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2009 and previous years 2010

Re:"Lectures and interviews online" section

I think we should expand the "Lectures and intervews online" section with the first three listings under "External links". Since those first three listings are articles written by Said, I think the title "Lectures and interviews online" should be renamed accordingly, possibly to "Said online", or even better "Lectures, interviews, and articles".--Abie the Fish Peddler (talk) 02:42, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

On second thought, I would like to move the "Lectures and interviews online" section with the rest of the external links.--Abie the Fish Peddler (talk) 01:09, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree that they should be merged with the ELs. ThemFromSpace 01:13, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Okay, emboldened by your approval, Themfromspace, I made the edit. Hope it looks good to everyone.--Abie the Fish Peddler (talk) 01:20, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

The work ahead

Refs #16 through 20 need formatting. In addition, I propose an expansion of the "Career" section. Here is a rough draft. I'm curious what you all think about it.--Abie the Fish Peddler (talk) 20:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC):

It seems that this article is not very neutral, as the "Criticism" section is almost half of the full length! No other article of a contemporary or related philosopher seems to have as long of a section on criticism. Can we have some parity please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.29.132 (talk) 21:14, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Career

Professorship

In 1963, Said joined the faculty of Columbia University, in the departments of English and Comparative Literature, where he would serve until his death in 2003. In 1974 he was Visiting Professor of Comparative Literature at Harvard, in 1975-6 Fellow of the Center for Advanced Study in Behavioral Science at Stanford, and in 1977, Said became the Parr Professor of English and Comparative Literature at Columbia and subsequently became the Old Dominion Foundation Professor in the Humanities. In 1979, Said was Visiting Professor of Humanities at Johns Hopkins University. Said was also a visiting professor at Yale University and lectured at more than 100 universities. In 1992, he attained the rank of University Professor, Columbia's highest academic position.

Periodical contributions

Said's writing regularly appeared in The Nation, The Guardian, the London Review of Books, Le Monde Diplomatique, Counterpunch, Al Ahram, and the pan-Arab daily al-Hayat. In addition to his contributions as writer, he served as an editor for the Arab Studies Quarterly, The themes of his writings included literature, politics, the Middle East, music, and culture.

Various Associations

Said also served as president of the Modern Language Association, and was a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, the executive board of PEN, the American Academy of Arts and Letters, the Royal Society of Literature, the Council of Foreign Relations, and the American Philosophical Society.

Late years

In September 1991, through a routine medical checkup, Said discovered that he had leukemia, which led him to write his acclaimed memoir, Out of Place (1999), which he began work on in 1994. Though he had been given little time to live, Said continued teaching, traveling, lecturing, and authoring seven books, as well as writing the material for two posthumous works, including On Late Style in which he critiqued the later works of authors, filmmakers and musicians. Of his frame of mind during his post-prognosis days, Said commented: "I don't think that I was ever consciously afraid of dying, though I soon grew aware of the shortage of time."

Said was a 1/4 Lebanese

In an interview he stated his mother was half Lebanese, http://www.counterpunch.org/said2.html Im adding this ♥Yasmina♥ (talk) 12:07, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Nice catch. Although the way you inserted the info doesn't fit with the rest of the article. Also, you added that his maternal grandmother was Lebanese, which isn't in the article. I will make the appropriate edits. Cheers, Abie the Fish Peddler (talk) 12:30, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes i was lucky to find this,I remember hearing him say it in an interview ages ago but i dont think i could find the link to that.Its important to add that its Through his GRANDMOTHER the Lebanese ancestry is from on his mother side because the way Arab world works is its a Patriarchal society where nationality and identity is passed through the father. If your father is Palestinian and your mother syrian you are labeled and identified thoroughly as a Palestinian even if you have been born in Syria and raised there. The father's identity is yours.Said even notes that himself when he states his mother's father was palestinian and yet shes half Lebanese which is stating She is palestinian and that its her mother whose Lebanese. here,Weiner says that my mother was Lebanese, whereas she was only half Lebanese; her father was Palestinian. She had a Palestinian passport and in 1948 did in point of fact become a refugee.♥Yasmina♥ (talk) 21:48, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm not too comfortable adding any more info regarding Said's background from a primary source. Maybe a secondary source, like a biography, would have even more info and be sourced. I think we should hold off until then? What do you think?--Abie the Fish Peddler (talk) 04:47, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Sure no problem ♥Yasmina♥ (talk) 07:20, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Nice.--Abie the Fish Peddler (talk) 07:25, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I notice that Category:Lebanese Americans has now been added. I'm dubious about using it for someone with only distant Lebanese ancestry]].--Peter cohen (talk) 11:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Good point, Peter Cohen. I'm for its removal. No offense to Yasmina.--Abie the Fish Peddler (talk) 11:27, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I have removed it. I thought for a moment it was a fourth party involved but now I see that Yasminas user name doesnt match her sig.--Peter cohen (talk) 20:41, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

An American with Lebanese heritage is deemed a Lebanese-American what is wrong with this? ♥Yasmina♥ (talk) 19:26, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Contoversy

There has been some controversy over whether he was born in Jerusalem. Additionally, wouldn't it be more correct to say he was of mixed heritage, including Palestinian... he WAS not just Palestinian. 128.193.12.16 (talk) 03:48, 28 February 2010 (UTC) 2010/02/28

The article seems to say that his father moved to Cairo before "Edward Wadie" was born. Was the father living in Cairo while the son was born in Jerusalem or was Edward Said born in Cairo? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.39.104 (talk) 09:58, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Calling him a "Christian" or categorizing him as a "Christian'

Said was indeed born to a Christian family, but he did not believe in anything about it in his adult life. He was an agnostic in later life. He cannot be classified as a 'Christian', and he did not do that himself. 129.120.177.8 (talk) 20:29, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

See: Edward Said: Secular Protestant. By Mark Walhout. Christianity Today. Published September 1, 2001.

If a person can be a secular non-believing Jew, and gain entry to Israel based on that fact, then I think it's more than fair to foreground Said's Christianity. For one thing, the persecution of the Palestinian is the persecution by Jews of Christians, whose world was destroyed in 1948. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.202.99.16 (talk) 05:40, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Eh, written in anger? Christianity does not have an ethnic dimension in the way that Jewishness does. You'll also find that Christians, rather than being persecuted by Jews, enjoy unprecedented religious freedom in Israel - in marked contrast to their treatment in muslim-controlled countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.39.104 (talk) 10:44, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

W. J. T. Mitchell

A recent edit attempted to add W. J. T. Mitchell to the "influenced" section; I'd add it but I'm worried that would be consider original research. But for that matter, under what reasoning are all the other names there? —Soap— 23:27, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Early years

This is an inaccurate section. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias Andycarr78 (talk) 17:06, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

If you think that it is inaccurate, please detail supposed inaccuracies so that they can be studied and if necessary rectified. The link you provide is totally irrelevant. RolandR (talk) 21:03, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

This section needs serious work. It is less about Said than about a conversation about him and is generally a tough slog in terms of readability. (Clairemont (talk) 07:16, 25 August 2012 (UTC))

The material based on the Weiner polemic is totally inappropriate for that section. This section should be based on factual reports not a screed written by an ideological opponent of Said attacking his "honesty as a public intellectual". If the Weiner polemic, rebuttal and counter rebuttal is notable to the article it should be in the appropriate section - criticism. Dlv999 (talk) 14:02, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I think you should check what the what the word *polemic* means, there is nothing polemic about Weiner's comments. Also I noticed you took out the fact that Said office was in Jordan and Weiner being an Israeli was unable to interview him so he sent his assistant who is a Catholic to interview him. Why?

BernardZ (talk) 09:07, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps "diatribe" per Amos Elon or "essay of extraordinary spite and mendacity" per Christopher Hitchens would have been more apt. In any case, the claim of the alleged catholic interviewer of Said was removed because it was not sourced. If you have an RS that supports the claim you are welcome to re-add it with an appropriate inline citation. Dlv999 (talk) 09:55, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Clearly you have not even read Weiner's article, I think you will find that he is an extremely accurate.

BernardZ (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:05, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

The quote and reference refer to an interview with Robert Said, not Edward Said, the topic of this article and the person discussed in the text. (Edit summary was incomplete due to inadvertently hitting enter when typing, I also change the heading of the section per WP:NPOV) Dlv999 (talk) 14:09, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Character assassination

When Mr. Weiner resorted to personal attacks against Alon and Hitchens he demonstrated that character assassination was his purpose; therefore, the matter is moot. De mortuis nihil nisi bonum. Really, mate!

Regards,

Mhazard9 (talk) 20:07, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Character assasination redux

The Trouble with Quibbles

Edward Saïd had a human birth, not an Athenian birth, therefore, he, an infant, did not write his birth certificate, and thus did not list a Cairo residential address in that document . . . so . . . he did not lie about where his mother underwent parturition. He did attend the St George Academy of Jerusalem, whether or not he did so as either a FULL-TIME or as a PART-TIME student is a quibble especially unimportant, because other alumni recalled having seen him smoking cigarettes in the latrine. I do not know in which stall, nor do I know the brand of cigarettes; maybe it was the same brand of cigarettes as me . . . gosh, I really don't know. In the Big Picture of the things he explained, does it matter? I think not.

That Edward Saïd exaggerated was well known, that he lied, was unproved and remains unproven, yet, despite his humanity — foibles, defects, dandified grooming — the intellectual validity of his works remains faithful, true, and accurate to the facts as they exist in Palestine, Israel, the post-colonial world, and the academic world.

I respectfully recommend that you participate without an anonymous mask, show your Editorial Face, intellectual–editorial jousting is fun combat. Do not invest your emotions to the subject, choose to be dispassionate; difficult, but satisfying; stand by your contributions.

Regards,

Mhazard9 (talk) 15:37, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Controversies: Character Assassination

Referring to Justus Weiner's criticism of Said's biographical assertions as "character assasination," and attributing motivations like a "desire to undermine" Said's political activism to him are not the kind of objective journalistic tone that an encyclopedia entry should have.

Perhaps the article should have a neutrality disputed tag added?

Kamandi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.232.28.75 (talk) 01:45, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

That anyone can look at the pathetic criticism section and deem this article "neutral" is beyond laughable. Someone actually subheaded a portion of the criticism "Character assassination". Character assassination? Give me a fu**ing break. Does pointing out that Rigoberta Menchu is a liar constitute character assassination as well? Moreover, the assertion that a particular subject is "moot", as stated by another commenter, because Christopher Hitchens says Weiner committed character assassination is, in a word, ludicrous. Who knew that the word of Christopher Hitchens was infallible; he must have been some sort of secular pope. Pointing out that Said manufactured some parts of his biography, a fact disputed only by his most worshipful sycophants, is not character assassination designed to "undermine" Said. Chalk this entry up as another hopelessly biased piece of garbage that renders Misplaced Pages completely irrelevant and worthless as a reference.

Almost as bad as the asinine "Character Assassination" subheading is the hilariously venerational "The intellectual in action" subheading in another section of this "encyclopedic" entry. Perhaps next to that section the editor can include a photo of the Edward Said shrine he maintains at his(the editor's) house.74.138.43.60 (talk) 01:34, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

While I indeed cannot think highly of Weiner's criticism (at least based on what I heard and read so far), WP cannot and should not take sides but report: 1. what the criticism is, 2. what responses it got (i.e. reporting counter-criticism without endorsing them), 3. what the original critic said to that, and 4. what the subject said about it. I have changed that section accordingly.

What the section (and the entire article) does not need is endorsing headlines or sub-headlines, constant eulogising of the subject and repetitive bloomers (the section had Said's "integrity and intellectual honesty impugned" three times.

Str1977 19:48, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Mariam Saïd (née Cortas)

Currently, the name "Mariam Saïd (née Cortas)" appears twice: both as Said's mother and as his wife/widow. Is this a strange coincidence or is one of the names wrong? Str1977 19:48, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

further reading

Hi, the 'further reading' section has got a lot shorter from March 13 onwards. Why? U.K.L. — Preceding unsigned comment added by UKLonWikiLa (talk • contribs) 15:38, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Whitewash of Edward Said

This article is such an extreme whitewash of Edward Said that it reads like a paraody. Even the section supposedly offering an alternative point of view ("Personal Criticism") is not an attack upon Said - it is an attack (in absurd language) upon the critics of Edward Sard.

Edward Said was a liar. He lied about "orientalism" - pretending that "orientalists" were terrible Western attackers of oriental cultures, when they actually were defenders of these cultures as worthy of study. And Edward Said lied about his own life - pretending that his family were persecuted by Jews when they were acutally persecuted by Egyption Muslims.

Edward Said's life (his role in the cultrual Marxist project of "anti Imperialism", his connection to Barack Obama and....) could be an interesting subject for an article. But I do not expect to see such a factual article in the establishment leftist environment that is Misplaced Pages.90.217.1.220 (talk) 11:18, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I agree with this, it a big problem with the[REDACTED] in general. BernardZ (talk) 03:25, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Said/Saïd

Does anyone have any sources at all that would support spelling Said's name "Saïd"? I've never seen this orthography used on a single work by Said; unless there is a good reason to do otherwise, these should be changed back to "Said" throughout this article. Sindinero (talk) 18:06, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Response:

The spelling of the man's name is such.

Regards,

Mhazard9 (talk) 21:44, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that? If not, it needs to be changed back. I've read several of Said's works, and not a single copy I've ever seen has that spelling. Best, Sindinero (talk) 01:46, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

After waiting a full week, I've changed the spelling of his name back to "Said" throughout. In the interests of the best possible faith, I did searches (MLA bibliography search, google scholar, amazon.com), and from everything I can tell, his name is never spelled "Saïd". His own books don't use that diacritical mark, nor do, apparently, any articles or works about him. Sindinero (talk) 20:26, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

1. LA Jews For Peace, The Question of Palestine by Edward Said. (1997) Books on the Israel-Palestinian Conflict - Annotated Bibliography, accessed 3 January 2010.
2. Dr. Farooq, Study Resource Page, Global Web Post, accessed on 3 January 2010.
3. Columbia University Press, About the Author, Humanism and Democratic Criticism, 2004.
4. ^ The Nation, "Edward W. Said." Thenation.com. Accessed 5 January 2010.
5. London Review of Books, "Edward Said." Lrb.org. 2003. Accessed 5 January 2010.
6. Le Monde Diplomatique, "Edward W. Said." Dossier. Monde-diplomatique.fr. Accessed 5 January 2010.
7. CounterPunch, "CounterPunch Archives." Counterpunch.org. Accessed 5 January 2010.
8. Al Ahram, "The death of Edward Said." Ahram.org. 2003. Accessed 5 January 2010.
9. LA Jews For Peace, The Question of Palestine by Edward Said. (1997) Books on the Israel-Palestinian Conflict - Annotated Bibliography, accessed 3 January 2010.
10. Moustafa Bayoumi and Andrew Rubin, eds., The Edward Said Reader, Vintage, 2000, pp. xv.
11. Michael Wood, Introduction to On Late Style by Edward Said, Pantheon Books, 2006: p. xvi.

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