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Advice

Mathsci, this is really meant as a friendly request – could you please consider just taking a step back at the Arbcom thing? I appreciate you feel exasperated, but with all these repeated posts I'm afraid you are really not doing yourself a favour. Just give it a rest for now. You have made your case understood, but now you are coming across as increasingly aggressive, and that only fuels the whole mess more. Please just try and get some distance from this whole situation. (You're always welcome to give me a note if any new problem emerges, of course.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:06, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate your point. There is a pile-on effect, accompanied by wikilawyering with misunderstandings proliferating. That shows that there's very little order in the whole affair. It is particularly difficult, because Cla68 has made the case exclusively about me. However, I would far prefer if the views of those manning WP:AE and interpreting arbcom rulings took the fore. They have the best idea of what's going on. The point about the motion is that it was phrased as something general whereas it applied to a very specific set of users. I am in fact extremely tired in real life with a whole set of things to do made more difficult by being away from home.
Any way, thanks for your advice. I will not respond now except privately through you or other AE administrators. Mathsci (talk) 16:55, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Get well soon.

I'm always glad to see well edited articles about mathematics on Misplaced Pages, so I hope you will be able to join that effort as your other activities permit. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 22:45, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Experiment

Mathsci (UCL HH) 195.194.4.65 (talk) 17:00, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Wishing you well

Mathsci, you have my sincere wishes on a favorable recovery. You are always (and have always been) in my thoughts as a stalwart defender of this noble, but perhaps ultimately foolish, project that we all have so heavily invested ourselves in. I have always looked up to you in this regard, since I very first joined this project, although I have not had much direct interaction with you. I myself am unable to commit myself as stauchly as you to the project. For instance, ArbCom scares the hell out of me. In spite of this I have found myself embroiled in minor skirmishes of my own, some of my own making no doubt, but more just because there was no one else around. One thing I have noticed is that after a period of rest, often those windmills we once fought against tend to dissolve when we do not champion ourselves against them. It is the conflict itself that sustains them. I hope you will take this for what it is: sincere counsel from a much less experienced Wikipedian (as well as a young mathematician). I do consider you a friend, and wish you well. Yours, Sławomir Biały (talk) 00:39, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Best wishes for a speedy recovery. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:44, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Get well soon. Volunteer Marek  01:53, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Me too. Relax, take a break, best wishes William M. Connolley (talk) 08:20, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Reconsider

This really isn't going to do you any favors. In general I'd recommend you back off a bit. I'm familiar with some of the folks you're up against and when they can tell they're getting to you, they bore in that much harder. The best response is to be as dull, laconic and bland as you can manage. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 22:33, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I think this sounds like excellent advice. There are far too many unsavory people gaining pleasure from your pain. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:42, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
A definite "highly problematic" and "deliberately provocative" strategy has been followed by one arbitrator. That has not gone unnoticed by other editors, administrators and arbitrators. We get the arbitrators that we vote for. The six I voted for were all elected with a clean number of votes. Next time, however, I might look more carefully at their content edits. Mathsci (talk) 22:46, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for this. It's very hard to see this ending well. Should you decide for any reason, to stop reverting Echigo mole, a large fraction of the problem would go away. It is possible that others might not be as alert as you to notice his edits, but they would not face the confusing problem that you are always the center of attention for those who recommend sanctions. One option is that you could simply open SPI reports, or notify an admin who has been following R&I, instead of doing reverts yourself. I hope you have noticed that Echigo mole has found a way to confuse and frustrate Arbcom. His plan seems to depend on you reacting in a predictable manner. You could stop being predictable. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 22:52, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Ed and I take your point. Like MastCell (no longer active), SBHB is completely clueful, so there was no hesitation in acting on his advice. I wish we had more clueful arbitrators. In this particular case, where the troll sock was contradicting me, I deliberately scored through their trolling with a note, to make clear that this was a sock edit. Establishing continuity with sockpuppets of any puppetmaster requires a lot of effort and, after possibly clarifying the early stages of editing in 2008-2009, an LTA page will not be so hard to prepare. That has been the missing element. In preparing an LTA page, I think it might be helfpul to have copies of deleted hoax articles made available in private, since I believe A.K.Nole's disruptive editing probably predates the registration of his username. The Devil's Advocate has indicated his intention to act as a proxy-editor for Zeromus1 and hence for two site-banned editors (Captain Occam and Ferahgo the Assassin), so the current disruption is unlikely to end any time soon. If that happens, the socking issues will have become completely out of control. Mathsci (talk) 23:09, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Really, just let it rest a while. I know how patronizing it is when someone says "for your own good" but I'm going to say it anyway. I think you could benefit from a week or so of kicking back, listening to some good tunes, and generally staying the hell away from this goddamn dysfunctional "community" to do whatever makes you happy. Consider or disregard this as you will. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 05:08, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Arbitrators were told that there would be a request for amendment if the motion was passed. That was even before I privately provided details to AGK of why Zeromus1 was almost certainly a sockpuppet of Occam-Ferahgo. I have no interest in contributing academically to a project where there is no protection from harassment. Mathsci (talk) 05:21, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Please stop

As long as WMF insists on anyone-can-edit IP editing, we're going have vandals and trolls. You don't deserve to be harassed, obviously, but you just reward the trolling when you comment on closed ANI threads and go sticking Sockpuppet tags on IP accounts. Trolls want recognition and by naming a suspect you just encourage them. NE Ent 13:35, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

If you do't like me tagging IPsocks of Mikemikev, make a complaint somewhere. I would rather you didn't edit my user page any more or post messages on this talk page. If you want to be a know-it-all busybody, please do it somewhere else. Some time ago I privately contacted two admins to semiprotect my user page and Ramdrake's. That is what you should have done instead of posting here in this officious and self-important way. If the messages from the Korean IPs hadn't involved the crying girl or trolling or tags announcing Ramdrake's death, you might have had a point. But that was not the case. There are too many of the IPs to report them at WP:SPI. I would estimate so far there have been about 10-15. Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 14:29, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
I can't speak for anything else, but if you wish for your user page to be semi-protected then I'm happy to do so. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 14:39, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
That would be very kind of you. If you could also semiprotect Ramdrake's that would also be great. (I had previously asked Alison and NuclearWarfare, since they are familiar with Mikemikev's postings.) Thanks for your help, Mathsci (talk) 14:41, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
I've indefinitely semi-protected both user pages. In the case of Ramdrake, a userpage is normally only protected indefinitely at the request of the respective user, but it seems relevant to make an exception to that in this case. I will leave a note for Ramdrake informing him I have protected his user page and that it can be removed if he so wishes. Additionally, I note that I ran a checkuser on that IP just in case, and nothing turned up. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 14:47, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for acting so speedily. I wouldn't have expected checkuser to help because the IPs seem to be Mikemikev displaced in Korea. The editing style is identical to his previous trolling. Cheers, Mathsci (talk) 14:52, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
It's worth checking these things anyway, as it only takes a few second and people some times mess these things up and leave something that checkuser can pick up on. Anyway, let me know if I can be of further assistance. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 14:55, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Please...

... do me a favour and stay off the Amendmend page thread too from now on. You're unlikely to achieve anything good by posting more. The more you say, the more others will feel entitled to say in return, and it will be yet another unstoppable avalanche of mutual recriminations just as we had a few weeks ago. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:35, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Links?

Got some links for those notices or warnings from EdJohnston and MBisanz to SightWatcher you just mentioned over in Arbistan? Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:03, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

I added them there. Cheers, Mathsci (talk) 18:11, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Userfied article

See User:Mathsci/Jeremy Dunning-Davies - please let me know when you're finished. Dougweller (talk) 17:37, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks. Mathsci (talk) 17:49, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

SPI case

I've closed the SPI request. Regarding those unblocked accounts, if they do cause any trouble feel free to ping me to block them (or ping any other admin, you can use this diff if you need to convince them). --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 18:23, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

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Seasons greetings to you and yours
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Question

Hey Mathsci, I was just wondering why you reverted my recent readdition of the section of AN/I entitled "Requesting the deletion of an edit summary"? I was under the impression that, especially on high-traffic (relatively speaking) pages such as AN/I, it is always ill-advised to delete content as opposed to allowing it to enter the AN/I archives. Juhachi's request involved non-public information, but this information was not actually included in the post on AN/I. Could you please let me know of your reasoning? Kind regards, — Oli Pyfan! 10:24, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Because it involved active outing and the message was removed by the person who added it. I sent a message to oversight and two admins and the person who twice outed the OP has now been indefinitely blocked. You received an email explaining this a few minutes ago (please read it) and there was an explanation in my edit summary. Outing issues should never be discussed on ANI while identifying info is still viewable on wikipedia. Mathsci (talk) 10:30, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
Ok, thanks, just got the email. I wasn't aware of the specifics of the case, I wouldn't have restored the post if I hadn't noticed that Boing! had already removed the edit summary in question. Hope the situation is resolved without too much (extra) drama. Regards, — Oli Pyfan! 10:34, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
Everything was done by email. As I said there was a second edit summary with a RL name visible when you made the revert. BsZ rev-delled both edit summaries and made the indef block. Mathsci (talk) 10:41, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

The Gimme accounts

Not acknowledging the Gimmetoo account as being an alternate of Gimmetrow has become a sticking point for Gimmetrow, and the fact that a checkuser was done to link the accounts when he refused to do so has seriously angered him. I got a similar ration on my talkpage when I ran for checkuser: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Kww&oldid=455735566#Your_response is chock full of relevant links and discussion.—Kww(talk) 15:49, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

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I don't see your removal of the request to trim your opening at DR/N as harmful or against policy in anyway as long as you were complying. It is not my rule. We make these requests regularly and I see nothing wrong with that or your removal of the notice left on my talkpage. Seemed like a lot of nonsense to me. Thank you.--Amadscientist (talk) 08:10, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Since HPotato registered his account after editing using two IPs in Leicester, there have been trolling edits targeting me connected with HPotato's editing. These have been made by two different open proxy accounts, both blocked soon after they were reported. This kind of disruptive targeting rarely happens to me. My assumption is that the same user is operating both proxies and it doesn't take a genius to guess who that might be. Mathsci (talk) 08:24, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Restored deletion of a posting at WP:FTN

Hello! It appeared to me that your overwriting another editor’s posting here was accidental—you didn’t mention it in the edit summary—so I restored it. Please feel free to revert if you had good reason for removing the message.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 10:22, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, this is a known glitch in WP software caused by edit-conflict. Thanks for noticing and correcting it. Mathsci (talk) 10:29, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Note on copyvio

You can't even have copyvio in a sandbox, I've told him that. Also, have you read WP:Close paraphrase? Dougweller (talk) 12:17, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

I appreciate you reporting this. I wasn't sure if we should file SPI reports for IPs and now I know:) Hope you are returning to good health. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 08:28, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

AE request

Last time at AE, you were instructed to refrain from filing new requests without first consulting with administrators. Did you? If not, I'd strongly recommend you remove the filing. As far as I'm concerned, I logged a warning for him and he hasn't edited since, so I don't really see why this shouldn't be put to rest now. Escalation is, again, in nobody's interest. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:31, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I did contact an arbitrator twice yesterday with no reply. I will continue with the SPI report and remove the report at AE. Mathsci (talk) 10:37, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. Just for the record, the AE outcome said you should in any case wait for agreement from an uninvolved admin, so you should certainly not have gone ahead in the absence of a response (especially since you contacted them yesterday but the main offending edit you had to complain about was only today.) About an SPI, how would that relate to the Arbcom's prior statement that the account is a legitimate clean start ? Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:44, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
As far as communicating with arbcom is concerned, the previous sockpuppet account Zeromus1 misrepresented themselves to the arbitration committee in their appeal, claiming to edit from China. FtA has a previous history of misrepresenting sockpuppetry issues to arbitrators. I communicated with an arbitrator a month ago about the possibility of sockpuppetry, during the run-up to ACE 2012. At that stage I had no clear idea of who the puppetmaster might be (at that early stage I incorrectly suspected John245/Chester Markel/Alessandra Napolitano). Per WP:BEANS, it might be a better idea to send a report by email directly to a checkuser on arbcom, who can pass it on to other arbitrators if they see fit. That's what happened with Zeromus1. Mathsci (talk) 10:50, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks, but...

That was my quote in response to YRC's personal attacks which I immediatelty selfreverted.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 23:53, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Oops, sorry about that. The editing boxes were messed up on WP:ANI, which partly explains the confusion. I did also verify that your old user page is still viewable using the wayback machine ... but Youreallycan has no business enquiring or making guesses about your nationality. Mathsci (talk) 00:38, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Well obviously he hasn't. Thanks for the hint about the waybackmachine - I am guessing there is no way to do anything about that?·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 00:41, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Not really but it could disappear eventually. At the moment records seem to start in late 2011. Mathsci (talk) 00:54, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

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I think it's a great thing that you're doing with the Doncram Orlady interaction. I really don't have time to do any of it myself (I wasn't even able to get any evidence provided), but the whole Nyttend angle has completely been missed, so if you have the time, it would be great if you could do a Doncram Nyttend interaction. Ryan Vesey 08:21, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to, unless there's a better, more refined kind of interaction tool. Nyttend has over 3,000 common srticles with Doncram, so my manual method would take too long. Mathsci (talk) 14:38, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
I think I understand what you are doing and might be able to help. Would something like this be useful? I can also generate the regular side by side diff format (which would be faster). I'd be happy to gen up some samples if you'd like. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 07:19, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. That is on one single article, abortion. In the current case, AGK, one of the drafting arbitrators, raised a question about Orlady on the workshop page. My statistics and analysis were designed to help Orlady answer that question. The statements about Nyttend are about the use of his admin tools for users or articles involved with WP:NRHP. The Devil's Advocate and possibly Doncram have made general statements about Nyttend in their evidence which seem misleading if not wrong. Mathsci (talk) 09:03, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Re: User using tor nodes to edit

Upon reading the sections above and below the spot where I left my comment, I was rather confused, since I saw absolutely no indication that anyone except Doncram was claiming that Orlady and I were following people around. This confusion is why I said "It doesn't look like anyone here is suggesting wikihounding". I was also rather confused by the IP coming in suddenly, but since I had no evidence of malevolence, I didn't see any reason to bring it up. Your message helps resolve the issue in my mind; thank you. Nyttend (talk) 00:13, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

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I'm not sure that I'll have time to do that. I used diffs in my evidence and links to edit histories on the workshop talk page, with a few diffs. However, the redlinks problem cannot be handled by providing diffs, except possibly to give the diffs for the modifications. I tend to agree with Mangoe's point about redlinks appearing in long lists to provide a centralised place for people to see which articles need to be created. Mathsci (talk) 14:57, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

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SPI case 2

Did someone contact you asking you to place that case on hold? The IP address in question is an open HTTP proxy running on 8080 (I have verified this myself by using it). Cheers, Spitfire 14:46, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Sweet. That's fine thanks. Spitfire 16:00, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

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No-neck monsters

Glad to see that you are finding some amusement (not to mention literary allusions) amongst the musty old U.S. buildings on the National Register of Historic Places. Thanks for your efforts to lighten things up (not to mention your fine work on explicating edit histories). --Orlady (talk) 20:12, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Glad you enjoyed it :) I played Sonny when I was young. Mathsci (talk) 20:16, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

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Performers

Regarding your comment on ACN: I agree that content is more important than performers. Andreas Scholl wasn't created by me, but seemed in need of improvement, as a person I know. I create performer's articles if they sing for us, or if I want to show content on the Main page but can't expand it 5*. - We just found Riana as a content editor. - Content more important than performers: I believe that is true for us editors also, I respect what George Ponderevo added to this project (and don't care which mind is behind the account), - I think I said the same in other words in the other forum, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:53, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

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Maybe not the best idea?

Hey, Mathsci, as silly as I think the ANI thread is, I don't think it's a good idea for you to keep moving the archive tag. It's only going to make things worse, from a drama point of view. Writ Keeper (t + c) 01:55, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. I am in fact continuing the discussion with Tom Harrison on his talk page. Have a look if you wish. Cheers, Mathsci (talk) 02:05, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Membra Jesu nostri

Thank you for the improvements. I am in love with the piece. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:05, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes indeed. I am a fan of Buxtehude too and this Passiontide collection in particular. Mathsci (talk) 13:22, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
I wonder why it is termed an oratorio in the lead? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:29, 2 April 2013 (UTC)