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World Cup Appearances

In the column on the right it says that Australia has appeared in 3 world cups and 1 Asian cup. Shouldn't it be 2 and 1? Or if qualification for a tournament counts as appearing in it then shouldn't it say 3 world cups and 2 Asian cups? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Superawesomee (talk • contribs) 06:04, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

I've changed WC appearances to 2. Camw (talk) 06:15, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Surely 1974, 2006 and 2010 makes three. HiLo48 (talk) 08:53, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

The comment you are replying to is almost 2 years ago, prior to the 2010 World Cup. At the time 2 was correct as the third appearance had not occurred. I believe the article has correctly reflected the 3 appearances for some time. Camw (talk) 09:07, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Yeah. Sorry. I was fooled by a seeming new edit to this section (according to the article history), which was really a new section in the wrong place. I've moved that new section to the right place. HiLo48 (talk) 09:12, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

No harm done ;) Camw (talk) 09:14, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Just leave it alone for a while!

There seem to be a number of editors of this article obsessed with always being the first with the news about a change in team selection, and slightly modifying the formatting to suit their own preferences. Firslty, it's not really that important to reflect every team change the moment it happens. The logical consequence of current practice is to update the article with substitutions while gamses are on! Secondly, can you all just pause the updates a little and agree on a format that will be used for the next several years?

The frequency and purpose of current changes is just ridiculous. HiLo48 (talk) 02:30, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Article claims Mark Viduka avabile for selection!

The article claims that Mark Viduka (in the captains) that he s still available for selection! This is clearly not true, I do believe Pim has claimed Viduka's international days to be other, so I removed the bold from his name!

Simba1409 (talk) 22:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Media coverage

The entry says....

Games are mostly broadcasted by SBS and Fox Sports Australia. Audience for games has soared since the Socceroos historic victory over Uruguay.

In the United States, qualifiers are broadcasted by Fox Soccer Channel.

We have bad grammar (broadcasted), obvious POV (soared....historic), and Fox Soccer in the USA (for Australian soccer?)

OK, I can fix the bad grammar, but I think everything after the first sentence should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HiLo48 (talk • contribs)

• The section needs work certainly. As for the Fox Soccer Channel, they do show Asian world cup qualifiers (see here for an example) but it is only borderline relevant, I guess it doesn't cause any harm as long as it gets referenced. Camw (talk) 00:57, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
• I expanded the section a small amount with some referenced notes, but it still needs work. Camw (talk) 01:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Better now, certainly.  :-) HiLo48 (talk) 01:23, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Why show players' ages?

We list the dates of birth. They don't change. But ages can be wrong by tomorrow. Or today, if the enthusiast who adds a particular player forgets to come back on his birthday and update his age. Just silly. It guarantees that this article will be wrong from time to time. Anyone with half a brain can work out someone's age from his date of birth. How about we drop the ages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by HiLo48 (talk • contribs)

The age is actually calculated automatically by the template based on the birthday so there are no concerns about them being out of date. Camw (talk) 02:34, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Clever! HiLo48 (talk) 06:07, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Shortening and cleaning up this article

It seems to me that this article is getting very long and has a lot of very detailed information about the last 5 years in the Socceroos history, but that is only a short part of their history. I think the history section needs to be shortened (If you want all the detail about Germany 2006 (and other recent campaigns), maybe that should be a separate page?). Surely the 'player drain' section doesn't need to list all the players in the main article (again I suggest a separate page). All the records in the tables can probably be summarized and some of the details (which I agree really need to be here as they are very interesting) moved to separate pages. IMO This page should really be just a summary of what the Socceroos are, an overview of their history, and some of their important records and other stats - more detailed info should be broken off into other pages. If this page keeps getting updated with heaps of detail about their 2010 WC Campaign and their 2011 Asian Cup campaign it's just going to get more and more messy.

Also, the pages with all the Socceroos results (season 2005, 2006...) need to be linked from this page I think - or maybe just one link to a "Socceroos Results" page, which then links to the other seasons. There should also be a page with all their past shirts - would be interesting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.168.108.56 (talk) 12:05, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Agree with everything you propose - I had intentions of doing / proposing similar but it is a huge task and never had the time to do so. Good luck. 203.214.145.228 (talk) 12:03, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Popularity increase in lead

We are told that "World Cup qualification in 2006 has seen Australian association football increase considerably in domestic popularity and in international competitiveness."

Really?

This is precisely the kind of weaselish claim that must have good sources, or it must go.

HiLo48 (talk) 05:15, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Just remove it. — Martin tamb (talk) 07:39, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Team Colours

This article is semi-protected, so I can't delete the Swedish away team colours. Someone else take care of that, eh? Humans who have seen an Australian national sport team play in something other than green and gold = 0. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.64.16.12 (talk) 12:44, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Erm yes i have seen the Australian team play in all kinds of kit designs that are not just green and gold... and not royal blue either ;) --203.36.215.153 (talk) 04:47, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

The name and redirecting

Why on earth do we have to call it association football when clearly it is football under the same wiki editing as 99% of national teams on here?--203.36.215.153 (talk) 09:58, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

The title is a compromise and corresponds with the main en.wiki article on the sport, Association football. See the talk page and FAQ there for more. Camw (talk) 10:20, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

is this to appease the aussie rules users on this place? for goodness sake...--124.169.43.115 (talk) 11:58, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

It's because in Australia there are four distinct professional sports called football by their fans at least some of the time, along with at least two others not played professionally. For any one of these to be called football in Misplaced Pages would create confusion. As for your slight against Aussie rules fans, it has to be acknowledged that that sport achieved popular use of the word football in the areas where it is popular long before the round ball code was played there. The language used in Misplaced Pages has to reflect that. It's just a reality. HiLo48 (talk) 16:47, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Cristiano Ronaldo

I have removed the claim that Cristiano Ronaldo was eligible for Australian selection. Under the FIFA Statutes he was never eligible as his grandparents, while now Australian citizens, were not born in Australia. Hack (talk) 03:51, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Number of caps

I noticed a few things:

1. Schwarzer (who reached 88 caps and #1 position today) was updated in infobox, but not in "most capped" section below.
2. "Most capped" section header said it was updated 12 Jan 2011, when the individual rows for Schwarzer, Neill and Emerton state last cap was 25 January 2011.

I've assumed the table is correct to 25 Jan, and have +1 to the three players above. This may need to be confirmed. I haven't touched the "captains" list as it says it was lasted updated in September 2010 and I'm not sure of the exact number. -- Chuq (talk) 17:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: pages not moved per lack of consensus below. - GTBacchus 22:14, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

• Australia national association football team → Australia men's national association football team
• List of Australia national football team results → List of men's Australia national football team results
• Australia national association football team all time record → Australia men's national association football team all time record
• Australia national under-17 association football team → Australia men's national under-17 association football team
• Australia national under-20 association football team → Australia men's national under-20 association football team
• Australia Olympic football team → Australia men's Olympic football team

– Australia has two senior level association football/soccer/football teams. One team is a men's team. The other team is a women's team. The lack of a clear gender identifier makes it difficult for readers to instantly know the topic of the article, because which of the two national teams the article is about is not specified in the article name. This would make it more clear. LauraHale (talk) 22:22, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• Support, avoiding gender bias requires us to disambiguate national sports teams. Powers 01:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose use "soccer" instead of "association football". The main article is called Soccer in Australia.

70.24.248.237 (talk) 08:40, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

• • Comment that piece of vandalism is "only for now". In any event there is no ambiguity. Silent Billy (talk) 12:35, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
• Comment. Per the recent consensus at Talk:Soccer in Australia#Requested move, these article should all use "soccer" instead of "association football". As to the issue of inserting "men's" into the titles, I'm torn. One could easily argue that the men's teams are the primary topics (e.g. when someone says "the Australian soccer team", they are referring to the men's team at least nine times out of ten), yet on the other hand, it would be a step forward in combatting Misplaced Pages's systematic bias. I would also note that, looking at Category:National association football teams, no other national soccer/football team article uses "men's" in the title. Perhaps it would be better to discuss this on a larger scale than just Australia (after all, consistency is one of the principle naming criteria)? Jenks24 (talk) 09:40, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose pending a topic-wide consensus on this issue. I do have some sympathy with the argument made by LT Powes—the current arrangement is blatanly gender-biased language. On the other hand, WP:COMMONNAME would suggest that references to the "Australian football soccer team" would overwhelmingly refer to the men's team, so I am not so convinced about the nominator's concerns. On the other issue, clearly given the result at Talk:Soccer in Australia#Requested move and the subsequent mass renaming of categories that has since taken place, this article should be at Australia national soccer team. Yes, it is a silly and needlessly insulting name, but the decision has already been made and now we need to deal with the inevitable consequences, such as this. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 00:37, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
  • I take a different view. Soccer is the name within Australia, but football is the international name. Association football is really nothing much at all. Nobody uses that name in practice. So, I'd like to see the national team described as a football team (not Association football). As for the gender thing, explictly saying Mens and Womens makes sense to me. But I have an outstanding query, which I posted on the Talk page of someone who has since posted in this thread, so he has chosen to ignore me. Puzzling. It's about this "insulting" claim. I just don't get it. It's the common name of the sport everywhere in Victoria. It's not an insult here. Where and how is it insulting? (This is a genuine question. I am not trying to be provocative. Just trying to understand.) HiLo48 (talk) 00:57, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Comment -I haven't ignored you I am just getting some examples together for you. In the meantime how is your point about the alleged usages in Victoria relevant to Misplaced Pages. Wp is international not provincial. I mean do we have to rename swimsuit to "bathers" because that is in common usage in Victoria? Are folks in the jewel of the Hunter going to be forced to use a flat "a" when telling of their home town instead of a broad one simply because it is anathema to those south of the Barassi line? Silent Billy (talk) 03:31, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I repeat. This is a genuine question. I am not trying to be provocative. Just trying to understand. Please show some good faith. HiLo48 (talk) 10:02, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• Question: Whether or not the article is called association football team or soccer team, can this particular rename focus on the gender in the article name issue, with the association football/soccer issue being resolved in a separate rename request? -- LauraHale (talk) 01:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
  • The soccer/football issue has already been resolved, so there's not much more to discuss. On the gender issue, I would suggest going with Mattinbgn's suggestion to get a topic-wide consensus on the gender issue. IMHO, it would be better to go top-down, rather than bottom-up arguing every step of the way. Jenks24 (talk) 13:38, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
    • About half the men's national teams articles already have men in the article name in Category:Men's national sports teams of Australia. I think, with the exception of netball and national teams by gender based events like tennis and golf, women are already gendered. I can do a rename proposal that includes the rest of those articles for men's teams that aren't gendered like their female counterparts. --LauraHale (talk) 14:31, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
      • Apologies, I should have been clearer. I meant a discussion involving all articles in the subcats of Category:National association football teams. I don't see how Australia would be any different 99% of other nations. Jenks24 (talk) 14:49, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose - This change would set a precedent and therefore affect more than just Australian articles; therefore, I believe the discussion ought to take place at a more centralised location (e.g. WT:FOOTY). – PeeJay 00:13, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose. As morally commendable as the proposal may be, and IMO it is, this is not the place to promote such a change in English usage. Currently, the Australian Cricket Team is the men, the Australian Women's Cricket Team is the other. The same with soccer. No, this is not right. But it is reality. For better or for worse, Misplaced Pages's policy is to follow the reality rather than the ideal. Andrewa (talk) 09:05, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose - current title is an accurate reflection of the article's references. As Andrewa said, such is the way of the English language. On the bright side, it lets us keep a more concise title. Arbitrarily0  19:48, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

zullo at everton

why does it say michael zullo plays for everton he does not he plays for utrecht and it says everywhere else he plays for utrecht including his wikipedia page and i cant find anything for him playing at everton. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.108.131.8 (talk) 02:25, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Player Drain

Is this seriously required? I'm sure many other countries have players born there that have chosen to play for other countries. This is not unique to Australia at all. Or how about make it fair and have a list of non-Australian born players that have played for Australia. The list will more then double this player drain list. Even currently, Nikita Rukavytsya, Archie Thompson and Neil Kilkenny are playing caps for Australia despite being born overseas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.2.184.150 (talk) 08:31, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

April 2013 clean-up

Hello, I just wanted to let everyone know that I'm attempting to clean-up this article. This involves moving much of the content to separate articles (history, records, managers, etc) and adding more content (team image). I will also be re-wording much of the article, editing templates and tables, moving sections for better reading and attempting to find references. This is all to my preference, so opinions/suggestion are welcome and help would be greatly appreciated in any of the areas. --2nyte (talk) 12:51, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Kits

I was hoping to add all the kits, or at least the most notable ones in the Kit section, though I would need some help. I've added a lot in already, but some could probably be removed if they're not that notable. I don't really know much about the national teams kits and I don't know at all how to make kit patterns, so I would need help. Here are some sources for Australia's kits: theworldgame.sbs.com.au, oldfootballshirts.com, australiansocceroos.com, smh.com.au, Template:Football kit, Template:Football kit/pattern list. Any help would be greatly appreciated. --2nyte (talk) 12:52, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Shirt badge

This was brought up before, though there was no resolution. The logo shown is the logo of the Football Federation, not of the team or any other Australian national football team for that matter. This badge and this badge (the yellow crest with the kangaroo and emu) are both used on the national teams jersey's and I think either one would be a suitable replacement. --2nyte (talk) 05:06, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

The second logo appears only on replica kits. The actual logo used on player shirts is the Australian coat of arms. As far as I can tell from press photos, the FFA logo doesn't appear on the current shirts. Hack (talk) 05:21, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Home stadium

Has anyone told fans outside Sydney that the team's home stadium is Stadium Australia? That's what the Infobox says. Do we have a source for that, or is it just a Sydney based fans' perspective? HiLo48 (talk) 12:22, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Golden era mystery

The text under the heading Golden era begins with "In early 2005, it was thought that FFA had entered into discussions with AFC for Australia to join Asia and leave Oceania." That just reads rather weirdly. I'm not even sure what it's trying to say. Thought by whom? So what? And a few other questions.... It's an odd way to begin a section. What's it really all about? HiLo48 (talk) 07:53, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Soccer? Has it become a non-word?

Are we in complete denial? The only mention of the word soccer in this article is in the contribution of that word to the name of the Socceroos. Now, in line with the resolution of the second most recent attempt to have articles about the sport call the game football rather than soccer, I have no intention of trying to change the name of this article away from "...association football...". That's fine with me. But it seem ridiculous to have an article covering the whole history of the national team, obviously including the time when it was officially known as a soccer team, representing a soccer federation, in a country where many exclusively call the game soccer, and avoid using that word. It's taking the campaign to change the name of the sport in a very artificial and dishonest direction. HiLo48 (talk) 08:04, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

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