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Noel Lee

Thanks! It should be easy for me to de-orphan his page by linking to it on the Monster Cable Products page and I'd be happy to add some categories as a non-controversial edit, unless you think I should use Request Edit, as well as keep prodding Monster for images with copyright permissions. I'm expecting some of the typical BLP riff raff like this to find its way there eventually, so I'll flag that when/if it comes up.

I mentioned on Talk that "(manufacturer)" wasn't quite right. Businessman, Monster CEO, CEO, or if we wanted to be cute "Head Monster" ;-) (or whatever) might be more on-target. CorporateM (Talk) 13:26, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Oooh, or "(Executive)", I think that's what we usually use. CorporateM (Talk) 13:33, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Ah. I forgot about de-orphanning. I've moved to Noel Lee (executive) and linked to that from Monster Cable Products, but if you'd prefer demigod or other, let me know and I'll do the move. As for that, what can you do? It's a wiki. Ping me if you need help with anything. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 13:45, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, yes, demi-god would work quite nicely. ;-) CorporateM (Talk) 13:52, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Actually, you'll need to double my commission for that move. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 13:54, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Now you sound like User:Drmies ;-)

Sounds like I need to have a quiet word with Mr D. :{ --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 18:11, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Hey now. I'm still waiting on my cut for Mathijs Bouman--cheap-ass Dutch calvinist. Drmies (talk) 18:30, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Mate, there's enough here for everyone. We just need to, you know, keep in touch. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 19:17, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm waiting for a huge check for History of public relations. That article has drained me, but then, I don't think it does anyone any favors, except maybe the wire services for this little social plug. CorporateM (Talk) 18:46, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Someone from Monster just sent me a PDF with a bunch of copyedits like "expires" -> "expired" and "Monster Cable Products" -> "Monster" (they shortened their name a while back). I'm gonna go ahead and put those in as non-controversial edits with detailed edit summaries. However, if I do go beyond a non-controversial edit, I encourage trout-slapping. CorporateM (Talk) 18:03, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Fine. You can ping me when you're done, if you want. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 18:11, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

 Done Diff Mostly just correcting grammar, run-ons, tense etc. There were a couple edits in the pdf that would have added slightly promotional language, which I skipped. This comes to mind as something that isn't quite just a clerical edit. It's a huge burden to ask volunteers to correct every period and whatnot, so I'll usually just fix such things. CorporateM (Talk) 18:36, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

I've got no issues with any of that. It's a pleasure doing business with you. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 19:17, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) CorporateM, I congratulate you on creating a text as neutral as that with such promotional sources. (I know that's the way the journals write: always with the congratulatory tone.) But about the iffy diff: I think the whole bit after "cable" is iffy, not just the consumers. Unfortunately I can't check how exactly the source puts it, because the pdf in footnote 12 is broken. (Unless it breaks when I download it.) I've edited it, anyway. Feel free to improve. Bishonen | talk 19:57, 29 July 2013 (UTC).

The original was more true to the source, but I think your edit is still better. The sources that talk about Lee all focus on his successfully persuading the market that the cables made a difference in the sound, but I happen to know that not everyone was convinced. I had expressed some concern about this bias to User:North8000 but wasn't sure how to correct it. That little tweek is perfect and I would consider it an acceptable stray from the source as common sense and IAR. As you pointed out, the press that we use as source material doesn't necessarily share Misplaced Pages's editorial mission, so we have to use good judgement to make sure we are more neutral than the sources. CorporateM (Talk) 20:37, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Right. Thanks. Uh, can you see what's wrong with the pdf, and maybe fix it? It's beyond my skill. Bishonen | talk 20:49, 29 July 2013 (UTC).

The PDF works for me; just takes a really long time to download. It's only 400KBs, so I presume it's a problem on their side. I can email it to you if you like. CorporateM (Talk) 21:34, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

What happened to me, several times, was it arrived as two pdfs, one empty and one corrupt. No, it can't have been the size, and it didn't take long at all. Anyway, I just tried again and this time it worked. :-) Computers aren't the logical machines they're cracked up to be; they're ruled by capricious, testy little men who live inside them and do all the work. My mac is, at least. Bishonen | talk 23:31, 29 July 2013 (UTC).

I'm a mac user as well. Now if only I could find a mac that doesn't overheat when playing World of Warcraft I would be a happy camper. Until then, I'll somewhat begrudgingly continue buying macs because I have lost touch with my skills at constant Windows maintenance. But now I've really hijacked Anthony's page, so I should scurry off. You can also follow me to the actual Monster page here if you want. Despite what *some* editors think, I don't pay commission, but I do offer myself as a punching bag to COI critics by disclosing all over the place. I've heard it makes for good sport. :-D CorporateM (Talk) 01:27, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK-Good Article Request for Comment

Did you know ... that since you expressed an opinion on the GA/DYK proposal last year, we invite you to contribute to a formal Request for Comment on the matter? Please see the proposal on its subpage here, or on the main DYK talk page. To add the discussion to your watchlist, click this link. Regards, Gilderien Chat|What I've done22:55, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, would you like to elaborate on your !vote? :) --Gilderien Chat|What I've done 23:09, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

I might add to the discussion later. I can't imagine what the oppose rationales will be. Is it a tribal thing between GA/FA and DYK? (You don't have to answer that, given your role in this.) Thanks very much for persevering. It would be nice for the GA people to get their moment in the sun too. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 23:25, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes! Those GA people, let em stew in their own juices. If they can't bring something up to FA, that's their problem. Bwuhaha! Drmies (talk) 18:43, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

This callous attitude toward content-creators by Machiavellian power-players such as yourself, Mr Demise, is at the heart of the corruption here. (I'm sure we can still work out something on that "other" matter, though.) --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 19:17, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

That's Mrs. Demise, of course. Seriously, I'm somewhat torn about the proposal, indicated by the fact that I can't remember if I initially endorsed it or shouted it down. On the one hand it's a bit easy for GA writers to rack up another totem with the same article, and it's all-too enticing for DYK reviewers to basically say " per GA review". (There's enough problems already in the DYK reviews and, pace Eric Corbett, in GA reviews also, though arguably there's fewer problems.) On the other, sure, GA writers need some recognition as well. (I play both fields.) And I would support the separate mention of new GAs in the FA box, but that begs the question of selection (and how many?), and the front page is indeed a bit cluttered already (as Eric pointed out). Drmies (talk) 19:46, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

I can't bear any of it actually, Ma'am. This is my preferred option for the main page. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 20:02, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Nihilist! What will the sponsors say?? Drmies (talk) 20:10, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

I see you called one section "General discussion" and the other "General Discussion" so I didn't really need to do that rename. Oh well. Carry on. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 23:46, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

ANI

My comment at ANI wasn't at all meant as a criticism of you. In fact, quite the opposite. My meaning was to compliment you for actually being the only one to provide some actual context. I'm sorry if I was unclear in making it though; I think my follow up will make that clear. Shadowjams (talk) 06:25, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

No problem at all, Shadowjams. I didn't read it negatively. It's hard to judge tone sometimes in text. I can see TheShadoeCrow is deeply pissed off. And it worries me when an editor is in that state and an admin can't handle it. Perhaps TheShadowCrow is an ass. I don't know. But I just don't think it's ever appropriate for an admin to address an angry, aggrieved editor in those terms. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 06:44, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Talk page linking from Megacephalic

I changed my name a few weeks ago, I thought I had done all of the required work to link everything. Apparently, I did not. So thank you for letting me know! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caitlin.swartz (talk • contribs) 01:23, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

No worries. You can keep it black by using <font color = black>Megacephalic</font> I think. (That will make your sig' disappear for users who work with white/blue text on a black background. Yes, people do that - but not many.) --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 01:34, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

I decided to go back to my old user name. I believe that the problem is fixed. Is it? Caitlin.swartz (talk) 01:36, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Okay, it appears that my talk link is back. Though, I am still unclear as to how to permanently add contrib and email.Would you mind helping me out? Thank you. Caitlin.swartz (talk) 01:39, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

In preferences, I added ] (] · ] · ]) to the "Signature" field and ticked the "Treat the above as wiki markup" box.

So, try pasting
] (] · ] · ])
(and tick the box). Let me know. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 02:49, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Ha ha! Snap! -- Hillbillyholiday 02:53, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

TSC

Hi, it's interesting to see you saying I have demonstrated "poor judgment" - other than TSC you're the only person IIRC who has said that. Please feel free to provide specific diffs, I'd be interested to see an outside party's view on the matter. Also, please don't encourage TSC. GiantSnowman 20:04, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

On TSC's talk page I say "hint at poor judgment" because it's not clear. In the first incident he cites at his RFAR (this split conversation: ) you assume from the start that the sources he's using to establish the subject's notability don't cover the subject in significant detail.

Two hours into the discussion you tell him, "Stop being so difficult, and please find some more sources if you wish for me to unlock the article. ... Just because something is true does not mean it is notable. That is basic, basic, basic stuff." Three hours in you tell him, "No, I have looked at the sources - as I have stated (far too) many times, they do not meet GNG, as they are WP:ROUTINE and do not cover the subject in significant detail. For the 3rd or 4th time - are more sources available?" and "Something more than run-of-the-mill/transfer news - an in-depth piece(s) or interview in national media would suffice." When he tells you three of the four existing sources are interviews, you reply with, "Hmm, fine, I've opened it up."

It's hard to escape the impression that you didn't bother to look at the sources, or run them through Google translate or ask the editor what they were. You were a little patronising to him, and you didn't apologise for wasting his time. I say sorry if I block a doorway for a few seconds. So, on it's face there is a hint of arrogance and lack of diligence, and your graceless concession smacks of possible poor social judgment.

But I don't know the background. Perhaps he's been a complete arsehole to you before, and what I witnessed there was saintly restraint from you under the (unknown-to-me) circumstances. Or perhaps it was an isolated case, a lapse in an otherwise ideal record. Only lots of experience of you, or a rigorous review of your history, will tell. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 21:31, 1 August 2013 (UTC)