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GHeb article tagging

As a co-author, how do you want to handle the unbalanced tag on Gospel of the Hebrews? John Carter's tag-spamming follows a predictable pattern of disruption. It is a clear case of ignoring the input from the recent content RfC, which reaffirmed the previous consensus, and edit-warring against that consensus. Ignocrates (talk) 01:09, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

John Carter's concerns can be handled on Hebrew Gospel hypothesis - there could be a hatnote on Gospel of the Hebrews directing readers to the other related articles (Ebionites, Nazoreans, and Hypothesis). I'm about to undertake a fair amount of air travel (hate it - like to arrive, but not to get there) so will be more or less out of touch for a few days. PiCo (talk) 03:01, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that's another way to resolve the dispute that would work. As of now, the article is pointing to the History of scholarship section of the Jewish-Christian gospels article. Ignocrates (talk) 13:29, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

And that pointer is insufficient to meet guidelines, as I have pointed out on the talk page, I believe more than once, that pointer, wherever it is, does not meet the standards of WP:SPINOUT. PiCo, I regret that the often infantile behavior which unfortunately is to be expected from one party has spilled out to your talk page. I do hope that you have been looking at the noticeboards where one editor who recently took shots at you is being bereated rather soundly. If, by chance, that person's conduct played a role in your retirement, I think there is a very real chance that that person will not be a problem much longer. John Carter (talk) 16:27, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

That's a curious argument to make since Jewish-Christian gospels is the parent article and Gospel of the Hebrews is the WP:SPINOUT from that article. Face it John Carter, you are synonymous with Randy from Boise - the archetypal editor who literally knows nothing about the subject - yet you continue to pick at a point relentlessly that can be rather easily be resolved in multiple ways that would receive majority support. Ignocrates (talk) 16:49, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Ignocrates, as can be seen by the fact that you chose to make this comment here, where it does no good, instead of making a reasonable comment in response on the article talk page, it is you who are apparently indulging in sheer bullshit for the purposes of WP:STONEWALL and WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. If you consider the article to be a spinout, then by all means, as per guidelines, it should probably then include a hatnote at the top of the article, "see main article Jewish Christian gospels". I realize you have little familiarity with basic rationality, as, basically, your entire history of editing betrays that. It works both ways. And I also note once again how you indulge in your apparent telepathy in the above comment, indicating that the psychoic Ignocrates can read minds, and know what will and will not get support in advance. LOL. John Carter (talk) 17:03, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

PiCo, I checked the article history of all four Jewish-Christian gospel articles. The articles on the three individual gospels were all created independently. Both the Gospel of the Ebionites and the Gospel of the Nazoraeans were created as stubs in mid-2005. The Gospel of the Hebrews stub was created in 2004. Links between the three stubs were added a bit later in 2005. The Jewish-Christian gospels article was created in 2007. Although it was created last, it appears that the intent was always for the Jewish-Christian gospels article to serve as an overview that linked to specific details in the three individual gospel articles. I don't see how WP:SPINOUT applies here. Therefore, hatnotes should not be required, but I don't have a problem with using them either. Ignocrates (talk) 03:47, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages should be the perfect laboratory for students of source criticism.

It's not so much that hatnotes are required, as that they're useful. PiCo (talk) 04:12, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

GAN discussions

Pyrotec has indicated he will be finished with the review of the GHeb article shortly, so we will need to be prepared to respond to his requests for changes (if any). As co-nominators of the article, we should have a talk page space where the two of us can discuss sources and specific changes to the wording of the article to meet GA criteria. Where would you like to have those 1-on-1 discussions (i.e. your place or mine, or the article talk page)? Ignocrates (talk) 01:08, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Here is fine. PiCo (talk) 01:53, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Very good. If you can take the lead on crafting the additional wording (or rewording), I will track down any sources we might need. Let's put the revised content supported by references in final form here before we migrate it to the article. Ignocrates (talk) 03:23, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

You can contact me also on alex.masterley@yahoo.com (no, my name isn't Alex Masterley). PiCo (talk) 04:13, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

• Hi PiCo. I did not contact you before, as you asked me to do, as there was nothing that needed any input. I've now effectively finished the review and I've added a few comments only in respect of minor changes(?) to the lead and other place(s). The article in its current form is basically a GA, perhaps a bit higher, but I think the lead could be tweaked a bit. I might be wrong in what I'm suggesting, so if I'm completely wrong tell me so on the /GA1 page and I award GA-status, otherwise every thing else is up for discussion on the /GA1 page. However, there is the problem of that "flag". I don't really like flags, but it all seems quiet at the moment on that front (well to me). Pyrotec (talk) 19:59, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Scots

Scots is recognised as a language by the United Kingdom government under the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.239.127.241 (talk) 12:11, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

The United Kingdom Government isn't an authority on linguistics - it's not a reliable source, as Misplaced Pages uses the term, for this subject.PiCo (talk) 16:51, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Linguists usually refer to language varieties and avoid language/dialect distinctions as there is no definitive scientific test to define which varieties are languages or dialects. Who would you consider an acceptable authority? The best of the public or yourself perhaps? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.239.127.241 (talk) 19:30, 11 September 2013 (UTC)