Wendy 02:50, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

I am allowed to ask an editor about themselves

I am allowed to ask an editor about themselves. So I will. 69.196.139.250 04:18, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Lukas

I would like to point out that I believe such comments as are very rude and do not comply with the WP:Civil and WP:NPOV policy as the user has taken a special POV against a group of users who he has called many different names such as 'ManiF and friends', 'Iranian editors', 'monolithic Iranian national POV', etc.

The WP:Civility states that ill-considered accusations, rudeness, ethnically-classifying users and the rest are certainly not appreciated on Misplaced Pages. Lukas knows about these and I was warned by yourself for accusing him of simialr accusations which you considered as 'personal attack' and threatened me to get me blocked but now you back up his accusations and say his concerns are valid?! Thats definately taking a certain POV which will not be helpful in this situation.

I personally would appreciate it if you do not back up such claims. I am sick of being tagged different things. If the user has any concern about anyone he has to go through the certain stages to show it but such repeated behaviour and name callings will not help the situation. - K a s h 10:47, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand why you are taking sides? When was the last time I did any "personal attacks" and acted "incivil"?! Thats right, before I learnt about those policies. He is doing exactly what I had done which you wanted to get me blocked for, yet you are taking his side for doing such things now?! I find it extremely amusing again (thats two extremely amusing things I have seen in one minute!)

I ask you to remain WP:Civil and do not take sides on such matters. - K a s h 19:30, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Also please refrain from using such tones as "And for the last time, please, don't respond to other user's comments on my talk page"

You had never told me about this wish of yours before, but now I will consider it. -- - K a s h 19:33, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I presented them to you because you were involved and I believe you are more than capable to handle the situation, but it looks like you are not willing to take a look at it -- - K a s h 19:40, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Hopefully I won't have to warn you about accusations such as "considering your wide catalouge of personal attacks and incivility" thats offensive to me as I have been trying my best to be as polite as possible and follow all policies of Misplaced Pages for the last few weeks. -- - K a s h 19:42, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Well it must be no news to you that the articles involving Iran (my interest) are quite controversial. If you think I have made any mistakes do let me know! after all it wont be the first time :) -- - K a s h 19:51, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Again

I just thought I show you this. Another case of harassment by this user. It looks to me like he doesn't care about the blocks. Aucaman 16:56, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

I think we should assume good faith here, the user may just be curious? -- - K a s h 18:04, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

It's not any of his business, and this isn't the first time he's been told that. I've blocked him for one week. --InShaneee 19:22, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Khashayar Karimi

This user has started calling me racist again. Let me remind you that this is not the first time he's doing this. He also keeps accusing me of vandalism. Aucaman 05:31, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Responce

That is so amusing. "Aucaman please leave discredited racist ideologies out of wikipedia" is calling someone racist? if so please pick up a gun and shoot me! :)

Also please don't accuse me of "wide range of personal attacks" since when? The last time you accused me of this I posted it on the incidents board and you stoped doing so. -- - K a s h 19:24, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Also he is vandalizing the pages - he is not even using the talk and he keeps removing the info. -- - K a s h 19:26, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Admins willing to make difficult blocks

Thanks, Shane, I appreciate that. I also hope Gator is the last one this happens to. Lots of people would have gladly made that block for him to avoid this happening, so hopefully this list will be of help in that way. Thanks for adding your name. :-) SlimVirgin 20:01, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Comma

LOL, I think I got that from a "math for preschoolers" game that I had when I was a kid. :p --Khoikhoi 20:10, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Zora

Could you please remind the user, again, not to discuss what she perceives as my background, making inflammatory comments "reminding me of my Arab heritage", knowing very well that I'm neither Arab nor speak Arabic. --ManiF 21:51, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

ManiF is deliberately misunderstanding or misrepresenting. He has been notable for asserting that there was no intermarriage between Arabs and Persians, Arabic influence on the Persian language was minor, there was no influence of Arabic culture or custom on Persians, etc. He seems to be dedicated to asserting his Persian purity, free of an Arabic influence. I was reminding him that there IS a great deal of evidence for influence -- both ways. That is not a personal attack -- unless he is so Arabophobic that he considers being told he has an Arab heritage as a personal attack.

You are not being impartial, Inshaneee. Zora 23:10, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Khashayar Karimi

He has now posted two more messages on my talk page. One is accusing me of vandalism again. The other is accusing me of incivility for reporting him to you! Please also note his language, constantly telling me to "be WP:CIVIL" and threatening me with blocks.

These are all clear cases of harassment and unjustified attacks. He keeps posting nonsense on my talk page even though I've told them many times to leave me alone. Are you going to do something about this? Aucaman 23:06, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Above user has stalked me once again to another article , reverting me when he has not even been involved there or in the discussion, nor did he bother to look at the talk before making such an edit, as I have made extensive comments regarding the NPOV problem at that article. SouthernComfort 23:19, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

He has also been removing sourced material once again as well as attempting to inject virulently racist and widely discredited racial theories into the article which allege, just as Nazi ideologues did, that Aryans were "Nordic." Also similar edit warring immediately afterwards . All this without even bothering to check the talk and listen to what others are saying. This behavior must stop. SouthernComfort 00:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

this is your page?

Zora discussion

Shane, thanks for your comments. Reading over the discussion again, it now strikes me that you and possibly ManiF himself and others may have been misreading Zora's statement in the first place. The way I read it, the sentence "You may not LIKE to be reminded of your Arab heritage (language, religion, possible/probabal intermarriage) but you shouldn't censor it." wasn't intended to "attack" ManiF on the basis of his nationality at all. She wasn't saying he personally was an Arab. (Everybody involved here knows he isn't.) As I read it, she was just talking on the basis of the common knowledge here that ManiF is an Iranian, but was stating that Iranians collectively have some Arabic cultural heritage. To me, that's in no way an ad hominem statement but one about exactly the content in question. - Did you read the passage differently? As for the rest, a sentence of the form "You may not like X, but you shouldn't censor it", when talking with a person erasing evidence for X from articles, is certainly not abusive of overly personal, is it? Lukas 05:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

It is still offensive to tell someone about what their ancestry/ethnicity consists of. For example, telling a Turkish person that they "may not like to be reminded of their Greek heritage". This offends Turks, and I think what Zora was trying to say shouldn't have been phrased in a manner so personal. --Khoikhoi 06:58, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but I strongly disagree. Misplaced Pages would not be a place I'd like to be if I had to censor myself or see others censored in matters of this kind. I've been involved with moderating difficult nationally motivated POV disputes in Misplaced Pages a lot, and outside of it for a much longer time too, so I think I know what I'm talking about. I couldn't do what I do if I wasn't allowed to call a spade a spade. Lukas 22:52, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Miskin

Me again... Sorry, I know it's ironic for me to come back to you so shortly after telling you not to over-police NPA rules, but we seem to be having a real NPA problem over among the Greek editors now. User:Miskin (who you warned recently for attacks against User:Pmanderson) has adopted an attitude of definite enmity, even hate, against User:Macrakis, one of the most valuable of our editors on Greece-related topics. He dislikes his edits for not being nationally-minded enough, and he also bears him a grudge for unnecessarily reporting him for 3RR once (). His reactions against this have included slurs against Macrakis' "manliness" (, transl.: "... Really, he has no God. Look at some men who wear trousers."), and open declarations of himself as an "enemy" ( Transl.: "Hey you there, aren't you even a bit ashamed?" - "Look who's going to give me ethics lessons" - "You failed in your attempt to trap me, Macrakis. How do you feel now that you've acquired an enemy?"). Now this is spilling over into the talk page of a nationally sensitive topic (Arvanites), where they aren't even having a content disagreement, out of sheer spite apparently ("I wouldn't expect much of a person who has 'PHD blah blah blah' bolted on his talk-page. You don't need to be Sigmund Freud to tell things about people's psychological problems." I've asked Miskin to apologize, but I expect he'll be defiant as in previous cases, he has a rather persistent history of such attacks. Macrakis' reaction has so far been of gentlemanlike restraint, but I feel his patience shouldn't be taxed further. Lukas 08:57, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about your own definition of a personal attack Lukas, but to me edits like this are extremely insulting. Macrakis has been literally stalking me (via the edit contributions) and has provoked me on several occasions. He's been making such comments behind my back and has even tried to get me blocked. He recently reported me for a supposed 3RR-violation on an article which had nothing to do with him, had no actual edit-war going on, and was not even a clear violation. He almost admitted that he did it only to get my blocked, not because it would serve wikipedia in any way. How do you expect me to be in good terms with an editor who simply wants me out of the picture? If there was a possible way to somehow stay out of contacts with him (as in 1000 metres distance), I would do it. I have never had an interest in his contributions, it's him who has been stalking mine. It's really sad to see that you Lukas, are biasedly inclined towards the side of Macrakis. I don't know how you judge an editor's "value" in order to call Macrakis "one of the most valuable editors on Greece-related topics". I'm not an editor who focuses on Greece-related topics, but even in the most irrelevant topics, Macrakis has been there to stalk me. I don't consider my greek messages to Macrakis as personal attacks and I don't know how a personal attack is measured by you. What I do know, is that I have frequently received offence as an individual and as an ethnic Greek by Macrakis' name-calling "nationalist etc" and degrading implications towards what he regards as "average Greek". I don't like to be criticized according to my ethnic origin, and being called a nationalist by someone who has no idea about my life, I find it extremely offensive. I don't want to take this matter any further, it's Easter and there's many better things to do. I'll just stay clear of him, provided that he doesn't provoke, stalk, or offend me. Miskin 10:30, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Having said that, I feel it's my patience that is being taxed, not the one of Macrakis. I removed the offensive part of the edit in order to end this debate (although the implications against me and racial slurs against the Greeks remain). As I said, I want to have nothing to do with Macrakis from now on. Let's see what happens. Miskin 11:17, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

And by the way, yes Lukas, it is ironic that you're now asking for InShaneee's help, it even looks suspicious. As for my being warned already on personal attacks, that is not true. InShaneee's notice was on something that was not a personal attack, I checked this with other administrators before removing the warning from my talk page. Miskin 11:57, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Albanau continues to consider that the usage of such insulting terminology is actually appropriate in wikipedia, yet the only who attracts attention is me. I've removed my only offensive edit and I regard the matter closed, provided that name-calling towards individuals or ethnic groups will be regarded as a violation of NPA as it should. If Lukas thinks that I have an NPA record (regarding my greek msgs) then I'm willing to proceed with RFC and ask for a consensus. Miskin 13:42, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know how much of my words will be taken into consideration since I am an anon but I am writing this just to leave a record. My feelings of User Miskin is he/she seems to be putting his ego in front of the of good of the project. On the Greeks article I put up facts with sources and I was reverted by him/her; thankfully user EL_C took care of it. On the Chrysostomos of Smyrna, the article was just Greek POV and contained other POvish adjectives so without changing much I tried to make it NPOV, once again he reverted my edits saying they were "POV". I find dealing with this user displeasant, uncompromising and unfruitful. For what's its worth. Regards.

You've been edit-warring in many different articles and have bothered many editors (see Battle of Manzikert. Some of your edits are removing contributions made by people who have actually spent part of their time on research. You are removing sourced information (even when the source is provided on the spot) and now you have the nerve to say that I'm making biased edits. I am a persistant editor, when I know that something is sourced correct, I will never give in to POV-pushing. This apparently bothers some people but unlike them, I have read WP:POLICIES and know better how wikipedia works. How about yourself? You got recently blocked under 3RR by InShanneee, and it seems that your behaviour hasn't changed a bit. I'm not going to let you destroy within seconds the quality of articles or sections that I've worked hard to compile. At this point you have two choices:

• Register a username and take this to mediation, RFC or ArbCom
• Remain anon, never participate in discussion, ignore consensus, WP:POLICIES etc.

I'm well familiar with anons of your type, they don't want to register a username in order to make extended POV-pushing that won't get caught in their edit-history. You are the living proof of why unregistered users should be banned from wikipedia. Miskin 13:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh and stop trying to pretend that an admin gave you support, there are always edit-histories to verify such claims. Your initial edits were vandalizing the article's head by adding irrelevant information, EL_C reverted to a different user's version, which changed only population figures of an infobox and did not add POV to the article's head. Miskin 13:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Furthermore this anon has never participated in a discussion before making large-scale edits, and what in his own mind is a POV, has been previously sourced on various different occasions. He doesn't even take the time to discuss about the edits he puts into question, he simply edit-wars what he doesn't like. He makes weasel edits by lying on the edit-history about the nature of the edit and doesn't have any respect for consensus. The worst thing of all is that he's constantly changing his IP and makes it difficult for administrators and editors alike to track his history. InShanneee his the anon you recently blocked on 3RR (I don't know which article, he was edit-warring on plenty). I regard his editing behaviour as the worst type of vandalism. Miskin 13:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Aucaman

I warned you not to use that tone with me. I fear that you have started to threaten me again which is not good. Stop now.

Instead of coming to my talk page to tell me what someone else should or should not be doing, look in to the issue. He had posted wrong accusations of me which had obviously an effect on your behaviour toward me, now on his behalf this is against WP:Civil and for you to harass me is again is also not very ethical, I warn you again to stay Civil, don't talk down to me just because of your status here and try to resolve issues instead of threatening me. -- - K a s h 22:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh and by the way I have every right to warn users against vandalising Misplaced Pages, the user obviously didn't know what vandalism means as he repeatedly removed information from it (Detail was posted above by SouthernComfort I believe), you should also enforce him not to do such thing instead of coming to talk page to threaten me. -- - K a s h 22:26, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I was not responding to him! I was reporting him to you. -- - K a s h 00:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

User:SouthernComfort

I just wanted to draw your attention to the following comments: Aucaman 09:37, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I need advice

Hi! I'm new here and I was wondering can I vote here: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Log/Today? Could you answer with simple words, I am not very good at English. :) --Alfred Dengan 16:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

"AN:I Fake Incident Reporter"?

What's that? Шизомби 18:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

That is weird, thanks. Шизомби 18:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

For the record, the anon you just blocked for 3RR is also edit-warring with a secondary IP, namely User:85.97.177.39. He has been edit-warring under those two IP's in several different articles for two days now. I don't know what happens in this case like this, and whether 3RR applies in such blatant cases of sockpuppeting. Miskin 20:00, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Khashayar Karimi

Now he's saying I'm pushing POV. Is this okay? Aucaman 20:28, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm questioning the accuracy of the sources. They have already agreed that the statement has been mis-sourced. Now I'm questioning the accuracy of the source and instead of answering the question they say I'm "pushing POV". There are also two other users who share my concerns: User:Tombseye and User:Zora. I don't really know what "POV" I'm pushing if I'm just challenging the accuracy of a article. So you're saying it's okay to say the person who disagrees with you is pushing POV? Aucaman 20:50, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay sorry for bothering you. I just thought it was inappropriate for him to respond to my question with a statement saying I'm pushing POV and so I should be ignored. This is not the first time he's made this statement and obviously he has no plans to "ignore" me. It just disrupts the talks. Aucaman 21:00, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

ACUMAN IS A PHONEY GO READ THE TALK PAGES. THIS GUY IS FULL OF IT.

Wikistalking

The point was that he keeps dropping unnecessary "responces" to my arguments in talk pages saying he's not here to "teach me" and that he doesn't want to answer my questions (although he constantly responds to them). He has also been following me around posting responses within minutes of me posting them. The best example is his clueless response here in article he's never shown interest in. Aucaman 00:21, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Aucaman

After spending all the last month on this 'Aryan' issue, he keeps telling the contributers that we have to answer his questions (etc etc), which although we have tried to 'answer his questions', many of which in my opinion are not related to the article, it is becoming increasingly time-consuming and the last 'question' he wanted answering was just strange, on the Persian people talk page (Link: Talk:Persian_people#Mohammad_Mossadeq) he is asking whether Mohammad Mossadeq is a Persian. Now to me that looks like it is against WP:Point policy as he has gone from asking us questions (related to the article and in particulary one sentence and most probably just one word , that has been discussed nearly everyday for the last month and a half and we have formed a mediation and a RfC for it, yet he keeps on bringing it up) stage to something that it shouldn't.

What do you think? Is there a limit to how much disruption one POV can take? Are there any solutions? His ArbCom case recently put him on a revert parol here, however I am not sure what to do now. -- - K a s h 23:23, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually..He is being very rude too.. "I'm asking a question and you're dancing around it." in the first edit posted above ().. He doesn't seem to care much about the answers as long as he can disrupt our lives and I am not even exaggerating here. I don't think article's talk pages are the best place to "find what people think" about different facts, which Aucaman has suggested above, after all that is not what talk pages are there for. I would remind him of such things on his talk page but I am afraid its best to leave it to you since you have asked me not to do so. -- - K a s h 23:25, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

False accusations

The latest accusation of this user against me is that I am wiki-stalking him (posted above). How many false accusations does he have to try against me before it is against WP:Civil? - K a s h 00:26, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Yet more accusations

He moved my answer, and then he is posting here that I shoud leave his posts alone! This is hypocracy. My reply was to another user's question and not to what Aucaman said, yet he moved it here.

And now he posted here that "once blanked a talk page"..All I did was to archive the page and this was perhaps a week or two after I joined wikipedia! I had no idea about such rules back then, to bring this up again is just hilarious! Let's not 'remind eachother' of anything, his block history speaks for its self. - K a s h 12:54, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Dearest InShaneee

I appreciate your informing me of WP:NPA but I can't for the life of me understand why. Please do me the favor of pointing out where exactly in my meager contributions I have transgressed. Cheers. -66.92.130.57 04:16, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

RV KOF Merge?

Why were my KOF Merge Requests Reverted? --ReptileLawyer 04:46, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

(If I should've responded on my talk page I'm sorry) The problem I see is I was told not to use the Prod, instead I was told I should've merged. Is it necessary to have 30+ pages related to one video game? So I tried adding merges and then it gets reverted. So this can't be discussed at all? --ReptileLawyer 04:51, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

You mentioned there was a lot of information, other TV shows etc. have a character list or subpages for listing characters. Why do all of these characters deserve their own page. Couldn't one merge them into a single KOF character page? I don't see why we have to repeat the instruction here, we're not even including moves. --ReptileLawyer 04:56, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks

No good news. More of the same. Aucaman 05:37, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

This guy just copy-pasted two more messages on my talk page. Sounds like 250. Aucaman 05:56, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Aucaman

This user has started his unreasonable reverts again such as this:

He put "rv - as per talk. No explanation was given for the last revert." in the edit summary.

If he had indeed read the talk, he would have seen my posts indicating why it was reverted. He is on a revert parol so I think this is not going too well if he starts abusing this function -- - K a s h 10:37, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

He has also repeated his un-related question again on the talk page of the Persians people, which I reported to you last night. Right under the old question. This has nothing to do with the article as he is not mentioned in it, and Mossadegh has his own article so there is no reason why he would post this 'question' there again! even after being told its not related by both me and User:Gol several times. The only reason he has given us for asking this question is "I just want to know what people think." Please remind him that Misplaced Pages talk pages are for discussions on the matter of the article, as he clearly doesn't listen to me and others - K a s h 10:45, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Kash Again

User:Robdurbar has asked this question on Talk:Persian Gulf. The question was sitting there for 4 hours and Kash didn't seem to care. I answer the question and in less than 5 minutes Kash posts a response between User:Robdurbar question and my short answer. Then it appeared as if I was answering Kash's question. I move my answer under User:Robdurbar's question and explained that I had answered the question first and that Kash's answer should just go under my answer. Kash just reverts my answer back to the bottom. Could you just tell him to leave my posts alone? Let me remind you that this is the same guy who has once blanked a whole talk page. Aucaman 12:18, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

It's perfectly natural for people to ask if a person (or a smaller ethnic group) belongs to an ethnic group in order to understand that ethnic group better, especially when the definitions are disputed. You can see examples almost every page you go to.

I don't know why you're bother to ask me about this. Kash doesn't want to answer the question because he doesn't know the answer or he doesn't want to tell. In any case unrelated questions are constantly posted on various talk pages. People usually just ignore them. Cluttering them with unhelpful messages only makes the situation worse. Aucaman 20:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Persian Gulf

The question he replied to said "So would i be correct in understanding that, embolidng aside, everyone would be happy.." and he had replied that "Sure" meaning everyone would be happy with that decision, so his reply was invalid in the first place. So I put my decision as in answer to that question, below it. Yet he chose to 'screw' as you put it, with my comment here, what you called as 'screw'-ing was a revert of his action.

In any case, I have reported many 'screw'-ings of his, please look in to them all especially his revert behaviour - K a s h 22:00, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know what to say really. It's not against the Misplaced Pages policy or anything and the matter just seems silly, his comment was invalid and he removed it later on as it was not true, so whether I had posted it above or below it, it wouldn't have mattered.

But since you are the boss and it looks like it takes more than following the Misplaced Pages's policy to please you, sure InShaneee. I will not do it again, now do look up on the revert issue I mentioned to you please. -- - K a s h 22:56, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Possible incivility by another user

InShaneee, I’m sorry but frequent incivilties like this by user Zora, is not fair to me. This is in regards to this edit, and this section. Please also see if the article, according to the diffs provided, does indeed need to be written in a more neutral language.Zmmz 22:23, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

ok

Have you ever thaught to make yourself an archive? I think it's time to do it. I see no spam in helping a contributor. StabiloBoss 22:25, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

People very easy forget...but we'll see how it will work. It's funny that instead of stimulating people to write they are stimulated to leave...--StabiloBoss 22:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Personal attack

Hey, I am kinda shocked by this message posted on Iran's talk page here. It is in Persian but it is all toward me and it looks pretty serious, is there anything I can do? -- - K a s h 23:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I will email you the translation if thats OK. You can get it confirmed if necessary with any of the Iranian editors -- - K a s h 23:36, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Sent -- - K a s h 23:44, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Can you ban this user, please?

I've sought help on several vandalism pages, but none are any help. I posted the following message on the AIAV page, but the post was removed simply because the vandal had not vandalised too recently. What bothers me is that it seems we have to be on a vandal's back tracking the vandal's every movement just so we can report them right after they've vandalised Misplaced Pages. Feel free to look into his edits, and you'll see the vandalism. What I hate is that Misplaced Pages makes it unusually easy for vandals to vandalise, but so hard for vandals to be banned. Thank you! Stiles 06:18, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Vik Vah (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) This member has repeatedly vandalised Misplaced Pages, even after being warned. I have warned him four times, and never once did he defend his actions, let alone discontinue vandalising. In almost every article he vandalised, he, along with someone else who seems to be a partner-in-crime, mentions a non-existant rapper by the name of Sheesh Hots. For the record, there is no such rapper, so why is he being mentioned? On many occasions, Vik Vah and his partners (if they are not all the same person) talk about how this Sheesh Hots has a relationship of some sort to the person the article is about. Again, how is it possible to have a relationship with someone who does not exist? This is blatant vandalism, and it is clear that it is easier for vandals to vandalise, than for a concerned Misplaced Pages member to do something about it. I kindly ask that Administrators look into this and immediately ban Vik Vah permanently, because a warning, I promise, will not deter him. Stiles 19:36, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Acuman

This user should be banned. He has made derogatory comments, intentional fabricated controversial and untrue material into articles, and deliberately disturbed both order and balance in the Wiki-community. He has been in numerous exchanges with other users. User:Acuman also applies double standards he says one thing for others and sees himself above what he demands and ascribes to other editors. He has upset the following articles in a long list of articles tied to Iran; Kurds, Kurdistan, Persian Gulf, Persians, Iran, Iranian peoples. The editors he has allies himself with are also irrational and uncompromising racists or bigots. I demand he be disciplined. I have seen the list of controversial and flat our provocative edits and fictional claims he has made and ask that he be closely watched by administrators, all editors, and the whole community. He has acted in a distasteful manner and has not respected the rules and demands of the community. I am sorry about losing my cool but what he did was amoral and in my opinion amoral 72.57.230.179 08:23, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Re

Hello InShaneee.I apologize if i did something incivil and please show it for me due to I will be able to more carefull next time.Thanks. --Karaman 20:28, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks.I'll try to be more carefull next time.I wish this is going to be warned or punished as well.Sincerely. --Karaman 20:36, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Evidence at compromise

Dear InShaneee, please go here, and see if it warrants a comment by you. I contact you because you were the admin who blocked for a few minutes due to a misunderstanding about Wikistalking; yet, as you recall once unblocked, I did take your advice to heart, and not only I stayed away from edit-warring, but also I intervened and compromised with many editors, causing cease to some revert wars, like the one in the Persian Gulf article. I don’t want to be topically banned, rather banned only from editing two articles, which is the committee’s alternate decision. Your comments may help; I`d be grateful. Thank youZmmz 02:58, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Do you want to present evidence against Diyako (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)/Xebat (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), or should I do it?Zmmz 19:57, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Trolling

In respect to my earlier statements on both Macrakis' behaviour and the recent edit-warring by some troublemaking anon. user, I will link to you Talk:Battle of Manzikert to back up my previous points:

• Notice Macrakis' provoking and trolling behaviour: Stalks my edit history, follows me around, finds a source that could be used against me, ignores the ongoing discussion which proves the non-credible nature of some contemporary sources and starts a new section using one of those.
• The anon. user that you recently blocked under 3RR, who despite his frequent change in IP address, he refuses to sign in a username and avoids leaving an edit-history. I'm almost certain that he's a sockpuppet of someone, and I already have some people in mind. Eventhough he hardly changed my edits, he managed to compile an entire paragraph of accusations against me.

Hence we have two blatant examples of trolling. First by Macrakis, whose failure to comprehend the ongoing discussion and insist on presenting non-credible sources,proves his provoking and stalking attitude against me; secondly the anon's trolling, rv-warring on several different articles and constant refusal to register an ID. In my opinion wikipedia cannot profit by such immature behaviour. I'll leave it to your judgement and wait for your reply. Miskin 16:59, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I would also like to point out the following personal attack . Despite all my efforts to solve content-disputes in the most civilized way, some editors just can't keep themselves from delivering racial or ethnic insults which violate NPA policy . Miskin 17:19, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Tortuga Turaga replying to a meassage about signing

I got a message from you saying to sign my posts with four tildies. But I am not a member (I might become one) so it would only put down my IP adress and I would rather use this option: "You can also consider manually signing your posts with a pseudonym or tag such as --anon (although your IP address will still be stored in the page history if you edit without logging in)." I think a tag would be easier for someone to recognise and I prefer this method, so isn't signing myself --Tortuga Turaga with a date and time stamp okay? As I have not used this site much before and I'm not a member I don't know that much about wikipedia. Thanks for you time. Ps. Sorry about the argument in the Bionicle Talk section, I hope it's settled now. --Tortuga Turaga 19:31, 17 April 2006 (UTC) (and 217.155.115.6 if you want)

Jeff Merkey

] Check the latest comments.

Another personal attack

It's the same user who was blocked a few days ago. I don't know what your opinion is on this, but I think if someone has been blocked once for personal attacks and they continue without much care they should be blocked again without much warning. Aucaman 08:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi InShaneee, don't know if you noticed, but this user 72.57.230.179 (talk · contribs) seems to be the same as earlier 69.196.139.250 (talk · contribs) and Manik666 (talk · contribs), possibly also 201.252.133.159 (talk · contribs). I'm considering bringing his case into the current arbcom proceedings, as his behaviour is so characteristic of the general climate of aggression and intimidation we've been seeing. Could you give me your opinion? (Or, if you like, submit a statement about him yourself, as you did with Ahwaz?) Thanks, Lukas 09:57, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

personal attack, please help

Dear InShanee,

This person Eupator in http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Bagratid_Dynasties is using personal attacks by calling me a "troll" and he also uses profanities in French language. Can you please warn him and ask him to stop making personal attacks? Thanks in advance. LD Noxchi Borz 23:07, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

More tools for your toolbox

Go ahead and go to my userpage and make yourself a copy of the tools and other links I have there. Martial Law 05:23, 21 April 2006 (UTC) :)

Comments on my background

If I have ever given out information about my nationality, religious, or linguistic background, it's for people to ask me relevant questions where they think I might be of some help. It's not for people to go around constantly commenting on what they perceive to be my "ancestors", calling me "self-proclaimed" this or that. (<--- Last sentence) And this is not the first time this user makes totally irrelevant comments on what he perceives to be my ethnicity. I didn't bother to report the last one. Aucaman 14:51, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Merge

As you must've noticed by now we have begun merge with Misplaced Pages: Wikiproject Supernatural and I'd appreciate any help you could give being I'm about to get off and I must archive all their stuff... Mahogany-wanna chat?

Nationality

You had not informed me about this before. Plus, his nationality is the same as mine! so I have no idea why that would be a problem! -- - K a s h 17:25, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

AfD

Hey, what do you think about Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Heavy metal in Islamic countries? I think the idea behind the article is a POV. There is no shared scene, however users of this "Metal wikiproject" are backing eachother up and I don't know how I can get some neutral users to vote there? -- - K a s h 19:20, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that this gang started going around nominating e.g. Metal in Iran and Pakistan, etc for AfD, when they didn't succeed, some of those articles got merged with e.g. Black Metal. Which was just riduculous to have e.g. Pakistani Black Metal on the original page. Then they decided to remove that, and make a new article, and redirect e.g. Iranian metal to there. It's just really un-necessary, and people who are voting are making it all as if its Me against the world! have a look! -- - K a s h 19:27, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Is it civil to refer to users as a "gang"?--210.211.234.53 19:35, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Heh. I don't use that word often, in Persian sometimes we use it to refer to groups. So it just came out. -- - K a s h 19:48, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

More tools for your toolbox

Go to my Userpage and make yourself a copy of the tools, other links found there. Martial Law 08:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC) :)

Blocking Ardenn

InShaneee, Ardenn did nothing to deserve the block you just gave him. That was a legitimate rebuttal. -- OsgoodeLawyer 00:17, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Nice Site!

Hey Inshaneee, nice site you got going! Facthunter 02:55, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the tip, and I'll contact you if I ever need any help. Thanks again, and bye! Facthunter 03:08, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Question about your "Warnings" that you put on my talk page

I quote... "Please do not remove warnings put on your talk page by other users. They are there for a reason, and removing them could be considered vandalism. --InShaneee 22:02, 23 April 2006 (UTC)"

Please show wiki policy that say I may not edit my talk page as I fit. If I answer the task I can edit the page. Thank you for your time. ] 22:09, 23 April 2006 (UTC)]

One more thing... Can I censor a discussion page to remove other people's discussions? Because that is exactly what Viriditas is doing on http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Heaven%27s_Stairway#Ownership_of_Overgrow.com_web_site_in_dispute

User:Alienus

Hi InShaneee. I noticed that you extended the block on this user (richly deserved, in my possibly-biased-due-to-having-had-the-Alienus-treatment-previously opinion) but did not notify him. I'm not certain if you should, but wanted to let you know. Best wishes, Jakew 21:28, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Personal Attacks Warning

Regarding edits such as ], ], ], and ]: These are considered personal attacks and will not be tolerated. Misplaced Pages is a friendly environment and this type of behaviour is unacceptable. Please refrain from it in the future. Yofoxyman 03:00, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Inshanee,

I dont usually report people, but this one has gone too far and is irking me:

User:Timothy Usher is calling me an "anti-semitic" (on Talk:Iran-Iraq War) just because I provided American and Israeli sources stating that Israel supported Iran in the war against Iraq. I think that's a clear attempt of abusing WP to slaner people.

Thanx.--Zereshk 17:24, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikistalking

Please take a look here, a suspicious user with two or more IP addresses is harassing me.Zmmz 20:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

User talk:MSTCrow

What a charmer. Jkelly 01:32, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's a reminder to me to keep things in perspective. That said, I do wish that there were a more efficient way to rid the project of users who flat-out disagree with WP:CIVIL. One could spend a lifetime writing up ArbCom cases and never empty the bucket. Jkelly 01:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

InShaneee, I don't want to get into any sort of "wheel war," but I do think that a 48-hour block is a bit long for what is, after all, a fairly mild personal attack. Would you consider shortening it? ➥the Epopt 02:29, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

question

I was wondering if there was any way to find out why the Vernon Buckley pages and The Maytones pages were deleted thanks. I dont see how they could be considered non-notable. See here. ] Could you maybe consider these for undeletion? Please reply on my discussion page. Thanks a bunch. Chinamanjoe 03:28, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

They are clearly notable. Check out this long article on all music: Chinamanjoe 03:36, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

• Hi InShaneee (thanks for blocking that one vandal, by the way) and sorry for butting in guys. Chinaman left a message on my talk page about this and I was wondering if you nominated the article for deletion?--Primetime 03:40, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't. Chinamanjoe 03:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

• Hmm. I would probably restore it and nominate it for deletion so as to get community views on the application of policy in this case. It can also give Chinamanjoe some time to dig up some info on notability for the bands.--Primetime 03:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

- ::That wouldn't be particularly hard considering a simple google search clearly shows they were popular enough to have a bunch of articles written about them in reputable sources. Chinamanjoe 03:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

• • I can't recreate the article because I'm not an administrator. I won't push the issue, though (I didn't even write it). Chinamanjoe, if you would like to have the article restored, nominate it on Misplaced Pages:Deletion Review or do as InShaneee just recommended and list it on Misplaced Pages:Articles for Deletion.--Primetime 03:54, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Image protection

Greetings,

User:Pecher insists on marking the following two images for deletion, despite their PD status, which I have explained to him/her.

Image:Kalimi mashrutiat.JPG

Image:Kalimi iran.JPG

Would you please see to it that he/she does not delete the images? Pecher is currently engaged in an edit war with several users on the Persian Jews article.

Thank You.--Zereshk 15:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I have provided the info in Farsi. It was scanned from a hard copy of the picture that I edited and uploaded myself.--Zereshk 16:05, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I have provided a second source. Now I hope you will help out with this.--Zereshk 16:18, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I provided a third source from the Library of Congress. The images are from media (newspapers) that no longer exist. If I translated the names, you couldnt do a search on them, the names all appear in Farsi format. That is why the LOC does not translate the names either, it only provides transliterations.

Regardless, I'm hoping that 3 sources is enough. It's overkill if you ask me. Point is: the images can be verified to exist. Pecher just wants to get rid of these images for POV reasons.

Thanx again.--Zereshk 16:26, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Username

Hey I changed my username, is it possible for you to block my old username (perhaps forever) until I would like to use it again? old username: User:Khashayar Karimi, Thanks -- - K a s h 19:09, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

OK.. By the way did you ever get my email regarding the Persian anon comment? You never responded -- - K a s h 20:02, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

I received this comment from you on my talk page not long ago:

"hreats against other users are patently unacceptable. If you continue to act beligerently towords (sic) other users, you may be temporarily blocked from editing."

I just wanted to say how effective your admonition not to threaten people was, especially since it was accompanied by a threat. Even though my putative "threat" was nothing more than a quotation from the The Juggernaut Bitch video itself (which I can now only assume that you have not even seen), I can understand how people might be put in fear that I might credibly "hit with own pimp" if I see them on the street. This is made even more credible by the fact that I have no idea what any of these people look like, nor where they live, nor what their names are. I can see why you're such a highly regarded editor. Oh, it's spelled "towards" by the way. "A" and "O" are so close on the keyboard, I can see how you got them confused.RiseAbove 19:36, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

List of "All your base are belong to us" external links

Before you unilaterally decide to delete List of "All your base are belong to us" external links again, please bring it up for discussion first. The page is under construction and was created as the result of discussion on the main article's talk page. Even for a self-proclaimed Deletionist, that was a rather poor decision on your part. ⇒ B.Rossow _contr ], ], ] @ 19:58 (UTC)

WTF?? Give me a break! ⇒ B.Rossow _contr ], ], ] @ 19:59 (UTC)

Seriously, what's your problem? You delete a page that's in progress, marked as "in use", then you want to hide it from anyone who visits the main article and thereby discourage discussion of your inappropriate action? That's beyond abusive, IMHO. ⇒ B.Rossow _contr ], ], ] @ 20:30 (UTC)

3RR

Were you aware that in reverting Brossow (talk • contribs) at All your base are belong to us (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), you violated the 3RR? Though his constant addition of that article was misguided, it was also not simple vandalism. I don't think you should be blocked for it, as you were obviously acting in the best interests of the encyclopedia, but I do think you should be more careful in the future. Cheers! —BorgHunter (talk) 04:00, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Where is Acuman???

Update me on the situation? 72.57.230.179 04:42, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

More of the same

• New user in town: . "Aucaman's agenda"?

• Also this. (Normally I'd report them to WP:AVI but I thought it would be faster here.)

Aucaman 06:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Aucaman

This user is spamming users talks:

There is another 10 or 20 more. See Special:Contributions/Aucaman

It seems like recruitment for a "battleground"!! I can not comment on which type of users he is targetting his message to.

With the same message. He has explained why he is doing it at: :

"I'm asking a lot of outside users to comment. Hopefully no one will get away with nonsense."

This is regarding the same old dispute, which is resulting in him getting blocked from editing Iran-related articles:

By arbcome arbitrators reads: "Though my considered opinion as an arbitrator is that the proposals I made for banning Aucaman from all Persia-related articles are the least controversial ones, and will have no problem passing. So you should have no worries there."

-- - K a s h 08:32, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind, it looks like it has been dealt with: -- - K a s h 08:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Harassment?

Do you think the user Viritidas is in involved in harassment by stalking me on the boards? He seems to have found a new topic to harass me about at the bottom of http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Simonapro ] 11:32, 2 May 2006 (UTC)]

Civilty warning?

Excuse my apparent lack of perception, but I can't see how my comment on Aucaman's addition to "Persian people" was uncivil. Please elaborate. -- Bobak 16:37, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

His edit was fallacious and I demonstrated with his words immediately followed by why; it wasn't an unsupported ad hominem attack. The only reason a person could come up with such a questionable statment (with no evidence) is to make history fit into somekind of agenda (and I don't believe the word agenda by itself is a pejorative term as you seem to take it) --and while I'd normally give the benefit of the doubt, after seeing the tremendous amount of of material available on that very discussion page, as well as Aucaman being brought before ArbCom and the evidence presented, et al --I feel I have a grounded basis for my statement, a statement that was crafted to not call Aucaman any particular name, fill-in-the-blank whatever personal agenda that may be guiding him. So, again, why is this uncivil? I wasn't being a dick, but when a man clearly has a view against my entire peoples, I think I can certainly call him out on what is a well-documented agenda. Again, to review the points on Misplaced Pages:Civility, I did not belittle Aucaman, I did not call him any names, I did not call him a liar (I'm sure he may believe some interesting thoughts), however I did identity the user who had made a highly questionable edit after apparently making a string of them and I cannot help if such a thing would offend him --as you can probably see he is easy to offend. I disagree with this statement that I acted uncivilly and do not see how it stands in light of the preceding. With respect, Bobak 16:59, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

So let me get this straight, are you now telling me that discussing your accusation at me is grounds for being blocked? I thought this was a civil discussion but I guess I now know not to offend you. -- Bobak 17:05, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. You may want to be little careful about how you craft your short responses. When you stamp a person an "uncivil" actor and then immediately start talking about temporary bans, you imply something quite immediate. As an admin, you may be making stronger warnings than you may realize. It's like a cop waving his finger at you. You don't know quite how serious he's being, and it can make a lot of difference, eh? ;-) -- Bobak 17:12, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

None taken. -- Bobak 17:21, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Reply

You're probably right. It was more of a childish retaliation to having been reverted with rollback . I hate it when people do that. Telex 16:47, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration with regards to User: Simonapro

Please see. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration ] 17:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)]

There is a new section called Arbitration. It states:

"InShanee. Without insulting me or claiming that I am attacking you, can you kindly, in good faith, explain your statement "...has done nothing but troll (primarily on Talk:Heaven's Stairway, reverting anyone he disagrees with, and insulting and threatening anyone who attempts to open a diolouge with him (this being the latest result of that)." with references to other articles where I have done this and where I have threatened or insulted anyone else on another article. Could you also explain why asking for arbitration is insulting and threatening?" You can answer on mytalk pages as the arbitration commitee will be viewing that. ] 21:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)]

Persian

Sure thing, please do what you feel is best. I'm not offended but appreciate the message just the same =) · Katefan0 /poll 21:30, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I want to remind you not to be Block Happy

Pleasea remember you are here to be an admin. and not a slave master. I still say keep an eye on Acuman. Did you see the new Aryan controversy. It does prove that he wanted established definitions to be changed to his liking. Anyways, I am civil and everything I was blocked for is questionable and so are your methods, but as always I opt to cooperate with you instead of engaging in counter productive behaviour. I have even allowed for you to do unpunished for your questionable blocks and methodology. 72.57.230.179 00:13, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Cilivity

Accusing me of spreading hatred is not acceptable as per wikipedia policy either. I never accused anyone or mentioned any user of any racism, nor did i make hateful statement, i merely spoke the truth. Please try to be respectful towards other users intentions in the future. Administrator have to follow the rules just like the users. --Darkred 01:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Lol, i am sorry i just read your both messages, you are warning me? for what?, in the Frye page i reverted moshes vandalism based upon his lie that they came to an agreement i have clearly explained that on the talk page. I have some days ago reported him for vandalism. Now i am warning you, follow the rules yourself before accusing me of breaking the rules, go ahead and block me for a rule i did not break, when i get unblock i will report you for taking sides, falsly accusing and abusing your administrative powers. --Darkred 20:31, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

And i give you the very same last warning, Stop taking sides and abusing your power. user moshe have clearly lies about the agreement of calling Fyre, and it is there for everyone to see in the talk page, again i have reported him and have said that he have lied and then vandalized. If you still want to take sides go ahead, use your power to block, i will not respond to your threats, i will come back and will report you for abusing your powers. Like i said admins have to follow the rules just like everyone else. Please try to be cooperative. --Darkred 20:48, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I have now reported you for admin abuse, like i said in the report i will not respond to your threaths, if you want to talk in a civil manner without threatheing to block me i am willing to do so as well, but until then i will not read or reply to your threathening messages. --Darkred 07:10, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Edit summaries such as this and this seem highly inappropriate to me. Could you talk to this user about these? Aucaman 19:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

User: Darkred

I really do not understand what I did that warrants the attacks and aggressiveness coming from User: Darkred, as you can see on the Richard Nelson Frye talk page, nobody expressed discontent with my phrasing until the arival of Darkred. He has since leveled all sorts of abuse against me, I might be more understanding if I had more previous encounters with him, but I have only run into him one other time and it was after he had already started his angry accusations against me on the above article.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 23:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Please note this: Thank You.--Zereshk 03:38, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Well what can I do when he is unblocked? He reverts every single day multiple times but is always careful not to violate the 3RR. I feel like I have been extremely patient to the point of excessiveness, I never respond rudely and answer all of his accusations on the talk page. He doesn't even follow a coherant argument, he just says the same thing over and over again, the only thing that changes is that he seems to get more angry with every post, . I would appreciate any advice that you could give me.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 04:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

FYI

User:TShilo12 has restored all of User:Aucaman's mass-spamming of user talk pages, which had been reverted by User:Cohesion. --ManiF 08:48, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the support on my RfA!

That was quite the page deletion you did there

You deleted my Misplaced Pages:Lol page mere seconds after I created it. I didn't even have time to re-edit it and sign my name. Truly an epic page deletion! RadioYeti 00:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration

I accepted the arbitration as it seemed a controversy we could make progress with. Please continue with a request for mediation though it the other party agrees. Fred Bauder 02:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Clarification request

Hi. According to User:Simonapro: "Turns out on the arbitration request that InShanee knows Viritidas. I think it would have been better for all concerned if a neutral moderator had been involved. ] 20:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)] . Could you clarify for me if this is true or not? I apologize if my memory is faulty, but to my recollection, this talk page post is the first time I have ever contacted you or "spoken" with you. If this is not the case, please correct me. —Viriditas | Talk 05:46, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Darkred once again

As soon as Dark red became unblocked he went straight to the Richard Nelson Frye article and reverted the same damn edit he has a thousand other times before . As you can see his edit summary was "Rv, see talk" however I suppose he expects me to read what he has already written since he has not added anything new. This is becoming ridiculous.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 07:20, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

• I also wanted to draw your attention to this comment. Other than spending most of his time analyzing and commenting on Moshe's ethnic background (which is not related to the dispute they're having), he makes this statement: "i am sure you are just as sweet a girl or woman as my girlfriend was". Note that "Moshe", "Constantine", and "Hassan" are all male names (and considering this user's linguistic background he should very well be acquainted with the name "Hassan"). This might be an attempt to get Moshe to overreact. I certainly don't want this user leaving similar messages on my talk page next time he comes across one of my edits he doesn't like. Aucaman 13:03, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Additionally, these reversions of his talk page taken together seem to cross the line of talk page vandalism, which I warned him of prior to the second; and refering to others' edits as "profanities" is certainly uncivil.

Ciao, MARussellPESE 18:14, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Went ahead and warned the user about all of the above concerns. --InShaneee 18:21, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

A sort-of-barnstar for you

		The "Patience of a Saint" award
		For tirelessly pursuing your admin duties, even in arenas where some editors may refuse to heed Misplaced Pages's policies regarding civility, neutrality, and reversion, I award you the (first ever) "Patience of a Saint" award. Misplaced Pages doesn't have a canonization process, but if it did, all you'd need to do now is perform a few Wikimiracles, and you'd be a shoo-in. Keep up the good work! Cheers, JDoorjam Talk

Wasn't that also the founder of the Order of the Adminims? :-) Lukas 20:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

And what that picture really wants to teach us all is to always look very carefully at our cluestick, to check whether we are holding the right end of it. ;-) (Saying this because I've always very much appreciated your efforts, even though I've sometimes disagreed with your decisions. Keep it up!) Lukas 11:43, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Try to be civil

Like i said above i am not going to even bother reading your threaths, abuse and harassment, and have not read your last message. This is the last time i send you a message. Like i said in the report i will never give in to your abuse of power, send how many warning as you like, block me as many times as you can. I will not read or pay any attentions to you or your threaths. Good luck. :) --Darkred 18:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Darkred

... I already blocked Darkred for two weeks for this latest bout; hadn't gotten a chance to report it at AN/I yet. JDoorjam Talk 20:48, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

POV screed

What do you think about this:Bush family conspiracy theory? I think it's a WP:NOT, WP:NPOV, WP:CITE, WP:RS and WP:OR violation.

Diyako/Xebat/Retau

Hi, I suspected that this user is a sockpuppet since Xebat was blocked by you for two months or something and now the arbitation has banned him for a year, the user check for it says it's possible but I am not quite sure where to go from here? The only reply he has given so far is which doesn't say much, he is not even denying it. -- - K a s h 17:58, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

To be honest I think he is using tens of more usernames and IPs to "contribute" but perhaps I am just all worked up under stress from exams -- - K a s h 20:02, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

NPOV dispute on animal hoarding

I was trying to discuss. Look at this page. Who is doing the discussion here? Does Zoe know anything about this topic? Can you please explain to me what the other side of the issue is? --Brianbeck 01:43, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

   That's precisely the problem that occurs with hoarding! Did you check any of the links? Should I list the exact instances? --Brianbeck 01:53, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
   Isn't that a factual dispute and not a POV dispute? --Brianbeck 01:55, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I've made some changes and now request removal again. See also that someone else posted on the discussion to request removal.

BuddhaWheel

I appreciate that BuddhaWheel is a product that we sell, but when my article was first deleted I took out everything that was not strictly factual. Can you please explain why it was still not allowed to stand? Thanks, Steve

Beeflin 19:43, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Leave my talk page alone

If you're leaving a message, fine.

If you're being a flunky of DakotaKhan, stay off my talk page. ForgetNever 19:20, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, personal attacks from a guy who's about to violate the seldom-heard-of 5RR Rule on his own talk page. User starts an edit war, gets in a fight with one admin, then three, then five, makes personal attacks, exhausts absolutely everyone's patience... I think I've seen this one before, and am pretty sure I remember how it ends. JDoorjam Talk 19:32, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

3RR violation

I am reporting hereby the violation of 3RR. 1st revert, 2nd revert, 3rd revert by Holy Ganga who has begun a unnecessary revert war in Pakistan article. Please take action. Anwar saadat 20:39, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Hussey's General Store

This article was deleted initially with the explanation that it was "advertising". I disagree with the action on the grounds that it is a notable organization in the state of Maine especially for being the largest store in a state of several million people, and is worthy of inclusion in Misplaced Pages. Ben Tibbetts 23:57, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

You reverted my edits

here. May I ask why? If you compare the bottem of the page on your version and mine, you'll notice the Wikiquotes box runs a little into the other box. I added two spaces to prevent this-is there a policy against it? --69.145.122.209 02:50, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

No problem. :) --69.145.122.209 03:02, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Multiple copyright violations and blanking notices from talk page

Benzee has been uploading some 140-odd images from WWW, adding fake tags and passing them onto Wiki as legitimate ones. He is a well-known vandal Prin who was already blocked for indulging in sockpuppetry. See Naan Kadavul, Cumbi, R.Madhavan, The Man's Plans and Yellow.

He edits the user page of his puppets signing interchangeably. I tried to tag the images. But he has reverted them all and blanked the notices from his talk page thrice. , and .

See images he uploaded violating copyrights.

What should be done to deter him? Anwar saadat 12:12, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Registered vandalism

I felt obliged to bring this to your attention . Miskin 14:53, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

oki

I don´t see anything wrong with that I wrote, but oki I will be more careful with my writing..

OtrO DiAOtrO DiA 15:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Please see my reply on ANI board. Tnx.

Please see my reply on ANI board. Tnx.

Lynch Mob (band)

FYI, I've undeleted this, see my comments on Talk:Lynch Mob (band). Friday (talk) 19:28, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Have you looked at the talk page

Of nakba day ?

For days I have tried to present there sources, alternatives etc...

Evetually it detoyorated into an edit wat (which I was not pasrt of) on the exact number of vilages destroyed in the 1948 war. There is a different article to cover that topic. Ever since I made my edit (and declared on talk that I will not make any other edit to this article until mediator is found) things calmed down except a revert by the parime editwarrior Ian.

In any case, what i disagree with you is that you shouild look at the whole issue and if someone close to the issue (like ramaliite who disgree with my edit) tells you that my intention are not malicious you should take this into consideration. I think it was wrong on Tony to intevine the way he did. Zeq 19:54, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

User:tasc

InShaneee, can you go soft on Tasc? I'm an uninvolved party who stumbled across the discussion on AN/I since I had seen a disturbing pattern by User:Ardenn on an article I actually know something about. Seems Ardenn behaved in a similar way and swooped in to an article where Tasc was active, tagged it as not npov or disputed (I forget which), and true to pattern was quite contentious about it when Tasc wondered what was going on. Tasc was provoked (perhaps that was Ardenn's intention, I am not sure) into a somewhat uncivil reply which prompted your involvement, and the situation deteriorated from there. I was originally going to ask you to reduce the block, since 48 hours is a long time for provoked incivility, even if combined with smart-alecky replies to you. If Tasc has been sending you abusive emails, you're probably not terribly inclined to do that, but can you at least just ignore them? Let Tasc calm down, and when he returns to editing let's see if something needs to be done with the underlying issue, which I think may be Ardenn, though I may be wrong. I've left a calm-down message on Tasc's page. Thanks, Martinp 00:13, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Storahtelling

Hi, I saw Storahtelling on Newpages, and I don't think it's speediable. The article claimed the group has toured throughout the U.S. and internationally; if it were a band, that would qualify it for WP:MUSIC. Could you please undelete it? Melchoir 02:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC) ...Thanks! Melchoir 02:54, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

The Marianas

I provided a citation for my statement about reproduction in the Marianas Islands; I hope that's good enough. DS 19:59, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

FYI

Check out Life Online with Bob Parsons. Misplaced Pages is tonite. Ardenn 00:38, 11 May 2006 (UTC) Template:Utverylong

Changing userboxes at most a content dispute?

You claimed that vandalizing Template:User Christian was at most a content dispute. If I changed the Template:User WPCVG into a long rant against computer and video games (with an offensive animated graphics to add insult), would you call it a content dispute? And if I did less and changed the userbox only at one user's page (yours, of course!), would it be less than a content dispute? Don't worry, I do not plan to vandalize your page. I just try to show you that changing the message hundreds of users have chosen for their userpages is no content dispute. It's multiple vandalism of userpages. It's so obvious to me I can't see how anyone may disagree. If you do disagree, I believe it's time to copy the sourcecode of all the userboxes I use directly to my userpage. Otherwise, I can have soon "content disputes" on my userpage every day. Friendly Neighbour 18:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Prometheuspan

One of the warnings on this users talk page states "This is your first legit warning. If you continue to make personal attacks, you may be blocked for disruption. --InShaneee 02:20, 10 May 2006 (UTC)" It is signed by you. Did you actually insert the "first legit warning" business or was this the user's doing? If you didn't then that's vandalism of a warning isn't it? --Strothra 21:00, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

?

What is the problem?

new article

I just created a new article for 2001. I noticed that you were quick to "move pic to fix formatting." Just wanted to let you know, I appreciate the quick attention. Thanks. Jason Palpatine 00:59, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I DID NOT WRITE THE BELOW ITEM!!!!!! and I don't know who did. Jason Palpatine 01:19, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Umm...

Why did you delete, and then protect, the article I re-wrote (after you origanly deleted it) about the band "Fuck on the Beach"? This is a real band. The link I put in the article was put there to prove the existance of the band. The band also meets two of the criteria listed in WP:BAND I am not someone who is just writing random nonsence to be funny. The band is listed in the article for "power violence" but did not have an article assosiated with the band. I realize that the article had little information in it, but it contained all the information I knew. If you had allowed it to stay up for more than 5 minutes other people may have added to the article. You have made me angry.Seizurebot1011 01:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Heja helweda

This user is questionning my value of judgement over a non-reliable, "translation" of a non-verifable source, by saying this:

"Sorry. But you are not in a position to question the scientific value of a Journal published on the history of the Kurds. Are you specialized in this field (Kurdish history)?"

Can you please remind him that..this is not how wikipedia works? apparently my long explanation of it and SouthernComfort's , wasn't enough, and he has put the information back in the article, for the 5th time in the last month -- - K a s h 01:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Willy on wheels!

His block was still there, but his Talk page wasn't protected, so he could edit it all he wanted. It is now protected. User:Zoe| 02:30, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Edit conflict

I did because it belongs to User: Linuxerist as well, and he is a good ccontributer, so he would be blocked as well, they are brothers. Whopper 12:04, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Togrol

I am speechless by this user, he first started by comments such as where he said the term "Iran" is outdated now..

Please read the edit summary :

"Your censor and anti-Turkish behavior is embarassing. another intersting thing in Iran is they skill in 'art of censor' which made them universally knwon!"

and

and :

"Turks ruled Iran for thousands years".

His contributions are..again un-labellable! . -- - K a s h 12:13, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Timothy Usher is making personal attacks and accusations against user:Zereshk

He is singling him out and making speculations that are degrading to the editor's integraty. 72.57.230.179 19:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

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72.57.230.179 19:32, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

InShaneee,

I direct you to User talk:129.111.56.195, where Zereshk has conceded that he was the user behind these comments and stated that he’d merely forgotten to log in, an explanation inconsistent with his wilful signing of comments as “anon observer”, , .

Zereshk has affected an inappropriately threatening tone on my User talk page: . He boasts of editors being banned, and characterizes my identification of his anonymous posts with his regular username as hostility towards and an attack on him.Timothy Usher 21:01, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Inshanee,

This user has called me an anti-semite, and you did nothing about it. I find that highly interesting that you forward me a warning instead. I suppose I have to take some action regarding this matter, as it puts you in a questionable position.

Nor do I concede that that IP number was me. Tim did not post the entire message that I wrote there. He posted you part of it. He is therfore being untruthful to you (i.e. lying). This is the entire sentence I wrote to him:

"An IP address by itself is not an "account". Sometimes, I may forget to log in, like everyone else, when editing. Sometimes, WP keeps throwing me out for some reason, so I have to keep logging back in. And sometimes, the anon user is not me, because I often use public terminals, and there are many other people at U of Texas that share the same ideas I do. Im sure you realize that UT is the 3rd largest university in population in America (over 185,000 students I presume).--Zereshk 21:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

There are hundreds, if not thousands of WP account holders from my domain, and 10 times as many IP addresses in the U Texas system, where I write from.

I urge you to reconsider taking sides with Tim. Admins are prohibited from doing so.--Zereshk 21:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Inshanee, you have absolutely no evidence to explain or justify yourself in warning me. I challenge you to provide evidence that this post is considered an attack. And you still have not issued Tim a warning for calling me an anti-semite, nor for leveling a false accusation against me. I'll be waiting to see how you handle this matter.--Zereshk 21:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I did in fact post you the link on April 25th on your talk page. And you did nothing about it. See here: Or: Link of anti-semitism remark by Tim in response to my comment/edit.

And secondly, "being argumentative" is no reason whatsoever at all to issue someone a warning, nor does it constitute a personal attack. That's taking things a bit too far, and you know it. That's why we have talk pages: To "boldly" argue on the article.

As for him falsely accusing me of sockpuppetry (which IS considered an attack), here is the link. He has even made a WP category called "sockpuppets of Zereshk" against me. (see the top of the anon user's page). That is considered slander, and is a highly offensive form of attack against other opposing users.--Zereshk 22:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Zereshk, I have no problem with you exposing Aucaman’s sockpuppetry. My issue was with your own use of sockpuppetry, which I solved by signing your comments for the anon IP and identifying it with your regular username. Despite the dishonesty of your explanation and your inappropriate threat on my user talk page, I did nothing to take it any further until I was compelled to defend myself against 72.57.230.179’s complaint on this page..

You complained to Pepsidrinka and InShaneee that I’d called you anti-Semitic , , , but the edits about which you’d complained, , discussed passages in the article, not you personally, which may be one reason (in addition to your failure to provide diffs) why your complaint was ignored.

See Talk:Iran-Iraq War#Possibly selling weapons through Israel? for the discourse context in which these comments appeared.

You then stated on the talk page that I’d called you anti-semitic which I denied, and apologized for any impression to the contrary .

I am very surprised to learn that you've been harboring this perceived slight.

And I’m baffled by your claim that “, Tim, have been an ally and backer of Aucaman,” with whom I’ve had very little contact, and as to why you now feel you must take a “position against .”Timothy Usher 22:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Inshanee, you need to pay attention to the article's history and talk page more closely before brushing me off. Tim's "anti-semitic" remark came as a direct response to my edits, and nothing else. I dont know why youre defending him so actively.

Secondly, I am still waiting for you to show me evidence on where exactly does this post contain an attack or an "uncivil" remark. Your response of it being an attack merely on grounds of "being argumentative" is t-o-t-a-l-l-y absurd. Arguments are in fact allowed on talk pages. Furthermore, Tim is ignoring WP:AGF by assuming that whatever anon user posts something against him must be a sockpuppet of me, merely because of my position in the article.--Zereshk 22:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Please unblock me

I am a veteran (>1000 edit) Wiki User. For some strange reason, you have me blocked from working on the main body of a page I just created Lou Graham, yet I can edit other pages and the templates in this article. I don't understand how or why this happened.--Hokeman 20:00, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I just tried it four times, + loggged in/out. It says that you are trying to block a troll named GOH in redlinks.--Hokeman 20:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

• Hooray for InShaneee. The old Hoke is back in business.--Hokeman 21:03, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Can you Mediate?

I do not want an edit war to start, but my edits which I was verifying were reverted without plausible cuase. I am engaged in diolgue and reaching out to the other party. 72.57.230.179 20:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC)