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KW has edited their talkpage significantly since their ban, contrary to ]. Creating an ArbCom voting guide is an attempt to influence Misplaced Pages policy, well outside the socially-induced ban. One could question his motives as well...is there an element of ] to "get back at" those who banned him? Is it a way of electing Arbs who are sympathetic to his cause? | KW has edited their talkpage significantly since their ban, contrary to ]. Creating an ArbCom voting guide is an attempt to influence Misplaced Pages policy, well outside the socially-induced ban. One could question his motives as well...is there an element of ] to "get back at" those who banned him? Is it a way of electing Arbs who are sympathetic to his cause? | ||
The sole remedy is to remove the voting guide, revoke talkpage access and move forward - let KW back into the community when he's willing to follow the rules <span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]]</span> 11:03, 12 November 2013 (UTC) | The sole remedy is to remove the voting guide, revoke talkpage access and move forward - let KW back into the community when he's willing to follow the rules <span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]]</span> 11:03, 12 November 2013 (UTC) | ||
===Statement by Kiefer.Wolfowitz=== | |||
:<small>This statement was by ] to his talk page and was copied here by ''']''' (] • ] • ]) at 12:27, 12 November 2013 (UTC).</small> | |||
The community runs Arbitration Committee elections and does so by its RfCs, which occur following discussion of the immediately preceding election and at the RfC before the election. The election rules require that candidates be in good standing; they do not require that guide writers be in good standing (not even in good standing with the Arbitration Committee). | |||
Richwales has explicitly written that he has a conflict of interest because my guide discusses limitations of his candidacy. In the past, for example in the case of Pennywhale, the Arbitration Committee has allowed banned editors freedom on their talk pages, including criticism of ArbCom decisions. | |||
Secondly, {{user|Nikkimaria}} was entitled to add my guide to the election template, per the RfC rules, which again do not require that guide writers be in good standing. (C.f., ].) | |||
Finally, this is the second time in a month that {{user|John Cline}} (formerly {{user|My76Strat}}) has left messages on this talk page, despite having been requested many times previously to stop. Would an administrator please remind him of the talk-page policy? | |||
My daughter has a 38.9 C fever because of teething, and I doubt I have time to respond further. | |||
<small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]]</span></small> 12:22, 12 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
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Clarification request:Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )#Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )'s topic ban on article creation
Initiated by Fram (talk) at 12:24, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
- Case or decision affected
- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )#Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )'s topic ban on article creation arbitration case (t) (ev / t) (w / t) (pd / t)
- Link to relevant decision
List of any users involved or directly affected, and confirmation that all are aware of the request:
- Fram (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) (initiator)
- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Carrite (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Statement by Fram
Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (RAN for short) has been topic banned from creating articles. He has recently requested another user, Carrite, to move a few pages RAN recently created in his user space to the main space (see User talk:Carrite#Migration. It is unclear whether this violates his topic ban or not. Carrite was a party to the previous case so is presumably aware of the topic ban. Note; this is a request for clarification, no action against anyone involved is wanted here. Fram (talk) 12:24, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
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Clarification request: Kiefer.Wolfowitz banned
Initiated by —John Cline (talk) at 10:33, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
- Case or decision affected
- Kiefer.Wolfowitz and Ironholds arbitration case (t) (ev / t) (w / t) (pd / t)
- Kiefer.Wolfowitz banned
List of any users involved or directly affected, and confirmation that all are aware of the request:
- John Cline (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (initiator)
- Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Richwales (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
- Equazcion (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Beyond My Ken (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Nikkimaria (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
- The above users have been notified of this request as shown by the included links.—John Cline (talk) 10:50, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Statement by John Cline
Richwales raised a question regarding Kiefer.Wolfowitz's talk page edits in relation to his Arbcom ban. Equazcion subsequently posted the incident at wp:ani which erupted into a discussion without the potential for consensus. Eventually Beyond My Ken reverted Kiefer's talk page inclusion of an Arbcom voters guide which Kiefer reverted with the following edit summary: "talk page guidelines prohibit such arbitrary action. take it to Arbitration committee enforcement, and stop acting like a cowboy". Most users commenting seem to agree that this matter should be decided by the Committee, as do I. Curiously, Nikkimaria added Kiefer's voter guide to {{ACE2013}}
which in my opinion, strains the spirit and letter of our banning policy. Please tell me if Kiefer's talk page edits are acceptable in concert with his ban and evaluate Nikkimaria's decision to link his content in such fashion as has been shown. Thank you.—John Cline (talk) 10:33, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Statement by Equazcion
As I said at ANI (which I now realize was the wrong venue for this), if a user is banned, it was already determined that they shouldn't be involved in the project (for whichever amount of time was specified). That they confine any further attempts technically to userspace shouldn't be a loophole. Talk page access is allowed for banned users merely to allow discussion relating to their ban (as is my understanding), and while practice tends to allow some leniency for benign chatter with former colleagues, clear attempts at further project involvement is an abuse of that leniency, and shouldn't be allowed. It leaves the door open for us to have to make a second determination regarding userspace content, when the spirit of the ban was to have already been a prohibition on their continued involvement. equazcion → 11:02, 12 Nov 2013 (UTC)
Statement by EatsShootsAndLeaves
One of the most common RFA questions used to be "What is the difference between a ban and a block?" The most acceptable answer was some version of this:
- A block is a technical restriction, designed to prevent disruption, whereas a ban is a community-determined restriction on editing, often in specific areas. A block may be used to enforce a ban.
In others words, a ban is a socially-derived action, and as per WP:BANPOL:
- "An editor who is site-banned is forbidden from making any edit, anywhere on Misplaced Pages, via any account or as an unregistered user, under any and all circumstances", with the sole exception of appeals.
KW has edited their talkpage significantly since their ban, contrary to WP:BANPOL. Creating an ArbCom voting guide is an attempt to influence Misplaced Pages policy, well outside the socially-induced ban. One could question his motives as well...is there an element of WP:POLEMIC to "get back at" those who banned him? Is it a way of electing Arbs who are sympathetic to his cause? The sole remedy is to remove the voting guide, revoke talkpage access and move forward - let KW back into the community when he's willing to follow the rules ES&L 11:03, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Statement by Kiefer.Wolfowitz
- This statement was posted by Kiefer.Wolfowitz to his talk page and was copied here by Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) at 12:27, 12 November 2013 (UTC).
The community runs Arbitration Committee elections and does so by its RfCs, which occur following discussion of the immediately preceding election and at the RfC before the election. The election rules require that candidates be in good standing; they do not require that guide writers be in good standing (not even in good standing with the Arbitration Committee).
Richwales has explicitly written that he has a conflict of interest because my guide discusses limitations of his candidacy. In the past, for example in the case of Pennywhale, the Arbitration Committee has allowed banned editors freedom on their talk pages, including criticism of ArbCom decisions.
Secondly, Nikkimaria (talk · contribs) was entitled to add my guide to the election template, per the RfC rules, which again do not require that guide writers be in good standing. (C.f., WP:I don't like it.)
Finally, this is the second time in a month that John Cline (talk · contribs) (formerly My76Strat (talk · contribs)) has left messages on this talk page, despite having been requested many times previously to stop. Would an administrator please remind him of the talk-page policy?
My daughter has a 38.9 C fever because of teething, and I doubt I have time to respond further.
Kiefer.Wolfowitz 12:22, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
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- I've informed Kiefer.Wolfowitz that if he'd like to make a statement he can make in his talk page and someone will copy it over to here for him. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:02, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
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- Recuse Worm(talk) 10:40, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
- Recuse on this specific issue Roger Davies 12:02, 12 November 2013 (UTC)