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| == Yopie == | |||
| '''Initiated by ''' ] (]) '''at''' 00:37, 26 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| === Involved parties === | |||
| <!-- use {{admin|username}} if the party is an administrator --> | |||
| *{{userlinks|ItsAlwaysLupus}}, ''filing party'' | |||
| *{{userlinks|Yopie}} | |||
| <!-- The editor filing the case should be included as a party for purposes of notifications. --> | |||
| ;Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request | |||
| <!-- All parties must be notified that the request has been filed, immediately after it is posted, and confirmation posted here. --> | |||
| * {{Yellow tick}} | |||
| ;Confirmation that other steps in ] have been tried | |||
| <!-- Identify prior attempts at dispute resolution here, with links/diffs to the page where the resolution took place. If prior dispute resolution has not been attempted, the reasons for this should be explained in the request for arbitration --> | |||
| *http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive625#Yopie_is_the_undaunted_wikistalker | |||
| *http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive642#Yopie_and_his_rollback_right | |||
| === Statement by ItsAlwaysLupus === | |||
| I feel appalled at the disruptive behavior of User:Yopie whom I perceive as a person with personality and ethic issues. His repugnant, borderline racist behavior came to my attention after having to deal with him myself due to a dispute of me on prejudice against Hungarian people. As a minority person (actually a double minority, to coin such term ad-hoc) based in the Czech Republic it is extremely important for me that Misplaced Pages had an coverage on this topic because that is something I have to deal with in my everyday life on a regular basis but anyhow let's get back to what's really important in here, him, the User Yopie. He's seen engaged in variety of disputes, ranging from stalking the users (reported behavior by multiple witnesses), blanking the pages, to removing the user-warning templates (reported behavior by multiple witnesses), that he either fueled or initially started and for this he was for "tendentious edit warring" by ] (2009-03-01), followed by "Violation of the three-revert rule: ]" by ] and last but not least, "Edit warring: edit wars across '''multiple articles'''" by ]. Despite him joining Misplaced Pages on he only got himself to make '''''' articles which is not exactly Hall of Fame many, and even a single-purpose spam account is expected to make more (which I originally perceived him to be one). He was approved of his Rollback user rights on and abused this privilege ever since. In the user's history, ANI and sysop-imposed blocks for disruptive behavior on Yupie had absolutely no effect on him whatsoever; he did not take the time to change his ways at all. | |||
| In conclusion, his only intention here is to cause disruption between the users, and the nations, he doesn't care about Misplaced Pages, he is a <small>''(content removed on behalf of some people, --] (]) 06:20, 29 June 2013 (UTC)'')</small> (). He is the complete disruptive machine that must be stopped this instant because we have got the reputation of Misplaced Pages to protect and if he is incapable of complying with its rules due to language barriers and whatnot then it's our duty as Misplaced Pages Community members to helpfully show him the way to Czech Misplaced Pages or any place that is in his native language for either party's mental easement. At this point, I think he should be banned from English Misplaced Pages indefinitely. ] (]) 01:31, 26 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| Let's get some hard facts to knock you over with: | |||
| <small>''(to further illustrate the point I even included snapshots of his quintessential behavior in his native Misplaced Pages habitat)''</small> | |||
| ====]==== | |||
| *'''Inappropriate behavior (Stalking)''' — ''Yopie's following, hounding (formerly known as wikistalking) of other editors can be well documented. --Hobartimus (talk) 18:12, 19 November 2009 (UTC)'' + | |||
| *'''Inappropriate behavior (Uncivil actions, fiddling with Users' userpage)''' — ''I have asked Yopie to explain his use of the template - as should be a requirement at any time - I would like to "hear it" from Yopie's mouth. His failure to reply was needlessly inflammatory. Law Lord should know that any editor may recieve a template warning - "Don't Template the Regulars" is an essay - I prefer "Do Template the Regulars". Removing his template from your talkpage as "harassment" was not likely wise, as it escalates a situation needlessly. '(talk→ BWilkins ←track) 13:30, 2 July 2009 (UTC)'' + , etc | |||
| *'''Abuse''' , etc | |||
| ***'''Limited English skills''' prevents the user of properly functioning on English Misplaced Pages which makes it super difficult to establish any communication with him at all | |||
| *'''Disruptive editing''' (mostly Hungary related): | | | , etc | |||
| ====]==== | |||
| (you might want to consider an auto translate machine to use for further verification): 3RR-related disputes , homophobia-laden decisions as a member of Czech arbcom + , open verbal attacks on a Sudeten German user | |||
| ----- | |||
| *'''@Bbb23''' Uhm, it says "You do not have permission to do that, for the following reason: Your account does not have permission to add or remove user rights."? ] (]) 00:00, 27 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| *'''@Treidoiunu''' A "couple" of warnings? More like an ocean of criticism of his misuse deserving an honor place in the Misplaced Pages Records (in spirit of the Guinness World Records). Keep in mind Yopie deliberately ignores and removes any post on his talk page criticizing his inappropriate actions making it virtually impossible to deal with him the regular orderly way, and I quote the admin who previously banned him, ''You have reverted a total of 7 times over the course of several days, '''with no apparent attempts to discuss the situation with the IP''' (Either on the article, or on their talk pages).'' (]/2010-09-21), in other words he sends mixed signals to users basically saying 'you talking to me? !' ] (]) 00:00, 27 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| *'''@Sandstein''' The end does justify the means. A subject is entitled to have an opinion no matter how tact-deficient, communally improper or crude it may appear to others and how emotionally badly others handle it specially when no harm was intended at all but I do reserve the sole right to present my POV opinion on the user here in its original, unaltered format barely shadowed with a false pretense of not being grossed out by Yopie's ruthless actions and wrongdoings, without predicatively riding the ad hominem chariot down the valley. No personal feelings involved & no harm intended, surely not on my behalf and I urge you to take that accusation back because it's untrue and you should just get back to blocking Yopie or something because that guy's got some serious issues, evidently. That's just my two cents here. Also if you must, '''ban me indefinitely as well ''' (let's call it a personal attack, others will understand) when it's for the common good of Misplaced Pages and if that means not sharing the same space with racist people like Yopie yapping around and deliberately causing havoc among the Eastern European users. ] (]) 00:00, 27 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| === Statement by Yopie === | |||
| ==== Procedural notes ==== | |||
| * According to ] arbitration is last resort to resolve the dispute and accuser must show that he tried to resolve the dispute by other means. ItsAlwaysLupus proved nothing about ''his'' previous attempts to resolve dispute peacefully. So-called "other steps" are nearly 3 years old and were initiated by ] (11 times blocked user ), not by ItsAlwaysLupus. Of course, if Nmate is same person as accuser, this might be interesting case of sockpuppeting. | |||
| *My behaviour in Czech Misplaced Pages is out of scope of EN ArbComm. | |||
| * As far as I know, my only dispute with accuser is over the content of an article ] and only communication I have with him is about content and existence of this (two times deleted) article. | |||
| ==== Plot ==== | |||
| * I came to contact with accuser 22.6.2013 in the article ], as he re-created previously deleted article and I reverted it with comment ''AfD decision''. Accuser reverted my revert next day, without any comment. Again (I know this is a little bit warring, sorry for it) I reverted him 24.6.2013 with comment ''rv recreation of deleted article'', but he reverted me and that is all. | |||
| I ceased from dispute. Two reverts in 3 days. | |||
| In my talk page he bullied me with words ''A reaction like this in the future will be constituted as an act of spamming (shamelessly blanking the page with no logical reason previously stated) and subject to Administrator's noticeboard candidate.'' Maybe my English is not sufficient for understanding, why is redirecting called "sending unsolicited bulk messages", but I replied ''Read talk page of this article and AfD's. You recreated previously deleted and redirected article.'' | |||
| After this in my talk page wrote ] that the new article is better than previous deleted version and that we can consider ]. Accuser replied with factual and consensual reply (and standard 3RR warning). As I understand from his ], he agreed with ] proposal about user subpage and for me is this best solution, as we can reach consensus. | |||
| From this point of view, for me is really surprise this arbitration as I´m not in dispute with him. | |||
| ==== At "evidence" ==== | |||
| * All evidence is 6 - 3 years old, not from my interaction with accuser and was solved. His accusation is full of rude words as racist, homophob, clueless idiot etc., but even arbitration request can be in civil manner. In this stage is unnecessary to reply for every piece, but I reserve right to reply in future. | |||
| ==== Some speculations ==== | |||
| * Ad can be seen above, my only known contact with accuser is normal content dispute. But in 26.6.2013 something happens and ItsAlwaysLupus filled this arbitration. | |||
| As he himself say, he is living in Czech Republic and as can be seen from his Czech "evidence", he understand Czech.Probably he is user in CS wiki. | |||
| In 25.6.2013 was announced that I was re-elected to CS ArbComm with votes 23:2:3. As every arbiter know, arbitration is not popular among users and every decision can leave some users unsatisfied. I was arbiter for four years and some arbitrations were nasty, you know. | |||
| Accuser accused me with wrongdoing in one case and this can be real reason for this arbitration. Maybe he was losing in some case, maybe he was friend or supporter of someone losing, I don't know. But what can be next? This arbitration will go and someone will say in CS wiki "hey, Yopie is defendant in EN arbitration and I want other vote for CS ArbComm". Nothing nice for me and for community. | |||
| This is only my personal speculation, as now I don't have evidence for it, but if necessary, I will ask check-user. | |||
| Note: Without accuser mentioned this, I will say here nothing about my membership in the ArbComm, so please treat me as regular. I never used it in any dispute, anywhere and I feel unhappy, that I must say it here. Thank you for understanding. | |||
| ==== Conclusion ==== | |||
| * Arbitration is last resort and matters should not be referred to arbitration when a lesser step will be sufficient, accuser don't tried RfC, mediation or Administrators noticeboard. | |||
| *I´m not in dispute with accuser, and he feels it, it is normal content dispute. | |||
| *Evidence is outdated, incorrect and without any connection to accuser. | |||
| *'''My plea is, that this request will be declined.'''--] (]) 01:06, 27 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| === Statement by Rschen7754 === | |||
| The Czech Misplaced Pages is outside the scope of the Arbitration Committee, though evidence from there may possibly be taken into account when determining actions to take here, under limited circumstances. --''']]]''' 09:21, 27 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :Also puzzled, as apparently this editor was, and still is, a member of the Czech Misplaced Pages's ArbCom starting in 2011 and extending into 2014: ]. --''']]]''' 01:45, 26 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| === Statement by Bbb23 === | |||
| Just passing through. I don't know either party. One of my comments is not particularly significant, and the other is not worth really mentioning, but as long as I'm here ... | |||
| Yopie was granted rollback rights on June 16, 2010, but they were on October 4, 2010, so they didn't get an opportunity to "abuse" them for very long. @NW, you're missing a closing parenthesis.--] (]) 03:57, 26 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| === Statement by Treidoiunu === | |||
| I am surprised that ] brings as evidential diffs for vandalism accusations a couple of warnings given by ordinary uses (including an assertion made by a sockpuppet of a banned user), whose rightness is questionable, instead of offering article editing diffs or at least admin warnings. For instance the "vandalism in the Hungarian-related articles" is supported by a warning issued by an IP sock of the banned user Stubes99: which in fact targets a content dispute, | |||
| noway a vandalism (apparently the edit referred by Stubes99 is ) | |||
| Another remark of mine is that the so-called is in fact a complaint against ], where Yopie is mentioned only collaterally (he is not the accused party) | |||
| ] (]) 05:45, 26 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| === Comment by Mathsci=== | |||
| The account {{checkuser|1=Treidoiunu}} was created one week ago and had made 22 edits before commenting here. The account does not seem to be a new user: there is an awareness of how to tag user pages as suspected sockpuppets. the user page of an account whose sole edit was reverted by {{userlink|Iadrian yu}}; an awareness of who the puppeteer might be (Stubes99); the knowledge of how to find this part of project space; a knowledge of warning templates; and a knowledge of ]. They made an edit already on one of the articles mentioned here, changing it to a redirect and showing awareness of an AfD from 2011 in the edit summary. Please could the details of this account be checked? Thanks, ] (]) 06:19, 26 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :Now indefinitely CU-blocked as a sockpuppet by Timotheus Canens. ] (]) 20:35, 26 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| === Comment by Sandstein === | |||
| Without having read the request in any detail: The parties may not be aware that there is a special mechanism to mitigate disruptive behavior related to Eastern Europe. It is described at ] and ]. If this matter does concern Eastern Europe, I recommend that somebody issue the appropriate warnings (per ]) to the appropriate users. This probably includes ItsAlwaysLupus, whose statements here ("he is a racist nationalist", "This all resembles a clueless idiot or a conniving troll") I consider ] no matter what the circumstances may be. Future misconduct can then be sanctioned via ]. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 14:21, 26 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| === Comment by Volunteer Marek === | |||
| Bogus request. There might be some sketchy stuff going on here but it's pretty obviously from the filer not the filed-upon. Some of the diffs provided are from... 2005? | |||
| This is interesting but mostly for this reason , which is a matter for CUs not ArbCom. | |||
| It's also about the most personal-attack laden RFA I've seen in awhile. Sandstein's right - deal with it at AE where the filer'd probably get boomeranged a bit.<span style="color:Blue">]</span><span style="color:Orange">]</span> 01:36, 27 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| === Comment by Bwilkins === | |||
| There's no way in a load of dingoes kidneys that this belongs anywhere close to ArbCom. There's a billion other routes to take, some of them will involve boomerangs - a clear case of one finger pointing forward and 4 pointing back (]<span style="font-family:Forte;color:black">]</span>]) 21:54, 27 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| === Clerk notes === | |||
| :''This area is used for notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals).'' | |||
| === Yopie: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <0/8/0/0> === | |||
| {{anchor|1=Yopie: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter}}<small>Vote key: (Accept/decline/recuse/other)</small> | |||
| *'''Decline'''. My impression is that the two parties recently got into a content dispute, as to which there has been no apparent effort at prior dispute resolution at all, and that ItsAlwaysLupus proceeded to dig through Yopie's contribution history on two wikis and compiled a list of every wrong or debatable move that Yopie ever made. Many of the diffs are ancient by wiki standards, and some of the allegations are not readily understandable. Contributions to Czech Misplaced Pages (like any other website) are outside our purview absent extraordinary circumstances, plus they are written in Czech, and we certainly cannot act against an arbitrator on another project for the content of their arbitration decisions (although I will admit I hadn't been aware that Cz had an ArbCom). The framing of the request for arbitration goes well beyond the tone of criticism that is appropriate even on an arbitration page, and by itself might be grounds for blocking. ] (]) 01:51, 27 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| *This is an interesting case and I potentially see a place for us to get involved, but my initial reading is that it might be a little too soon for that; that an administrator's noticeboard thread might be able to handle things more...quickly <small>(I almost said "effectively" before checking myself.)</small> But I'm going to await further statements on this one, especially from Yopie. '''<font color="navy">]</font>''' ''(<font color="green">]</font>)'' 03:00, 26 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| **'''Decline'''; I think I was entirely wrong in my earlier statement. '''<font color="navy">]</font>''' ''(<font color="green">]</font>)'' 15:48, 27 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Decline.''' Utterly unjustified arbitration request. ] ]] 08:57, 27 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Decline''' and refer to AE. ] (]) 12:33, 27 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| **'''Comment.''' I must inquire you of this AE you speak of? ] (]) 06:20, 29 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Decline''' for ArbCom, though there appear to be issues that could be looked into by admins, particularly those with some knowledge of editing on Hungarian matters. Meanwhile, I have given ItsAlwaysLupus a caution for the abusive personal comments, and advised them to amend their statement - which I hope they will do promptly. This should not prevent anyone else blocking him for those comments if they feel it's appropriate. Certainly, if he makes further comments along those lines anywhere on Misplaced Pages, I wont hesitate to block him. ''']''' ''']''' 15:19, 27 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Decline'''. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> ''']'''</span> ] 21:47, 27 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Decline'''. <font color="#cc6600">]</font><sup><small>(<font color="#ff6600">]</font>)</small></sup> 18:05, 28 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Decline''': ] <sup>]</sup> 06:35, 29 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Decline'''. ] (]) 20:52, 29 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
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