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Preparing to watch the movie .!.

I'm deciding to be a FAN of the genre, the movie, and this excellent WP page. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 04:34, 12 December 2011 (UTC) . . . PS: Count down: 3 days.

The music is fantastic (to fans). http://sherlockholmes2.warnerbros.com/app#page=soundtrack . . . Also, watch the trailers (3) and the TV ad. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 04:36, 12 December 2011 (UTC) . . . See you in the theatre.

The release of the CD of the soundtrack is today. Someone did a great job in the Article listing the 18 songs performed for the movie, and explaining the additional three songs which you can download upon purchase of the CD. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 23:01, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

I also love the music. Particularly liked the clicking theme that echoed the telegraph keys - very similar to the Big Ben motif used in the first film. 02:50, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Me and other editors were involved with that. You are welcome too definitely with the critical reception almost ready. Also the talk page is for the benefit of the article per WP:Notaforum. I appreciate the compliments of the article and work and I hope you enjoy the movie once it comes out. ;) Jhenderson 18:39, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Question: During the exchange between Adler and the business man in the auction, they talk about the letter. She is delivering a box that is supposed to have money in it, but actually has a bomb. I clearly remember the businessman mentioning something about the being for the sister of a person who did the work. Another editor said the letter was for Moriarty. I haven't seen the film a second time. I'm guessing the payment was for a bomb (not the one delivered), the killed businessman was the connection between the bombmaker and Moriarity, and the note was for the sister. Adler is supposed to report to Moriarty that the bomb was delivered and hand over the letter, which Moriarty knows about because Adler and the businessman were watched by another assassin. That letter is what leads Holmes to Sim. Not having the letter is what slows Moriarty down so Sims isn't killed by the time Holmes got there. BUT I don't remember all the details. Did anyone else catch them? This should be clarified in the piece because it is actually a very pivotal detail. 02:50, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

The "businessman" who is killed is the doctor that performed the facial surgeries, which is what he's being paid/killed for. The letter was written by the brother to the sister but was being delivered by the doctor to Moriarity (via Irene), as evidence that the brother was possibly giving information to the sister (either deliberately or not). It's not actually said, but presumably the brother slipped the note to the doctor thinking he could trust him to deliver it to the sister, and he was instead giving it to Moriarity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.60.33 (talk) 22:50, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Lil 'elp over here

We could use a new poster picture - since it was delayed to early this year, and the poster on the page stills says December the 16th. 138.217.108.19 (talk) 11:04, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Where do you live? Because I watched it in December. --Boycool (talk) 13:00, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Minor error in singing?

Having just seen the movie, I am reasonably sure Moriarty gets his German slightly wrong. When singing "Die Forelle", I think he sung "Vorüber wie une Pfeil." rather than "Vorüber wie ein Pfeil.". Someone else should check this. This fact may not really be sufficiently notable for inclusion anyway! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.171.29 (talk) 00:28, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Stop saying "generally mixed"!

K guys, I already said something about this in the first movie's talk page. "Generally mixed" is nonsense, it's a ridiculous phrase that seems to be used in almost every place possible in a wikipedia article and it needs to end. But besides that saying "mostly mixed" or something like that is equally nonsensical. Saying "generally mixed to positive reviews" makes it seem like in order for something to be mixed it has to about equal shares of positive and negative reviews. No. "Mixed" refers to the degree of heterogeneity between components in a mixture, not the ratios of their total composition. Unless 100% of the reviews are either positive or negative, the reviews are mixed, ok? If a salad has one crouton in it, it's mixed. If it has a thousand croutons, it's still mixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.100.107.104 (talk) 06:36, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

"Mixed" can refer to the contents of a single review. It is therefore reasonable to say "mixed to positive". WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 19:01, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Historical Inaccuracies?

This is a 'period film', so perhaps some historical errors are worthy of mention. I found nothing wrong with the scenery within (e.g. : Sacré Coeur was still under construction, the Eiffel Tower had just been built), but this article did find more than a few errors concerning inventions and medical discoveries, a subject not at all my specialty. I can look it up, but if someone more knowledgeable can add their (less effortful) two cents, that would be great. Best, THEPROMENADER 22:19, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay, point taken. I was going to add more inaccuracies as I found them. Dr. Watson's mention of repressed memory five years before the concept was brain childed, as well as the type of machine guns that I know for certain did not exist in 1891, were extremely noteworthy to me. The webpage you listed makes no mention of them- but it does mention the obvious fault of the train scene, as to where Holmes times when to push Mary off the train- unless a train runs on a balanced source of energy such as electricity, the train will not move and arrive at it's destination to the second (or minute). The coal fires on the train cannot always burn at the same tempurate, so therefor it would have been impossible for a train to remain at the same speed throughout a trip. - Mdriver1981 (talk) 00:05, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I spotted the wrong German flags right away, found the reference to chest compression highly dubious, and saw these two inconsistencies coupled with some German spelling errors (which are a real pity, since they put so much effort into the neat, contemporary blackletter fonts):

When Holmes orders Watson to pay a visit to the German telegraph office, what it reads on the wall is Post und Telegraphenamt. While someone with minor to intermediate knowledge of German may interpret the Post in there as a fully independent noun, a native German, particularly in the Victorian era, would've added a hyphen to make Post- und Telegraphenamt (acknowledging especially in conjunction with Telegraphenamt that Post is really only a shorthand for Postamt).

Whereas the former may be excused as a neglect made by a non-native speaker, in the same shot (and another shot later), we see a smaller sign above the door which reads Telegrafenamt, the alternate f spelling of which, beside deviating from what we see right behind on the wall in the very same shot(!), is highly anachronistic especially for the 19th century and only became officially tolerated by the 1996 spelling reform, which is more than a hundred years after the film's plot.

And finally, as common a mistake by non-natives as the anachronistic flags, almost all German compound nouns (beside the Telegraphenamt mentioned above) in the movie are spelled just like in English, with blanks between every single element of the compound word, instead of using hyphens, or, even more native to German, spell them as just one word altogether, with no blanks or hyphens. --79.193.36.127 (talk) 10:33, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Inaccuracies, bloopers, or other such trivia, unless pointed out by reliable sources, are not appropriate for inclusion, per WP:TRIVIA. These can tend to edge on original research and hence why they are strongly discouraged. --MASEM (t) 13:19, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, fact is Strasbourg was NOT French in 1891, but German. And movies are supposed to teach us anything ??

This is not a historical documentary and does not at all pretend to be a realistic film. It isn't Saving Private Ryan.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 13:59, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Also, Moran (I believe) makes a big deal of showing Molmes the new Mauser C96 pistols before Holmes is captured and interrogated. However, the movie is set in 1891, and said Mauser pistols were not even in development until 1893 or 1894, and were not in production until 1896, as the name suggests. 141.219.219.120 (talk) 23:50, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Let's point out other anachronisms. Though "Brass Era" automobiles date from 1898, it's not clear whether any would have been available in England in 1891. "Loudspeakers" for phonographs did not exist. ("Compressed air" speakers -- such as the Auxetophone -- came in about 10 years later.) Dr Watson bangs Holmes' chest to revive him (unlikely) and even applies CPR (sans the P) (even more unlikely). The references to contact lenses and plastic surgery are plausible. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 19:12, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Would be nice to know the actors salaries in this film

I think it should be posted on the article on how much the salaries the actors got? $125 million is a lot of money, how much of it was on actor salaries, should be on the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.185.87.60 (talk) 20:47, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

I fully agree, the actors salaries are important and are part of the article, since their is a budget they should be published as well. Good idea, thanks--184.75.218.126 (talk) 06:43, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

I put an undo when another user said do we need this? I put it is relevant as the budget is on the right side this will give an idea where some of the money was spent. Actors do have a lot of the budget. Good suggestion.--184.107.21.139 (talk) 05:46, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, how is this anything other than WP:TRIVIA? DonIago (talk) 18:39, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

I concur, post the salaries in the article, sources are attached on verification; this is no trivia. When the film cost XYZ and salaries cost XYZ then the, you have a film and a budget to make that film. Robert Downy Jr, Jude Law and etc, took a huge chuck of the budget. In fact they're starting paid after 2 years by getting royalties and the rest of the cast. Leave the salary information in or we take out the budget out of the article then. That said, leave it in. --119.81.6.218 (talk) 08:32, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Replied at new thread below. Short answer - we need evidence that the salaries for this film are somehow significant compared to the salaries actors have been paid for other films. DonIago (talk) 13:26, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

There seems to be an edit war with user DonIago; but upon looking into the history with the salaries the original editor placed the sources in 2012 last year. It appears there was no dispute on this issue until now. I am filing a block on DonIago for edit abuse as it appears he is in anger over salary information. Who in what mind would not want to see a salary over what they made? Beats me but I support the information on there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.212.85.176 (talk) 19:05, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

IP, I agree. And just to add to what seems to be a consensus, I support the many IP users that have now commented on the edit in question. Information regarding salary is absolutely not WP:TRIVIA and has an integral place in this article. I see salary-based information in articles of this nature all the time and believe the "WP:trivia" argument to be wholly pointless. User talk:82.212.85.176 is also correct in that there seems to be inappropriate edit warring going on at this article by user Doniago as shown here , here , here , here , here. This is clearly a violation of the 3RR by Doniago. It also looks as though 82.212.85.176 tried giving a warning to the user but this did no good and his efforts were all removed: , , , . AmericanDad86 (talk) 08:09, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Respirator suit in 1:17:30

Yet another question about accuracy At the time frame above Holmes is passing by a full respirator suit. 1) is it a respirator suit? 2) if it is, wouldn't that be not that advanced until WW II or after?

Just a question...I find that people seeing such inaccuracies pretty fun. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sabinal (talk • contribs) 03:02, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Actor Salaries need to be in article

The film budget has a lot to do with the actor salaries in the film, it is really the whole budget when you do the math of actors getting millions of dollars and the cost of the rest of the film to make it. About 38% of Sherlock Holmes Game of Shadows budget went into the actor's salaries, so with that fact, actor salaries need to be published on here.--119.81.6.218 (talk) 08:22, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

How is it specifically significant to this film? Actors' salaries are a part of every film's budget. Has any third-party source discussed these salaries? DonIago (talk) 13:24, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

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