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Archived 2011

I archived 31 topics of 2011 in /Archive_6. -Wikid77 17:20, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

I archived 11 topics of 2011 in /Archive_6. -Wikid77 20:12, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I archived 37 topics of 2011 in /Archive_6. -Wikid77 12:52, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

I archived 37 topics of 2011 in /Archive_6. -Wikid77 12:52, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

I archived 13 more topics of 2011 in /Archive_6. -Wikid77 13:10, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Archived 2012

I archived 50 topics of 2012 in /Archive_7. -Wikid77 05:36, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Your perspective would be of value

Hi there. I would appreciate it if you could visit Talk:Muhammad. The article, Muhammad, has changed significantly since it originally passed WP:GA several years ago. It now states in the opening paragraph that Mohammad is the Founder of Islam and has relegated to a note at the end of the article that Muslims, themselves don't believe this. I have started a discussion on the talk page concerning this and would value your input. Thanks so much. Veritycheck (talk) 01:01, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Your suggestions on Jimbo's page

Concerning your comments on Jimbo's talk page, I'm not sure that's the most effective place to express your suggestions. You may want to add your ideas and feedback here, where the actual development is taking place. – Confession0791 03:34, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

ANI

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Re: Burnout and Meltdown of admins

Many will disagree, but I think that is one of your better ideas. How about creating a subpage and fleshing this out with the help of other editors and admins? Viriditas (talk) 07:08, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

My primary objection is the narrow scope. Burnout and meltdown affects all users, editor and admin alike. After all, admins are just editors with a few extra buttons. Your essay would reach a wider audience if you widened the scope. Viriditas (talk) 09:55, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

BTW, I want to congratulate you on your dedication to trying to solve problems on Misplaced Pages. You deserve an award. Viriditas (talk) 23:05, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	For your dedication in trying to solve problems and for presenting new ideas. Please keep up the fantastic work. Viriditas (talk) 23:07, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

How about a community-elected "Adminship Committee"?

Broken template

Something is broken in the table at Template:Convert/list of units/length and also at Template:Convert/list of units/length/impus. It seems to be something to do with conversion of Hand (unit). The template structure is too complicated for me to easily work out were the problem came from. Could you check your edits to Template:Convert/hand to make sure they are not at fault? SpinningSpark 13:03, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

There is also Template:Convert/Dual/LinAinDbSoff which is called by one of the sub-templates but is a redlink. It has been repeatedly moved but I really have no idea what effect that is having or if it needs fixing. SpinningSpark 13:15, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

• DONE. I have created the missing templates to fix those cases. Thanks for reporting the problems. -Wikid77 (talk) 21:25, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

  I am still seeing an error message on the page. screenshot added. SpinningSpark 23:29, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

FIXED. In Template:Convert/list of units/length/impus, I had to redo the "hand" unit as a hard-coded row in the documentation table, to avoid numeric error when trying to display a hand-unit conversion which uses a non-standard conversion method. As I feared years ago, all of those "Convert/list_of_units" subpages should have been rewritten as simple, hard-coded table entries, easier for other users to edit, rather than risk an almost incomprehensible numeric error when trying to force the conversion-unit subtemplates to reveal their live internal "standard conversion factor" because some units, such as hands, do not use a standard factor. As you might know in computer science, such multi-level auto-generated documentation tables are considered a case of being "too clever" to auto-gen text which is better written by hand, even if outdated, rather than being almost unmodifiable for exceptions to unit-conversion factors, where software is changed and then the documentation "breaks" and becomes unreadable as a complex debugging challenge. Thank you for taking the extra time to follow this overly complex problem which has existed for almost a year in the Template:Convert documentation. -Wikid77 01:06, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

No, thank you for actually understanding this mess. SpinningSpark 07:50, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

GOCE May drive recognition

In recognition of your help and support This barnstar is awarded to Wikid77 for copy editing 24 articles during the Guild of Copy Editors May backlog elimination drive, and for helping out tirelessly behind the scenes throughout the year: making suggestions, helping out with quality control, and answering questions on the project talk pages. Your efforts are noticed and appreciated. -- Dianna (talk) 00:13, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Mustapha Benboulaid apologies

Dear Wikid 77, It seems we were both editing this page at the same time. When I went to save, and there was an edit conflict, I thought I had done something wrong (because I had been doing a lot of previewing back and forth) and had just hit a snag so I copied and pasted my version. I want to apologise and to say please revert to your version if you would like to. Again, most sorry, Myrtle.Myrtlegroggins (talk) 10:38, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Ping

Another template question

Greetings Wikid. Sorry about the long discussion about the Particle templates, I never intended for it to be that complex but it sounds like its paying off and will be a net benefit in the end thanks to your hard work. I stumbled onto another one but before I start another long discussion I thought I would ask you first. The 2 templates I found are Template:LPR (about 320 subpages) and Template:LSR (about 720 subpages). Both of which have a large number of subpages not being used apparently. Do you think this would be a good candidate for a merge? It seems like we could at least combine the 2 groups into 2 templates but I thought it might be possible to just combine them all into one and set the Preview/Stable as a parameter since it seems a lot of the subpages are equal (but not all nor would they necessarily be I think, not sure). Anyway I just thought I would ask your opinion before I crack open another bag of worms. Cheers. Kumioko (talk) 00:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

• Looks like Template:LSR violates WP:NOT: Those subtemplates of Template:LSR (such as "Template:Latest stable release/Emacspeak") each contain many lines of text, for source footnotes, so they would not combine as easily as the 1-line particle-symbol subtemplates. However, beyond that, the whole concept of dedicating subtemplates to software product releases, as a directory of current versions, seems to violate WP:NOT, where "Misplaced Pages is not a directory service" and so the whole set of {LSR} should be removed, as merged into product articles, where reporting the specific product version numbers is beyond the scope of Misplaced Pages. There could be similar improper directory subtemplates, which would be excessive use of Misplaced Pages to maintain a directory service, such as:

• {Latest_song/Kylie_Monogue}, {Latest_song/Madonna}
• {Current_age/President_Obama}, {Current_age/Margaret_Thatcher}}
• {Current_job/Simon_Cowell} or {Latest_film/Julia_Roberts}, etc.

Such subtemplates should be removed as promoting a directory service, of current information (not unlike current telephone numbers), when Misplaced Pages articles should be focused on historical, older data, rather than "breaking news" or the "latest fashion" or other leading-edge information. If people want to know the latest versions of a software product, then they need to contact each software vendor, directly, and not expect Misplaced Pages to maintain a parts-list inventory of the latest available product specifications. Perhaps some people want a project as WikiInventory. -Wikid77 (talk) 03:27, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Thats on interesting point I hadn't thought about. I'll probably submit those for deletion then and see what happens. Thanks again. Kumioko (talk) 13:55, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Editor data

I'm trying to get my head around the data in your Jimbo post. What is the significance of the color?--SPhilbrick(Talk) 14:57, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

• The "darkgreen" numbers shown an increase from the same month in the prior year, while the "brown" numbers show a decrease when compared to the other year. However, some people have noted the importance of the month length to give longer months higher editor counts, so the data should also be divided by #days in a month before comparing. Especially for February, the value varies greatly when divided as x/28 or x/29 rather than x/31 as active editors-per-day in the month. -Wikid77 (talk) 23:38, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

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calibration needed again

I noticed that you recalibrated the map at Template:Location map CanadaGeo back in 2008 - someone subsequently changed the image and it needs recalibrating again and I cannot find the information to do it myself. Could you either recalibrate it again, or point me in the right direction? - thanks!NiD.29 (talk) 18:46, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

• I will try to adjust the new image to fit the original size. -Wikid77 (talk) 01:45, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks - much appreciated

Templates

I appreciate your comments at Jimbo's page, but I haven't understood some of the details, for example, the relative benefits of eliminating versus shortening templates, or why Vancouver citations would be so much better than the other kind. I think that it would be very useful for you to write up an essay (perhaps later to become a guideline) describing comprehensively how to improve page load times. This should only describe things that are currently doable, not proposed changes to software, and the most crucial bit is that data you were citing about exactly what slows down the page load by how much. Wnt (talk) 19:25, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

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merger: Oven temperatures and Gas Mark

I have added a link to Gas Mark (British oven data) to "your" Oven temperatures (US data) and suggest that they should be merged (possibly by me). — Saltmarsh 05:18, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Template:Subatomic particle

Greetings Wikid, I was just wondering what the end result was with the modifications you made to this template. I see the discussion was archived but it doesn't look like the change was ever implemented. Kumioko (talk) 15:47, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

• We need to get agreement from the template-fixer admins, to install the Template:Subatomic_particle/sandbox version as the live version. The problem might be some admins are not convinced yet. -Wikid77 (talk) 00:00, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Ok thanks. Kumioko (talk) 16:07, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Facts and figures time

• Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy)#How to fix Misplaced Pages

This is your cue. Uncle G (talk) 23:00, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

• Answered. Thanks. -Wikid77 (talk) 00:00, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Fcitation

You need to stop deploying this template and its kin so rashly. I just fixed India after you broke it. By not supporting as much, dropping this in breaks things. India uses {{sfn}} and they all broke. You should install:

• importScript('User:Ucucha/HarvErrors.js');
• User:Ucucha/HarvErrors

My fix does not overflow the template preprocessing. The India article is a mess for other reasons; a bunch of the sfns are still not working out. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 04:09, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

• Please stop deploying these new templates and discuss the issue. I've left notes for several other editors that should be involved. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 05:11, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Since you've not replied and have continued deploying this (@Andora), I've bumped it to:

• Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Wikid77 and new 'fast' citation templates

Don't get me wrong, I am in favour of optimising the standard templates. I don't, however, believe forks are appropriate or that the functionality and supported parameters should be so reduced. I hope you will seek to improve the current templates. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 05:50, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

• Okay, I will join the discussion at WP:ANI. -Wikid77 (talk) 08:34, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
  • It's been shifted to Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical)#Wikid77 and new 'fast' citation templates, although Template talk:Citation/core#new 'fast' citation templates might be better. NB: They're orphans, now. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 10:37, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Have you seen the {{vcite}} series of templates? These templates serve the same purpose (much faster page load times). Further they have been around for quite awhile and are used in a number of articles (see for example pain) and importantly they do not seem to have the same problems mentioned above. Boghog (talk) 08:38, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• Yes, thank you. Those templates for Vancouver style were part of the basis for Template:Fcite, but they have a very different style which would require a consensus discussion to re-style each article. Instead, Fcite_web and Fcite_book are intended to format with the same style as Cite_web, so per WP:CITEVAR, no prior discussion would be needed to use the Fcite versions, and so the Fcite templates are in the Cite family, as showing the same reference-style as displayed. I think if we get enough people together, to consider any potential problems, then the Fcite templates can be modified enough to be accepted for general use. -Wikid77 (talk) 09:09, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Fcite

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Category:Templates with minimum expansion depth

A couple of templates, {{str case title word}} and {{fixcaps}}, which you created, are in this nonexistent category. Is there a reason? — This, that, and the other (talk) 00:44, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks. I fixed as link Category:Templates with minimal expansion depth rather than "~minimum~" in those 2 templates. -Wikid77 (talk) 16:08, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Your help would be appreciated

I cannot discuss the matter here on your talk page, but if you would email me at uno1dos2tres3quatro4@gmail.com (or simply post your email address below this message) I would greatly appreciate it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.239.63.5 (talk) 03:20, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Citation Barnstar
	For your attempts to improve load times of large pages. This is work those of us who actually write content appreciate tremendously. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your talk page please reply on mine) 15:48, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

COI+ certification proposal

I've thought of an idea that might break our current logjam with paid editing. I'd love your sincere feedback and opinion.

• WP:COI certification

Feel free to circulate this to anyone you think should know about it, but please recognize that it hasn't been agreed upon by either PR organizations or WikiProjects or the wider community. It's also just a draft, so any/many changes can still be made. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi 15:16, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

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Ralph Patt

Thanks for the help! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:57, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Changing "surname"

Hi, Wikid77. In this edit you changed an instance of "surname" in article text into "last". If you're doing a lot of these, you'll need to watch out for that. Kanguole 15:23, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

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Convert#Conversion of long tons and long hundred weights

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Question about templates

Hi Wikid, if you have time, would you mind explaining to me (in simple language if possible) exactly why citation templates slow down load time so much? My understanding after this discussion in 2010 was that, as another editor put it:

Anytime you put something within Template:Squigglies, you are telling the MW software to swap in the contents of the template page with appropriate parameters AND THEN SCAN THE PAGE AGAIN to see if one of the new parameters contains a template, which then gets expanded the same way.

I got a little confused about your new templates being faster because they had fewer parameters. Is the number of parameters the main/only issue, or is it the way the servers handle templates in general? The reason I'm asking is that I'm thinking of posting a question about this somewhere for the Foundation, and I would like to avoid sounding like an idiot. We have a significant percentage of pages that just won't load now in anything approaching a reasonable time, and as the Foundation is concerned about editor retention this should be an issue that's getting attention. SlimVirgin 21:07, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

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This article hit the post-expand include size limits due to >500 cites, mostly web pages. Using fcite web cut the expand size from 2048000/2048000 to 844717/2048000 and the server/preview time from 35-40s to 18-21s. Letting you know. Gimmetoo (talk) 16:42, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Cite quick has expand size 909929/2048000 bytes. A little worse, but changed per your note. Gimmetoo (talk) 20:46, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Where is documentation that this is a "compromise"? Gimmetoo (talk) 12:34, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Colors

Hey, I just caught these edits. What the hell did you do that for?—Ryulong (琉竜) 00:29, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: Thanks for patience with Taxobox changes

Hi Wikid77, thanks for your note on my talk page. I understand the need to fix the expansion depth limit issue. But any changes will need to be throughly tested before being implemented to ensure it does not break the taxoboxes. Do you have any examples where you get the "Page exceeded...depth" error? — Ganeshk (talk) 02:16, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Am I correct?

At the TfD about {{remove first word}}, I have done a newPP research. Maybe you could take a look, and especially check my reporting (for faults & flaws). -DePiep (talk) 14:26, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks again

Thank you for your technical help with porting the Cite_pmid templates. The plan for now is to get Birth control to GA status, and then produce a version which is very easy to translate to other language wikipedias which might not have very much cite template support. Your help will be invaluable then, and I'll ping you if I run into trouble then. —Cupco 19:59, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

thanks

Thanks for your help with {{Ranking movements}} however next time please be sure to use and update the sandbox. Same goes to {{NCAA Division I FBS football ranking movements}}. --ben_b (talk) 10:04, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Wiki is slowing down due to scripts (or other, too?)

Wikid77, you usually know about software problems. The slowing of wiki downloads and getting messages like "a script is running slow..." in IE, no matter the connection and the speed of the computer used is up again. there were threads on several boards in the last 2 to 3 weeks and while the problem seemed to be solved in between for a few days, it came back and persists. Any clue how to solve this or who is responsible for so one knows on which board to post that problem? Much appreciated if you could help as I'm not the only one affected by that.

Thanks, TMCk (talk) 02:17, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

• Disable browser's JavaScript setting: The slow-down also occurs in Firefox, as well as IE, and the quick fix (for each separate user) is for each person to set their browser options to disable running of JavaScript. Apparently, JavaScript is used for the tool-bar above the edit-buffer area during edit-preview, on the Vector-style skin. I am not sure why it is running so slowly, except that most scripts (and maintenance templates) on Misplaced Pages are being expanded as larger (and slower) each year. It has been somewhat slow for years, but very slow now in Firefox as well. In computer science, this is called "Wirth's Law" as most computers are still too slow for the complexity of scripts which people cobble together. -Wikid77 (talk) 08:31, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your time, Wikid. I do have the same problem on fast computers and thanks to you I now know how to name it (the "Wirth's Law"). Wish developers, at least on wiki, would think more user friendly.TMCk (talk) 16:37, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

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Arab Spring

Hi. Template:Navbox at the bottom of this page is not shown up. Can you fix this? --Meno25 (talk) 08:25, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Population of Leti island

In your last edit to the article Leti Islands, you claim that Leti island has a population of almost 7000. According to the 2010 census results, the island had a population of more than 7500. Are you using older numbers, or did more than 500 people leave the island in the last two years? --Tjibbe I (talk) 22:30, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Templates

I just wanted to leave a note to say "thanks" for your work on optimizing templates. I'm still lukewarm about the notion of multiplying the number of cite templates, but I'm glad you've been experimenting with the Lua templates. I stand in humble admiration of your technical talents, and look forward to the edit-speed improvements as their use is phased in. Choess (talk) 13:50, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Page editing problems

Hello Wikid77, I was referred to you about a problem I am experiencing with WP's page editor on the Bibliography of early American naval history page. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 05:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

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Small numbers

I noticed that in your edits to knight (chess) you used numerals 2 and 4. According to wp:numeral they should be spelled out. Bubba73 23:25, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Expansion depth change

Hi Wikid77, Please look into the issues that Stemonitis has reported here, Template_talk:Automatic_taxobox#Fix_Automatic_taxobox_PAGENAME_depth. BTW on Agapanthus, he is referring to the clades on the taxobox as unranked higher taxa. They went missing after the change. — Ganeshk (talk) 12:14, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Abuse

Please redact this edit and do not use my father's disability in such a manner again. Once might be a slip: five times is WP:ABUSE. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:01, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Quotes around scientific names

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You've recently edited a lot of articles, adding quotation marks around valid scientific names. In paleontology, quotation marks around scientific names indicate that the name is a nomina nuda, not a valid scientific name. I've removed the quotes around the ones on my watchlist, but I don't know how many other articles you've formatted like this. Firsfron of Ronchester 13:51, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Rhythm (respell)

Thanks for creating this page - hopefully it will lead to fewer misspellings in the future.
I like the fact that, currently, it all fits on a single, coarse format (1152 x 864) screen, but wonder how much more information can/should be added, and at what point it becomes over-complex and reaches WP:TLDNR.
As an example of what could be added, the Japanese pop duo Rythem appear on 35 pages, and many uses of "rythem" are on other Japanese articles, probably because many Japanese editors do not realise it is a mispelling.
Conversely, I suspect reference to the Amazing Rhythm Aces album How the Hell Do You Spell Rythum? is going too far, albeit summing up a lot of editors' opinions.

If you'd like to try another example, Google reckons the most misspelled word in its searches is Restaurant (Restuarant, Resturant, Restaraunt, Restauraunt, Resteraunt, Resterant, Restarant, Restraunt, Restrant - I've found them all).

Thanks for your interest, although it doesn't deal with my frustrations regarding redirects from misspellings - one day Misplaced Pages will become saturated with redirects, and the more there are, the worse the spelling will become.
Arjayay (talk) 18:08, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Infopobox power station

Hi, Wikid77. Your recent edit for Template:Infobox power station created a problem for article using multiply infoboxes; e.g. Narva Power Plants. Beagel (talk) 05:16, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

More particularly, the problem occurs by using Firefox browser (putting infoboxes next to each others instead of putting the second infobox below the first one). Beagel (talk) 05:27, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

I am checking the results now. I have removed the recent outer <table> to test operation with a /sandbox version. -Wikid77 (talk) 05:40, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox

I undid your revisions to Template:Infobox park. I am aware that other templates such as {{Infobox NRHP}} use this method. I feel strongly that it makes the template more difficult to maintain while adding little of value to the documentation page. If the documentation is well written, the added data is redundant. I you wish, I can go into more detail. –droll  20:37, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

I've looked over your edited version and I have tried to accommodate a few of your changes. I added {{{image_width}}} and {{{image_size}}} to the code for the tracking category. Also, I'm working on a version of the template {{least}} that will not choke if px is appended. See Template:Least/sandbox and Template:Least/testcases. –droll  00:52, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	No matter how long it took for doing it, thank you very much for creating Template:Str_sub/any. The most important is that when necessity arise you were here to help us all. Again, thank you! OTAVIO1981 (talk) 12:55, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

MW convert

I noticed that a convert template was added for Westlands Solar Park to convert 2,700 MW to 3,620,800 hp. In my opinion horsepower is only appropriate for motors, not to power plants. The only power plant I know of that it was included in was in the 100 year old solar plant by Frank Shuman, which was used to pump water. What is useful, though, if available, is the expected kWh/year output (in GWh/year), and of course, the cost. One estimate puts it at around $5 billion. Apteva (talk) 02:35, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Gallery Template

• May I ask you to address the issue expressed here? I'm having exactly the same problem trying to use the template in ru.wiki.
• On a relating issue, if any alterations to the template are made here, in en-Wiki, are they automatically propagated to all wikis? Or separate updates should be done locally?

-- Thank you, KeepOptions 10:25, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

• I will try to fix the missing-caption problem. Each wiki must update its own version of the Gallery template. -Wikid77 (talk) 10:51, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

  Thank you, I'd really appreciate it. I personally think that automatic alignments are the greatest feature of this template, so I'd hate to see vertical alignment to stay broken. So after you make a fix, I (or somebody else) will have to transfer the changes to ru.Wiki, correct? KeepOptions 10:56, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, copy Template:Gallery/aux: The fix to show the captions is a change inside Template:Gallery/aux, which should be copied over to ru.Wiki (into "ru:Шаблон:Галерея файлов/aux") and put an interwiki link back to enwiki, plus reset the category, on ru.Wiki as:

• Interwiki link to enwiki:   ]
• Link category: ]

Thanks for helping. --Wikid77 13:42, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank YOU for helping. I copied the new version, and captions appeared, however there is another problem. Please, look at the gallery at ru:Выпадение прямой кишки#Классификация стадий заболевания. Notice that the captions are narrower than they ought to be, and my hypothesis is that the height of an image instead of its width is being used as the width of captions. Could you take a look at that too? KeepOptions 14:52, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

• Changed ru:Шаблон:Галерея_файлов/aux for cellwidth=width+7: I have updated the template ru:Шаблон:Галерея_файлов/aux to base cellwidth on {{{width}+7, else use: {{{height}}}*1.20+20 + 7. Also see image captions in article "ru:Ясенево (район Москвы)". Thank you for noting the problem with captions based on height versus width. --Wikid77 16:28, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to trouble you again, but in ru:Выпадение прямой кишки#Классификация стадий заболевания, there is yet another problem with the captions. The bold red error message in there means "Error in expression. Unexpected operator <" in English. ru:Ясенево (район Москвы) works fine, and it probably worked fine before since both parameters height and width are specified in the gallery template in that article. KeepOptions 17:26, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

I have added "+0" into the calculations to handle "width=" null, but I will think about another way to widen the captions when the width parameter is empty. -Wikid77 (talk) 18:04, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok. I wish I could help, but I didn't learn much about templates. BTW, could you recommend good pages/sources to start figuring out how complex templates are created? KeepOptions 18:22, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox map

I reverted your edits to {{Infobox map}} because at least one of them broke the template. I'm sure some of your edits were valuable. I think some should be reintroduced. I strongly object to your use of includeonly tags as I mentioned above. –droll  02:01, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Let me add to what Droll is saying. While it's great that you're fixing problems with the expansion depth, several of your edits are harming the templates. For example, this edit broke the formatting and some of the features of the documentation box. I restored those with a series of edits that does not cause expansion depth errors.

I would urge you to slow down and be more careful in your editing of the templates: we can keep the functionality of the templates while fixing expansion depth errors. I am happy to help out -- Droll, you, and I can work together to fix expansion depth problems without impairing the templates.

Thanks for listening! —hike395 (talk) 04:53, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Jason Quinn (talk) 21:15, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request

Hi Wikid, Can you take a stab at this request, Template_talk:Speciesbox#Edit_request. — Ganeshk (talk) 20:27, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

The change did not seem to work. Please see my note on the talk page. — Ganeshk (talk) 04:00, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

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Help needed

Hi Wikid77, I need your help on Template_talk:Speciesbox#Italics_2. Something wierd is happing with species that have long genus names. — Ganeshk (talk) 16:55, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Issue with Template:Taxobox/showtaxon

Hi, when you altered the automatic taxobox system to use this new template, it seems that you didn't quite get right the set of taxon ranks which need italicizing. For example, "sectio" was missing, which caused one of the issues discussed at Template talk:Automatic taxobox#Case-sensitive auto-italicization trigger for Species field?. I'm not quite sure which part of the older code this new template replaced, so I can't check whether that code italicized other taxon ranks which still aren't in the new template. Thanks. Peter coxhead (talk) 11:13, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

A separate point about this template: as far as I understand the coding, Template:Taxobox/taxonomy cell is no longer used – your new Template:Taxobox/showtaxon replaces it. However, your new template still uses Template:Taxobox/taxonomy cell/display. I would suggest duplicating this to Template:Taxobox/showtaxon/display and invoking that instead. Reason: if I am correct, Template:Taxobox/taxonomy cell is now redundant, so it's odd to have a subpage which is not; this change would make the invocation hierarchy clearer. (I used to teach software engineering, so I know that names matter!) Peter coxhead (talk) 12:10, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Template:Taxobox/taxonomy/ex3

As part of the same set of changes (to achieve the highly desirable effect of reducing expansion depth), I see that the logic of Template:Taxobox/taxonomy/ex3 is quite different to that of Template:Taxobox/taxonomy/3. I'm not happy about this change, which has the effect of permanently embedding particular and often disputed classifications into the automatic taxobox system, whereas all the hierarchy was previously picked up via the "Template:Taxonomy/TAXON" templates. Is there any reason why Template:Taxobox/taxonomy/ex3 can't simply mirror Template:Taxobox/taxonomy/ex2 and Template:Taxobox/taxonomy/ex1 as Smith609's original did? Peter coxhead (talk) 17:11, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Omitting PAGENAME broke Template:Automatic_taxobox

Hi, we're having this conversation over several threads, so let's keep it here – I now understand that Ganeshk wasn't an independent editor but was doing stuff for you because he's an admin.

The pages that are currently in Category:Pages where expansion depth is exceeded but weren't before a partial restore of the previous logic are there because they don't use the taxon parameter but rely on picking up the taxon name from the page name. The right solution is to fix this, i.e. require the taxon parameter. Then the coding of the automatic taxobox system can be made simpler.

What we really need is someone who can run a bot – do you know anything about this? Any page in Category:Pages where expansion depth is exceeded which uses {{Automatic taxobox}} without the taxon parameter needs |taxon=last part of page name added.

I've checked this category for any pages with disambiguating text (like " (genus)") and manually fixed them. So I'll ask Ganeshk to undo the change I asked him to make and the documentation can be changed to say that the taxon parameter is required if the page name is not exactly the taxon name. If my bot suggestion can be carried out, then the next step is to make the taxon parameter compulsory. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:39, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

If/when you do some more work on the automatic taxonomy templates, can I ask you to please leave a note at Template_talk:Automatic_taxobox? Then editors active with the taxoboxes can watch for changes. Thanks. Peter coxhead (talk) 21:15, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your note at Template_talk:Automatic_taxobox. I'm replying here because I think most people there are not interested in the technicalities, they just need to know when changes are being made so they can watch for side-effects.

I agree with you that the main need is for fast string-handling facilities, and dropping down/out to Lua for these is the first step to try. If/when these do become available, please let me know in case I haven't noticed. There are some other templates that I have worked on where such facilities would be very helpful.

There is also a problem with {{Taxobox/showtaxon}} which can only be properly fixed by further string processing: it needs to detect whether italics are already present in the link value and not add them if so. User:Peter coxhead/Test/T3 is a version that does this, but should not be deployed because it will cause the expansion depth to be exceeded while it uses an inefficient string handling template to determine whether a substring is present. Peter coxhead (talk) 10:54, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

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Wikid77, you keep bringing up "hyphenated Americans" in a way that makes me wonder if you're missing something. I don't think anyone is proposing using an en dash in phrases like "Asian-American". Nobody is proposing converting all hyphens to dashes. Does that help clarify anything? ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 23:00, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Also, it's patently ridiculous to use a historic ethnic slur as the basis of an argument for policy. — Hex (❝?!❞) 16:26, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, I think Wikid's point was just that those words have been written with hyphens for many years now. Which is true. And we still write them with hyphens. And nobody is suggesting writing them any other way. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 17:52, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

The case has been "Mexican-American War" with a dash, as if it would be thought otherwise as a war about Mexican-Americans, or similarly, a talk of "Italian-American relations" could never involve Italy. Meanwhile, I found the alarming example for astronomers and computer scientists, in "Mariner_1#Program error" ("The most expensive hyphen in history"), which might shed some light on the hideously disruptive playing fast-and-loose with hyphens in astronomy articles. -Wikid77 (talk) 18:40, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

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