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| Since you have reverted the recent addition; the article does not contain any content added by the subject himself except at the carrier section which has already undergone copyediting from me. So, can that {{tl|COI}} template be removed? If possible, could you also give me some suggestions to improve its neutrality further. Thanks!<span style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.3em 0.2em">···]]/]</span> 21:09, 18 March 2013 (UTC) | Since you have reverted the recent addition; the article does not contain any content added by the subject himself except at the carrier section which has already undergone copyediting from me. So, can that {{tl|COI}} template be removed? If possible, could you also give me some suggestions to improve its neutrality further. Thanks!<span style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.3em 0.2em">···]]/]</span> 21:09, 18 March 2013 (UTC) | ||
| ==The "real" problem== | |||
| I tell you, the obvious problem is the lack of software that checks sock puppets by itself. But the ''real'' problem is what no one wants to talk about: that the people at WMF are always smiling (because they have no deadlines and no competition, so they can feel great) and all the dedicated volunteers on ANI (like you) have to work 10 times as hard (and get stressed) to keep the encyclopedia running using antique software tools. | |||
| No one wants to talk about this: it is the ''unmentionable''. But I have always said that if the programmers at WMF had been working for me, I would have fired them all by now. Twice over. Someone should tell Erik Möller: "get a better sock puppet tool working in 3 months or you are fired". If he does not get it, fire him! But no one ever gets fired at WMF, it is the friendliest culture on earth. No deadlines, no pressure. The work just gets pushed to the dedicated volunteers. That is the real problem. | |||
| It should really take less than 60 days for two smart programmers to get an automated sock puppet system that does not invade privacy (because no one sees the details) but just gives warnings by partial match scoring. The fellow who wrote Cluebot can probably do it in 30 days (I do not know who he is, but he is clearly smart enough). So fire Möller, hire the fellow who wrote Cluebot. Most of these problems will then go away. ] (]) 22:18, 18 March 2013 (UTC) | |||
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I entered alternative explanation to variance in "Genealogy of Jesus" article, of Matthew chapter 1 vs Luke chapter 3.
It was reverted for non-standard sources. It may have been reasonable to request a PROOF of Joseph of Arimathea's linage, being the brother of Heli and uncle of Joseph-ben-Heli.
I believe your editors' are uneducated on the Jewish tradition of placing a Mazuzah at the entrance of tombs. The Mazuzah, an "Epitaph" or genealogical record of pedigree, placed upon doorways to homes AND graves, has been a common practice for over 5000 years. Google it.
The names, in Luke 3.23 "...so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli, the son of Matthat...", in itself is biblical proof of a misconception, not of err in linage. Rather than the passage being a proclamation of factual linage, as your article portrays. And upon which historians have argued for 400 years, and Traditionalists, thus a creation of the rationale, a representation of Mary's linage.
The article included opposing positions, because they are common and documented views, but no solution nor conclusions. Which in turn, your article perpetuates both the myth and error, that this WAS the linage of the mother of Jesus.
So, presenting to your readers, the only historical source, that the linage was somone else's and misinterpreted, and could have been obtained from the mantle of the borrowed tomb of Joseph of Arimathea. Brings a plausible solution and conclusion, to myth or fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by D.Jay.Canfield.1 (talk • contribs) 21:46, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Nice to meet you Doug.
You reverted my edit of the Tripadvisor article.
I have since made an entry in the "Talk" section for Tripadvisor. My intention is to amend the Criticisms section. I would appreciate your feedback. I realize that it need polishing but I think I'm making some valid points.
Irritablevowelsyndrome (talk) 21:51, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Gigette
Once again Gigette is wreaking havoc on articles related to Aztec mythology, see http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Maunus#Aztec_mythology. Rewriting a whole genre of articles to reflect her own original research? Using unreliable sources? Writing articles with no citations like the Aztec creator gods article? Refusing to discuss edits with other editors. How can anybody violate every rule worse than this? What does an editor have to do to get blocked around here? Senor Cuete (talk) 01:49, 13 March 2013 (UTC)Senor Cuete
Here's another article: http://en.wikipedia.org/Ahuiateteo. Isn't this everything a Misplaced Pages article is supposed NOT to be? Senor Cuete (talk) 01:58, 13 March 2013 (UTC)Senor Cuete
- Agreed, although she didn't write it. She did write the Spanish one however which uses Misplaced Pages as a source. The annoying thing is that good sources are easily available, eg . If Maunus will help with an RfC/U that's the way to go now. Have you tried to discuss on her talk page? Dougweller (talk) 17:40, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
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Jona Lendering
I noticed your statement about Lendering. In contrast, does that mean his website Livius is not considered a reliable source? I haven't ran across any articles using the Livius website as a reference lately. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:13, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
- I don't know. I'd rather use an academically published source for anything historical, but I've seen articles with Lendering as a source. Not using him avoids problems. Dougweller (talk) 18:44, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
- I completely understand. I have a preference for academically published sources, myself. Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:53, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Rev delete some school based vandalism with identifying info?
This seems like a fairly straightforward case. I haven't warned the user yet, since I'm not sure what's the best way to do that for school IP's. Thanks, a13ean (talk) 18:59, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Help on archiving
Doug, can you take a look at the archive settings on Talk:Gospel of the Ebionites and tell me what I did wrong and how to make it right? I suspect I should have set the counter to 1. The archives should read archive1 and archive2 instead of archive 5 and archive6, and the archive links don't display properly on the template. Can this be fixed? Thanks. Ignocrates (talk) 03:45, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
- I left a message at the help desk here as a first step. Ignocrates (talk) 15:19, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
- The help desk has taken care of it. Ignocrates (talk) 13:10, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
why is false information with no documentation clearly biased allowed?
hello friend! all I ask is that the sentence on the page i edited be more neutral to reflect the reality of the statement. one can not simply say something to make it true, especially when there are no less that four sciences referenced. this is wild behavior. also can the amendment on the second sentence be left? this keeps getting changed regardless with no notation as to why. thank you, jane cohnJanecohn66 (talk) 16:24, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Brooke Medicine Eagle
I am new to Misplaced Pages Editing and am trying correct the slander on Brooke's page. If I fail to follow procedure please be patient. I will edit the Bio to be less promotional and work on sourcing and references. The attack on Brooke on her page is badly sourced reference 1 ^ "Tribal certificate" - Members of the Crow Tribe say these are forged documents. This is a dead link and meaningless - what members of the CRow tribe? How is this accurate or maintaining integrity of Misplaced Pages? The other attacks are one persons opinion and or attacks on non natives using native ceremony and very general, a debate not appropriate for a personal bio page. The AIM article from 1984 is just plane weird did you source this and are you trying to claim AIM approval for the attacks on Brooke? Thanks for your attention, my friend Brooke has never claimed to be a Traditional teacher in her work, it is very unfair to make her defend a right to basic human spiritual practice. Rickgmt (talk) 18:27, 15 March 2013 (UTC) rick gildroy
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Please verify and watch these articles. Similar edit wars and non-constructive edits started by IP users. Articles:
Thanks. Zheek (talk) 20:26, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
- Hey Doug, I think I will let you handle the edit warring on Template:History of the Turks pre-14th century. I have had my fill of edit warriors using multiple IPs to get their way. I am going back to List of papal bulls and lose myself in some reference searching for a few hours. Have fun! --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:43, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Jrrao sockpuppet investigation
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Thanks for the citation on the NCSE page
At that article, I was just "passing through" and didn't have enough interest to do further work. So I put up a "cite needed" tag and left the matter to those whose interest might be greater. Your citation fulfills the need. Thanks. Cordially, O Govinda (talk) 18:25, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Joseph Davidovits
Hi! The article was once {{COI}} tagged by Tuckerresearch after the edit by the subject himself. After discussing with Tuckerresearch, I copy edited the article myself, removing the tag.
| discussion at Tuckerresearch's talk page |
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Article on Joseph DavidovitsHi, I have done some copy edits to the lead section hoping to achieve neutrality. FYI, while making that edit, he wrote the in summary: " He has his autobiography originally published in his won website http://www.davidovits.info/ . I think he has almost adhered to Misplaced Pages:Autobiography#If Misplaced Pages already has an article about you]. Now, the only part containing his direct contributions is the section Career (ncluding its subsection). But it is written like a timeline of events. Can you please help in finding the parts which are biased. Kind regards···Vanischenu/Talk」 20:13, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
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Since you have reverted the recent addition; the article does not contain any content added by the subject himself except at the carrier section which has already undergone copyediting from me. So, can that {{COI}} template be removed? If possible, could you also give me some suggestions to improve its neutrality further. Thanks!···Vanischenu/Talk」 21:09, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
The "real" problem
I tell you, the obvious problem is the lack of software that checks sock puppets by itself. But the real problem is what no one wants to talk about: that the people at WMF are always smiling (because they have no deadlines and no competition, so they can feel great) and all the dedicated volunteers on ANI (like you) have to work 10 times as hard (and get stressed) to keep the encyclopedia running using antique software tools.
No one wants to talk about this: it is the unmentionable. But I have always said that if the programmers at WMF had been working for me, I would have fired them all by now. Twice over. Someone should tell Erik Möller: "get a better sock puppet tool working in 3 months or you are fired". If he does not get it, fire him! But no one ever gets fired at WMF, it is the friendliest culture on earth. No deadlines, no pressure. The work just gets pushed to the dedicated volunteers. That is the real problem.
It should really take less than 60 days for two smart programmers to get an automated sock puppet system that does not invade privacy (because no one sees the details) but just gives warnings by partial match scoring. The fellow who wrote Cluebot can probably do it in 30 days (I do not know who he is, but he is clearly smart enough). So fire Möller, hire the fellow who wrote Cluebot. Most of these problems will then go away. History2007 (talk) 22:18, 18 March 2013 (UTC)