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Alkan op.14 Allelujah in F

Do you know anything about it? Double sharp (talk) 13:22, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

It seems to be an old designation, rather than a new one: Double sharp (talk) 04:29, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: Richard Wagner

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Richard Wagner (1813–83) was a German composer, theatre director, polemicist, and conductor primarily known for his operas. His compositions, particularly those of his later period, are notable for their complex textures, rich harmonies and orchestration, and the elaborate use of leitmotifs—musical phrases associated with individual characters, places, ideas or plot elements. These innovations greatly influenced the development of classical music; his Tristan und Isolde is sometimes described as marking the start of modern music. Wagner revolutionised opera through his concept of synthesising the poetic, visual, musical and dramatic arts. He first realised these ideas in his four-opera cycle The Ring of the Nibelung. He had his own opera house built at Bayreuth, containing many novel design features, where his most important stage works continue to be performed in an annual festival run by his descendants. Wagner's controversial writings on music, drama and politics have attracted extensive comment in recent decades, especially where they express antisemitic sentiments. The effect of his ideas can be traced in many of the arts throughout the 20th century. (Full article...)

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Rasp

"But 1024 isn't divisible by 6!! Or is this part of the whole affair's inexplicability?" Yes. In the column (5-Aug-1977) Rasp signs a document handed to him by a besuited man carrying a briefcase who appears from a chasm in the pitch. The column the following week makes the same indivisibilty point, suggesting that the contract was with ". . . Certain Agencies, which in cases like this usually try to suggest at an early stage that there is no limit to their thaumaturgic powers". Denham062 (talk) 15:05, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

May 2013

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at Richard Wagner, you may be blocked from editing. This covers the premature archiving of discussions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:11, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I leave this on display for public merriment and edification. Unlike others who choose to hide their shame.--Smerus (talk) 10:25, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I got one as well. Anyone else in the club? --Kleinzach 10:30, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

It could be construed that someone is evading an ANI community ban . Or is Richard Wagner not Featured Article of the Day today? --Folantin (talk) 13:23, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Precious

centenary
Thank you for quality articles, based on scientific background and a life in Europe, with a passion for music shown in playing instruments and organising a music festival, crowned by Richard Wagner to celebrate 200 years, a life of drama, for progress, without compromise, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:12, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Gerda, you are very kind. I will try to believe that I really deserve your approbation ! --Smerus (talk) 11:29, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Don't try to hard to believe, sure you deserve. I saw the pictured Chereau Götterdämmerung, quite unforgettable, not the Gielen/Berghaus Ring, though, but their Aida. Let's turn to Verdi after this celebration ;) - Did you know that my only article deleted and not restored was Parsifal, an EU project? (It's in the history of the redirect.)--Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:38, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Incidentally...

...Das Judenthum in der Musik (itself a redirect from Wagner and anti-Semitism) is in the publications subcategory, but actually I think that might be better off redirecting to Wagner_controversies#Antisemitism. Then the redirect could be put in useful categories. What do you think? –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:25, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

You meant that Wagner and anti-Semitism should redirect to Wagner_controversies#Antisemitism? If so I agree.--Smerus (talk) 20:31, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Also that we can usefully put Wagner and anti-Semitism in a category, rather than leaving people with no way to find Wagner from the anti-Semitism categories. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:40, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, this makes sense! I find it difficult to understand the (supposed) sensitivity about Jew-hatred/antisemitism in categories; if it's properly sourced in the article, it's a perfectly acceptable descriptor.--Smerus (talk) 07:59, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

(Re Howard Goodall on Wagner)

Dear Smerus,

Thanks for your response on the talk page of the article Richard Wagner. As per your suggestion on the talk page, I am adding the text quoting Howard Goodall on Wagner music in the article Wagner controversies. thanks Robin klein (talk) 17:32, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

fwiw

Also a discussion started here, if you're interested, on placement of bios in anti-semitic categories. Category_talk:Antisemitism_in_the_United_States --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 23:51, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Also, I never really apologized for the snarky comment in the nomination. So, allow me to do so now - I'm sorry, I know you created these categories in good faith. I apologize.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 14:16, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

That's fine, understood. Thank you.--Smerus (talk) 14:17, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

from Meyerbeer13

Why do you call my edits disruptive? I don't believe saying Meyerbeer wasn't inventive in terms of harmony (or music in general) is a verifiable statement. Certainly his contemporaries wouldn't have agreed! And they especially praised his rhythmic sense. Meyerbeer's contemporaries (the ones in the best position to judge) thought he was a revolutionary figure. Moreover, I don't see why this type of statement is obligatory on Meyerbeer but is never found in Mozart or Wagner pages. A professional violinist I know said if Mozart had died 5 years sooner, no one would have ever heard of him. I'm not going to put that on his wikipedia article, even though it's probably a true statement. I know a professional cellist who told me she thought Boccherini was better than Mozart because Mozart stole most of his ideas from Boccherini. (And plenty from Piccini) I'm not putting that on his web page. So leave Meyerbeer alone! He was a great man. Talk about the good things he did, no unverifiable meaningless criticisms please! Everybody has feet of clay. EVERYBODY. Meyerbeer13 (talk) 06:50, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments.

1) Please respond on editors' talk pages, not their main pages, to avoid disruption.

2) As I tried to explain to you on your own talk page, what you or I think is not of interest to Misplaced Pages. It is interested in reporting sourced material from respected commentators (whether or not you or I as individuals respect them). See WP:NPOV. Please take some time to read the Misplaced Pages standards which are referred to in the comments by myself and others on your talk page. If of course you decide that these standards are not for you, there is no compulsion for you to continue editing Misplaced Pages.

Best, --Smerus (talk) 07:00, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

You don't seem to understand what I mean when I say unverifiable. No matter how respected someone is, something that is unverifiable and/or meaningless for different reasons should be mercilessly deleted not only from wikipedia but from musicology in general, because it makes us look ridiculous. For example, saying something you could say about anyone, for instance saying a composer at his best is a good composer -- that is meaningless but it has a negative connotation, you always look at the best work, not the bad work. Beethoven was pretty uneven, but "respected commentators" don't point that out. So when people make that kind of comment about Meyerbeer I find it not only annoying but worthless. The good thing about Misplaced Pages is that it often has much more interesting criticism than the standard things people write. Certain figures like Meyerbeer attract a lot of garbage, found (unfortunately) throughout the "respected commentator" literature, but that doesn't make it any less garbage. You can also learn things from Misplaced Pages that no one ever has (to my knowledge) pointed out, for instance there was a discussion about how little Meyerbeer wrote of Africaine, some people apparently think he didn't really write much of the version completed after his death. I don't know whether that's true or not, but it's a very interesting point. Certainly he got the libretto early on, I believe before he even did Prophete, and he was locked in a death struggle with Scribe over the Indian religion scenes Scribe wanted. That's what makes the two comedies interesting -- I personally believe they were the real operas of Meyerbeer's final maturity.

Another point: all these things only exist with good performances. Most performances of obscure works tend not to do them justice. Now when we hear a bad performance of Mozart, we chalk it up to the performers. With Meyerbeer, Auber, Piccinni, Traetta etc etc we blame the music. But music doesn't exist without the performer. Check out my two le philtre excerpts on my youtube channel to see if you don't hear the difference between the tenor and soprano there and most of today's singers.

Best,

Meyerbeer13 (talk) 07:21, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Alas for you, the nature of Misplaced Pages is that it seeks to rule out the subjective. That is one of the rules of the club, if you want to play along. I disagree with a lot of stuff that is up there but that is just my opinion, and editors' own opinions count as WP:OR and are inelgible. You just have to live with it - or live without it. As long as you put up your own opinons without citations, expect to have them reverted, and/or expect some editor to seek to exclude you permanently. Again, I urge you to read the rules. Best, --Smerus (talk) 07:29, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Why is it OK for you to post something subjective, just because it's said by an "authority"? That doesn't make it any less subjective. My so called disruptive editing was trying to get rid of gratuitous subjective comments that were disparaging to the subjects of the article.

If there are no opinions allowed, then it shouldn't matter who has those opinions; I would respect that. But that's apparently not the way it works.

Best, Meyerbeer13 (talk) 17:33, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Richard Wagner (1813–83) was a German composer, theatre director, polemicist, and conductor primarily known for his operas. His compositions, particularly those of his later period, are notable for their complex textures, rich harmonies and orchestration, and the elaborate use of leitmotifs—musical phrases associated with individual characters, places, ideas or plot elements. These innovations greatly influenced the development of classical music; his Tristan und Isolde is sometimes described as marking the start of modern music.

Isn't all this subjective?

Meyerbeer13 (talk) 17:44, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

I adumbrate, for the amusement and edification of my many friends and enemies on WP, that Meyerbeer13 tagged the above edit "are you an antisemite?" (see page history). As they can see I have tried painstakingly asking this editor to read and understand the Misplaced Pages norms, but would he listen? He would not. --Smerus (talk) 20:08, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Note: A discussion regarding User:Meyerbeer13 is currently taking place at WP:ANI. Toccata quarta (talk) 19:49, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

"Jewry in Music: Entry to the Profession from the Enlightenment to Richard Wagner" Do you think Wagner was Jewish? Just asking! Meyerbeer13 (talk) 02:18, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Anyone interested can read the book. --Smerus (talk) 07:30, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

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Bassoon Quintet

After the move to more specific, I repaired most of the broken links, but still find a link to Bassoon Quintet to the other works listed in {{Graham Waterhouse}}. What is it that I don't see? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:18, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

This is solved, I fixed the last wrong link in Epitaphium (for WW). Thanks for doing the Bach cantata review! For amusement: on the German Misplaced Pages I was asked if I could get something similar to the Bach composition infobox to de. The one who asked (and had made a navbox for the cantatas) had no idea that I designed it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:31, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Alkan

Will do. I have in the last hour cleared my decks of promised reviews at GAN and FAC, and so will be pleased to give old Alkan a review. I know next to nothing about him except for his macabre end, and shall enjoy learning more. Tim riley (talk) 13:31, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, that was easy (see page). A Rolls Royce of an article and I only needed to judge it against Volkswagen standards. If you are moved to reciprocate beady-eye-services, I have Royal Philharmonic Orchestra at peer review, and would welcome any thoughts you might care to make when you have a moment. Unlike Alkan, the RPO is not intended for FAC, just GAN in due course. Tim riley (talk) 16:37, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

You found time. Thank you so much. Best wishes. – Tim riley (talk) 10:09, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Brilliant work on Charles-Valentin Alkan! Expect to see it at FAC soon! ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:00, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Oh I'm certain you'll have it at FA long before then. It already looks like an FA candidate as Tim said! I'd be happy to help you promote it. My favourite pianist is Chopin but I also like Liszt and Alkan among others! ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 21:13, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Excellent reading! What a surprise to meet the great names of art in Paris at the time, Bach and the Talmud, good examples of his music, (smiling at "misanthropic and misogynous", to my knowledge there should by a space before an ellipse that doesn't belong to the previous word,) and "he sought incessantly to transcend", - great work! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

You surprised me

Your reaction to Jusdafax at ANI surprised me.

I know that ANI is for behavior not content, so while I think the disagreement between Andy and Nikkimaria is rooted in disagreements about content, I accepted that the ANI thread should concentrate on behavior. Roughly speaking, I think neither party is close to exemplary, both have afield to take ordinary steps we expect editors with a few hundred edits to follow. Behavior such as this by editors with tens of thousands of edits deserves community disapproval. However, I do not see that blocks are warranted, and both deserve trouts. Obviously, my position hasn't been supported, but I haven't seen any other proposal gain consensus.

That said, I don't see the problem going away unless we either solve the underlying problem, or get them to agree to stay away from each other, which simply means pretending the problems don't exist. Those two aren't the only ones who disagree about when infoboxes are appropriate, which fields in infoboxes should exist, whether collapsing infoboxes is desirable, whether empty fields should be removed, or a few other related issues swirling about. It has been claimed (I haven't seen the evidence, so I am agnostic) that many fine editors have been drive away because of fights over these issues. However, you claim that if the community reaches a conclusion of best practices, this will drive away good editors. It sounds like failure to do so has already driven away good editors. I find it astounding to contemplate that leaving the answers muddled is somehow better.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 16:11, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

answered on your talk page. Best, --Smerus (talk) 20:12, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Alkan on the pédalier

Greetings. Two recordings of Alkan works performed on the pédalier:

Jean Dubé JEAN DUBÉ Oeuvres originales pour piano-pédalier de Alkan, Dubois, Franck, Liszt, Schumann http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Syrius/SYR141446

Olivier Latry OLIVIER LATRY Piano Pédalier Oliver Latry Plays Alkan, Boëly, Brahms, Liszt, Schumann http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Naive/V5278

There's Peter Sykes, American organist (http://www.bu.edu/cfa/music/faculty/sykes/) who's played Alkan on the pedal piano in one recital, on October 5, 2010, at Southern Adventist University. Guess it didn't bring the house down. Dubé and Latry play the historical Érard. Prosseda used to play the Borgato and now uses the Pinchi system with various grands. Miklavčič, an organist and harpsichordist from Slovenia which you mentioned, plays the Borgato if I recall correctly. Cheers, Contact Basemetal here 04:22, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks - now noted in article (and in Alkan Society website).--Smerus (talk) 10:26, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

FYI

Re . The person in question not an administrator. ;) Best, Voceditenore (talk) 19:43, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Also: I thought of you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Andy, whom I know personally, is an admistrator on Misplaced Pages UK. he doesn't make any other claims. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:04, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Advice

Hi Smerus. Look Andy and his friends are very verbose and will try and grind you down with side issues and questions of character and that, but I hope you can see through it. I realise you are fustrated, but your not alone. This has all been gone through many times over years, but I think part of the problem is that today's admin corp come from after, and dont have a full picture. I'm glad to see you taking a stand though. The reflex tactic seems to be intimatition, one article at a time, and when the local editor voices up, the friends swarm in, then "concensus", usually in a classic passive agressive manner. Its not really good enough. Ceoil (talk) 09:55, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Your voice was hatted on AN/I, I think because the closing admin didnt know the context or was so focused on the rules, he lost sight. This is an old story, and is a considerable source of stress to a great many people who have stood up. Ceoil (talk) 14:28, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

ArbCom etiquette

Smerus, it seems that for you (same as for me), it's the first ArbCom case. Please read the instructions: everybody is confined to their own space making comments. I (sadly) watched enough of them to know that. I will not change, please move your comment. Privately: how come you find Andy aggressive and I don't? I try to stay factual, Zelot(citation required) that I am ;)--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:56, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda - as you say, I am a newcomer to this world. I will move my comment. Maybe Andy is politer to ladies than he is to his own sex? As you see, I am not the only one on this thread to have found his style unpleasant. Best, --Smerus (talk) 10:17, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

(ec) You just taught me another new word, thank you! - Do me a favour, look at Andy's recent (!) contributions, for example his comments to the Signpost article. I observe that he came to be politer in time, to both sexes. - You know that I have a history of being against infoboxes (took me about six months to understand), and that I wiki-linked bollocks once? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:19, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

I looked now at your "I stand corrected". It doesn't show that "Wikipedian inresidence" is not a paid job. It also doesn't show that Andy didn't breach a ban, because he wasn't banned from a talk page. - What you describe ("aggression", "zealots", "agitate" ...) seems much more what you felt than what happened ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:12, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I note your opinion.--Smerus (talk) 12:10, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Opinion yes: to describe the wish not to archive a "fresh" discussion (and install automatic archiving as a means to support objectivity) as "agitate" shows opinion. That Andy was not banned from any talk page is fact. It would be fair to acknowledge that, and would look so much nicer if you also did it yourself. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:44, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Gerda, my apologies, but we have to differ here, I am afraid. He was not banned by the letter, but he was in my opinion clearly banned by the spirit of the ruling and he was intelligent enough to realise that, and to know that he was crossing the line when he behaved as he did.--Smerus (talk) 13:19, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

File:Shostakovichbirthplaque.JPG

Hi Semerus. Is that really a photo? It looks so much like a picture from a book! I wonder, did you give it some kind of "radical treatment" to produce this result? Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:07, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

It's my own photo! Possibly sightly touched up on Picasa, I can't remember. Took it when working in St. Petersburg, in the next street actually. The building is now a school. Best --Smerus (talk) 17:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

How curious. It's almost like a still from some 50s Hollywood dream sequence! Great to hear the Rondo from Moscheles' "Piano Concerto No 4 in E major" on the radio this morning. Sounded to me a bit like "Liberace meets the Grenadier Guards" (but in a good way, of course!) Oh dear, maybe not the best analysis you've ever heard. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:36, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

This may just be a function of the unique quality of St. Petersburg light, especially at the moment (when this photo was taken as I recall) when afternoon shades towards evening. I'm no expert photographer (or Photoshopper) so I couldn't have created this effect if I tried! By the way there is a good recording (perhaps you know it) of Piers Lane playing some of the later Moscheles studies, which are quite something - at times, almost Alkanesque. I think it was in writing about these that Moscheles commented 'of course, I do not have the grasp of Liszt - but then, I am not a grasping man.' Best, --Smerus (talk) 19:47, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

What a great quote. There are some Piers Lane gems on YT, I'm glad to say. I find this particularly brilliant. I must admit that I know next to nothing about that famous brand of kitchen foil, so I must take a good look at the GA here. I guess he's yet another in that I-Spy Book of Victorian Musical Jews, or whatever it's called. But thanks for the top baking tip! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:35, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

RFAR

I'm going to go ahead and add you to the "parties" of the infobox RFAR. — Ched :  ?  04:18, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

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Move question

Can you tell me why you moved the page Night on Bald Mountain the most common English name to another name without seeking consensus on the talk page? Ultra Venia (talk) 22:03, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. The title was 'Night on Bald Mountain', whereas the text throughout the article (and in the lead sentence) gave,and gives, 'Bare Mountain'. One or other had to go. As the talk page had failed to resolve this in the past, I moved the article to the correct name of the piece and the redirects will take both bald and bare users to the article. Best, --Smerus (talk) 03:52, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Alistair Hinton

On 20 July 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Alistair Hinton, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Alistair Hinton persuaded composer Kaikhosru Sorabji to relax the ban he had placed on performance of his music, including the four-hour Opus clavicembalisticum? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Alistair Hinton. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Good to relax bans ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:46, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks Gerda for your assistance in getting this here.--Smerus (talk) 18:53, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

My pleasure, learning, - I had no idea of both personalities, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:28, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorabji is tremendous. My friend Jonathan Powell is giving the first ever performance later this year of the 6 hour "Piano Symphony no. 6".--Smerus (talk) 19:43, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Your friend is interesting, too. I added him here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:51, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks - here's the world premiere of his Violin Sonata at Levoca a couple of years ago. The page turner by the way is Morgan Hayes, another good composer (without a WP article .... yet).--Smerus (talk) 19:59, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Emailed!Tibetan Prayer 20:59, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Fatinitza

Thank you for your help with this. It's my first new article in a while, so it's great to get a little help. Adam Cuerden 12:59, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

A pleasure!--Smerus (talk) 13:08, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

NeilN 21:04, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Mega-Templates - Mozart & Beethoven

Based on a recent suggestion by Gerda Arendt for a "collapsible" type of mega-template for Mozart in a recent Mozart Template Discussion, I created a "Collapsible Version" Mozart Mega-Template - and a similar "Collapsible Version" Beethoven Mega-Template - if interested, and if possible, your comments, objections and related on the talk pages about the newly created templates would be appreciated - thanks in any regards - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 12:25, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Alkan fragment

Hi! I noticed your comments in a discussion a while ago on manuscripts from the British Library. I just wrote a piece based on the Alkan string quartet fragent (British Library shelfmark: Hirsch IV.1455, f. 10v) and as I have a typeset version of the fragment I was wondering if you were interested! As I haven't looked at the original myself (a friend who works there typeset the manuscript to begin with) I am not sure if I have the whole thing (I have the first six measures - but is it the whole thing?) but I can send that over if you are interested! Let me know! :) ¬ laonikoss 16:14, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether to reply here or on my page? I presume here you will get notified.

Yes, it's quite funny you mention that concert - it's part-organised by a good friend who also commissioned me to write a piece for it, so actually my (newly finished) composition will be part of that concert :)

I'll upload the original to IMSLP/Petrucci soon and I'll send you a link, I just need to touch it up a bit. ¬ laonikoss 20:04, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

No infobox

Your interpretation of my entry "No infobox" on the Wagner talk as "demanding an infobox" (as done on arb evidence) is absurd. It's about the opposite, do I have to explain that to the arbs, or will you change your wording? I can't study the rest of your entry now, off for real life. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:18, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Ah, Gerda - 'Ceci n'est pas une pipe', as others have pointed out.--Smerus (talk) 17:29, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Those who pointed made the same mistake. True, I would have liked an infobox but, also true, I saw no chance with the current - how I should I call them? I am working on evidence that deserves the name ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:33, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

On the other hand, I have given you strong credit for your positive contributions - Now just listening to Siegfried being broadcast from London.--Smerus (talk) 19:41, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Looking forward to your strong credit, - but the opening is so "unbelievable" in the true sense of the word, - how will the arbs believe the rest of it? Happy listening! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:49, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to intrude again: "This is a weaselly evasion of the clear spirit of the ruling." is also unbelievable. The spirit of the ruling is not so "clear" for me. The "ruling" was meant to prevent Andy from changing the FA (itself) on the day of TFA and before (nomination and scheduling). Otherwise the spirit said clearly: "There is nothing at all in the topic ban that says Andy is banned from the talk page of the FA of the day and the talk pages of any articles nominated or scheduled as FA of the day, nor from any pages in the Misplaced Pages, Misplaced Pages Talk, User, User Talk or indeed anything other than the main article name space. The ban is unhelpful as it's unclear and it allows pretty rubbish interpretations, but as it stands, Andy has violated no part of the topic ban as it stands and will not be blocked (not that he would be blocked assuming he had violated anything, blocks are preventative, not punitive and we would not take action against infractions in April and May when we are now almost into July). I've asked for clarification on the namespace(s) in which the topic ban should apply at WP:AN. Thanks all.". (AN/I), "Clarified, move along. It appears the matter has in fact been clarified, Andy is not banned from any talk pages by the scope of that topic ban." (AN). Is that not clear enough? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:12, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

You see, Gerda, what is clear is that on some matters we have very different opinions. That's life. If you disagree withwhat I say, you are free to argue it in the arb discussion. I won't complain.--Smerus (talk) 20:17, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Do you see that the quotes come from two admins, not me? Andy did not breach his topic ban, period. No different views of that fact are possible. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:49, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK

Did you know this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, don't understand.--Smerus (talk) 21:56, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Did you know about this edit summary? Toccata quarta (talk) 03:25, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

What about it? More specifically, why a thread on my talkpage about it? There is enough clutter here altready without samples of the hysteria of third parties.--Smerus (talk) 05:07, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

So you did not know that I listened to Götterdämmerung from Bayreuth yesterday. Hysteria? Sorry, I don't understand ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:46, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

My question was obviously directed at Gerda. Toccata quarta (talk) 06:34, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Apologies TQ, I now understand the intent of your contribution which initially mystified me - I am not too awake this morning, too much travelling. The hysteria was the bizarre comment of Melodia. But Gerda, what on earth are you going on about? You are giving me cause for concern!--Smerus (talk) 07:52, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

I am not going about something, I just didn't know until yesterday that GFHandel was not the only victim of the the so-called Wagner affair, and wondered if you knew sooner. Discovered today: "There are few things that can't be fixed by a dose of calmness and reasoned debate.". Let's ban hysteria ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:05, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

GFHandel left during the Bach infobox discussion, not the Wagner one. Toccata quarta (talk) 09:32, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

You are right, thank you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:41, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Useless items of decor

Am I right that "useless items of decor", as mentioned on Fatinitza, refers to infoboxes? If that's what they are, why do you fight them? Among other things, they ARE decorative, why not keep that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:23, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Ask questions relating to articles on their talkpages, not here.--Smerus (talk) 08:32, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

It seemed much more related to your personal general thinking, which I at times have trouble to understand, than any specific article. I drop the question. Congratulations to your FA, well deserved! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda!!!--Smerus (talk) 14:03, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Alkan FA

Sincerest congratulations! I take my earlier comment back (that he might not get it before his 200th). :-) Double sharp (talk) 13:30, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks!!!--Smerus (talk) 14:04, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

August 2013

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