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October 2013

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. We welcome and appreciate your contributions, including your edits to Résumé, but we cannot accept original research. Original research also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Thank you. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:00, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Colonization of Mars

Hello. Sorry, but I reverted you additions to Colonization of Mars. It was well written, but it removed sourced material and replaced it with writing that looked like it was original research. Verifiability is one of Misplaced Pages's core principles, so I hope you will keep that it mind for future edits. Thank you, Grayfell (talk) 00:39, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Again, your edits have removed sources. In addition to that, the lead of an article is intended to be an academic summery of the body, and not simply an introduction. If you have a problem with the word "hospitable" then change that word, or alternately discuss the problem on the article's talk page. Thanks. Grayfell (talk) 03:00, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Edit warring

I'm asking you to please discuss your edits at Talk:Colonization of Mars. Your edits have a number of problems, and ignoring me isn't going to solve them.

Your edits are written in a non-encyclopedic tone (WP:TONE) . Misplaced Pages is intended to be written in a formal style from a neutral point of view. Writing things like "This does not preclude the possibility that man might one day step foot on Mars and 'scout around,' but whether or not we ever get to Mars seems less a matter of scientific progress, than the balance of power between sane and crazy." is neither formal, nor neutral. If National Geographic says we won't establish a colony on Mars, then we should explain that it as being National Geographic's opinion, not Misplaced Pages's.

Additionally, your edits have been introducing "curly" quotation marks and apostrophes, (MOS:QUOTEMARKS) which is discouraged by the manual of style (WP:MOS). They can also potentially introduce a few technical problems.

Again, I am asking you to please take these edits to the article's talk page. Grayfell (talk) 05:00, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

• I came within whisker of asking for you to be banned from wikipedia but I thought I'd give you a last chance. I've just reverted your recent set of edits on Colonization of Mars because yet again you (a) removed properly sourced factual material and (b) added material that promoted your opinions about the topic. You've already been warned about this both here and on the article's Talk page, and reverted several times, but you keep on doggedly. You must be well aware that this counts as both Edit Warring and POV Pushing. Misplaced Pages is not interested in your opinions. Please take this as a final warning and cease making these disruptive changes. andy (talk) 19:41, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
  

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What do you mean "final warning?" It's amazing how arrogant you are! It takes two to tango. I'll just go ahead and have YOU banned! I'm going to recommend that the Misplaced Pages entry for the Colonization of Mars be removed from Misplaced Pages. The entire page is nothing but propaganda. The whole thing is NOTHING BUT A POINT OF VIEW!!!!!!!!! There is no colony on Mars, ergo nothing is "encyclopedic" or "well sourced," and even that's nothing but another POV!!!!!!!

Please remember that being civil is a Misplaced Pages policy (WP:CIVIL). It is also against policy to edit talk pages to misrepresent what others have said, as you did here: link. Also, deleting other editors' warnings is permitted, but it doesn't look very good, especially since they are so recent.

You are, of course, free to recommend that the article should be deleted, or that other users should be banned, but I hope you will consider a couple of things, first. Several experienced editors have been trying to give you specific, policy based reasons why we disagree with your edits. Your response has been to completely ignore that advice and revert to exactly what you had previously written. Misplaced Pages has no policy of protecting 'whistle-blowers' and if you try and get anyone banned, you should be aware that it could WP:BOOMERANG around back at you and hit you in the butt. What I'm saying, from years of past experience, is that if you report another editor, you better make sure your own edits will hold up to scrutiny, and from what I have seen they do not.

As for the Mars article, if you think it should be deleted because there is no such colony, you may be confused about what Misplaced Pages is for. There are many, many good, valuable articles about non-existent things, and about theoretical future things, and about recurring themes in science fiction. They have reliable sources, because some people like to discuss them anyway. This is one of those things. If you know of sources, use them, otherwise, don't be surprised if nobody takes your edits seriously. Grayfell (talk) 06:45, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

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Grayfell, I have already described that I am an expert on the Martian atmosphere, which tends to be the extent of my edits, having spent the last 15 months writing a book that includes chapters on Mars and exoplanets and the prospects for a colony AND THEY ARE NOT GOOD. First, the content of this page obviously needs to be put in the context of a colony, unlike content of the "Mars" page - but that requires a little speculation. When you're talking about things that "don't exist," and you give some examples...the idea of "sources" becomes a little meaningless, wouldn't you agree? This would be true also for the "Colonization of Mars." This entire page is a POINT OF VIEW!!!! Why can't you see that?

Second, although I deleted my personal talk page to remove the icons and threats which you can't actually expect me to stomach every time I come here and which are arrogant and disgusting, I never edited anyone's words. I clicked on your link and in so doing discovered just how petty you can be, as if you are in some way superior to me! LOL. Interesting that I have never written threatening notes to others, or condescending warnings, as well as I might have - that is simply unnecessary and pointless.

Now, most people who undo my edits do so because they think they own this page, not because of factual errors. What really bothers me is that some people, maybe you, seem to be undoing my edits as a matter of your personal policy or agenda - not due to factual errors. That really bothers me. And it is clear that this is happening because MY EDITS ARE BEING UNDONE BEFORE ANY TIME HAS LAPSED FOR ANY CONSIDERATION TO BE MADE! And if people don't respect my edits it's because THEY'RE ARROGANT!

For example, one "Difference" described how there were significant amounts of CO in Mars atmosphere. This is absolutely untrue, and I noticed this as soon as I read it. Whatever traces of CO exist are LESS than the 3% nitrogen and 1.6% argon - which means it's NOT SIGNIFICANT - and CO would pale in significance to all the other adversities anyway. Listen - I wish you could trust me on my edits concerning the atmosphere of Mars. Some of the content of others is incorrect or VERY badly worded. I know what I'm saying, and I say it extremely well - it's very "encyclopedic" and neutral. If you can state it better, then please do, BUT DON'T JUST RIP OUT EVERYTHING I SAY EN MASSE because I'll just put it back in. But we don't need to keep ARGUING about this. I only edit for clarity or factualness, not out of vanity. On the other hand, you and a few others seem to be preoccupied by "procedural issues," about which I see a great deal of inconsistencies throughout Misplaced Pages. So why is the Misplaced Pages Gestapo preoccupied with this page in particular? Who are you, Robert Zubrin, Mars Advocate extraordinaire? Zubrin must have his minions trolling these pages day and night, spreading propaganda – WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE CASE!

Now, I did not "report another editor," but I did request, about 1 hour ago, that this page be removed for reasons due to excessive "edit warring," which is ridiculous. I am 1000%, completely confident of my edits, and I consider it nothing less than "Mars Advocate" propaganda when my edits are ripped out en masse - which I have, incidentally, detailed in my book, devoting an entire chapter to Misplaced Pages and this particular page, which is in its final editing stage and will be ready for publication soon. Would you like to become famous?

November 2013