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A news item involving 2013 Moore tornado was featured on Misplaced Pages's Main Page in the In the news section on 20 May 2013.

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Why is this a separate article?

We already have a working article on the last 3 days of the outbreak, and while this appears to be the most violent of the storms and the most devastating, much of the details before and after (the weather system, the disaster handling) will be the same as in the main outbreak article. I strongly recommend merging all this into the outbreak article as a separate section and keeping this as a redirect. --MASEM (t) 23:06, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

You can't be serious? If jophin or moore 1999 deserves a article this does too. This is a big deal Matthurricane (talk) 23:10, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Matthurricane. After this major tornado, many people will be looking for information on this tornado specifically. Therefore a separate article is warranted. --Philpill691 (talk) 23:15, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Comparing 1999 Bridge Creek – Moore tornado to 1999 Oklahoma tornado outbreak shows a lot of duplication between the articles save for the path and specific damage of the one tornado, and what other storms occurred in the latter article. I agree this storm overall needs an article and a specific section to highlight this specific tornado, but there's going to be tons of duplication if you keep them separate. --MASEM (t) 23:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

The way I have seen this done is that a brief summary is kept on the outbreak page, while the article discusses the tornado in detail, information is still comming out and you are already talking about a redirect. Anyways, I Oppose the idea, this has the notability for a stand alone article. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:21, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I also have to Agree with Matthurricane in the need for a seperate article. The sheer severity, scale of destruction and casualties caused would warrant it, I think. This holds even more true if reports that this may be the most damaging single tornado turn out to be correct. So perhaps avoid merging for now whilst information is still being collected is a more prudent path to take and merging can be re-examined a little later? AJ Kirwin (talk) 23:25, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, right now at this point it doesn't make sense to force the question of a merge or the like, but I strongly suggest after a week or so to give time for more information to come in to reconsider this. I know in the past this has been done, but again, you're creating a lot of repeating between connected articles; while notability might be there for the specific storm, the coverage is better as part of the larger article since 75% or more of the details are the same. It's something to consider but after the major bulk of editing (and the immediate response after this storm) have died down. --MASEM (t) 23:25, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and removed more detail from the outbreak article, so it is down to a two sentence brief summary. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:29, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

This particular tornado has claimed 30+ lives. I think it would be a hard case to make that this vast natural tragedy doesn't meet the standards for GNG and EVENT. This is far more now than mere weather news reporting. BusterD (talk) 23:37, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

The point I'm trying to make is that information on how this storm formed (the weather patterns over the last few days), and the subsequent relief, cleanup, and aftermath is going to be 99% the same as the overall series of tornadoes over the last several days. (This is true in the above 1999 torando example). The outbreak and the specific storm are tightly connected and a single article is better suited to covering both, at least at the present time. But again, not going to push for that now. --MASEM (t) 23:51, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I think it's somewhat foolish at this point to compare this tornado with the 1999 Moore tornado or the 2011 Joplin tornado. The 1999 Moore-Bridge Creek tornado was itself an exceptional weather event in that it had some of the highest wind speeds ever recorded. The 2011 Joplin tornado was exceptional in that it had a huge number of fatalities (158) compared to most tornadoes in modern history. Both of these tornadoes also were rated F5 or EF5. If THIS (the 2013 Moore tornado) meets the criteria for an independent article, then so should many, many other tornadoes, including the 1974 Xenia, Ohio tornado, the 1997 Jarrell, Texas tornado, the 2007 Greensburg, Kansas tornado, and this is by no means a comprehensive list. Given it is the rule, not the exception, to keep outbreak tornadoes within the outbreak page until their cultural importance is determined to be significant enough to warrant having their own page, I think the responsible and prudent decision would be to keep the two pages merged until such further point that it's determined an independent page is needed. DTXBrian (talk) 00:24, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

As far as I understand, there is no rule prohibiting anyone creating any of the articles you listed above. Titoxd 01:13, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Rule, no - precedent, yes. Go look up most of the tornadoes in the 25 deadliest tornadoes in US history. There are more which are paragraphs within outbreak pages than there are individual pages. The ones that tend to have individual pages are those tornadoes which are "storied". The Tri-State Tornado, for example. And numerous 19th century tornadoes which were notable enough to develop their own lore. DTXBrian (talk) 01:30, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

You are reading a bit too much into the absence of those articles. Those articles will get written when someone gets around to it. The article on the 1999 Moore tornado was created only in February 2011, when someone got around to write it. There is nothing that prohibits those articles from being created, except editor interest; there has been, to my knowledge, no previous consensus that establishes a minimum level of notability for individual EF-5 tornado articles, which is what your are trying to imply. Titoxd 01:38, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

If you are going to fuss, maybe you should create some of those articles. If not, shut up. United States Man (talk) 01:39, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Although I think this proposal is rediculous, I do understand what he means. But Knowledgekid87 has fixed the problem. United States Man (talk) 23:39, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Location

The intro needs to include the other cities that were hit in the path of this tornado, such as Newcastle, South Oklahoma City. I wasn't sure of the best way to word it. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 01:37, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

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