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illustrates you don't even read articles and have a poor understanding of English. We frown against short stray sentences and if you think "t Nonnetje is a member of ] since 2009" vs "t Nonnetje has been a member of ] since 2009" is not constructive you have no place editing English wikipedia. "Is" is present tense and "since" is past tense, you don't put them together like that. Similarly your "] of '''t Nonnetje'' is ]", you address a person to start the sentence as ''the'', it isn't in note form. Try to start assuming good faith and actually examine what edits have been made huh? I think you think I'm picking on you but I'm really not, I appreciate the work you do on restaurants and the minor copy edits I made weren't in anyway meant to attack the article or you and I wouldn't have even mentioned anything here but for your blind revert and edit summary indicating that I'm some form of vandal... ♦ ] 12:17, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

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List of Canadians by Net Worth

Seeking opinion... Since you hate lists so much (Ahem, Travelers' Century Club), can you take a look at this... List of Canadians by net worth? Single source, the actual info behind the paywall, etc. Would it not constitute a copyvio?Truther2012 (talk) 21:23, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Brilliant, you really did not understand my point.
And as far as I can see, no copyvio. Although I can not see how the original list looks like, it is clear that this list is derived from a top 100 (A list of the 100 richest people in Canada as of October 2011 is available at Canadian Business.) The Banner talk 21:57, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Apparently, so. Maybe I'm missing your derived comment - the list has to be the same down to the order of the names, by definition... Truther2012 (talk) 21:26, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

True, but the author of the article made a choice and started working with a selection. The Banner talk 21:32, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

So as long as it is not the entire 'Top 100' it's ok? Truther2012 (talk) 21:37, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

No, not exactly. You must put in a reasonable amount of originality. A straight copy, like for example your lists at Travelers' Century Club, are still a nono. The Banner talk 21:43, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Truther2012 (talk) 21:53, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

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Dear The Banner, very thanks for the help by the Article Berliner Tageszeitung, I improve them. IrynaGruschwytsch (talk) 15:55, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you very much for reviewing my article List of Marquises in Italy, it has been a hard and long work and obviously plenty of mistakes I could not fix. Vadsf (talk) 22:39, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

List of Marquises in Italy

Thank you very much for reviewing my article List of Marquises in Italy, it has been a hard work and obviously plenty of mistakes I could not fix.

As far as links to disambiguation pages are concerned, I think I fixed them all now, either by linking to the exact page or by canceling the link if the page I meant does not yet exist: could you please see if the {dablinks} can be consequently removed?

As for the need for copy edit, I had problems with tables: everything inside is in bold, as you see. I could not fix this, if you can help me I would really appreciate. The article is a copy-paste from a word document I have been writing for a couple of months, since I did not want to publish anything fully incomplete: marquesses could get quite upset they happen to see their region missing! :) --Vadsf (talk) 22:43, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

I have checked it and corrected a few minor mistakes. But for the rest is the article okay. Zero links left to disambiguation pages. The Banner talk 23:25, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you again! Now I'll look for a possible category. --Vadsf (talk) 18:48, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

User:Tekken ReBirth 2nd:Revenge of the Academic listed at Redirects for discussion

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Rick Stein

Can you please explain the relevance criteria for biographical articles, thanks.Sealman (talk) 20:30, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

What makes you think that his tutors for a degree in English Language are relevant for a head chef? For an author it can have some relevance, but not for a chef. Only his degree is worth mentioning. The Banner talk 19:52, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
I take your point but I added the information on the basis that early life associations with other notable people can intrinsically be of interest. I was prompted to ask the question because your edit summary was limited to the words 'revert irrelevant additions' without an acknowledgement that they were added in good faith.Sealman (talk) 22:25, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
In case of clear bad faith addition I always use the word "vandalism" or "vandalism?". That was loud and clear not the case. The Banner talk 21:34, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Elite Traveler

Hello The Banner - I noticed that you removed references to Elite Traveler Magazine in a dozen or so articles. Perhaps you don't realize that this is an actual bona fide print magazine, and a clearly eligible citation for Misplaced Pages, see WP:RS. Your edits to the magazine's article on Misplaced Pages seemed to launch your process, and I agree that it lacked proper references itself. For convenience, I have undone your blanket removals. I have not considered the merits of your removals of the word Elite from other articles. Best regards,--Nixie9✉ 03:31, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

A magazine that is launching spamrun after spamrun is not a bona fide magazine. The Banner talk 09:35, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Please educate me, what is a spamrun? How does Elite Traveler not comply with WP:RS?. FYI they are to be accepted. Is there another standard that you personally prefer to use?--Nixie9✉ 22:58, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
See here and give special attention to the edits of the named spammers. And in most cases (not all, I have to admit) I removed double or superfluous references, with no real extra value.The Banner talk 23:05, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
I made a comment at the spam link you mentioned re this magazine as a WP:RS. I believe that a more circumspect process is required, for example in Nicole Farhi, you removed the citation, but not the clearly factual content that it referenced regarding the launch of a new partnership. Same pattern in Arcadia Watches referencing the # of employees, Damien Dernoncourt referencing the CEO's name, Sonu Shivdasani referencing the designer's country of birth, PUNTACANA Resort and Club referencing the owners and their WP articles, etc. Despite questionable referencing by potential bad faith editors, the legitimacy of Elite Traveler as a WP:RS seems indisputable (it is a real print magazine with reporters, editors and fact checkers). I believe that factual citations should not be removed, and that you risk legitimate WP:POV criticism. I'm all in favor of reducing hyperbole, but we need to be more selective. --Nixie9✉ 23:34, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

WT:Food

Note: There is also a proposal at the page regarding the Sandbox 2 page, initiated by another editor. I've moved the discussion thread you contributed to directly below the first proposal. (It's possible you didn't see the first proposal, so sending you this message). Thanks for your input there. Northamerica1000 05:45, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello Banner, I wanted to let you know what is going on with this proposal of of Northamerica1000 for the main page of the Food and drink project. A few months ago, The Potato Hose, started a discussion about the future of the project. Several suggestions were made and I listed a few of the problems I have had with the main page which had been completely rewritten by North several months ago into the format it is now in. I set out to work on the site and one of the things I did was create a redesign of the main page. I have progressed to the point that I needed to do a live test as well needed comments from others on where I should go with the new design.
About two weeks ago I made an announcement of my intentions, albeit the announcement was not as clear as it should have been. On the first of this month I went through with the change and was promptly reverted by North. I again placed the page design up with a very explicit explanation of what I was doing, that it was a temporary change to seek input from the community regarding my proposed changes and North reverted me again. He refused to participate in the discussion and stated he had a consensus that allowed him to revert any of my changes. Based on his behavior in this incident and several others in the past regarding this same behavior, I reported him to the edit warring noticboard. Once I made the report, he started this whole new line of behavior.
All I was seeking was An RfC about a possible design change to the main page, and it has turned into the current fiasco. His proposed design change is nothing more than the current page formatted with the design cues I created to frame the design I had created. He has turned the RfC I was seeking into his personal side show designed to impose his personal preferences on the page.
Sorry about the screed, I am just frustrated to hell regarding the way he has acted in regards to this situation. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 11:32, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I had seen the edit warring earlier and was quite annoyed by it...
And yes, your design is better and less cluttered. More is not always better. The Banner talk 11:49, 4 September 2013 (UTC) And for Northamerica1000: Jeremy and I are not friends due to his "disliking" of Michelin starred restaurants what is one of my major writing fields. (Now a bit on hold because my major sources disappeared behind a paywall.)

The Signpost: 04 September 2013

Civility

Please don't remind me about edit warring when I'm not.

Please don't remove links from pages. If you want to correct the link to another page, do so. In the meantime, leave the link to the disambigution page so someone else can sort it if need be. Barney the barney barney (talk) 22:44, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

You reverted three times now, that is close enough to editwarring to give a warning... Why don't you clean up your own mess? The Banner talk 22:48, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

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inre Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/No Alternative Media Group

Looks like the nomination shook out a few puppets. Schmidt, 08:33, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that looks likely to me. The Banner talk 09:06, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Hollathag shows a deeply worrying edit-pattern. Among others, self-inventing quality ratings for his articles (B-class) and uploading copyright protect pictures. The Banner talk 09:48, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Yes... further signs of an inexperienced editor who does not understand the rules. Schmidt, 10:24, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Hmmm, Hollathag is active on WP since 2008! The Banner talk 10:38, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

SPI on Ansegam

Hi, I opened a sockpuppet investigation on Ansegam here. Thought you might want to present or possibly refute evidence, but either way thought you might want to be involved. Microphonics 16:53, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Due to earlier conversations I assume that Ansegam en the IP are identical. My polite question was a way to give an escape way.
Around 2 August I revert a number of edits from the IP but it was Ansegam who showed up on my talkpage (User talk:The Banner/Archives/2013/August#About your comment about an article I wrote), complaining about the revert. In his reply, he mentioned a book and I have always had the idea that he was copying that book... The Banner talk 19:48, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
I honestly don't think he understands Misplaced Pages at all. He appears to be paraphrasing an entire huge book into Misplaced Pages without actual encyclopaedic style. It just seems mad. What does he hope to achieve, exactly? I'm not even sure whether he's doing it for the benefits of others or not – if he is, he certainly doesn't understand what readers of Misplaced Pages want, or what Misplaced Pages as an encyclopaedia wants... Annoying thing is, he could probably be a very successful writer on Misplaced Pages as he appears to understand sourcing and stuff very well. Perhaps he simply needs to be strictly taught to stop overdoing things. Regards, Microphonics 17:34, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) perhaps somebody could WP:ADOPT Ansegam. He obviously edits in good faith and knows how to source statements and adoption could turn him into a better editor. W. A. Bulatovic (talk) 10:25, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Ansegam. Well, perhaps The Banner is right in his accusations, but, as Bulatovic says, I didn't write that article to "troll" the Misplaced Pages; quite the contrary, I made the mistake of writing excessive information because I wanted to write an article that could satisfy everyone's needs, and give the information about the historical inheritance system that he or she could want from any culture. Obviously, that's an ideal impossible to fulfill, but I had that ideal in mind when I wrote my article. You say that such style is "un-encyclopedical" and you are probably right, but I am a little too perfectionistic and couldn't resist the urge to make an article as perfect and complete as possible. Of course, with all the discomfort I have caused among some editors, I won't add any more information to my article, nor will I write any article so long again. I apologise for not understanding Misplaced Pages's quality standards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ansegam (talk • contribs) 15:58, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment. I don't even think anybody believes that your intention was anything related to trolling — in fact, quite the contrary, considering the sheer volume of information you contributed. I see now that perhaps the AfD was an unnecessary and mistaken action, but in any case something needed to be done. Whether the article is deleted or not, I hope that you will contribute to future subdivided — key word here — articles on the subject once the dispute is resolved. As I have previously stated, I believe that despite your disaster of an article you could become a successful editor, and Bulatovic believes so too. Regards, Microphonics 16:45, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
The main problem is not as much the information you have put in the article, it is the way you present it. That is why I was asking to split the article up in several smaller articles. There is nothing wrong with a "article-subarticle" style for the presentation. The main article gives a brief overview over the info and from there you point to several other articles with more detailed information. Articles like "List of people using patrilineal primogeniture", "Historical inheritance systems in Africa", "Historical inheritance systems in Asia" and so on. No information will be lost but it will be present in a more convenient way. The Banner talk 19:54, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
Yes, this sums up all our thoughts precisely. That's the great thing about Misplaced Pages; you can present hefty amounts of information in very palatable and convenient ways. Writing a huge essay like that is just a waste of the opportunity! Microphonics 16:23, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Schools' notability

Just a friendly word that I find your comments in the current discussion are no longer constructive. If you would like a reasonable outcome to these discussions on school notability, please consider helping to keep them on an even keel. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:41, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it is fully understandable that you don't like opposition that blows away your cosy dreams. The Banner talk 08:12, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 11 September 2013

Miss Commonwealth Beauty Pageant

Thanks for your clean-up of Miss Multiverse and its related pages. Now, we are facing another same case of Miss Commonwealth Beauty Pageant, its author tried to make his/her beauty pageant become important and the same quality of premier and long history pageants of Miss Universe or Miss World (evidence). I really appreciate your hard work here. Best regards. Angelo De La Paz (talk) 23:37, 15 September 2013 (UTC) Hello,

I notice that the Miss Commonwealth Pageant has been tagged for deletion-to clarify these it is difficult to get direct information in relation to the peagant because most of the girls who participate have different titles from other peagants/or are models example girls contsesting for 'our world of beauty'http://our-worldofbeauty.com/beauty-pageants/miss-commonwealth-portugal-2013/ get to represent the country in the finals at miss commonwealth and that is why they call it "investiture ceremony".It has a long history http://www.thebahamasweekly.com/publish/news/Bahamas_Queens_at_Miss_World_1966_-_2010_-_Miss_World_60th_Anniversary12663.shtml especially in the bahamas and caribbean, and has evolved to a more a stable platform in the past few years. Hope this gives some clarity? Thanks

deefaith — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deefaith (talk • contribs) 15:46, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

When you have no indepent and reliable information, you should not write the article. Simple is that. The Banner talk 16:16, 16 September 2013 (UTC)