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Thanks for creating Gasr Bu Hadi, DragonTiger23!

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Thanks for creating Kalmyk Khanate, DragonTiger23!

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Reviewed as part of page curation. Interesting historical article. Additional references may be helpful and useful. Kieranian2001 (talk) 13:38, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

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Krakow

The article Krakow deserves sources with well-developed background info, not a single line in book unrelated to the city that says "probably", only "probably (!) counted 10,000 inhabitants..." If you honestly believe that the similar expanded data can be found in other sources, please provide them instead of flaming the summaries with unsupported claims. The single line you added is out of place where it is now and it does not reflect the source. I would rather see a short paragraph about the Medieval population there. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 19:51, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

That's a lot better. Please allow me to make your one-liner into a paragraph. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 20:43, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Stop undoing

Stop changing the heading please.

Go make your own section. I made that section

It's the section of us all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4CA0:2201:1:4DBC:A6EA:1B56:E268 (talk) 14:31, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

• While I don't agree with the IP's sentiments, you shouldn't edit war over the heading - someone else will doubtless set it to whatever consensus is. --Ritchie333 14:34, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Stop yelling also

Please. I know it does not help. (Been there, seen that...) Best wishes. --E4024 (talk) 18:30, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

It did help. After that the admins 'noticed'.DragonTiger23 (talk) 18:37, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

No - it didn't help. I turned everyone against you, as can be expected. It negated your argument. Well done (✉→BWilkins←✎) 18:56, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

LGBT stuff

Your sources belong to Christian publishers, certainly of no academic value. You could've easily searched what academics has to say about this issue and found this one. In any case I suggest you keep the "Ataturk was gay" battle with your Greek friends in Youtube where it belongs, Misplaced Pages is not a place for such mentality.--Kathovo talk 10:47, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Why would christian publishers have no academic value, your arguments are the classic story I don't like it.

LGBT in Assyrian culture has been investigated by historians and the sources I included had references to them. Yes I also found that some texts have commands against neighbors accusing of LGBT, I will add that too, but still it seems that Assyrians had an open homosexual society as their priests were men dressing in women clothes, and some kings also did this.

I don't care about internet battles with weird people so your argument accusing me of ethnic/gay battles in YouTube is very childish. I am just adding information about ancient Assyrian culture, and your mentality about removing info which you do not like does not belong in Misplaced Pages.

I will add the info back with the other point of view.DragonTiger23 (talk) 11:10, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

No you may not. That article deals with the modern Aramaic speaking Christian community. You may add LGBT info regarding ancient Mesopotamian religion into its existing article.--Kathovo talk 13:39, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Your contributed article, Rawanduz massacre

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• Hi. We would only split out a separate article about the massacre if there was sufficient material for significantly larger coverage than in the original article. As it was, the new article really said nothing more than the article Rowanduz, and that article is very short and could easily accommodate some expansion if there is any further material. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:53, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Edits around homosexuality

I can't work out what you're up to, but if I was being cynical I would say you were trying to promote some sort of Turkish/ muslim/ Ottoman agenda. This resists any edits that suggest muslim/ Turkish/ Ottoman figures could have been homosexual (Mehmed the Conqueror). While at the same time you are editing Christian/ Assyrian/ Western articles with copious references to homosexuality (Sebastian of Portugal) - even though the sources you use are often weak. If this is what is happening then that is genuinely childish and not welcome on wikipedia (vandalism). If my suspicions are confirmed then I will alert what you are doing to an administrator. Contaldo80 (talk) 08:54, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Promote some sort of Turkish/ muslim/ Ottoman agenda?? Where are you basing this on? I have only removed these categories in 1 or 2 articles. I have already explained everything in the talkpage. I know you control the page of Mehmed II but I never see you undoing the edits made by anonymous IPs or other biased persons who ignore the talk page. If you are LGBT why do you find it disturbing that I add these categories to persons who are sourced. I think you are hypocritical adding eagerly weak sources to Ottoman rulers but then removing sourced info about Christian rulers. And about Ancient Assyria, the sources are not weak, that the sources are weak was claimed by an Assyrian user himself who probably is anti LGBT(!)

I do not normally edit LGBT issues but I saw how eager IPs and Users are adding these categories to Ottoman rulers (Ofcourse because of hate towards Ottomans) so I thought maybe I should add these same categories to LGBT people where they seem to forget to add it(!). DragonTiger23 (talk) 10:29, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Just for the record I don't have anything negative against people of any sexual preference. I only reverted because dubious records of "cross-dressing homosexual priests" 3000 years ago was deemed extremely irrelevant for the modern ethnic group.--Kathovo talk 21:59, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. It's clear to me know that you are indeed out to vandalise articles. I will alert an administrator to what you are doing. Contaldo80 (talk) 12:19, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

I am not out to vandalize articles, you are very offensive against my user I will complain against the admins.DragonTiger23 (talk) 12:21, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Please do, and make sure to copy me in. I find it interesting that you think that attaching LGBT categories to subjects is a way to discredit them. I think the opposite of course - and in some ways your edits have improved the articles and ensured there is much better coverage and promotion of LGBT articles on wikipedia. Well done! However, where the sources are weak the categories will be removed. Perhaps you should do some further research into LGBT issues and see if you can help build supporting text. Contaldo80 (talk) 12:29, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

No I do not do it to discredit and I do research I based this all on sources, why are you instantly removing everything? Why so much hostility?DragonTiger23 (talk) 12:32, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

If you want to see real discrediting edits, then you can watch the last dozens of edits in Mehmed II made by anonymous users ignoring the talk page. You really think they add those sentences because they support LGBT rights? Those persons are anti Mehmed II haters who hate Ottoman Empire because it destroyed Byzantines. They are also probably anti LGBT and think about LGBT as negative so they only add this to slander, they cherry pick from sources. Their point is also to accuse of raping so it is not about adding information but only slander. No Misplaced Pages user does anything to stop this unneutral editing.DragonTiger23 (talk) 12:40, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately this happens. We just have to deal with it. Historical sources from the past will often only report on homosexual behaviour where they are condemning it as a weakness, a sin or a crime (such as rape). To be honest I am not convinced Mehmed was homosexual - the term really has quite a modern interpretation. But we have to accept the possibility that Mehmed may have been sexually attracted to men as well as women - and I'm interested here in anything that sheds light on a possible sexual relationship with Radu cel Fromus. The story about the 14 year old boy, on the other hand, tells us nothing about homosexual behaviour (this is sexual activity with a child, not a male adult). And seems to be drawing deliberate parallels with Pelagius of Cordoba. However, that said we must take a step back and not become emotionally involved with the subjects of articles. We should not have a view on whether something promotes or discredits a subject (and we should avoid playing games based on national prejudices). All we can do is use the facts and handle them in a balanced way. I think the text as we have it does that (almost anyway). Contaldo80 (talk) 12:53, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

We have to deal with it? Why is vandalism allowed in this article? It is absolutely impossible to know of many Medieval rulers what their sexuality was. Especially on person whose person life is not known and only based on rumours. In the case of Mehmed II these assertions are based not on Ottoman historians or eye witnesses but anti Ottoman Byzantines whose works contain much more accusations. These assertions should not have been added in the first place, they are weak sources and not neutral. It is not contributing to the article and was only added to slander by certain Users. Unfortuantely this happens all the time in Misplaced Pages. There are many more negative sources about this Sultan. We should expand the reign, administration, culture sections and stop adding dubious fictional claims about relationships.

About that part of Radu, I had already seen that in Babingers book which is the origin, in his work he states that Chalcocondylas claimed this in his book. Well those Byzantine historian wrote many more claims, it is also puzzling how he could know what happened in the palace(?) so you see its just propaganda rumors.

So the problem is various Byzantine hate propaganda about Ottomans collected by Franz Babinger (an extreme hater of Sultan Mehmed II) are used by biased users on Misplaced Pages as slandering edits.DragonTiger23 (talk) 13:22, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Sultan Mehmed II

I see you are working on the Great Conqueror; good for WP. Please delete the sentence beginning with "Another son of his was" because the following sentence already covers Sultan Cem. Also please change that section title to "Family Life". Some people have such an un-understandable enthusiasm to dig into slanders about the Great Sultan's intimacy that they have caused the WP article on such an important "brilliant" personality to have a this pale article... Please nobody come to tell me about principles, WP is about national complexes (of those who have lost). Thanks in advance. --E4024 (talk) 18:23, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

I tried to improve the article a little bit, of course you are totally right about the biased haters whose only goal is to discredit. How incredible they are! I have not seen any Turkish user going to Byzantine emperors or their historical personalities trying to do what they do. After years of violation and hate on Mehmed's page I searched for sources about LGBT in Western royalty, they literally went crazy and then they pretend they are tolerant and neutral! Some even came here threatening me you can see their whining above and then they continued adding LGBT info about an historical person whom they know nothing about. So much biased people on Misplaced Pages they do not shame for their hate behavior at all.DragonTiger23 (talk) 20:07, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

You're presumably talking about me and my "whining". I'm not biased against Mehmed II. I don't hate Ottomans or Turks. I a not interested in digging up slanders. I have no strong feelings about them at all. I couldn't care less about "Byzantines"!! Incidentally I am English and haven't "lost" anything. I welcome anything to improve LGBT coverage of western rulers. But unlike you I don't see it as a game of hurt national pride and attempts to "discredit" historical figures. I just want good sources that reduce edits being removed later on. Time to grow up if you're going to edit here properly. Contaldo80 (talk) 08:48, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Then do not add negative detailed dubious text based on claims to the page which was already discussed before. If you can contribute something other than this to the article. But if your only goal is to add negative false information about Mehmed II do not edit at all to this page. Go improve LGBT coverage of Western rulers.DragonTiger23 (talk) 10:41, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

I do regularly, and discussion on those articles is generally more constructive and mature. Contaldo80 (talk) 12:08, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Do it moreDragonTiger23 (talk) 14:07, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Well if I wasn't wasting so much time trying to sort out your disruptive edits then I would. Contaldo80 (talk) 09:21, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Do you see hallucinations? I am not related to your disruptive edits, it is yourself.DragonTiger23 (talk) 12:54, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Misplaced Pages's policy on edit warring. Thank you.--В и к и T 15:01, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

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A thread at the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard that you opened entitled "Mehmed the Conqueror" is awaiting a response from you. If you don't think this is still a issue, the thread will be closed in 24 hours. If not, please respond so that the dispute can be resolved.Hasteur (talk) 15:37, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit-warring

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. . If you remove the Circassians one more time, you will be in breach of 3RR, and I will report you. This is the first and last warning you will be receiving. Athenean (talk) 17:05, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

By the way, can you explain this edit ? Those towns are not Smyrna, and the fire started four days after the Greek army left, but 4 days after the Turkish army entered the city. Athenean (talk) 17:11, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

(Gemlik-Yalova) Circassians are not mentioned by the sources for the events, for example the source says village A was burned down by Greek troops. Then adding Circassians there is false and absurd, and this is based upon one sentence who does not elaborate at all. On the other hand the primary sources, report of commission and Toynbee never mention Circassian involvement in Gemlik-Yalova, why are you ignoring this? So Smith who uses these reports, the most logical explanation is that he probably mentioned Circassians by mistake in that sentence because of their atrocities in different regions.

(Smyrna fire edit)Well if you before blindly reverting my edit had read the article you would see, there was a section called, Greek Withdrawal from Anatolia, and there it was written that it needed Expansion, so I tried to expand it I did not do POV editing, what do you want that is written in that part? That the Greek army did not burn everything on their path of retreat? The Greek scorched earth policy seems to be relevant to the Smyrna fire article.DragonTiger23 (talk) 17:25, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Regarding Gemlik-Yalova, what is absurd is you trying to claim that "Smith who uses these reports, the most logical explanation is that he probably mentioned Circassians by mistake". It is not for you to decide when sources "make mistakes", whenever it is convenient for you. Regarding Smyrna, just because some IP added an irrelevant section, doesn't mean you have to expand it. By the way, why did you decide to do that now? Your timing is very interesting. You are aware that there is an arbitration case to deal with users that act in a disruptively in this are, right? Athenean (talk) 17:30, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Cherry picking that sentence is wrong the other sources do not mention Circassian involvement, do not distort the events. I did not time that edit, I looked at my older edits and found out that and now that I am busy with the Greco Turkish war. And btw it is not forbidden in Misplaced Pages to expose Greek army crimes, I do not know if this is the case in Greek wikipedia.DragonTiger23 (talk) 17:42, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

So you admit that you are out "to expose Greek army crimes". Looking at your edit history, it does appear that you have an axe to grind with respect to Greek people. Just remember that wikipedia is a neutral encyclopedia, and those that are not here to build a neutral encyclopedia are thrown out. You would do well to remember that. Athenean (talk) 17:47, 14 May 2013 (UTC)