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== The STOPhaus Movement Claims that WP Community is Purposefully Maintaining Libel == | |||
You may or may not be aware that there has been an ongoing feud between an anti-spam organization known as The Spamhaus Project and an anti-censorship collective known as The STOPhaus Movement. This has spilled over into Misplaced Pages community due to a largely biased and one-sided section on a page that seems to be gvery one-sided altogether. The Spamhaus Project has a page on Misplaced Pages and on that page there is a discussion concerning STOPhaus and their involvement in the "Largest DDoS Attack in History" as NYT so sensationally called it. | |||
The NYT journalist, Nicole Perlroth and John Markoff were fed the content by Cloudflare, a DDoS mitigation company working alongside The Spamhaus Project. The Misplaced Pages article reflects on allegations against The STOPhaus Movement and even goes as far as to use a quote calling us "spam and malware hosters", "criminals" and various other libelous claims. We, if there is a "we" are a group of people, users, ISPs, and various anonymous supporters that believe that Spamhaus are over-aggressive in their means to the point it is, or should be, illegal. The debate is whether or not they are, in fact, criminal in their actions. | |||
I am reaching out on the behalf of The STOPhaus Movement to suggest that your editors allow the inclusion of the allegations against Spamhaus, made by STOPhaus or the removal of any reference to STOPhaus from The Spamhaus Page. Maintaining what we are calling libel without moral or reasonable grounds to do so appears to be malicious propaganda and is being received as such. Congratulations on your new life, but you should understand first hand, how a NYT inaccuracy becomes a PR nightmare and Wikimedia Foundation Inc. should not promote the libelous abuse of any group of people. | |||
Especially since the largest STOPhaus support comes from your hometown and a recently formed Political Party in Pinellas County support TSM. Seems you should be a proponent for the whole truth and nothing but the truth, bring a Floridian. Maybe London has already gotten to you though, who knows? |
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List of guinea pig breeds
Hello, on the list of guinea pig breeds I was wondering if you could add some more information onto the Silkie/Sheltie bit, as I would like to know about them. Thank you Lusa bear (talk) 17:47, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
- Hello. :) I think guinea pigs are adorable, but I'm afraid I really don't have any information about them to add to the article. Are you new? Maybe you would like to visit Misplaced Pages:Tea house or Misplaced Pages:Adopt-a-user. There are a lot of nice people on Misplaced Pages who might be able to help show you the ropes. --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 16:36, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Ok, thank you for your help. Lusa bear (talk) 18:50, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
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Watchlist Proposal
Hello, I have left a proposal for a short message to placed on everyone's watchlist next week here. Seeing that you comment on the most recent proposal I thought it would be a good idea let you know about my request. Thanks!--Dom497 (talk) 00:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
WMF decision
Hi again. Did the WMF decide if we could host an image from one of the four FOP countries in List of Academy Award trophies on public display? If so we should probably delete File:Oscar statuette.jpg because it is possible to host a free licence image.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:52, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
- Hi. :) The intern finished the research, but I'm afraid it is still waiting for final attorney review. :/ The attorneys have been extremely tied up in part with trademark issues. I've prompted and hope to have something published within a few days. --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 19:11, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you and relay thanks to them as well. I just uploaded File:ACMI 14.jpg that is on permanent display in Australia that we could replace File:Oscar statuette.jpg with and any other fair use ones in other projects. We can't use File:Oscar for Best Supporting Actress for The Diary of Anne Frank in 1960.jpg and it should probably be deleted because Netherlands exempts FOP for museums.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:47, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
It's a holiday!
Hi Maggie, I've been watching your valiant and always nice replies on the feedback page and just wanted to drop you a note. I meant to stop by last night, but didn't get to it. I'm sorry to see you working today and hope you can catch a break soon. Anyway, you're doing a great job. And happy 4th (if you live where we celebrate it!). formerly Truthkeeper, now Victoria (talk) 12:53, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you so very much. :D I appreciate it. I'm planning on taking a few hours off today, but this is still so new that it needs some close attention. :) Philippe, who is my supervisor, is really diligent about making sure I take breaks, and he's making sure I do some comp time...next week, when things slow down, I'm taking my son's birthday off. :D And I've seen you in the conversations, but hadn't realized you were Truthkeeper! --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 12:59, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Visual Editor
Hi Maggie. Thanks for your reply in the Visual Editor article. I am composing this message live from my Chrome browser. I have to this point used my sandbox and wiped the same comment but have seen nothing different within the "edit source" option. Everything as it was yesterday! Are you able to provide more information here? The Big Hoof! (talk) 13:10, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
PS. I have read your comments under your other account name which means that you'll probably post a reply here so that is fine, I shall keep this on watch and there will be no need to comment at my talk page. Thanks. The Big Hoof! (talk) 13:10, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
- Oh, dear, @Hooooooof:. So you're using Chrome, and you still aren't seeing the "" options? If you go to a random article, do you see them? --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 13:13, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
- Yes I see it all now. Next comes getting to grips with the new order of things. Thanks a million Maggie! The Big Hoof! (talk) 13:19, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
- Oh, good! I recommend, WP:VE/UG, @Hooooooof:, if you run into issues. :) Good luck! --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 13:21, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
- Yes I see it all now. Next comes getting to grips with the new order of things. Thanks a million Maggie! The Big Hoof! (talk) 13:19, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Very pleasant surprise
to learn that the editor I've known (under your "lunar ID") as the "attribution and copyright gal" is actually a WMF employee! You have your hands full with this VE release, but I'm confident you're up to the task. Seems this version is like Windows Vista or 8 (too much change for users to digest), and it won't gain more widespread acceptance until the next, more incremental, Windows 7 or 8.1-type release comes out. But stick with it.... Happy 4th, Wbm1058 (talk) 13:40, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you. :D My day job does interfere with my volunteer commitment (oh, the copyright backlog!), but VE is really important. We are doing are best to help bring attention of developers to issues and needs of the community. :) --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 13:43, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Original Barnstar | |
For YOU Mike Coppolano (talk) 14:30, 4 July 2013 (UTC) |
- How kind of you! Thank you very much. :) --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 14:33, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Please see
- User_talk:Jorm#FLOW_and_Athena PumpkinSky talk 20:39, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- have you noticed that there are only 7 users in the cat "user who like VE" and 3 of them are official WMF accounts who, shall we say, have to toe the company line? PumpkinSky talk 20:59, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- <blink> Given that I surrendered my 4th and worked I'd rather not count how many hours this week on VE's Feedback pages, I thought "Mdennis (WMF) supports VisualEditor" was pretty uncomplicatedly obvious. It sounds like you're suggesting people can't trust my word because I work for the WMF. :/ --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 21:14, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- have you noticed that there are only 7 users in the cat "user who like VE" and 3 of them are official WMF accounts who, shall we say, have to toe the company line? PumpkinSky talk 20:59, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- Okay, I've read it. @PumpkinSky:, can you explain to me what you don't like about Misplaced Pages:Flow? It's clear that you don't, but I'm not sure why. --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 21:17, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- (WP:FLOW and File:Wikimania - 2012 - Athena Project.pdf links for reference) I admire your dedication to your job but I think WMF as an organization could do a lot more than it does for the users and us volunteers producing content is what keeps WMF and Jimbo in the $. We lost 3-4 long term users today because it's now even more dysfunctional than before. Jimbo became totally disconnected from what's going on years ago. He doesn't even know who major contributors are. Other than you and Oliver, WMF seems totally disconnected from the community. FLOW is too much like facebook. I can't stand facebook. And WMF has a history of rolling out changes that are very poorly tested. VE was a disaster because of it. I don't like the little red notice box either. If I want to "touch" someone I'll put it where all can see it, not some hidden red box that no one else sees. All that stuff is too touchy-feely. Everyone I know was THRILLED when the turn off button in Gadgets was found for VE. All sorts of things didn't work and since you spent all that time on it you probably know specifics better than I do. Can we at least get turn off button for FLOW? PumpkinSky talk 21:37, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- Well, first, I don't think VE is a disaster. :) I think VE needs a lot of work, but I also see a lot of work being done on it--a lot of work that wouldn't have been possible without the community's help. The people who know best what they need are the people who use the editor. I admit openly that the first time I used VE, I had a bit of an "Ack!" response. But, then, I have yet to figure out how to send an email using my cell phone after two years of using it. (I can only reply.)
- (WP:FLOW and File:Wikimania - 2012 - Athena Project.pdf links for reference) I admire your dedication to your job but I think WMF as an organization could do a lot more than it does for the users and us volunteers producing content is what keeps WMF and Jimbo in the $. We lost 3-4 long term users today because it's now even more dysfunctional than before. Jimbo became totally disconnected from what's going on years ago. He doesn't even know who major contributors are. Other than you and Oliver, WMF seems totally disconnected from the community. FLOW is too much like facebook. I can't stand facebook. And WMF has a history of rolling out changes that are very poorly tested. VE was a disaster because of it. I don't like the little red notice box either. If I want to "touch" someone I'll put it where all can see it, not some hidden red box that no one else sees. All that stuff is too touchy-feely. Everyone I know was THRILLED when the turn off button in Gadgets was found for VE. All sorts of things didn't work and since you spent all that time on it you probably know specifics better than I do. Can we at least get turn off button for FLOW? PumpkinSky talk 21:37, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- I wasn't sure of the utility of the little red notice box when it was first unveiled, but I love being able to see when people "ping" me. I've come to appreciate it in both my accounts.
- In what way is FLOW too much like Facebook? It would be helpful, too, if you could explain what you don't like about those similarities. :) I've used Facebook only a handful of times in my life. --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 21:49, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- I'm sure we won't stop FLOW. Can we at least get a turn of FLOW button? VE testing should have been way more thorough. PumpkinSky talk 21:52, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but there will not be a "turn off Flow" button. It will be technically impossible. There will, however, be a gradual roll-out.--Jorm (WMF) (talk) 23:32, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- UGHHHHHH. PumpkinSky talk 23:48, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- Going through the PDF again to be more specific, here's what I don't like about FLOW...."More Kirk, less Spock"---what's that supposed to mean?, a lot of the slides really don't tell you what it's actually doing, "kicking and screaming" proves it's being forced upon us and I don't like that attitude at all, Beatles slide is very facebooky--conversations and balloons etc, slide with the balloon jigsaw puzzle and heart = YUCK, don't want to get rid of user talk pages, slide after that -- I don't need pics of people just what they say and I am NOT putting up my pic, don't need avatars and empathy, don't need all my info thrown on my user page. What I do like: global profiles, sorta like SUL I guess. Does this help? PumpkinSky talk 22:10, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but there will not be a "turn off Flow" button. It will be technically impossible. There will, however, be a gradual roll-out.--Jorm (WMF) (talk) 23:32, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- I'm sure we won't stop FLOW. Can we at least get a turn of FLOW button? VE testing should have been way more thorough. PumpkinSky talk 21:52, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- In what way is FLOW too much like Facebook? It would be helpful, too, if you could explain what you don't like about those similarities. :) I've used Facebook only a handful of times in my life. --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 21:49, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- On another note, I'd like to again thank you for all your help checking out copyvio stuff. That meant A LOT to me. PumpkinSky talk 22:12, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- Re: Flow - Keep incredibly strongly (uppermost!) in mind, that the prototype and the sketch mockups, are concept ideas, they're not design/layout/aesthetic ideas. Do not pay any attention to the look&feel ("these are not the designs you are looking for"); only look at the big-ideas, the abstract thoughts, the workflows concept in particular. If this works out well, it will fix and streamline dozens of broken or ungainly processes, that we all have to struggle with (and learn the complicated nuances of the technical aspects) at the moment.
- Re: Athena - I'm not sure if that's even in active development at the moment. The slideshows/presentations are over a year old. However, there are some great ideas in the mw:Athena page, which hopefully will be technically possible in the future (eg. browsing commons material directly from the article).
- HTH. Sorry for jumping in. (Also, I'd strongly recommend re-starting or moving the Flow discussion to a Flow-related talkpage. Fragmented discussions are just one of the things it will try to fix, but not until it's designed and built!) –Quiddity (talk) 22:27, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- @Q, thanks for the input but I still detest FLOW and right now I'd rather just talk to Maggie than on some FLOW page. PumpkinSky talk 22:50, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- You may find this of interest too: User_talk:PumpkinSky#WMF PumpkinSky talk 01:11, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
- @Q, thanks for the input but I still detest FLOW and right now I'd rather just talk to Maggie than on some FLOW page. PumpkinSky talk 22:50, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I'm traveling, so my ability to respond is going to be low. I'm really sorry to see you so distressed, PumpkinSky. We've certainly worked together many a time, and I don't want you to be unhappy. :( That said, I would be really careful about being spooked too much by the slides. They were used to accompany Jorm's Wikimania presentation. Jorm is a pretty awesome speaker, and he doesn't use slides to be redundant to his speech, but to pique interest and capture attention. Unlike with some speakers (where you could pretty much be deaf and just read the thing), you can't intuit Jorm's message from his slides alone. :) In context, I have no doubt that he thoroughly explained "More Kirk, less Spock", and I bet if I had more bandwidth where I am I could find you the video of that speech somewhere so you could hear the whole thing. :)
But Quiddity's notes are important here - what I'd focus on is the concepts here. Conceptually, I find Flow pretty exciting. "Ability to stop watching individual conversations" - that's a clear win for me. One of the reasons I have come to like the red box is because I know people can call me if they need me. But it's not a failsafe, and I have come upon many an old thread (especially copyright related) where somebody has asked me a question I overlooked. That not happening is a good thing for me. :) I have become increasingly disenchanted with my own "keep all threads in one space" convention - when I was able to volunteer 24/7 that was easy and felt like a no-brainer to me (even though I knew some people preferred otherwise). Now that I may be unable to edit as a volunteer for several days in a row, I'm missing stuff. And I wonder how many people have wanted to talk to me over the years who have missed stuff, too, due to my preference for replying on my own talk page. :(
I understand that you don't like all the splashy bits like the icons. I don't know if I'll opt for that myself or not - I'm disconcerted by seeing my face everywhere, so my Google icon is a public domain magpie. And then I feel really strange that my icon is a bird. In other words, I can't win there. :D But people like to customize their appearance, no matter the medium. For instance, you've done appropriately interesting things with the coloring of your signature, enhancing your name...but it doesn't distract people from your message. It's ultimately just assimilated quickly into a thought that goes something like "Oh, it's him. :)" I suspect any avatar usage will be as well. (I also wouldn't be surprised if somebody somewhere makes some gadget to hide them, but I don't know if that will happen or not. Refer back to the bit where I can't figure out how to send emails from my cellphone. :))
I hope that when this is unveiled, you will be pleasantly surprised.
And I'm happy to continue discussing it with you, although I may have some difficulty over the weekend. But instead of the slides, though, which are not easily understood out of context, let's talk about Misplaced Pages:Flow. --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 11:47, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
- Hi. It's not just the flashy touchy feely facebooky stuff, all of which I hate. It's that I'm not impressed with WMF rolling out, repeatedly, improperly tested changes. I know you like VE, but you're the only one I've talked to that does. Every else I've talked to hates it and turned it off. I scrolled through your VE edits and it's quite obvious it has many issues. There's no way this was thoroughly tested. This does not bode well for something like FLOW that's an even bigger change. Then Brandon says above that there will be no turn off button, so we have another item WMF is forcing upon us. I'm sorry, there's absolutely nothing I like about all this.PumpkinSky talk 12:11, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
- Well, if your concern is "improperly tested changes", I'm not sure why your focus is on FLOW. :) Why are you assuming that FLOW will not be properly tested?
- Hi. It's not just the flashy touchy feely facebooky stuff, all of which I hate. It's that I'm not impressed with WMF rolling out, repeatedly, improperly tested changes. I know you like VE, but you're the only one I've talked to that does. Every else I've talked to hates it and turned it off. I scrolled through your VE edits and it's quite obvious it has many issues. There's no way this was thoroughly tested. This does not bode well for something like FLOW that's an even bigger change. Then Brandon says above that there will be no turn off button, so we have another item WMF is forcing upon us. I'm sorry, there's absolutely nothing I like about all this.PumpkinSky talk 12:11, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
- In terms of VE, the testing is happening now - Linus's law is working amazingly well here. There is one major difference between Misplaced Pages editors (or the other WMF projects) and something like Facebook or, I dunno, Microsoft Word's audience: we are collaborators in the process rather than consumers. The community is involved in everything here - from helping to select the Board of Trustees through open election to helping determine where movement funds are allocated to helping design and write software. With VE, community involvement in these stages is particularly important - who knows better what the editor should do than the people who use it? I've had the opportunity to talk to designers about upcoming feature request implementation. There's stuff on that list that nobody could have thought of but a gnome who has dedicated dozens of hours to working with templates. But it's important to remember that the original editing interface is still open and is remaining open. The WMF never intended to force editors to choose VE. It is there an option, and one they very much hope the community will join in on improving. --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 12:50, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
- I've said why I think FLOW won't be properly tested, VE wasn't so why should I think FLOW will be? I can turn VE off and I don't have to worry about, but I can't turn FLOW off and that is a big worry. As for the community being involved in the other things in your last paragraph, news to me. Since when and how can the community (ie, me) control wiki $? Now onto three major drawbacks with FLOW per the slide show:
- In terms of VE, the testing is happening now - Linus's law is working amazingly well here. There is one major difference between Misplaced Pages editors (or the other WMF projects) and something like Facebook or, I dunno, Microsoft Word's audience: we are collaborators in the process rather than consumers. The community is involved in everything here - from helping to select the Board of Trustees through open election to helping determine where movement funds are allocated to helping design and write software. With VE, community involvement in these stages is particularly important - who knows better what the editor should do than the people who use it? I've had the opportunity to talk to designers about upcoming feature request implementation. There's stuff on that list that nobody could have thought of but a gnome who has dedicated dozens of hours to working with templates. But it's important to remember that the original editing interface is still open and is remaining open. The WMF never intended to force editors to choose VE. It is there an option, and one they very much hope the community will join in on improving. --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 12:50, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
- "Posts editable only by author or admin". ARGH!!! That means some scum can come by and put goatse and swear words all over my page/talk page and I can't do squat about it til I get an admin to fix it.
- "Defaults to most recent conversation". Sounds good but my understanding is even Facebook dropped it. Methinks this has no archiving and people can open decades long threads.
- Bloat. I'm unfortunately confidant this will have massive page size bloat. It's scary to think what ANI threads will be with this.
- I think even you will have to see none of these three things is good. PumpkinSky talk 20:10, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
- I think you have a grave misunderstanding about what Flow actually is. I'll comment on your three bullet points:
- I think even you will have to see none of these three things is good. PumpkinSky talk 20:10, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
- This is a long-held conflation that the community has. There is a difference between "editing comments" and "reverting vandalism". You will be able to revert vandalism. You will not (likely) be able to edit someone else's comment to say things they didn't say. Not editing other people's comments does not prevent you from deleting vandalism that happens on your board; the two things are not related in reality; only in wikitext.
- I think you misunderstand Facebook. Facebook's feed has two modes (most recent and most popular). Most popular doesn't make any sense for what we do.
- I think you will be surprised and in fact delighted that this will result in less bloat for highly active discussion fora, as not everything is loaded at the same time. We will be doing what is called "lazy loading" - the entire page isn't loaded at once, only what is asked for (to be viewed).
- The reason why there will not be a "turn off" switch is that the transition is what we call "cataclysmic". Talk pages are "unstructured" data; Flow boards are "structured" data. Never the twain shall meet - you must interact with structured data in a structured way. During the development and testing period, it may be possible to convert existing flow boards back into wikitext (in fact, this would be fairly trivial) but that is also a cataclysmic change (it is one-way).--Jorm (WMF) (talk) 21:07, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
- I thinks it's interesting that on your talk page you tell me to leave you alone and go talk to Maggie and then you participate here anyway. But whatever. As for what FLOW really is and isn't, we'll see. Given new wiki software history, I'm not optimistic at all. I'll believe the hype when the proof is in the pudding. PumpkinSky talk 21:24, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
- That was my personal talk page, not my work talk page.--Jorm (WMF) (talk) 21:33, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
- I thinks it's interesting that on your talk page you tell me to leave you alone and go talk to Maggie and then you participate here anyway. But whatever. As for what FLOW really is and isn't, we'll see. Given new wiki software history, I'm not optimistic at all. I'll believe the hype when the proof is in the pudding. PumpkinSky talk 21:24, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
- The reason why there will not be a "turn off" switch is that the transition is what we call "cataclysmic". Talk pages are "unstructured" data; Flow boards are "structured" data. Never the twain shall meet - you must interact with structured data in a structured way. During the development and testing period, it may be possible to convert existing flow boards back into wikitext (in fact, this would be fairly trivial) but that is also a cataclysmic change (it is one-way).--Jorm (WMF) (talk) 21:07, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
PumpkinSky, I really do understand your concern. If I were forced to use VE and VE only in editing, I wouldn't be a happy camper at the moment - but FLOW and VE are very different products and have very different development paths accordingly. VE needs the development path its on for the reasons I explained above; the complexity of article editing is huge, and the diversity in approaches to it is likewise. I would be really happy if it had fewer bugs (and am sure the developers feel the same), but it's being rapidly improved and (particularly important) tailored to the needs of the community as they try it and say, "It would be better if it worked like this...."
In terms of FLOW, I'm not sure if you realize how hostile your initial approach here was. I know you're a reasonable guy, and I assume that you're in the first flush of finding out about it and being worried about what it might do. I would really hope you'll take time to think it through and try to be open-minded about it. Jorm has answered some of your concerns above - he's also a reasonable guy. :) And he is both competent and passionate about Misplaced Pages. :D
All the other stuff - yes, the community plays a big roll in steering the Wikimedia Foundation. If you're interested in hearing more about some of the backlot infrastructure, please let me know. I've learned a lot since first becoming community liaison. Of course, a lot of these conversations take place on Meta, which is where cross-project business is intended to be discussed. It would be much easier if we had some means of watching conversations across wikis. --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 23:38, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for talking and listening, but since we will have no choice but to use it or leave, I have nothing else to say. Thank you for your time.PumpkinSky talk 23:46, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
For Your Kind Attention
Please read this: Commons:User_talk:Russavia#Resolution:Images_of_identifiable_persons. JKadavoor Jee 05:28, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
Q about July fundraiser at VP
Hi Maggie. Thanks for all the great work you've been doing improving the communication between the foundation and the community. There's a question at the village pump about the current fundraiser. Could you please stop by there when you have a free moment? Thanks. 64.40.54.47 (talk) 01:46, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
- Answered. :D (And thanks for your kind words. :)) --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 01:59, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you 64.40.54.47 (talk) 02:34, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
Many thanks!
Thank you for your kind words and encouragement! "Get Well" wishes really do help, a least for me. And to get one from a random WP editor is especially nice.
I'll check out the new Visual Editor when I'm feeling a bit better. By that time, it will have evolved further and I may have more patience!
Good luck with the project.
Ande B. (talk) 23:27, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
The STOPhaus Movement Claims that WP Community is Purposefully Maintaining Libel
You may or may not be aware that there has been an ongoing feud between an anti-spam organization known as The Spamhaus Project and an anti-censorship collective known as The STOPhaus Movement. This has spilled over into Misplaced Pages community due to a largely biased and one-sided section on a page that seems to be gvery one-sided altogether. The Spamhaus Project has a page on Misplaced Pages and on that page there is a discussion concerning STOPhaus and their involvement in the "Largest DDoS Attack in History" as NYT so sensationally called it.
The NYT journalist, Nicole Perlroth and John Markoff were fed the content by Cloudflare, a DDoS mitigation company working alongside The Spamhaus Project. The Misplaced Pages article reflects on allegations against The STOPhaus Movement and even goes as far as to use a quote calling us "spam and malware hosters", "criminals" and various other libelous claims. We, if there is a "we" are a group of people, users, ISPs, and various anonymous supporters that believe that Spamhaus are over-aggressive in their means to the point it is, or should be, illegal. The debate is whether or not they are, in fact, criminal in their actions.
I am reaching out on the behalf of The STOPhaus Movement to suggest that your editors allow the inclusion of the allegations against Spamhaus, made by STOPhaus or the removal of any reference to STOPhaus from The Spamhaus Page. Maintaining what we are calling libel without moral or reasonable grounds to do so appears to be malicious propaganda and is being received as such. Congratulations on your new life, but you should understand first hand, how a NYT inaccuracy becomes a PR nightmare and Wikimedia Foundation Inc. should not promote the libelous abuse of any group of people.
Especially since the largest STOPhaus support comes from your hometown and a recently formed Political Party in Pinellas County support TSM. Seems you should be a proponent for the whole truth and nothing but the truth, bring a Floridian. Maybe London has already gotten to you though, who knows?