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my ban

some 9 days ago i was banned by jaygy indefinately. I have only been on wikipedia for 3 days, and then that was it. Anyhow, here are the reasons i was given for the indefinate ban. I will try and address each point, so that my side is represented. the violations cited were as follows

• 3RR games
• Copyright Violations Misplaced Pages Copyright
• No useful edits
• attacks on talk pages WP:NPA

My point is, although there are some violations, this hardly justifies an indefinate ban on my first ever ban. I also cannot see any justification according to the wikipedia policy of a ban being agreed by community consensus, arbitrage committe, or jimmy wales.

So here are the facts as i see them.

so let me address each of them in turn. Noting that this was my first ban ever,

• 3RR games. On one single occasion. I added a section in the zionist page on the three talmuds.

see history log below. Now 62.129.121.63 is a shared computer at work. I say my collegue who has been following me on this reverted for me, jaygy says i am lying. Remember this is my first ever case of 3RR. On a side note, the references used were to jewsagainstzionism a well known website by jews opposed to political zionism, then there was a reference to wikipedia, and a home page (i understand now they are not usable references, but i didn't know that at the time).

# (cur) (last) 12:04, 18 May 2006 Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg (rv, and you are at least on your sixth)

1. (cur) (last) 11:57, 18 May 2006 62.129.121.63 (you have to give a good reason to revert, ps you are on your 3rd :-) rv to saladin1970 revision)
2. (cur) (last) 11:41, 18 May 2006 SlimVirgin m (Reverted edits by 62.129.121.63 (talk) to last version by Humus sapiens)
3. (cur) (last) 11:35, 18 May 2006 62.129.121.63 (lol, you mean scholary research by orthodox jews - reverting to saladin1970 version)
4. (cur) (last) 11:17, 18 May 2006 Humus sapiens (RV 62.129.121.63 (jewsagainstzionism propaganda). Saladin1970, see WP:RS)
5. (cur) (last) 11:14, 18 May 2006 62.129.121.63 (they look fine to me what is wrong with them. rv to previous page)
6. (cur) (last) 10:41, 18 May 2006 SlimVirgin (rv but the refs don't look very good)
7. (cur) (last) 10:41, 18 May 2006 Saladin1970 (rv to previous page. the references provide all the information given)
8. cur) (last) 10:40, 18 May 2006 Humus sapiens (→Zionism and the Arab Muslims and Arab Christians - >>ref)
9. (cur) (last) 10:35, 18 May 2006 Humus sapiens (→Zionism and the Arab Muslims and Arab Christians - added scholarly refs (a ton more can be provided), rm tags)
10. (cur) (last) 10:25, 18 May 2006 SlimVirgin (rv the sources don't look up to much, and it would anyway need to be written differently)
11. (cur) (last) 10:06, 18 May 2006 Saladin1970 (rv to previous page - the three oaths are totally relevant -unless you can come up with a good reason it stays)
12. (cur) (last) 09:39, 18 May 2006 Humus sapiens (RV to oldid=53810141. See talk)
13. (cur) (last) 06:41, 18 May 2006 Saladin1970 (added three oaths section,)'

• Copyright infringement.

Jaygy has suggested the following link is copy right infringement. I say that it is fair use.

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Alan_Hart&diff=53330262&oldid=30102511

The link points to a 20 line summary of the book by Alan Hart, referenced to the website. The page it is taken from is around 300 lines long.

Here are the relevant points from the wikipedia policy on fair use

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Fair_use#Acceptable_uses Brief, attributed quotations of copyrighted text used to illustrate a point, '*****establish context*****', or attribute a point of view or idea may be used under fair use. Text must be used verbatim: any alterations must be clearly marked as an elipsis () or insertion () or change of emphasis (emphasis added). All copyrighted text must be attributed.

and here are the othe criterias from the wikipedia page

1. No free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information. If unfree material can be transformed into free material, it should be done instead of using a "fair use" defense. For example, the information in a newspaper article can easily be used as a basis of an original article and then cited as a reference. Maps and diagrams can often be redrawn from original sources, though simply "tracing" copyrighted material does not make it free. Neither photographs nor sound clips, however, can usually be "transformed" in this way. However, if the subject of the photograph still exists, a free photograph could be taken.

who could possibly give a better description of why the book was written and what it was for other than the author

1. Always use a more free alternative if one is available. Such images can often be used more readily outside the U.S. If you see a fair use image and know of an alternative more free equivalent, please replace it, so the Misplaced Pages can become as free as possible. Eventually we may have a way to identify images as more restricted than GFDL on the article pages, to make the desire for a more free image more obvious.

n/a

1. The material should not be used in a manner that would likely replace the original market role of the original copyrighted media; our use of copyrighted material should not make it so that one no longer needs to purchase the actual product. Large copyrighted photographs from agencies that make their income selling photographs, for example, would likely not be "fair use" as it would be undermining the ability of the copyright holder to make money from their work.

this would have no negative impact on sales

1. The amount of copyrighted work used should be as little as possible. Low-resolution images should be used instead of high-resolution images (especially images that are so high-resolution that they could be used for piracy). Do not use multiple images or media clips if one will serve the purpose adequately.

20 lines out of 300 , i say it meets the above criteria

1. The material must have previously been published.

yes

1. The material must be encyclopedic and otherwise meet general Misplaced Pages content requirements.

yes

1. The material meets the media-specific policy requirements.

yes

1. The material must be used in at least one article.

yes

1. The material must contribute significantly to the article (e.g. identify the subject of an article, or specifically illustrate relevant points or sections within the text) and must not serve a purely decorative purpose.

yep , it was the article

• no useful edits

here is my contribution the chinese muslim page

13:12, 17 May 2006 62.129.121.63 (added section on flag, the m population of muslims and famous chinese muslims) http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Islam_in_China&action=history

It meets all the criteria for a useful contribution

• personal attacks

On jaygy talk page i suggested he was following me around, and wrote what do you expect from a zionist

I admit i shouldn't have said it, but it hardly ranks in the hall of fame of personal attacks.

Zionism: the real enemy of the jews

If it belongs anywhere near a serious encyclopedia, that would be Anti-Zionism. A compromise was made to include this POV publication, don't push it. ←Humus sapiens 20:38, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

It is a detailed historical (using historical documentation) and political account from the 19th century until today. It is NOT a detailed historical account of 'anti zionism' whatever that is. It belongs in the wikipedia page zionism (read the title), zionism the real enemy of jews. Not anti zionism the friend of jews. It is staying put. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saladin1970 (talk • contribs)

Please find another platform for your political activism. See WP:NOT and note WP:3RR. ←Humus sapiens 21:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

It is NOT political activism. Although one suspects that your insistance of removing it , is politically motivated. As i have said before it is a detailed , historical account of zionism, using well researched and referenced material. It is entirely relevant, and there is nothing that matches it for its detailed account. It is a historical account and is staying put.

p.s the 3revision rules apply to you to.

I am more than happy to go through the official wikipedia mechanism for resolving disputes. For the record which would include a NPOV discussion.

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. Tom Harrison 12:52, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I got your email. To request review and unblock, put {{unblock}} at the bottom of this page. I'll also put a note on the 3RR page. Tom Harrison 13:12, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I've unblocked you. Tom Harrison 13:26, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I unblocked you, but the IP 62.129.121.63 is still blocked. Tom Harrison 13:51, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

It is unbelievable that i have been banned permanently. Accused of copy right violations (There has not been one single case that you can bring forward). Then i have been accused of attacks in talks (you will not find one single personal attack in talks made by me). Then i have been accused of adding non useful material. (every single post had 100% relevant material). And then the 3RR claim. My computer is shared, simple . I did not make more than 3 reversions, and if you are going to go by the editor , then at the most it would be a 24 hour ban. This is unprecidented, and it is a stain on wikipedia. Can someone please contact me via email to discuss this matter. thank you {{unblock|no evidence whatsoever for the accusations}} {{unblock|jaygy will not be able to give you a single piece of proof for blocking me}}

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Your ban

I've reduced your block term to one week while the administrators decide how to handle your case. During the intervening time I strongly urge you to familiarize yourself with the relevant Misplaced Pages policies as other editors have warned you: In particular, Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not, Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view, and Misplaced Pages:Verifiability. Your edits so far have been highly disruptive and of generally poor quality. I shortened your block because I believe you followed the Misplaced Pages guideline to be bold, and as you did no permanent damage, I think you should be given a second chance. But if your block expires and your editing habits do not improve, I will not stick my neck out for you a second time.

If you have any questions whatever about Misplaced Pages or why your behavior up to this point has not been acceptable, please feel free to email me or post them on my talk page and I will do my best to explain the situation to you. We welcome new contributors, but disruptive edits that remove content and alter articles to a non-neutral or fringe point-of-view are not accepted. I trust that you will show good faith and a willingness to comport your behavior to community standards. Thanks.

--Ryan Delaney 20:19, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Restored

I've restored the indefinite block for 3RR, sockpuppetry, persistent block evasion, copyrightvio, poor writing, poor use of sources, violations of V and NOR, and bigotry. SlimVirgin 11:46, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Since when is "poor writing" a blockable offense? Let's not be over the top here, please. This block is already contentious enough. Dick Clark 02:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

It's not, but given the other blockable offenses it's beneficial to point out a lack of redeeming characteristics. In any case, this has been adequately reviewed on the list already. This account is blocked. — Philwelch t 02:58, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

FWIW, I fully support this indefblock. JDoorjam Talk 12:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

hi JDoorjam, it would be more beneficial to give a reason why, taking into consideration the information above under 'ban', or for any new reasons you can think of that the current wikipedia advice on procedures for indefinate bans doesn't cover. Thanks Saladin

I've now received probably 200 WikiEN-l emails on this topic, and find myself agreeing with both the sentiments of the users above, and the words of User:JzG: "People who prove themselves unable to collaborate, whether over a long or a short period, are destructive of the project." In my opinion, per reasons listed here and your own postings to WikiEN-l, which seemed to be trolling, you've proven yourself unable to collaborate. This is all I have to say on the matter and won't comment again, so you can have the last word on the matter if you'd like. JDoorjam Talk 15:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Unblock request

{{unblock|can someone put my case to the arbitration committee as i am banned from editing, and so cannot list a request}}

I will put your request to the Arbitration Committee later today. --Sam Blanning 11:12, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

If you'd like to provide a statement for the Arbcom, I will copy it in for you. Please limit it to less than 500 words. --Sam Blanning 13:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

The request for arbitration has been filed. --Sam Blanning 13:34, 26 May 2006 (UTC)