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This article was nominated for deletion on 22 October 2013. The result of the discussion was keep.

Aida's "Thank You" and Sincere appreciation to useful contributors

• First, I am delighted to start seeing increased interest and participation in the article. I am also delighted that I was able to get in direct contact with Aida who sent us (since it is a collective effort by all of us) the following Thank You note: "Sorry, about my English 😳...And big thank you!!! Everything ok in the article."
• Second, a shout out goes to Northamerica1000, our unsung warrior behind the scenes who is awesome at "quietly" converting bare references added by "lazy" editors like me so we can focus on rapidly providing good content and references. Worldedixor (talk) 21:42, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

I need help retrieving content from Ukrainian references I added

I invite any editor who can read Ukrainian to help retrieve content form recent Ukrainian references I added or other sources. At this stage, quantity supersedes quality. Thank you. Worldedixor (talk) 10:34, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Doy you need the translation of the references in English? --ВікіПЕДист (talk) 16:05, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, my friend... If you are in doubt, copy it in Talk page here and I will select the useful content. Worldedixor (talk) 22:59, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Allowing unsupported content until more editors get involved

This article, sooner or later, will take off and I can completely retire from it. In the mean time, I will continue to volunteer to lead and, unless someone gives a better solution and builds sourced content fast, I will allow unsourced content made in good faith. As we saw before, someone, most likely Ukrainian fans, will come along and support any unsourced content. Any objections, please bring them forth and support with reason. What I don't want to happen is for the article to be boring without particpation and go stale. There is a method to my creativity. Please assume good faith. Thanks. Worldedixor (talk) 19:49, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Single-handed deletions without discussion

Assuming all are acting courteously and in good faith, additions are welcome. However, please refrain from overzealous "clean up" for a while until we build the article. The article is in its initial stage and we need more information before we start cleaning it up. One word can trigger a paragraph in the mind of a fan. Anyone who has time on their hands to clean up, I encourage him to donate money to Misplaced Pages first and then I can point him to over a million articles on Misplaced Pages that have needed clean up for many years.

I allowed some elaborate details that express the outrage of fans the world over of how the two judges ruined a once in a lifetime rendition of Lullaby that can never be repeated even by Aida herself (Please refer to the video of her audition) when Beavis and Butthead, as the two confused judges are now referred to, rudely interrupted her without basis. My intent was to get fans to participate at this early stage. If we make the article boring quickly. Few people, most with limited English, will have the courage to participate especially when it comes to someone notable in her small country and relatively unknown in the west.

I volunteer to lead this article, until a more knowledgeable Admin, even a user, preferably a Ukrainian fan of hers, is willing to do the "much needed" research and take the lead from me. Worldedixor (talk) 01:19, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Attribution

This article uses content translated from the corresponding Ukrainian Misplaced Pages article: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldenshimmer (talk • contribs) 03:29, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

• I am not sure I understand the point above which I assume is made in good faith. The article referred to was started after I started this one. My content was based on research and I believe it to be a unique content. Other "welcome" participants added content that may have been translated from the other article which is not a violation of Misplaced Pages public domain policy. Worldedixor (talk) 06:52, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Firstly, the guy used content taken from the Ukrainian Misplaced Pages, and as such, we need to comply with the terms of the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license (which this Misplaced Pages version also uses). Secondly, please stop restoring deleted content which makes no sense at all in English, you are overriding the WP:3RR. Thirdly, I suppose (per comment above: "preferably a fan of hers") you are a fan of this person; it does not make your point more valid if you are a fan of hers; as I said, the content you are restoring makes no sense in English language. Let alone if this gets to survive AFD. Regards, Küñall (talk) 14:09, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
    • Yo mama, let me get this straight, dude!... Before you attack my English, is this a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black? whatdamattayou? do you really think your English makes any sense? It is extremely hard to remain civil with puny instigating schmucks unnecessarily instigating me, but I am still trying! Worldedixor (talk) 20:47, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Aida's official facebook page

Not sure who removed the link to Aida's official facebook page. Is it not allowed to link to facebook? If not, please justify your removal. Thanks. Worldedixor (talk) 20:43, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

User:Worldedixor, I removed it with this diff per WP:FACEBOOK. Goldenshimmer (talk) 15:09, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Goldenshimmer I believe you erred in good faith, and it appears that you did not fully fathom the spirit of WP:FACEBOOK that clearly asserts that "exceptions are made for official links when the subject of the article has no other Web presence." Aida's website Official website is coming soon and cannot be considered web presence and has no content. Unless you disagree with me, I will re-insert her Facebook official page as per WP:FACEBOOK to make the article more useful to readers. Worldedixor (talk) 19:57, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Her official website links to Facebook, VK, Twitter, and YouTube. In my opinion it's probably most useful to link to the official website, and then let readers choose which link or links to view from there. It also makes it less likely to need updating, because once her official website is completed, the Facebook link would become irrelevant. However it might be good to get a third opinion, since I'm no expert at policy either. :) Goldenshimmer (talk) 22:20, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

User:Worldedixor, feel free to re-add it as far as I'm concerned though :) Goldenshimmer (talk) 22:26, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

User:Goldenshimmer As much as I prefer to have a link to her Facebook page for the convenience of readers, your argument is 100% valid. I did not notice the links to her social media presence to the right, and I applaud that you did. So I am siding with your good argument against my preference until a third opinion weighs in and influences either one of us to re-add the link to Facebook. Thank you for your civil debate. Worldedixor (talk) 22:33, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

User:Worldedixor, Thank you too! It's a pleasure working on the article :) Goldenshimmer (talk) 22:36, 23 October 2013 (UTC)~

You're welcome... and I reiterate my appreciation of your involvement. But I am hitting a brick wall in getting much needed content. At this point in time, I am interested in building content and later trim everything down. My intention now is to "temporarily" add content that will "motivate" more English-speaking Ukraininan editors and fans to participate. Did I make my intention clear? Worldedixor (talk) 22:56, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

YouTube links

Please note that per WP:YOUTUBE, links to this and similar video uploading websites are only permitted where it is absolutely clear that the material has been uploaded by the copyright owner. I have accordingly removed several such links, and ask that they not be replaced. I have also removed a statement regarding the number of YouTube views, per the Misplaced Pages:No original research policy, and because I have doubts that the figures given on YouTube pages would be accepted as reliable sources. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:46, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks, Andy. Noted and I agree with all except perhaps adding a "general" reference to the millions of views her audition videos are getting. Thoughts? Worldedixor (talk) 21:53, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

You will need a source. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:02, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

I agree. But I am hitting a brick wall in getting much needed content. At this point in time, I am interested in building content and later trim everything down. My intention now is to "temporarily" add content that will "motivate" more English-speaking Ukraininan editors and fans to participate. Did I make my intention clear? Worldedixor (talk) 22:55, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

If you don't have a source, where are you getting the information from? AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:43, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

1. First, is it possible for you to always communicate respectfully, in a civil manner, and assume good faith and cooperate in good faith and give responsive, well thought out replies in god faith? If yes, can you commit to such effective communication between us? Otherwise you will be just be hindering my progress and making an "extremely difficult and time consuming task" even harder on me. 2. are you in agreement with my "interim" method to build content? 3. Do you have other helpful methods to build content or are you simply satisfied removing the very little "interim" (INTERM is keyword here) content I spend valuable time searching for? 4. Are you personally able to spend time looking for and adding content to the article or just remove content in a couple of seconds a day? 5. To give you a good faith responsive reply to your question, I get content from watching interviews on YOUTUBE with Aida (a non reliable source but Aida herself is speaking) that are transliterated and often poorly translated. Also from tidbits that I gather everywhere (that you hastily removed when I strongly believe that they are, IN THE INTERIM, useful to peek interest of curious fans and their participation. Once they participate in large numbers, they will have the incentive to add more content and I can completely retire from this article). Aida is understandably very busy, but she was kind enough to respond directly in broken but understandable English. If she agrees to respond to more questions, I will share whatever she shares with me until the content becomes substantial, and then we get to trim it, and this when I will sincerely need your help. 6. Finally, is my well-intended method clear to you? Worldedixor (talk) 01:03, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

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