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Charlie Sheen photo

No, I don't mind the replacement at all, and thank you for making it; the previous photo was just the first fair-use promotional photo I could find. There were copyright problems with both the Penthouse photo and the subsequent photo on the page; I was looking for pretty much anything where there was a solid case for fair use. --Hyperbole 07:11, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Your edits

I saw a few of your edits show up on my watchlist and took a look at your contributions. Excellent work, it is appreciated very much!

—-- That Guy, From That Show! 2006-04-29 18:34

mmmmm

sockpuppet?--172.128.213.179 01:27, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

mmmm

no, thanks for playing --FairNBalanced 06:16, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

mmm

that's what you said when I asked your last username, admission of guilt it is then--172.149.250.3 23:28, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

mm

"that's what you said when I asked your last username" ... Mr or Ms. Anonymous I.P. show me a link to where you asked me such a question. If you are telling the truth, you will be able to find it. I've never met you before and your very first user contribution shows up on my talk page.

.... you're running out of "m"s

by the way, my new sockpuppet friend, you might consider getting a log-in --FairNBalanced 21:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

cite error on GWB

your citation show up as an error. Kevin Baas 00:06, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I fixed the error before you even left this message... but thanks, drop by any time --FairNBalanced 06:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Welcome and good luck

--Tbeatty 05:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

GW

I'd love to see mention of the CBS scandal, but it'd take a lot of tact to craft objectively.

"Media bias", I have to say again, is completely speculative. The media is biased toward ratings, and allegations of a "liberal media" have no place in a GW bio.DBaba 09:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

49 Nobel laureates, 63 recipients of the National Medal of Science, and 171 members of the National Academy of Sciences--this is not the same thing as a group that is paid to protect the interests of the tobacco and fast foods industries.

You cited a group that is paid to lie to counterpoint an apolitical, absurdly well-qualified collective opinion. If you can find a negative perspective from within the Bush administration, that would warrant inclusion.

Still, you really shouldn't be approaching this as a sacred mission to whitewash the tenure of your hero. This is supposed to be "Fair and Balanced", afterall, and everything you contribute seems to be on the same side of the ball. I'm sure it's just a coincidence, as I have no doubts as to your integrity.

Your fix on the Dan Rather incident is still problematic, because you seem to be attributing an agenda to Dan Rather. This is speculative. Like I said, it needs to be in there, so you're on the right track, but it needs to be even-handed---not naive demonizing of what appeared to be failed journalism.DBaba 18:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Are you saying that 49 Nobel Laureates have day jobs as lobbyists? Really?DBaba 18:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

It only makes sense if you stop fighting against the inclusion of the reference to the laureates. Have you seen the talk page? Kevbo is correct.DBaba 19:01, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Maybe we're on to something here. Are you saying that mention of the report is acceptable to you, alongside mention of the Laureates, if reference to UCS itself is omitted (or simply linked to)? That certainly sounds like a rational solution to your objections to UCS itself, and not the Laureates, as "biased". DBaba 23:14, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Brainstar!

Haha, thanks! You did a great job trying to understand my formatting setup, and I commend you you getting it almost right. ( I just added a line break for clarity and there was one too many td tags The diff Thanks again! --Zsinj 15:11, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Bono wiki edit?

What's a Bono wiki edit? I've never encountered or heard of that term before. --ElKevbo 19:17, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind - I see you've explained on the GWB Talk page. Also, fair warning that you've hit your 3 Revert limit on the GWB page (I'm probably close to it, myself). Time to sit back and let others deal with it for now! :) --ElKevbo 23:43, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

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George W. Bush - there's been an edit war going on there and I noticed your name pop up a few times in there, its a friendly little warning, I promise :o -- Tawker 00:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Calming Down

You've got to relax. You're shooting off reverts without even reading your own changes, and you're firing off comments without even signing them.

You finally caught the Boston Globe para after reverting to it three times, I see. But it's not "good faith" for you to remove it, as long as you're manically partisan in all your edits. Does it seem OK to you that you didn't even read ANY of the reverted versions you inserted? That three times you accidentally inserted someone else's leftist slant in rabidly pursuing your rightist agenda? Doesn't that make you want to calm down, maybe start proofreading?DBaba 15:30, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Incidentally, I don't want to touch your science edits. I want you to fix them.

When you make a contribution like that, you reflect on the quality of your own mind and your own capacity for crafting rational thought. It does come down to "balance", a word you're familiar with. And I'd like you to think about that word, "balance", what it means. See the scales, weighted side to side, balanced?

Look at the science section. Does that appear balanced, physically, visually, intellectually? You've repeatedly, vehemently, asserted your perspective of UCS, a perspective that is completely irrelevant because you seem to concede that it is your own. This isn't about competing perspectives, it's about the most clean and pure perspective we, together, can find.

Do we have balance in the representation of UCS's findings relative to administration rebuttal? Do these quantities balance nicely?

Do we state the number of pages in the UCS document as we do for the rebuttal?

Is 25% of Bush's science policy (1/4 the science section of the bio) summed up in M's rebuttal of what you've repeatedly referred to as a meaningless gesture?

Have you added this text to create a balance, or to celebrate your found counterpoint?

Wouldn't two paragraphs highlighting UCS findings give us a greater balance? Aren't two paragraphs of both findings and rebuttal too much?

DBaba 16:48, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

About the Ali Sina Issue

The part explainin Ali Sina's views was copied from an article from his site, hence the copyvio allegetion. Someone needs to paraphrase it. Some hope it's going to be me. If you can do it, you are more than welcome.

T User:Politicallyincorrectliberal (unsigned)

FnB

Hey champ, you want to do the legwork on Brit Hume? I'll help, at some point, but it's really a mess over there.DBaba 02:27, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Nice. I didn't mean to sound passive-aggressive with the Fox thing, I just meant that it quoted or cited Media Matters about 40 times in a couple paragraphs, and thought you'd help bite into that. Not to mention, the version I started with had some lunatic plugging himself and his "provocative" views. Something to do with Zionism, Clinton, China, and Hume "never returning his phone calls".DBaba 04:52, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

AfD for Right- and Left- wing terrorism articles - have your say

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No Marxism template

G'day FairNBalanced,

yes. See WP:CSD, specifically T1. That the template must not exist has been confirmed repeatedly after review by several admins and a trip to DRV. There is at least one user, Constanz (talk · contribs), who insists on re-creating it anyway. When this happens, it is deleted again, for the same reason it was deleted in the first place.

If you'd like to display a Marxism-related template that has some bearing on the encyclopaedia, you might like to consider creating something that cannot be considered divisive or inflammatory, and directly relates to your interest and possible expertise in the area: "This user is interested in discussing Marxism", perhaps, or "This user edits articles related to Marxism", or "This user is knowledgeable about the issues surrounding Marxism", or ... well, the possibilities are nearly endless. "This user is/is not opposed to Marxism", however, is clearly inappropriate. Thanks for your time, fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 19:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

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Joturner

Thought you might be interested to have a look at . -- Karl Meier 09:29, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

No hard feelings

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Hostile message?

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It was included under Fair Use per the author, see description--FairNBalanced 17:57, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

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You may want to join the conversation over here and express your view on this category for deletion discussion. Netscott 07:06, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

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I appreciate your sense of humor here particularly because I'm accused often enough of being "islamophobic" (remember I'm the one who initiated the Category for deletion for the category named "islamophobia"). Those that have accused me of "islamophobia" will probably grin when they see that diff. Netscott 18:46, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Unfoturnately, I've had my own run in with falling afoul of WP:FU. Netscott 18:49, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

FME? FU2! j/k ;) --FairNBalanced 18:55, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that is an odd combo of letters for a Misplaced Pages guideline (I falsely referred to it as "policy" in my editorial comment) and I've heard others make a similar joke about it. Regarding Ali Sina, you should know that I may end up supporting the idea of Ali Sina as secular humanist. I'm doing some research now to verify that info one way or another, I've yet to determine it. There are some Misplaced Pages policies that will likely apply in this case that will actually support your editing. Netscott 19:15, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you ...

...for your very nice comment. Another thing is that I noticed that you actually do a lot of good and very much needed work around here, so I thought I'd give you a rotating barnstar for it. Please, keep up the good work and remember to remain cool and calm all the time. -- Karl Meier 19:30, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Ali Sina

Hi Fair. I don't know why you keep insisting on me blocking you! My ultimate goal is to arrive to a compromise and an understanding. I am not saying neither you are bad nor nice. If you are a critic of a set of beliefs or a supporter of its critics then that doesn't make you look bad! I respect that and myself am a supporter of this attitude. What i am against are the followings:

• Lack of respect while handling an issue.
• Focusing on personal aspects and losing temper.
• Claiming that the other party is contributing in bad faith.

In relation to the issue, i am not saying that humanist is humanitarian. What i am saying is simple. When you hear about X being a humanist is that because academics, critics in the field judged that person according to a certain set of critereon. But when the subject himself decides so than there is a problem. What is logical is there should be something like X refers to himself being a humanist and stop there. Categorizing him is a work of notable critics and not neither himself nor us. This is my logic. Nothing more and nothing less. Feel free to comment on my talk page which is set for that. I like that szvesty pie by the way. ;) I also appreciate the way your userpage looks now. That a good sing of a better interaction w/ the community which is very important. Feel at home and hear from you. Cheers -- Szvest 17:03, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Critics of Islam

Your input on Critics of Islam is appreciated. http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:List_of_Islamic_scholars#Critics_of_Islam OceanSplah 04:47 June 01 2006 [UTC}

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

My similar felicitations for your contributions to this page. There is a lively discussion on the subject of that section in at least two segments of the article's talk page, incidentally.--Mantanmoreland 15:48, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. Yes, I was puzzled by the refusal to acknowledge the obvious anti-Semitism of Ahmadinejad's statements. I hope that informed people (more informed than myself, that is) can present the other side.

Oh, and while I agree with your edit comments and your reversions of the deletions from the Ahmadinejad page, my suggestion would be that you additionally post a comment concerning those quotes on the talk page. One issue that keeps being raised is the supposed "mistranslation" of those quotes, which I trust you have far more expertise than I to address. --Mantanmoreland 21:00, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

As a member of the Muslim Guild and a scholar on these subjects, I invite you to participate in the lively discussion on this person that is continuing on the talk page. My poor, Roman Catholic head is spinning. Jesuit training is not all it is cracked up to be! --Mantanmoreland 21:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually you might want to check the talk page for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad specifically the "Anti-Semite, again?" section. User:Irishpunktom swapped out Category:Anti-Semitic people for Category:Anti-Semitism earlier and I've been attempting to explain to User:Mantanmoreland why such a swap makes sense. But unfortunately my logic appears to be falling on "deaf eyes". Hopefully once you get a chance to read the talk you'll understand that until there's some specific wording saying that, "Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is an anti-Semite" in the article he should not be a part of that category. Cheers! Netscott 21:39, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but you see, Netscott my friend, there indeed are comments to that effect in the article itself. Also I think the discussion has reached its logical limits, if there were any in the first place.--Mantanmoreland 21:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hi FairNBalanced,

Thank you! Your support is much appreciated.

It's nice to have you on the Muhammad page where, as you see, some editors whose misunderstandings of WP:NPOV were indulged in the past are having trouble facing the reality of what we're supposed to be doing here: building a reliable scholarly encyclopedia. Please do stick around.Timothy Usher 22:17, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Unitarianism

One might think of the Shahada as a bait-n-switch in this regard. Everything's fine until the Rasul part.Timothy Usher 06:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, rasul means "messenger". There is no god but God - well, duh - and Muhammad is the messenger of God. Muslim critiques of Christianity lead with theology; Christian (and Jewish) critiques of Islam lead with Muhammad (I'm not sure what the Muslim critique of Judaism is other than the generic attribution of evil and hypocrisy). General highly-subjective point being, sound theology is only a small part of how we ought evaluate religion. As a rabbi once said, ye shall know it by its fruits. But that's just my opinion.Timothy Usher 07:17, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

email

I just added an e-mail address to my account, and I believe it should work now. -- Karl Meier 19:03, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Another thing is that your e-mail doesn't seems to work for me. Have you remembered to authenticate it? -- Karl Meier 19:10, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Admin questions

No I am not an admin although I may become one at some point in the future. Please know that I am particularly sensitive to changes regarding topics on Islam. This I have just demonstrated by actually joining Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Islam. As a result I tend to be rather aware through the course of my frequent edits on such topics of changes to them (and correspondingly "related changes") to them. This is what I think you may be noticing. Any other questions? Netscott 17:21, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Cat

Hey Frank. Thanks for the cat (miauu). I appreciate it. And, hey, prepare yourself for a heated debate in its CFD (cat for deletion). I am not sure wikipedians would leave the cat alone. Poor cat! Talk to you. -- Szvest 18:34, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

hehe! That cat looks like a candidate for {{db-nonsense}}. Poor cat. :-) Netscott

Funny how that cat looks more like a seal. Netscott 18:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)]

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Islam

FNB, I apprise you of recent changes to this project which, as a member of the Muslim Guild, you might find of interest.Timothy Usher 11:15, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

My cuteness

How did you know?--Mantanmoreland 13:00, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

P.S. free advice in return for the compliment. I think you'd be within your rights to delete some of the anonymous early posts on this page with the "mmm" headers. I could be wrong, but I think that would count as a personal attack you would be within your rights to delete, if not vandalism.

P.P.S. Great photo.--Mantanmoreland 14:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks.

I'd much rather show this picture on my user page than the picture of what these Koran abusing scum did to Nick Berg. Allahu Akbar my ass.  --FairNBalanced 02:24, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Your user page on my watch list

Ok, remember the related changes I was talking about previously? Well there's also the fact that like the others who I tend to see frequenting topics I edit on your user and talk page is on my watch list. So...I noticed you've added a photo to your user page and couldn't help but notice that it was lacking actual source details as in, "where did you download it?" Also I noticed the extremely inappropriate comments relative to "72 virgins". Now I'm inclined to tag your image and particularly inclined to remove your nonsense summary but I wanted to give you an opportunity to correct it before I took action, so would you kindly rectify these points? thanks. Netscott 16:28, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

On second thought, there's only one way that you're going to rectify that summary and that is to actually re-upload the image as the commentary appears in the "edit commentary" portion of the image. If you do not in fact re-up it I can absolutely guarantee that your image will be summarily deleted for this reason alone. Netscott 16:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Looking better but I would strongly advise you to avoid inflammatory commentary on your user page as well as it does not tend to foster an encyclopedic environment and is severly frowned upon here on Misplaced Pages. Also in the future whenever possible do provide an actual link to the page you've downloaded a given image from. Cheers. Netscott 16:51, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Care to join the discussion on the Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, or shall you continue arbitrarily? Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is now double listed in the anti-semitism cat, why do you want that?--Irishpunktom\ 16:34, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Sad

Sad sad sad....

Yes, it is sad that there is intolerance and hate in this world. I agree with the above anonymous comment and I am pleased that FairNBalanced is so forthright in his editing.--Mantanmoreland 20:34, 8 June 2006 (UTC)