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	Ancient Anatolia is not Turkey. Neither is the Byzantine Empire. Turkey is a continuation of the Ottoman Empire and therefore those two may stay. I propose deleting anything before that. ] (]) 03:27, 2 June 2013 (UTC)		Ancient Anatolia is not Turkey. Neither is the Byzantine Empire. Turkey is a continuation of the Ottoman Empire and therefore those two may stay. I propose deleting anything before that. ] (]) 03:27, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

			Byzantines were the predecessor of the Ottomans and so was Ancient Anatolia of Byzantines. But are you trying to say that only massacres comitted by Turks may stay and everything except Armenian Genocide should be deleted?] (]) 18:50, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

	:I agree. Also, I would like this to be added back to the article, since it occurred within the ]. The lead sentence needs to read, "''The following is a list of massacres that have occurred in the ] and its predecessor, the ].''". --] (]) 05:07, 2 June 2013 (UTC)		:I agree. Also, I would like this to be added back to the article, since it occurred within the ]. The lead sentence needs to read, "''The following is a list of massacres that have occurred in the ] and its predecessor, the ].''". --] (]) 05:07, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
	:More nonsense. Dragon Tiger has now added a battle(]) with a "source" from a Nigerian linguist, Dr. Chris Uchenna Agbedo, who has no qualifications as a historian. This article has become a ] for DragonTiger to label any conflict(anachronistically) as a massacre. --] (]) 17:53, 8 June 2013 (UTC)		:More nonsense. Dragon Tiger has now added a battle(]) with a "source" from a Nigerian linguist, Dr. Chris Uchenna Agbedo, who has no qualifications as a historian. This article has become a ] for DragonTiger to label any conflict(anachronistically) as a massacre. --] (]) 17:53, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
	:Removed Fall of Smyrna, since Phil Mundt is a retired geologist, not a historian and the Byzantine Empire is not "Turkey". --] (]) 18:05, 8 June 2013 (UTC)		:Removed Fall of Smyrna, since Phil Mundt is a retired geologist, not a historian and the Byzantine Empire is not "Turkey". --] (]) 18:05, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

			The article states: "The following is a list of massacres that have occurred '''in Turkey and its predecessors''' (numbers may be approximate, as estimates vary greatly)".

			It is really funny, how you are now discrediting the source, it is always the same behavior when ].
			That source is used in the ] article to "prove" that Seljuk Turks ethnically cleansed Greeks. Are you now going to say the same things there and remove it, I don't think so. Besides you did not have to critisize the source, because more sources describe the massacre of Levounion. It is more detailed in its own article ].

			All these massacres happened in the area of modern Turkey, they are relevant why should it be removed? Lumping Ottoman massacres in the area of modern Turkey together with Modern Turkey is not necessary, than we should better create ].] (]) 18:50, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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Ancient Anatolia? Byzantine empire? Not relevant to Turkey...

Ancient Anatolia is not Turkey. Neither is the Byzantine Empire. Turkey is a continuation of the Ottoman Empire and therefore those two may stay. I propose deleting anything before that. Proudbolsahye (talk) 03:27, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Byzantines were the predecessor of the Ottomans and so was Ancient Anatolia of Byzantines. But are you trying to say that only massacres comitted by Turks may stay and everything except Armenian Genocide should be deleted?DragonTiger23 (talk) 18:50, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I agree. Also, I would like this to be added back to the article, since it occurred within the Ottoman Empire. The lead sentence needs to read, "The following is a list of massacres that have occurred in the Republic of Turkey and its predecessor, the Ottoman Empire.". --Kansas Bear (talk) 05:07, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

More nonsense. Dragon Tiger has now added a battle(Battle of Levounion) with a "source" from a Nigerian linguist, Dr. Chris Uchenna Agbedo, who has no qualifications as a historian. This article has become a coatrack for DragonTiger to label any conflict(anachronistically) as a massacre. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:53, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Removed Fall of Smyrna, since Phil Mundt is a retired geologist, not a historian and the Byzantine Empire is not "Turkey". --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:05, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

The article states: "The following is a list of massacres that have occurred in Turkey and its predecessors (numbers may be approximate, as estimates vary greatly)".

It is really funny, how you are now discrediting the source, it is always the same behavior when WP:JDLI. That source is used in the Ethnic Cleansing article to "prove" that Seljuk Turks ethnically cleansed Greeks. Are you now going to say the same things there and remove it, I don't think so. Besides you did not have to critisize the source, because more sources describe the massacre of Levounion. It is more detailed in its own article Battle of Levounion.

All these massacres happened in the area of modern Turkey, they are relevant why should it be removed? Lumping Ottoman massacres in the area of modern Turkey together with Modern Turkey is not necessary, than we should better create List of Massacres in the Ottoman Empire.DragonTiger23 (talk) 18:50, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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