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Clarity?

Does anyone actually understand all this, and if so could they explain in an intelligible way? This very lengthy and verbose article entirely fails to explain what the tower was meant to do, how it was meant to do it, and whether it would have worked or not. Apparently it has been that way since at least 2005. Just a little explanatory section would do wonders. 109.130.39.77 (talk) 21:05, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

That's because the enthusiasts don't know how it would have "worked" either. Tesla claimed magical things would happen if he could just get enough money to finish Wardenclyffe - instead it all got spent on hotel bills and feeding pigeons.

If you read the Tesla articles, Wardenclyffe would have broadcast free power to the world, lit the oceans at night, broadcast sound and pictures to your pocket device with absolute security and fidelity, etc. etc.; it was supposed to do all this by treating the space between the Earth's surface and the ionosphere as a giant cavity resonator, and connecting to the ionosphere by means of high voltages and (relatively) high frequency current in the mushroom-shaped terminal of the tower. What no-one has ever explained to me, though, is why voltage would jump the gap of scores of miles to the ionosphere and not just strike down at the ground a few feet away. Evidently J.P. Morgan couldn't understand what Tesla was trying to do (or caught on to the scam at some point) and quit paying for apparatus, etc.

There's no point trying to truncate the article to common sense, as the only people writing about Tesla were such..."enthusiasts" as O'Neil,so anything that's referenced about Tesla winds up sounding the same. You're welcome to prune down the purple patches, at a cursory glance this article is about 3/4 the same as the Tesla biography. --Wtshymanski (talk) 00:06, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Actually Morgan held up his side of the bargain "to the letter" as Tesla puts it in his autobiography. $150,000 to be precise. Morgan was under no obligation to provide further funding as realistically he should have seen his functional world communications system come to fruition at that point. Marconi's untimely transatlantic radio transmission proved that one didn't need an expensive and ambitious Wardenclyffe Tower to accomplish this. It seems people with a latent introduction to Tesla favour the 'suppression' angle on this subject. On that note, perhaps someone could provide a cite that links 'free electricity' to the Wardenclyffe Project? I'm aware that Tesla spoke of providing 'free energy' in the sense that he would use solar and hydro power to uproot coal and wood as the main energy sources but in what definition does Tesla use the the term 'free electricity' and where is it specifically tied to Wardenclyffe? Who was to pay for the coal to fuel the generators?

According to Tesla, apart from wireless communication the tower would demonstrate wireless transmission of energy on a small scale with conviction. Wireless transmission of energy was not the tower's main purpose.

The caption on first picture of the Wardenclyffe Tower on the main page also needs claryfing and a cite.

How can one possibly say "The station, including the tower structure, was not completed due to J.P Morgan not allowing it to be finished because in his own words "He couldn't put a watt on it.""? I have read a lot of correnspondence between Tesla and Morgan and have never once seen Morgan to refer to himself in the third person persepctive, nor any material that backs up this ever changing quote of his.

No wonder people get confused.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 34.253.3.201 (talk) 11:31, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I would suggest that the bulk of the article about the system be split out into a separate article. How about Tesla's World Wireless System ? -- Beardo (talk) 20:54, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Excellent idea. Good luck (see my comments below re Chain reaction). (EEng draws on bulletproof vest and hazmat suit, raises blast shields.) EEng (talk) 23:36, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Clarity issues involve shifts in verb tenses, and some quotes that are used repeatedly in questionable context. The tense issues make it unclear what parts actually occurred or would have worked. Tesla's quotes appear to be used as the only authority on the subject of how it would have worked, over more recent criticisms with no other recent rebuttal cited. Mynameisntbob1 (talk) 02:55, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Current status of the site?

In 2009, NYT reported that Agfa offered the site for sale. Was it sold? User:Shattered (talk) 18:32, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Wardencliff was supposed to power a sister Light tower in Paris at the World Fair to showcase wireless transmission of industrial strength power. Tesla designed Niagra Falls to be able to generate enough power to wirelessly power the entire planet through the Ionosphere using Wardencliff as the antenna. But before this could be showcased, the Bank asked Tesla, "How do we charge people for this". And when Tesla answered, "You cant, its like the radio, you can not monitor what is passively received. It was not economically viable to the banks, so the banks pulled the plug on him and had the US army destroy it and take all the research for it. Imagine free power? Ever watch Chain Reaction? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.32.2.46 (talk) 22:17, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Like this article, Chain Reaction narrates how the secret of limitless, cheap power was suppressed in the name of profit. And like this article, it's a sci-fi fantasy which feeds some people's desire to believe that only some vast international conspiracy stands between the common man and life on Easy Street. EEng (talk) 03:54, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Even if Tesla had been able to build a functional system, it would still be possible to charge for it - after all, as I understand it towers would be placed at various points around the world, but you'd still need to distribute the electricity to individual properties / businesses, so you could still meter it and charge people for the distribution of it, as well as the maintenance of the towers. Just because the generation is 'free', the collection and distribution definitely isn't! Mittfh (talk) 14:39, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Matthew Inman from The Oatmeal is reportedly starting a campaign to help preserve the property and the tower. MsFionnuala (talk) 23:43, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

As stated in the Main article, within a week Inman had raised the necessary finance to purchase the site, but will still keep the fundraising page open so the excess can be channelled into repairs and renovations of the building, as well as installing the necessary fittings and fixtures to turn it into a museum. Mittfh (talk) 14:39, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Merge

Suggest merging Tesla Science Center at Wardenclyffe to this article; most of that article is a recap of the history already here and this article already has a description of the fund raising efforts. WP:CRYSTAL applies as well, as yet there's no museum built. --Wtshymanski (talk) 14:02, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose - They are separate topics. The fundraising efforts are tangential to this article, which has more of a historical perspective. Also, Tesla Science Center at Wardenclyffe is an organization which already exists, and there is sufficient history, media coverage and current activity to justify a separate article. WP:CRYSTAL does not apply (to the article, although it may apply to some forward looking plans). – MrX 14:10, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose - per above, they are separate articles. --Turn685 (talk) 02:58, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose They are seperate topics. The article carefully avoids anything that would fall under WP:CRYSTAL and is quite noteworthy in and of itself. ShawnIsHere: Now in colors 04:05, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Property Bought

Hi,

Recently the property was bought by Tesla Science Center at Wardenclyffe. Most of the funds were raised by donators to Matthew Inman's Campaign Let's Build a Goddamn Tesla Museum. This is quite important info as the site will now become a museum. this should be added to the Wiikpedia article.

This information can be found at http://www.indiegogo.com/teslamuseum and http://theoatmeal.com/

http://theoatmeal.com/blog/tesla_museum_1m

Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.128.21 (talk) 12:16, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Article should address Conservation of Energy

"The transmitter itself was to have been powered by a 200 kilowatt Westinghouse alternating current industrial generator."

And what was to provide mechanical energy to the generator? A coal-fired steam turbine?

Because at most 200 kilowatts was input to the tower, seems to me that the consumers of its wireless power, collectively, could have drawn at most 200 kilowatts from the system. If this is correct, the article should explicitly say so, to combat a myth that Wardenclyffe somehow would have distributed unlimited quantities of wireless power. 75.163.215.184 (talk) 19:39, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

"World Wireless System", "Variant receiver", "Particle beam invention"

I have removed the "World Wireless System", "Variant receiver", and "Particle beam invention" sections because they seem to be entirely based on original research being: primary sources re:turn of the 20th century (and before) sources and Tesla's own writings, analysis/synthesis of more modern sources that do not mention Tesla, and one editor (Gary Peterson) apparently citing himself as a source. This could be fine research (hard to tell since there are no reliable sources), but, in its current form, it does not belong in Misplaced Pages. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 16:12, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

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