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To learn how notifications work, visit this FAQ page. To customize your notifications, check your preferences. After your first notifications, please take this quick survey.

Is this crosswiki?

For example, if someone edits my user talk page on Commons or Wikitionary or Farsi Misplaced Pages, will I still be able to see the notification if I happen to be on English Misplaced Pages? If not, is this a planned feature? Sven Manguard Wha? 22:12, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Short answer: not yet, but it's definitely planned. Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 22:15, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

That would be awesome for people who work on multiple sites (like me). ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 15:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I came here to look for this very thing. Awesome. EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:09, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

That was in the initial scope, and hopefully it'll be something we can fit in - even if it's something as simple as "something's changed on your watchlist on " or such. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 20:09, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I can't speak for everyone, but it's more of the "you've got a message on " notification that I'd want/need; I don't necessarily need watchlist notifications from, say, ptwiki or ko.wikisource. EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:18, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Gotcha :). Worst-case scenario, I guess, would be to have Echo locally on each project and then have a global message that is triggered whenever any local echo message goes off on a non-"home" wiki, I guess. Does that make sense? Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 20:23, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, sounds good to me. EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:32, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Incoming wrath

Misplaced Pages only?

Page says Misplaced Pages only. Does this mean only English Misplaced Pages? All language Wikipedias? Are sister projects left out? --LauraHale (talk) 01:27, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

English Misplaced Pages first, but it will go to all Wikipedias. I expect that the sister projects will get it as well in due course; mediawiki.org was actually the first production wiki to get it.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 01:59, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Quite. Launching on every project simultaneously seems the height of folly. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 03:16, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

 Fixed the watchlist notice. —Tom Morris (talk) 15:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Talk page mentions, ANI and interaction bans

Misplaced Pages:Notifications says it will notify you of mentions on other talk pages. How is it decided which namespaces it scans for mentions? Is it just Talk: and User talk: or would this be customisable?

Currently, WP:ANI requires that users be notified about threads created about them. If they were notified automatically if they were linked, this would reduce the need to leave them a "Hey, you're at ANI" post. Which is particularly useful as there are users with interaction bans, and telling someone that there's an ANI thread about them is technically interacting.

(Also, we should probably work out whether the new notification system affects how interaction bans are handled.) —Tom Morris (talk) 15:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Customisable, I believe :). And, yeah, ANI is actually the first use case I thought of! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 17:22, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

• Would we be able to add alternate names it can check too? For example, people are likely to refer to me as simply "Crisco" — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:23, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

• Probably not, I'm afraid - but it requires formal linking to your userpage anyway, so it probably won't work out as "every time someone mentions Crisco" (which is good!). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 10:18, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

• That would be a... small price to pay. Especially since I could probably turn that page off. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:07, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

• Indeed. On the other hand Many people refer to me as "Worm", but I'd be a little worried if ever instance of someone typing "Worm" came up. One thing I'd be curious about is the criteria which would be used for notification, would the words "Worm That Turned" cause a notification or would it require a link to User:Worm That Turned? Worm(talk) 10:17, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

• The latter :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 10:18, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

• Yes, I edit conflicted... I was going to say "Never mind, my questions are answered at the place where I should have looked" Worm(talk) 10:21, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

• So this means I can't get all the hot gossip about me? I doubt those who are into throwing stones in glass houses will link names all the time. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:07, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

• Would it still notify Crisco if I linked his userpage like this? Mohamed CJ (talk) 19:48, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Most probably; you can go to MediaWiki.org and check! It's live there now :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 20:24, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

• Kinda technical question, It works with links to a user page, does it also parse templates that generate user page links (IE {{user}} et al )? Werieth (talk) 20:48, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

  Good question! I'll try and find out :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:01, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Other talk page mentions

Could a feature that allows a user to add other users to a list so they could be notified if mention is made of a user on their list be developed and incorporated? Would this be desirable to anyone other than me? My76Strat (talk) 20:13, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Seems like the potential for wikihounding is a bit too great. —Theopolisme (talk) 22:36, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

My thinking precisely! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:01, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Newsletter

Can the newsletter be named "Notifications"? Then you could have "Notifications notifications", which would fit nicely with the name "Echo". ;-) --MZMcBride (talk) 21:36, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

+1.--ragesoss (talk) 16:05, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

+2 TheOriginalSoni (talk) 04:31, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Notice for reverts

I recently got the following notification:

Your edit on Talk:VisualEditor has been reverted by Jdforrester (WMF) (Show changes)

"Undo revision 676542 by Ypnypn (talk) - will reply there."

2 days ago

The words "Undo revision 676542 by Ypnypn (talk)" are totally unnecessary. There are probably similar problems with other notices. A link was provided if I really wanted to know the revision #. – Ypnypn (talk) 23:40, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Where did you get this notice? Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 10:17, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

mediawiki.org --MZMcBride (talk) 15:13, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, "Undo revision" is part of the edit summary - it's not a feature of Echo, and probably not something we can easily remove, I'm afraid. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 20:10, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

It can be done (I've written and tested code that does it - Idc4e7989), however a lot of the time the user will add in things like colons and hyphens which don't mean anything once the default part of the summary is removed. E.g. you might do something like "Undo revision x by y (talk): spam" but removing the default part of the summary would leave ": spam" which I don't have any way of fixing (especially not in all possible languages). --Krenair 22:55, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Requesting ability to turn off all notifications

Can it be made possible to turn off all notifications? I'm already notified three times about edits to my talk page and, as an admin, I'm unlikely to have my user rights change without a great deal of notification. Espresso Addict (talk) 05:41, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised about the level of control you have over different notification types and how they're delivered. There isn't an "all off" switch, but you're going to have a lot of ability to have notifications delivered when and how you want them (or don't want them). Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 08:24, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt response, Steven. The FAQ seems to state that talk page & user rights notifications cannot be turned off: "Some notifications cannot be disabled, such as changes to your user rights or new talk page messages: these notifications are too important to be dismissed." -- is this inaccurate? Espresso Addict (talk) 08:34, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

No, that's accurate - but I'm confused as to how you're notified three times! I'm only aware of two mechanisms (email and The Orange Bar of Doom (tm)). So, Echo will replace the big orange bar, and email notifications if you already get those - it's not adding anything new. And, you can completely nix notifications by email for that kind of thing, too :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 10:17, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I hadn't realised it was replacing the Orange Bar of Doom & e-mail notifications, rather than augmenting them. (Three ways = watchlist, e-mail & OBoD.) Espresso Addict (talk) 00:51, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Aha, gotcha :). Yep, it'll replace the both of them, but replacements will be like-for-like for each user. So, if you've got 'don't send me talkpage emails' as a setting, Echo will remember not to do the same. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 03:05, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to miss the OBOD, so more obvious than a little red box :-( NtheP (talk) 22:04, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Why can't we disable the notification for the user talk message? I'm obviously going to notice the orange message barn, and getting a notification and an orange bar is redundant. Nyttend (talk) 00:35, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

So far, using #pt-notifications { visibility: hidden; } in my skin css file works on making it invisible. There is a resulting empty space though.--Rockfang (talk) 04:14, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

If this is replacing the watchlist...

...will I have a handy place to view changes to specific pages that don't revert my edits? I'm still interested in the progress of a bunch of pages, not just in my own work there... –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:55, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

It's not replacing the watchlist :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 19:18, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh wow, I read "designed to augment (rather than replace) the watchlist" too fast. Thanks! *facepalm* –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:23, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

That's okay! :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 03:04, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Great!

Just saying it sounds like a great improvement. Thank you! Lova Falk talk 10:06, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Lova Falk, we're glad you find this tool useful. We hope the rest of you like it too. To learn more about how Notifications work, check out this FAQ and testing page. Enjoy ... Fabrice Florin (WMF) (talk) 17:57, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! You can leave us feedback from the 'All Notifications' Page. Vibhabamba (talk) 22:59, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Which links them to this page. I think they'll be fine finding the talkpage from here ;p. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 23:04, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Links to edits/contributions should also be noted

If an editor links to another editor's edits or contributions, this should also create a notification. This is a far more likely occurrence than linking to an editor's userpage in an actual wikilink. Many times on talk pages it will just be "Editor is inserting a POV into this article; look at this terrible edit." ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 22:48, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Hmm—I like this a lot, although I suppose the technical implementation would be a bit more painful. —Theopolisme (talk) 22:50, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

That would be very painful, yep :/. I think it's improbable, I'm afraid! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 03:04, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Watchlist notices

Right now we get "notices" on Watchlist page. Will it be transferred to Notifications by echo? --Nizil (talk) 19:50, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Nizil, thanks for your question. Right now, watchlist notifications will continue to be delivered in the same way as they are today. This new product focuses on a smaller set of important notifications that are more closely related to you as a user, such as page reviews, mentions of your name, or user right changes. We plan to integrate the watchlist in future products, to support this high volume feed separately from the more selective notification system we're releasing this week. Fabrice Florin (WMF) (talk) 20:15, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for reply. I know that watchlist will keep functioning as it is but my question is regarding Notices which flash at the top of Watchlist page like "Election of arbitation committee is going on! Vote and discuss here.. " or "New program system is being discussed here..". --Nizil (talk) 06:49, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Hey Nizil :). So, at the moment, the first release will not contain this - but I think the idea of system messages is very powerful, and it's something I'm personally strongly in favour of. We've discussed it within the team, and I'm hoping for a positive outcome :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 12:48, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

OK.. So it will be a future feature.. Anyway it will help a lot by seeking attention of users in matters related to policies and increase participation.. I strongly agree with you.. Thanks for Echo.. now waiting for Flow.. Both will help a lot and will save a lot of time and energy.. Cheers to you guys--Nizil (talk) 18:28, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

A hopeful future feature - obviously we can't promise it concretely. But I'm gonna push on it, certainly :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 19:27, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks.. :) and yes I got Notification.. :D --Nizil (talk) 21:29, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

"Page link"

I noticed in my notifications preferences that there is a page link notification that is disabled by default. What is the page link notification? It might also be a good idea to create tooltips in the preferences to explain them. Ryan Vesey 20:49, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I found it in the FAQ. Is there any reason it only notifies me if a page is linked in an article? I feel like it would be a great benefit if I was notified if someone was discussing a page I created. Ryan Vesey 20:52, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

That'd be pretty hard to define, though. Links to pages in the talk-related namespaces? Which would invariably include a lot of automated wikiproject listing, and such. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 20:53, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello Ryan Vesey, thanks for asking about the page link notification. This optional notification is sent when an article you created is linked from another article. Because this has the potential to be high volume, we disabled this notification by default for current users (but it is enabled for new users). If you decide to try it out, let us know how it works for you. In the meantime, here is the current requirement for this feature. Cheers :) Fabrice Florin (WMF) (talk) 20:56, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Ryan -- some kind of information about what these options do (all of them) -- is important to have on the Preferences screen. As a quick fix, a simple link to the FAQ would probably be sufficient. Most users wouldn't have any idea how to learn more about this screen -- wouldn't know the name "Echo" to search on, for instance. -Pete (talk) 22:49, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Pete. We agree with you. We already planned to add little question marks next to each notification type listed in preferences (Template:Bug), for the reasons you mention. But we were delayed in adding that feature, so it may not be available until next week. Hope that's OK ... Fabrice Florin (WMF) (talk) 23:15, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't think next week is soon enough. If this feature is about helping people be aware of what is going on, that principle needs to be applied to the feature itself -- as soon as possible, when people first encounter it. -Pete (talk) 14:42, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Testing by making a second account

As recommended on mw:Echo (Notifications)/Testing... surely this is OK for beta-testers, but not general advice we want everyone to follow?? Rd232 21:31, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

For context: engineering often creates test accounts when launching new features, but we always try to tag them in the user name with something obvious like "WMFUserTest" or at least use of the "testing" keyword. In theory we have test.wikipedia.org, but it's practically of very limited use, and we always have to test what we're showing to new users in production. I'd recommend anyone who wants to make a test sock simply follow the rules for legitimate sockpuppets. An account like "rd232NotificationsTesting" which is appropriately tagged on the userpage can hardly be doing any harm. Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 21:49, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Surely User:RVesey doesn't harm anything. Ryan Vesey 06:29, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Grey line in the way of the tabs

Hello.

I have a grey line in the way of the tabs (article, talk, edit, and so on), and it partially obscures them. Doesn't the notifications function work properly with monobook appearance?

HandsomeFella (talk) 22:10, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi HandsomeFella, I can't reproduce the gray line you mention in Monobook. Would you mind posting a bug ticket on Bugzilla and including a screenshot as an attachment? Thanks! Fabrice Florin (WMF) (talk) 22:54, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I'm having the same problem of HandsomeFella, and me too I use Monobook. For few seconds it apperas the "0" in that way : "DerBorg (0) Talk Preferences Watchlist Contributions Log out" ... After, the 0 is transformed in a long grey bar with a white 0 in the middle, and covers article, talk, edit, and so on. Thanks for attention. Regards. Today in the afternoon it wasn't. I've discovered it few minutes ago. --Dэя-Бøяg 23:19, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I have the same problem + the watch tab is overlapping with the standard links and inaccessible.TMCk (talk) 23:40, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
The other tabs are barely accessible and unreadable. If I wouldn't know from memory...TMCk (talk) 23:42, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Can any of you provide a screenshot? Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 04:21, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I can't, unfortunately, as I'm at work; but just Just to confirm I am having the same issue. System spec: Windows XP, Internet Explorer 7, Monobook skin. It's causing quite a significant problem with the page layout. If it also applies on my home computer (IE10), I will upload a s/s when I get home tonight. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 08:25, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I have managed to get a screenshot. See above. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 11:30, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

A bit more info: the same sequence of events happens to me as described by DerBorg above: the (0) appears briefly before turning into a long grey bar. When in the Edit window, as I am when typing this, I notice that the (0) stays in place and the layout is therefore correct. For info: I have some custom Javascript in my Monobook.js (User:Anomie/linkclassifier.js and User:Anomie/linkclassifier.css) which turns wikilinks different colours according to various circumstances (e.g. pink for AfD, green for redirects, purple for Stub articles etc.); the change from (0) to the long grey bar happens at the exact moment the .js is activated (i.e. the moment when the links on whichever page I'm on turn green, purple, pink or whatever). Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 11:37, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Talk page changes

This seems to have got rid of the old "Your talk page has changed" message - is that correct? If so, is there any way to restore it? It was far more noticeable than a little (1) next to my user name. An optimist on the run!   22:36, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Not at the moment, no. In my interface, at least, I find the use of red (very rare on WP) to be pretty prominent. We may, if there's a really substantial dislike of this format, introduce a full opt-out - but anything like that we do introduce will only be temporary. In the long term, this feature isn't going away. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 23:02, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree that discoverability of the red badge isn't the best. On a related note: I have a few notifications and getting back to the red badge after I scroll down is quite problematic. We may need to re-visit the conversation around some minimal amount of persistence for the top right navigation, so its always visible. Vibhabamba (talk) 23:19, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

For my own use, I don't mind the notifications, but for new users who are being warned, the Orange bar needs to be returned. To be honest, I'd be happy if users who received a warning had a page-filling orange/red/flashing notification, so that way they'd be less likely to ignore it. But if new users were not noticing the orange bar before, they're certainly not going a small flag in the top right. Being told that you have a new message on your talk page should be bold and dramatic, not subtle. That is, the orange bar should be the default, and the notifications form should be the opt-in. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:47, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm not expecting the new feature to "go away", but it should supplement the existing functionality, not replace it. An optimist on the run!   08:07, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I agree. I've commented below about the problems of getting contact with some new users already - perhaps OBOD could be kept for those new accounts recent enough to be monitored in the list of Edits by New Accounts, or less than however many months old. Peridon (talk) 12:44, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

The talk page notification isn't prominent enough, and from what I've read it looks like there is nothing to distinguish new messages from other non-urgent notifications. Peter James (talk) 13:15, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Mention notification

My reading of the mention notification is that users will only be notified if their userpage is linked in the form ]. Is that correct or will I also be notified if someone mentions ] or uses {{u|Ryan Vesey}} (or another shorthand user template)? Ryan Vesey 22:38, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

See bottom of #Talk page mentions, ANI and interaction bans. Theopolisme (talk) 22:52, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Ryan Vesey, you are correct that mentions only work if their user page is linked in double brackets. Also note that currently this notification is only sent is someone posts in a new section of a talk page other than yours, and if they sign their edit. For more info, here's the feature requirement. Thanks! Fabrice Florin (WMF) (talk) 23:11, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Does the OBOD have to go?

Well, does it? Some users (myself included) have gotten used to the reassuring orange-y rectangle that has graced our screens for what feels like a small eternity. It'd be a shame to say goodbye just because Oliver and his clan decided to shake things up a bit. ;) All kidding aside, I wonder if it would be possible to incorporate some sort of "big notification for certain events" checkbox in the Echo preferences (so, theoretically I could check that box next to "talk page message" and then get a faux-OBOD whenever those events occurred...like the checkbox currently works for email). Is this at all possible, if only for us reluctantees? Theopolisme (talk) 23:06, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I think it's probably worth considering :). I did have some reservations about removing the OBOD - for every other type of activity Echo surfaces, it's an improvement. For talkpage messages (which are dang important) it's not. I imagine if there are substantial concerns we can talk through different ways of resolving them - this could be one of them! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 23:09, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

The issue is simply that now, talk page messages "matter" in the UI the exact same as...getting a new article you created linked to from another one? Just something to consider, especially from the new editor standpoint. Theopolisme (talk) 23:11, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Theopolisme you bring up a critical point here. I would like to introduce myself since I'm relatively new. I designed the interface for Echo. The lack of scannability, filters & persistence for the Talk page messages is one we will need to address like Oliver mentioned. Some of the options we considered were 1. A separate badge for Talk messages, even though this will eventually be handled by another project around discussions called Flow. 2. An interim filter/ toggle within the flyout and the archive page that lets the user toggle between All notifications and Talk page Notifications only. Vibhabamba (talk) 23:29, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

• I'd like to request that the orange bar stay, or at least that we have the option to choose it for talk-page messages, rather than the new notifications. The bar is much more noticeable. I also think it's problematic to remove the bar from new users; the little numbers next to the name are easily missed, and people don't always add an email address to their preferences. SlimVirgin 02:25, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
  • The truth is we need a way to differentiate unimportant notices (new Signpost issue), important notices (edit reverted), and vital notices (ANI mentions). The OBOD can't tell the first of these from the last – and Echo can't tell any of them apart. -- Ypnypn (talk) 03:29, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Support having an option to retain OBOD. Also, make the default setting for any user as "enabled" TheOriginalSoni (talk) 04:17, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Also support retention of the orange bar, please, if at all possible. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 08:26, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

• Another Support for retention of the orange bar. To be honest, I was puzzled at first about references to the orange bar - I didn't recall the message having any background colour, and I had to check on another Wiki. To me, that shows how effective it was, that the message is more memorable than the colour. An optimist on the run!   09:14, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
• No, I'm spartacus! err, wait, wrong thing... I also Support an option for retaining the OBOD. — -dainomite   09:19, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Very Strong support for retaining OBOD. It's hard enough to get new editors to look at their talk pages as it is. If all they get is a little number at the top (or wherever it goes on Vector), they aren't going to know what it's for. OBOD is in the face obvious. As for me, I missed four messages before I noticed it and worked out what it was for. I can see it as useful for the 'other page' notifications - which are useful and a step in the right direction. (I don't always complain...) I see it as a giant step backwards in terms of communicating with newbies (and experienced editors who are busy) for talk page messages. Peridon (talk) 11:39, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Strong support for retaining OBOD (which, on my user page was always purple)

• The miniscule teeny tiny red pipe notification is only as workable as an editor's vision. Visually challenged editors will not be able to see it due to size, and/or that combined with color. Some human beings cannot see variations of the red spectrum.
• Too easy to get in the habit of ignoring it. How long before any editor develops a habit of ignoring the new red pipe and eventually forgets to even notice it's there?

— Maile (talk) 12:09, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

How did you get a purple one? Peridon (talk) 12:47, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Very Strong support for retaining OBOD Werieth (talk) 12:30, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Strong support for retention I've already missed two messages today because the new interface doesn't catch my attention in the same way; if I hadn't seen them on my watchlist I still wouldn't know they were there. Admins are expected to respond promptly to questions; how are we meant to do that if we don't know they've been asked? Yunshui 雲‍水 13:02, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't go away!

So, I see I have notifications, I check my talk page... and then I still have notifications!! Can they go away please once I check my talk page (or whatever)? Red Slash 00:43, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

These notifications are not clever enough to know when you've looked at the triggering page. If you click the red number, to expand the flyout, or visit https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Notifications it should make the ones that you have seen the notification display as read so the number will go away and they will show less prominently.

Do you want the number to go away, or do you want them to go from the list? They could be made to go and the list only show new/unread notifications if it turns out that's popular feedback. LWelling (talk) 01:19, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Red Slash Is it bothering you that old notifications continue to sit in the flyout even once you have seen them? We did try to give them a grey treatment so they look different than a new notification. Like Luke said, Clearing them completely so the flyout is empty once you have click on 'Mark as Read' is another option we had explored some time ago. My focus on the team was to design the interface and so the behavior, so your feedback is very important to me. Thanks Vibhabamba (talk) 07:42, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Preferences Notifications tab

I'm seeing this.

• Email settings: A drop down selection, that is defaulted to "Individual notices as they come in", which is definitely not the default on my User Profile tab. I changed it to "Do not send me any email notifications", but if you don't tell users about this, how will they know they need to adjust it?.
• Notify me about these events The first item "Talk page posts" ONLY has the option of being notified by email. All the rest have the option of web notification.

Since I prefer not to get email notifications of anything from Misplaced Pages, and I think I'm not alone in that, I find the defaults need to be adjusted to match the User Profile tab. And why can't we get notification of talk page posts except by email? Are you telling us we can't get notification of our own talk page posts unless we agree to email slush? — Maile (talk) 01:06, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

That's just a confusing quirk in the UI. If you turn off talk page post notifications you'll still get them on the web. I think the code to add a greyed out, always checked checkbox is written, it just was not done in time to be tested and released today. This is the related bug. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47743 It should be clearer looking in a few days.LWelling (talk) 01:14, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

How to turn this off

I've unchecked all the options in my preferences, and I've asked for no email notifications, but I'm still getting notifications via the number next to my name. Can this be turned off completely? SlimVirgin 01:34, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

New messages on your user talk page can't be turned off since the orange message bar was removed. Ryan Vesey 01:38, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

That's a pity. The orange bar was much more noticeable, which is important for new users. I'm also not keen on having to go to a special page to view the messages so that the notifications go away. Can we not have an opt-in/out option for this? SlimVirgin 01:55, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

See #Does the OBOD have to go? Personally, if it's not too difficult for the devs, I think it would be great to have an option to choose between echo notifications and the orange bar for talk page messages. I love the new notification system, but I'd prefer to keep the orange bar for talk page messages. Ryan Vesey 02:10, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Different strokes for different folks. I think the removal of the orange bar is the greatest thing ever. I hope I never see it again. Viriditas (talk) 03:46, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

So far, using #pt-notifications { visibility: hidden; } in my skin css file works on making it invisible. There is a resulting empty space though.--Rockfang (talk) 04:16, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

• As said above, we can potentially introduce an opt-out if there's strong user demand for it - but any opt-out would be temporary. Eventually, Echo will be here for all users in some form. Right now I think we'd probably do better focusing on ways to make talkpage notes more prominent; does anyone have any suggestions on that front? Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 04:20, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

What about - and I'm just spitballing here - a banner that appears at the top of every page a user sees until they visit their talkpage? It could be an eye-catching colour - orange, say - and could have a couple of useful links, like the user's talkpage and talkpage history. I know that's a bit of a left-field idea, but I'm sure it couldn't be that hard to code... Yunshui 雲‍水 13:19, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

• • Where can I sign up for the opt-out? I'm not a fan of things becoming more social media-esque. Thanks, — -dainomite   07:46, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Talk page notifications and bots

Bots are kinda fringe case, If a bot marks its edit as minor to your talk page you wouldn't receive the OBOD. Made the archiving bots and other minor bots very useful without being annoying. Since ECHO has been enabled this feature has disappeared. I am getting useless annoying notices about archival. Werieth (talk) 02:06, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Good point! That's a trivial fix, I suspect - I'll stick it in Bugzilla now :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 04:11, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Diffs?

Is it possible for the notifications to include diffs? Ryan Vesey 02:11, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

• Yes please. This is particularly important for large, busy pages; while many user talk pages are rather pristine, it's not unusual to have multiple active discussions on a single page. This will become increasingly important as the ability to add individual pages to one's "list" is activated. No diffs for posts on ANI is a nightmare not to be contemplated. Just for the record, I like this. Risker (talk) 03:18, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

  Uh. What ability? Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 04:21, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

  I think what User:Ryan Vesey and User:Risker (the users should get notifications right now, BTW ) are trying to suggest is to have a diff for whatever triggered the notification. For example, if someone leaves you a talk page message, it would have a diff of the edit to the talk page. The only notification that wouldn't really need a diff is the user rights change notification.

  By the way, why does the section link (→) for a talk page notification only show up at Special:Notifications and not on the drop-down? The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 05:33, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

  Using the notification you just sent me, I learned that the link is really a section link. So I clicked Misplaced Pages talk:Notifications but that was actually piped to Misplaced Pages talk:Notifications#Diffs?. Check it out for yourself (assuming piping your username doesn't stop the notification). Ryan Vesey 05:41, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

  (I got the notification) Yes, but I'm wondering why the section link only shows up on the special page and not on the drop-down after clicking the number. The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 05:44, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Mild Annoyance

On Win8+IE10 with the stock monobook theme in the header (where the watchlist, contribution, and other links are) it takes about a half second to load from "(#)" (where # is the number of notifications) to the icon form on every page load. This is slightly annoying when you want to make a fast click on your watchlist or whatnot. I'm guessing there's a bottleneck in the javascript or something? Ryan Norton 02:38, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

• Note: I thought turning on compat mode would fix it but instead after the load it shows the icon color across the whole page horizontally, messing up the entire header layout. Ryan Norton 02:53, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

  Yep; that's a known bug we're tracking now :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 03:58, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Excellent Innovation

I love this new innovation. A really helpful tool. Thank you all. Melbourne3163 (talk) 04:47, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 14:52, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Some quick way to show I've "read" a notification

The current notice doesn't "GO" unless I've clicked on the link. I'd want a "Read them all" button and/or an option to "read" a notification once I click on it. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 05:46, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Are you sure? I had 15 notifications earlier today and I'm almost positive they went away as soon as I clicked the number next to my name. Ryan Vesey 05:48, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I still have two notifications after clicking the number and clicking the links multiple times. A "Read them all" button would be useful. The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 05:51, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

For real? I just did a test where I gave myself 2 notifications. I clicked the number next to my name and they went to 0 instantly. Perhaps it only happens when there's more notifications than the dropdown can handle. Ryan Vesey 05:54, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

That's strange. Anonymous, could you give us some more details? It certainly should be going away :/. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 05:57, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I misunderstood. The number does go to 0, but I was wondering if there was a way to actually remove read notifications. The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 06:02, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) Hi there, My role on this project was the user experience, so I want to understand what your expectation around this interaction. We have been exploring some Dismiss/ Remove/ Unsubscribe from this category feature but we weren't able to get it in for this release. Is there the desire to have an empty flyout (the panel from the top right that carries the notices) when you 'Mark All as read' OR Do you think you would want to dismiss a notification one at a time to remove it from the flyout so you can selectively remove content? Thanks, this information will be useful for the next iteration on the project. Vibhabamba (talk) 07:53, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm not really sure what exactly you mean, but I believe Anonymouse would like the ability to completely empty Special:Notifications. Ryan Vesey 07:59, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I think that being able to remove each notification individually would be even more useful because I would be able to tell which notifications I have "dealt with".

For example, I used my bot account to send a message to my talk page. I removed the message because it was a test. But now the notification is still stuck in the list of notifications. I would like to be able to remove it since I already read and responded to that message. That's just my expectation; I'm not sure about other users. The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 08:05, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

• What I'd also like is some flexiblity with the notifications. Like the ability to delete some of the notifications, and leave the rest, or even something like "Mark as unread" which would not set the number of notifications back to 0, but leave the marked notifications intact incase I decide to deal with a particlarly time-consuming reply later. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 08:07, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Pagelink notices

Don't you think pagelink notices should... er... link to the pages in question?? Currently all I get is a Whatlinkshere link from the triggering page link. C'mon, this is too obvious to call the feature "beta" - it's alpha. Rd232 05:52, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Came here to say this. That's an oversight. Viriditas (talk) 08:18, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

There's also no distinction between template links and links in the article wikitext. Being able to deactivate the feature for certain pages (high-traffic ones that will pop up all the time) is years away, fine. But this needs doing sooner (and preferably with a preference to not notify template links). Rd232 05:57, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Ah, is that why I just got notification telling me that "Steven Speilberg was linked from Puck (A Midsummer Night's Dream)"? Neither of those pages are on my watchlist, but maybe a template is? Viriditas (talk) 08:48, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Looks like it was vandalism. OK, that's just weird. Viriditas (talk) 08:49, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Note, I added the resolved tag as it appears someone added links to notifications after this comment was made. Viriditas (talk) 11:23, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Are you nuts?

Seriously, are you nuts? I've only just noticed that Echo kills the Orange Bar for talkpage notices. Until now I was under the impression that Echo, being still very much under development, would supplement existing systems, including the Orange Bar. Did no-one think

1. yes, this is a major interface change which we should really ask people about.
2. hm, asking people is too much trouble. Let's just make sure we don't get rid of existing key features.
3. hm, let's at least give people LOTS OF CLEAR WARNING.

Honestly, between this and the mobile development saga, I think my WP:DEVMEMO idea is more needed than ever. (Also some of this pain would be reduced with cross-wiki watchlists....) Rd232 05:49, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Can we have a show of hands of people who actually like the orange bar? I mean, sure, we're going to have that same, small group of people who hate and despise every interface change and who are probably still bitching about monobook, but seriously, the orange bar? The most horrible interface mod ever created? Please, just let it die. Viriditas (talk) 06:14, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

People always seem to complain there wasn't notice even when there was, if they personally were surprised by a change. To the credit of Oliver and others who built this feature, there were several days of watchlist notices, Village Pump technical posts, and multiple Signpost mentions (1, 2) of this as a major new feature under development. That list only covers about what was mentioned on-wiki here, and doesn't include the multiple IRC office hours devoted to the feature, monthly progress reports about Foundation engineering delivered via blog, wiki pages, and mailing lists, the public specifications on MediaWiki.org which have been available for months, or the public Editor Engagement mailing list which gives weekly updates about every software development effort on this team. Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 06:23, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

That doesn't count because you didn't give us a chance to bite your head off for spamming by leaving talk page notices.</sarcasm> Ryan Vesey 06:27, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

no Steven, you don't get to treat me like an ignorant moron because WMF failed to adequately document and advertise a major interface change. Echo/Notifications coming? Yes, lots of notice of that. And I've even used it a bit on mediawiki.org. A couple of days ago, when it was due to go live on 25 April, I read most of the documentation. And still until it was mentioned and confirmed on this page I was totally clueless that the Orange Bar was going to disappear. Is the Orange Bar perfect? No, but it's long-established, and you're replacing it with something which in important respects is materially worse (for now), because it makes talkpage messages much less prominent, and certainly very different. In short, your response merely proves that you really don't get the communication problem here. Rd232 07:07, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

The design issue was mentioned in January 2012: mw:Talk:Echo_(Notifications)#You_have_new_messages_bar_10999. Yes, that's well over a year ago. Rd232 11:06, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Shows hands Regardless of whether or not who likes or dislikes the orange bar (You certainly dislike it, and I certainly like it) we must think of the utility it has. Its fairly obvious many users are very comfortable with having the OBOD, which replaced by a small red box is not a good thing. Whats more important is that there are many new users and IPs who would pay attention to think a lot more if there was a flashing orange bar across the page. We've already got plenty of problems with users not seeing their talk page. If the OBOD goes, all they see is a red link listing dozens of reverts and one tiny warning to block, which would be missed very easily. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 08:02, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but I think IPs still get the OBOD since they don't get notifications. The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 08:07, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

See discussion below, #IP notifications. Rd232 10:56, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

• Personally I am a big fan of the OBOD as it is a large bright notification that cannot be easily missed. and should not have been removed. Werieth (talk) 12:27, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
• Holding hand up I don't like getting OBOD, but I find it useful (except for Signpost's arrival and bots signing things for people). I think it essential for new editors. Getting them to listen to what we're saying is bad enough - with this tiny thing they're not even going to know that we are telling them something. How can we claim to have warned them about something if they don't even know they've got a talk page? (Does happen...) If it's being kept for IPs, why can't it be applied to editors with less than an agreed number of weeks, or edits, with a helpful little bot posting on their talk page to tell them to start looking for little red things instead when they've been here that long? (With an orange banner to tell them of the bot message, of course...) Peridon (talk) 12:59, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
• Another hand shown. Many new users do not understand about talk pages, (and some even manage to miss the orange bar!) They certainly will not notice the small red blob on the top line. The right solution would be to bring back the orange bar, ON by default, with an option for experienced users to turn it OFF if they choose (which I, for one, would not do.) JohnCD (talk) 13:05, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
• Hand raise - there are several threads on this page requesting the same thing. Is it possible to amalgamate them? Perhaps an RfC could be raised. (Sorry, I'm rather busy at present or I'd do it myself.) An optimist on the run!   13:13, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
• Comment I think 'bring back' OBOD is a very understandable, but somewhat oversimplified response to this development. I would say: Please make talk page notifications more 'noticeable'. This is per the common concept that direct user messages should be more distinct than environment messages. If this cannot be speedily done, consider bringing back the Orange bar for a while in addition to the notification indicator. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:20, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Agreed, the Orange Bar isn't irreplaceable (though for something so long established, replacement will always take a bit of getting used to). There's two clear issues: (a) direct user messages need to have due prominence (and not be piled in with much less important event messages) and (b) a transition to a new interface needs to be done as smoothly as possible. Both aspects have been badly mishandled here. Rd232 14:28, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
• Hand raise. I like it for myself, and as mentioned below, it's essential for IPs. Make it default with opt-out, since there's no point in forcing registered users to have it if they don't want it. Nyttend (talk) 14:24, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
• Hand raise—separate from the IP issue, which is getting fixed (?) below, I personally like the orange bar, and it would be good to have something more noticeable. Ignatzmice•talk 14:36, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Documentation issues

Some docs that need updating:

• Help:Talk_page#You_have_new_messages
• Misplaced Pages:You_have_a_new_message#User_talk_notification
• Help:Introduction to talk pages/User talk pages

Probably others too. Rd232 10:56, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Update

• Hey all; sorry for the problems with this - here's an update on what we're doing:

  On the IP issue, this is being actively discussed and patched - hopefully it'll be fixed with some sense of urgency.

  On the prominence of the OBOD, I've just started a thread on ways to make the talkpage note more prominent. The issue of reducing prominence for talkpage notices was something I brought up, and so we have done some mental prep for making a design change. What I'd suggest, however, is that the full orange bar is likely to be a substantial clash and change (it basically means taking talkpage messages out of Echo - which would totally work for this problem, but I'm convinced there's a better fix we can all think of). What I'd really appreciate is this: if anyone has any ideas for ways to increase prominence for talkpage messages other than the OBOD, please provide them here; I'll throw them at the Product team and hopefully we can find a solution that works for everyone. If none of the ideas any of us think of pan out, we can talk about the OBOD. Is that okay? Thank you, everyone, for your restraint thus far; I appreciate it must be very frustrating. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 14:47, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

A bigger notification button, at the very least. This current button is a third of the size of Facebook's — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:49, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

My idea is to give me a big orange bar that is extremely noticeable so that there is no question about whether or not someone who is actively making edits might have missed it...and so that I won't happen to miss a notification if I'm not specifically looking for it between each edit. Thanks. --Onorem♠Dil 15:03, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

User mentions have potential...

With this edit, my bot account mentioned me without even visibly showing my username and I still received a notification. This could potentially be used for a form of "talkback", where a special template could be used to notify the person that you are replying to. For example, a user replying to me could put something like {{Reply|The Anonymouse}} at the beginning of their reply. The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 06:07, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I've already found myself using this. +1 for killing big blue talkbacks once and for all. Theopolisme (talk) 11:00, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Yay! Flow will actually handle this too, but it's good we could come up with half a solution (albeit accidentally!) so early :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 14:42, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Notifications for updates in important articles

Could you please tell me if this project plans to add notifications for updates in some important articles (according to my additions). I think it would be very helpful to me. Thanks, New worl (talk) 06:45, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

New worl Hi there, Do you mean that we send you a notification when an image has been added/ article has significantly grown/ template has been added? to an article that you have classified as important. We have some ideas around this but there is also potential overlap with the watch-list here. My focus on this project was the user experience so it would be useful to get some details from you. Thanks Vibhabamba (talk) 07:59, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Links on notification pages

Can someone have a look at the way links for namespaces like File and Category are linked on notifcation pages (not the fly out page) but Special:Notifications. Currently the linkage is ] so the image is displayed on my notification page rather than just a link by ]. If it's the same for catgeory and template links, this could lead to some interesting displays. NtheP (talk) 07:20, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Can you specify which type of notification specifically caused this for you ? —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 12:17, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Only edit revert at the moment. NtheP (talk) 13:29, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

IP notifications

According to the FAQ, IPs don't use the new notifications system, and the system has replaced the old Orange Bar Of Doom. Does this mean that IPs now receive no notification when their talk pages have been changed? — Mr. Stradivarius 08:14, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I just tested it. No orange bar. Viriditas (talk) 10:02, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Fix this, as soon as humanely possible--talk about jarring oversights. Theopolisme (talk) 10:50, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I find it hard to believe that this is true. Are you quite, quite sure? Can anyone else confirm? This would be just mindboggling. Rd232 10:54, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I'll try it again. Viriditas (talk) 10:59, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Second test complete. No orange bar. Viriditas (talk) 11:04, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Filed a bug to get a definitive conclusion or response. (I'm still thinking you must have made some mistake... this just can't be really so...!) Rd232 11:19, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

No mistake, and if you look at my user history, I tried two different IPs just to be sure. IPs don't get the orange bar. Should I try it for a third time? Viriditas (talk) 11:21, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, if you're quite sure that after leaving the message and logging out you were using that IP and should have had the orange bar - then I guess it is so. Rd232 11:24, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Just tried two more times. Nothing. Viriditas (talk) 11:34, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

(ec) I've just tested it as well - definitely no notification. An optimist on the run!   11:36, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

If the reports about the orange bar are correct, Notifications is broken. I sometimes see a new editor (possibly an IP) do something, and I give them a welcome with a message explaining some point (example). I'm not going to do that if it is highly likely that the user will never notice my message (and I'm not going to make a second account to test what it looks like to a new user—perhaps a screenshot would save some trouble). What is going to happen when a user gets some {{uw-test1}} or {{uw-vandalism1}} warnings? Again, I'm not going to bother warning an IP or throwaway account if it is likely I'm wasting my time. The orange bar tells the IP/account that someone has noticed their fun, and that's often all that is required for them to turn their attention elsewhere. I do not think a notification will do that. Also, will a notification be regarded as sufficient warning for a repeat to result in a block? Johnuniq (talk) 11:36, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

It's not that the notification is not enough (though I don't think it is); IP users don't get the notification (I have just confirmed by experiment) so they are not told at all that they have a message. The whole vandal-warning system has become useless. This is a disaster. JohnCD (talk) 11:44, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Also this would lead to a potential loss of reformed vandals who stop vandalizing at a level-1 or level-2 warning since they won't be aware that they were warned.. TheStrikeΣagle 11:50, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I think I already found the cause and it looks like a simple oversight, if I'm correct, this likely will be fixed after San Francisco wakes up. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 12:00, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Thankfully. But this issue just underlines my #Are_you_nuts.3F complaint: if it had been made clear that the Orange Bar was being removed, and that Echo was only for registered users, then "what happens to unregistered users" might have come up as an issue sooner. Excitement about a new system is great, but it's no substitute for documentation. See also my general remarks on user interface changes here. Rd232 12:06, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

• So, the FAQ says "We're not planning to bring the OBOD back nor to make it available as a preference". Hopefully this was just someone being glib, and not an official position that will never change. This would have been almost painless if the notification system had been rolled out exactly as it was, except making the OBOD opt-out. As is, it's screwed up IP communication, and insulted other users who might want it for no apparent reason. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:55, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

  Well, it was made by the deputy director, so I suspect it may indeed be an official position :/. The IP communication bug is being fixed, and we're actively talking through how to increase the prominence of the notifications for talkpage messages. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 15:02, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Echo blacklist?

Is there a way for Echo to ignore edits by certain bots—namely, User:HostBot, whose edits (example) include a link to an unsuspecting host's talk page? Theopolisme (talk) 10:54, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Slightly related this topic higher up. Though this bot leaves 'major' edits apparently. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:11, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Not getting a link

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T49932

I'm using the modern skin and the notifications "menu" does not drop down, nor am I taken to Special:Notifications when I click on it. Right now if I click the number goes to zero but nothing displays. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 13:44, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Give me my orange bar back

That is all. Thanks. --Onorem♠Dil 14:50, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

See #Update above :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 15:00, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Can you explain why re-adding the OBOD (as an opt-out) would require taking talk page notifications out of Echo? Why can't it do both, for those that want it to? --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:04, 1 May 2013 (UTC)