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"Accounts of Genghis Khan's life are marked by claims of a series of betrayals and conspiracies. These include rifts with his early allies such as Jamuhha (who also wanted to be a ruler of Mongol tribes) and Wang Khan (his and his father's ally), his son Jochi, and problems with the most important shaman, who was allegedly trying to drive a wedge between him and his loyal brother Khasar. His military strategies showed a deep interest in gathering good intelligence and understanding the motivations of his rivals as exemplified by his extensive spy network and Yam route systems. He seemed to be a quick student, adopting new technologies and ideas that he encountered, such as siege warfare from the Chinese. He was also ruthless, as demonstrated by his measuring against the linchpin tactic used against the tribes led by Jamukha."

in the section _Uniting the confederations_

The (unreferenced) statements above are sandwiched between two contiguous paragraphs of much greater relevancy. The information within is also detailed in other areas of the article.

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• Change to what? —C.Fred (talk) 22:54, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Sorry - please remove the content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.83.30.92 (talk) 00:11, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

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Kazakhians please

Khazakhians please , theory is a theory , fact is fact . Don't try convince theory is a fact . Use indepenedent refers. WWW.nobodynothis site.kz is not a proof . Scientist should have worldwide trustworth .Refers should be in English . Sirmolenko (talk) 12:59, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Kazakhians please

Khazakhians please , theory is a theory , fact is fact . Don't try convince theory is a fact . Use indepenedent refers. WWW.nobodynothis site.kz is not a proof . Scientist should have worldwide trustworth .Refers should be in English . Sirmolenko (talk) 13:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

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About Genghis Khan: not so long ago discovered, or rather, well forgotten old data of his origin, his own ethnos and his affairs

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It must be said, that there are many pro-Chinese and Persian falsifications of the "wild nomads" etc. about the origin of Genghis Khan and his Power in the official History. Primarily we should know the truth about the meaning of the names "Mongol" and "Tatar" (“Tartar") in the medieval Eurasia: the name "Mongol" at least until the 17th-18th centuries meant belonging to a political community, and was not the ethnic name. While “the name "Tatar" was “the name of the native nation of Genghis Khan …” , “… Genghis Khan and his people did not speak the language, which we now call the "Mongolian”…" (Russian academic-orientalist V.P.Vasiliev, 19th century). All of this is confirmed by many little-known facts from Arabic, Chinese, Russian, Tatar, Turkish and West European historical sources. Only this theme about Genghis Khan, rather, the truth about his origin, his native ethnos and his affairs was taboo - as in official history of the Romanov's, so and during the Soviet-Bolshevik regime. A well-grounded rebuttal of these chinese-persian myths about "incredible cruelty of nomadic mongol-tatar conquerors", and about "a war between the Tatars and Genghis Khan", as well as a lot of from the real Tatar (Turkic) History you can learn in the book "Forgotten Heritage of Tatars" (by Galy Yenikeyev), published by Smashwords. There are a lot of previously little-known historical facts, as well as 16 maps and illustrations in this book. This e-book you can easily find in the Internet, on Smashwords company website: http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/175211

On the cover of this book you can see the true appearance of Genghis Khan. It is his lifetime portrait. Notes to the portrait from the book says: "...In the ancient Tatar historical source «About the clan of Genghis-Khan» the author gives the words of the mother of Genghis-Khan: «My son Genghis looks like this: he has a golden bushy beard, he wears a white fur coat and goes on a white horse» . As we can see, the portrait of an unknown medieval artist in many ways corresponds to the words of the mother of the Hero, which have come down to us in this ancient Tatar story. Therefore, this portrait, which corresponds to the information of the Tatar source and to data from other sources, we believe, the most reliably transmits the appearance of Genghis-Khan...". Antonio von Horde (talk) 12:25, 5 January 2013 (UTC) Antonio von Horde (talk) 12:27, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

While this may be interesting, wikipedia is not in the business of being at the forefront of historical research. If this is all true, it will percolate into the secondary sources in time, at which point the article will be updated to reflect that. However, in this case I'm not even really sure what you're advocating for, and there are numerous nationalist or ethnocentric attempts to "lay claim" to Genghis Khan by modern groups, all of which are motivated not be historical discovery or reality, but rather by wishful thinking. The consensus among historians is that "Mongol" is an ethnic designation, applied since the time of Genghis Khan, prior to which it was a tribal designation, and that the Mongols were a nomadic people of the steppers north of China, who were frequently at war with each other (often stirred up and egged on by their Chinese neighbors). The article reflects that. siafu (talk) 14:20, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks for your reply. But it must be said that many facts prove, that the thesis "the Tatars were the enemy of Genghis Khan" was invented by Chinese historians-ideologists in the second half of the 14th century. These Chinese historians were ideologists of those of Chinese politicians, who fought then against the Tatars of the Horde in China. After anti-Tatar data of the composition "about the war Tatars against the Chingiz-Khan" etc. was repeated by Persian politician Rashid ad-Din, who was an enemy of the Tatars of the Golden Horde. I.e. the ideologues of enemies of the Tartars Horde was cleverly used the name of a political community "Mongol" and the ethnic name "Tatar" - after all, these two names were often used together - for example, as the names "Russian" and "Soviet" not so long ago.

Actually, Tatars knew and remembered that Genghis Khan was their ancestor and tribesman since ancient times. Besides, this is stated in many ancient sources - about it is spoken as in the Tatar historical sources, so in many sources of other Nations: Arabic, Chinese, Russian, Turkish and West European. For example, many sources of those times reported that "Tatars are a Turkic tribe, and their king is the Chingiz-Khan" (Arabic Ibn al-Asher, 1219), "in 1187 Tatars had elected a King for themselves, whose name was Genghis-Khan" (Marco Polo, 13-th century), "Tatar's Khan Temuchin declared himself as Emperor and Tatars named his "Genghis-Khan" (a lot of Chinese sources). Such sources, I repeat, are very much, but they are not very known to the General public at the present time. And many of them have been interpreted wrongly.

“…As reported a medieval Persian author, in 1219 the Khorezmshakh's troops went on their last campaign "against the people of Tatar Kadir-khan, the ruler of the Kimak Khaganate". And soon the whole huge army of the Khorezmshakhs was defeated, and their state was destroyed. This happened because "Tatars, led by their King of Chingiz-khan, entered into this war and attacked the troops of the Khorezmshakh" - tells a contemporary of those events, the Arab Ali ibn al-Athir.

Many ancient sources report, that the Tatar states were in those days also on the territories of modern China - on Eastern Turkistan, or Uyghurstan - and further east. There the Tatars settled along the Great Silk Road. This was also reported by Ibn al-Athir. He also wrote that Kharezmshakh, before his army and state were defeated by the Tatars, gave the order to rob and kill the Tatar merchants, which came with the goods from China, and thereafter «undertook a campaign to the Tatar dwelling places, and captured their women and children». (75), (37).

The rulers of several states, located then on the territories of modern China, apparently, also could not tolerate competition from the side of the Tatars on the Great Silk Road. At that time the most aggressive was the Jin Empire in this region.

In 1219 certain Maine-hun was in the General Headquarters of the Tatars as an ambassador from Southern China. He wrote: "Jhin Emperor every three years sent troops far to the West for the plunder and destruction of the Tartars". <…> Finally, the Tatar Emperor Ginghis, who had long suffered from the annoyance of those attacks on his people, gathered a great army and in a single year smashed those robbers of the Jhin" (translated by V. Vasiliev) (20) (37).

So before the "era of Chingiz-Khan", as we see, the position of the Tatars was pretty heavy. It turned out so, that Tatars were competitors for the nobility of the Middle and Far East on the Great Silk Road. Thus, they sent their troops against the Tatars from the south-west and from the east.

But then the situation had changed. The above-mentioned Armenian chronicler Maghakia (XIII century) wrote: "From the Tatars we heard, that at one time, when they were very exhausted by troubles, they suddenly struck a sensible idea: They called on the help of God, and gave Him a great oath to keep His commandments forever. Then came to them an Angel from God in the form of an eagle with golden wings, and, speaking their language, summoned their chief, whose name was Chingiz. The Eagle told him all the commandments of God in their native language”. Further Maghakia reports: “Among these divine laws, which the angel ordered to Genghis, were these: "First is this: to love one another, and secondly: do not commit adultery, not steal, not bear false witness, do not betray anyone (not deceive placed his trust); respect the aged and poor. And the angel commanded the Tatars to rule over many regions and countries and to multiply in huge quantity. And so it happened. These divine laws, which brought the angel from God, Tatars called "Yasak" in their own language”. (52).

It should be explained that "Yasak" this is a slightly distorted old Tatar word "Yazug", another version of this word is "Yazu". In the modern Tatar language is applied the following variant of this word: "Yazu". It literally means "the Scripture ".

Maghakia, as we can see, reports from the words themselves Tatars that Chingiz-Khan united them into a powerful state on the basis of fair and humane laws set out in the Great Yazu. Many facts speak about this, when considered them objectively (38). The Great Yazu of Chingiz-Khan was the main Code of the Great Horde, which can be called the first Constitution in the history of Eurasia. This code of honor, dignity and excellence of virtue, above all, established the following: "One must honor and respect the innocent, fair, scholars, and wise men, to whatever people they may belong; and to condemn the vile, wicked and the unjust people" (Ab-ul-Faraj). And “first of all Chingiz-Khan himself strictly observed the norms of the Great Yazu” (Akhmet Zeki Validi Togan)…” (from the book "Forgotten Heritage of Tatars" - by Galy Yenikeyev). See on Smashwords company website: http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/175211Antonio von Horde (talk) 17:10, 5 January 2013 (UTC) Antonio von Horde (talk) 09:53, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

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