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::That rule does not really address the issue that has concerned reviewers and will not lessen the time wasted arguing about timely non-promotional hooks on commercial subjects. The guidance that is needed is something about how timeliness of the date request is an important element of the date request section and in cases where the subject is commercial in nature the reviewer is suppose to guide against hooks that are promotional, but not just commercial hooks that are timely. The confusion that I repeatedly have to expend energy explaining to reviewers is that reviewers think a timely commercial hook is prima facia promotional even if it does not present content that promotes the commercial content.--] <small>(] / ] / ] / ] / ])</small> 19:38, 15 November 2013 (UTC) | ::That rule does not really address the issue that has concerned reviewers and will not lessen the time wasted arguing about timely non-promotional hooks on commercial subjects. The guidance that is needed is something about how timeliness of the date request is an important element of the date request section and in cases where the subject is commercial in nature the reviewer is suppose to guide against hooks that are promotional, but not just commercial hooks that are timely. The confusion that I repeatedly have to expend energy explaining to reviewers is that reviewers think a timely commercial hook is prima facia promotional even if it does not present content that promotes the commercial content.--] <small>(] / ] / ] / ] / ])</small> 19:38, 15 November 2013 (UTC) | ||
:::] - It may be that reviewers in the past focused on the hook itself since there were rules for promotional hooks but no rules by which to additionally deal with the special occasion date request. Now that there is something on the Misplaced Pages:Did you know page that addresses special occasion date requests, nominators should be able focus more on whether an admin should list an approved hook on the date requested rather than mixing that with the separate hook review performed under ]. I added to the section to address your concerns. -- ] (]) 15:28, 19 November 2013 (UTC) | :::] - It may be that reviewers in the past focused on the hook itself since there were rules for promotional hooks but no rules by which to additionally deal with the special occasion date request. Now that there is something on the Misplaced Pages:Did you know page that addresses special occasion date requests, nominators should be able focus more on whether an admin should list an approved hook on the date requested rather than mixing that with the separate hook review performed under ]. I added to the section to address your concerns. -- ] (]) 15:28, 19 November 2013 (UTC) | ||
::::Both items 2 and 3 in this section are now more a point of confusion than anything else. WTF does "whether the editor's contribution merits additional reward" (item 2) have to do with evaluating a hook. What is the additional reward that is being considered. Is having a DYK on the main page considered a reward and having it on a special day an extra reward. I have never even heard this logic in a DYK review and I have been involved in over 1000 of them. Reward? That word needs to be struck from the rule. We don't promote hooks as a reward as far as I know. Item 3 is stated in a way that is likely to lead to more time consuming debate rather than give timesaving guidance. The whole addition is written as if to preserve the right to have muddling timewasting debate on the same issues over and over. What we need is a statement that we evaluate whether the hook is promotional of the subject. That is always what the debate is about.--] <small>(] / ] / ] / ] / ])</small> 16:51, 19 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
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Christmas DYK Task Force Assemble!
You know me, I love a DYK theme. Next year should be interesting because it's Olympics time again, and we have the WWI Centenary. But before we get to that, we are approaching the Christmas start time for DYK once again. Normally I'd post a couple of days before the 25th November, but I've given some extra leeway this time because we have the potential for taking articles to GA and have them qualify for DYK that way. So previously out of touch articles - say for instance, Santa Claus - could yet be possible for DYK.
So use this section to suggest Christmas themed articles both for the usual expansion/creation for DYK, and potentially for tidying up and taking through GA to qualify for DYK that way. I'll start my yearly trawl for expansions now and post ideas for them as I come across them. Miyagawa (talk) 14:37, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, here's a few suggestions to get people started:
- Expansion: A Christmas Carol (1908 film), Christmas (The Middle), Christmas beer, Christmas beetle, Christmas Canon, Christmas Frigatebird, Christmas Imperial Pigeon, Christmas Island (Tasmania), Christmas Island shrew, Christmas Memories, Church of la Natividad de Nuestra Señora (San Martín de la Vega), Church of la Natividad de Nuestra Señora, Valdetorres de Jarama, Church of the Nativity, Tiraspol, Episcopal Church of the Nativity (Rosedale, Louisiana), Episcopal Church of the Nativity (Union, South Carolina), Nativity Church, Căuşeni, Santa Claus Is Coming to Town, Holy Family and donors (Carpaccio), Home Alone (2006 video game), Santa Claus (1898 film), What Child Is This?, We Wish You a Merry Christmas, We Three Kings, Once in Royal David's City
- Creation: Santa's List - a 2003 Cliff Richard song (it isn't Christmas without Cliff Richard)
- Good article expansion: Alfred Anderson (veteran), Angraecum sesquipedale, The Christmas Invasion, Merry Xmas Everybody, Moroccan Christmas.
- Feel free to add any as you go along and find them! Miyagawa (talk) 15:59, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
- I'm planning to get either Santa Claus Conquers the Martians or Santa Claus (1959 film) to GA because of my MST3K love. So those could be a good start. Taylor Trescott - + my edits 01:32, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
- I'd quite like to give Merry Xmas Everybody a go, since the song is more or less as old as me. The article is a former FA nom, but looking at the sources I wouldn't even pass it through GA at present.
- Expansion : Bernard and the Genie, Mikulás
- Retrofit with sources and take to GA : Dongzhi Festival, Saint Nicholas Day, Sinterklaas (I'm thinking of Drmies specifically for that last one) Ritchie333 10:22, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
- I'm planning to get either Santa Claus Conquers the Martians or Santa Claus (1959 film) to GA because of my MST3K love. So those could be a good start. Taylor Trescott - + my edits 01:32, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
- I'll see if I get the time and motivation to write an article or more related to Christmas in Norway. A suggestion for others, with knowledge in German/music interest: the song Ich steh' an deiner Krippen hier by Paul Gerhardt and J.S. Bach. Possible sources: one, two. Regards, Iselilja (talk) 23:18, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
- Miyagawa - I like your enthusiasm. Annual DYK special occasion projects should have a dedicated DYK project subpage, like Misplaced Pages:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know. You can find many Christmas ones via this search. In view of Misplaced Pages:Did you know/Christmas 2012, perhaps a Misplaced Pages:Did you know/Christmas 2013 can be started and modeled after Misplaced Pages:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:37, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks! Perhaps it might be a good idea to set up an index page. Because right now we have the April Fools one, then we also have the WW1 one at the moment, and Christmas would make three. Mind you - I wouldn't be seeking to extend the one month prior to the date rule for Christmas as I think it'd be unlikely that Christmas articles would get created throughout the rest of the year - with the exception of Christmas in July, of course. It might also be helpful to arrange to specific sporting events, such as the bi-annual Olympics rush. I'll think up a proposal and set it out in a new section. Miyagawa (talk) 13:19, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- I may attempt to DYK some of the smaller articles. Thanks, Matty.007 12:35, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
DYK is almost overdue
In less than two hours Did you know will need to be updated, however the next queue either has no hooks or has not been approved by an administrator. It would be much appreciated if an administrator would take the time to ensure that DYK is updated on time by following these instructions:
- Check the prep areas; if there are between 6-10 hooks on the page then it is probably good to go. If not move approved hooks from the suggestions page and add them and the credits as required.
- Once completed edit queue #5 and replace the page with the entire content from the next update
- Add {{DYKbotdo|~~~}} to the top of the queue and save the page
Then, when the time is right I will be able to update the template. Thanks and have a good day, DYKUpdateBot (talk) 06:49, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
Older nominations needing DYK reviewers
The last list is now way up the page, so I've compiled a new set of three dozen nominations that need reviewing. We have 273 total nominations, of which only 33 are approved. Thank you for your reviews.
October 1: Template:Did you know nominations/The Execution of Gary Glitter- October 4: Template:Did you know nominations/Day of Remembrance for all Victims of Chemical Warfare
October 5: Template:Did you know nominations/Güstrow CastleOctober 9: Template:Did you know nominations/Farren Soutar (only ALT hooks need checking)- October 9: Template:Did you know nominations/René Moncada
October 11: Template:Did you know nominations/Sahoyúé-§ehdacho- October 12: Template:Did you know nominations/Hasan Fehmi (Ataç)
October 12: Template:Did you know nominations/Pan-American (train) (two articles)- October 13: Template:Did you know nominations/Talal al-Sharif
- October 13: Template:Did you know nominations/Ambassadors (TV series)
October 16: Template:Did you know nominations/Elephant hunting in Chad, Protected areas of Chad (only ALT hooks need checking)- October 16: Template:Did you know nominations/The Stand Up
October 16: Template:Did you know nominations/Women Side by Side- October 16: Template:Did you know nominations/Sahara Hospital
- October 17: Template:Did you know nominations/Mia Frye
October 18: Template:Did you know nominations/U2 by U2October 18: Template:Did you know nominations/Elena MrozovskayaOctober 18: Template:Did you know nominations/Uttar Pradesh Revolutionary Socialist PartyOctober 18: Template:Did you know nominations/Levon LarentsOctober 19: Template:Did you know nominations/Winkler County nurse whistleblower caseOctober 19: Template:Did you know nominations/Invercargill by-election, 1930October 19: Template:Did you know nominations/Parsegh ShahbazOctober 19: Template:Did you know nominations/Lo Nuestro Award for Artist of the YearOctober 19: Template:Did you know nominations/Alma JodorowskyOctober 19: Template:Did you know nominations/Elisa LindströmOctober 20: Template:Did you know nominations/Iron railingOctober 20: Template:Did you know nominations/Museums in KievOctober 20: Template:Did you know nominations/BBC First World War centenary seasonWith holding area suggestion. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 09:19, 11 November 2013 (UTC)- October 20: Template:Did you know nominations/Baltimore mayoral election, 1999
October 20: Template:Did you know nominations/William Carr SmithOctober 20: Template:Did you know nominations/Tony BasgallopOctober 20: Template:Did you know nominations/Art Bell's Dark MatterOctober 20: Template:Did you know nominations/List of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine cast membersOctober 20: Template:Did you know nominations/Anil GoswamiOctober 20: Template:Did you know nominations/Jillian LaneOctober 21: Template:Did you know nominations/André DiotOctober 21: Template:Did you know nominations/Who's Afraid of Peer Review? (only ALT hook needs checking)- October 21: Template:Did you know nominations/Coorg Legislative Assembly election, 1952
- October 21:
Template:Did you know nominations/BEAST (South African Band) - October 21: Template:Did you know nominations/Disqualification of convicted representatives in India
- October 21: Template:Did you know nominations/Santini SMS
- October 21: Template:Did you know nominations/Cemento
October 21: Template:Did you know nominations/Jarrett Boykin- October 21: Template:Did you know nominations/From There To Here
- October 21: Template:Did you know nominations/The Game (UK TV series)
October 21: Template:Did you know nominations/Central Bandstand, Herne Bay (two articles)
Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 04:07, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
- BlueMoonset, what do we do with some of these old nominations that seem to have languishing or inactive reviews? Do they get failed and removed or just sit forever? (I'll try to help here a little...) Montanabw 06:07, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, Montanabw. I've just done the appropriate pinging for the oldest ones (September and early October) to try to move things along. Sometimes it takes a lot of iterations before a nomination is finally ready, or to get to the point where it's very clear it can't be improved sufficiently. Nothing sits forever, although I have seen a couple go for over three months before being resolved. Things aren't quite that bad at the moment, though far from great. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:16, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
New rule proposal
It seems that there should be some sort of rule regarding commercial subjects. I have nominated books on their release dates, tv shows for their premier dates, movies for their premier dates and albums on their release dates at DYK. Each time there has been all kinds of confusion on what is appropriate. In most cases after timeconsuming debate, I have been able to convince people that if the hook is not promotional of the subject it is appropriate. Most recently, the hook did not run on the desired date due to this concern. Can I or someone else write a rule so that we can refer to it in the future?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:49, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
- Since the special occasion holding area is one of three Nominations subsections, I added a special occasion subsection to Misplaced Pages:Did you know. The top of that page notes: "The DYK section publicizes new or expanded articles after an informal review. This publicity rewards editors for their contributions." The factors I listed in the special occasion subsection generally are based on that. The one reading "bringing additional publicity to the new or expanded article is more important than the additional publicity brought to the article subject" is meant to address your concern above. Obviously, the text can be modified. -- Jreferee (talk) 13:59, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
- That rule does not really address the issue that has concerned reviewers and will not lessen the time wasted arguing about timely non-promotional hooks on commercial subjects. The guidance that is needed is something about how timeliness of the date request is an important element of the date request section and in cases where the subject is commercial in nature the reviewer is suppose to guide against hooks that are promotional, but not just commercial hooks that are timely. The confusion that I repeatedly have to expend energy explaining to reviewers is that reviewers think a timely commercial hook is prima facia promotional even if it does not present content that promotes the commercial content.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:38, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
- TonyTheTiger - It may be that reviewers in the past focused on the hook itself since there were rules for promotional hooks but no rules by which to additionally deal with the special occasion date request. Now that there is something on the Misplaced Pages:Did you know page that addresses special occasion date requests, nominators should be able focus more on whether an admin should list an approved hook on the date requested rather than mixing that with the separate hook review performed under Misplaced Pages:Did you know#The hook. I added to the section to address your concerns. -- Jreferee (talk) 15:28, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- Both items 2 and 3 in this section are now more a point of confusion than anything else. WTF does "whether the editor's contribution merits additional reward" (item 2) have to do with evaluating a hook. What is the additional reward that is being considered. Is having a DYK on the main page considered a reward and having it on a special day an extra reward. I have never even heard this logic in a DYK review and I have been involved in over 1000 of them. Reward? That word needs to be struck from the rule. We don't promote hooks as a reward as far as I know. Item 3 is stated in a way that is likely to lead to more time consuming debate rather than give timesaving guidance. The whole addition is written as if to preserve the right to have muddling timewasting debate on the same issues over and over. What we need is a statement that we evaluate whether the hook is promotional of the subject. That is always what the debate is about.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:51, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- TonyTheTiger - It may be that reviewers in the past focused on the hook itself since there were rules for promotional hooks but no rules by which to additionally deal with the special occasion date request. Now that there is something on the Misplaced Pages:Did you know page that addresses special occasion date requests, nominators should be able focus more on whether an admin should list an approved hook on the date requested rather than mixing that with the separate hook review performed under Misplaced Pages:Did you know#The hook. I added to the section to address your concerns. -- Jreferee (talk) 15:28, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- That rule does not really address the issue that has concerned reviewers and will not lessen the time wasted arguing about timely non-promotional hooks on commercial subjects. The guidance that is needed is something about how timeliness of the date request is an important element of the date request section and in cases where the subject is commercial in nature the reviewer is suppose to guide against hooks that are promotional, but not just commercial hooks that are timely. The confusion that I repeatedly have to expend energy explaining to reviewers is that reviewers think a timely commercial hook is prima facia promotional even if it does not present content that promotes the commercial content.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:38, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Error, or misleading wording anyway, in Prep 1
I reviewed and ticked Did_you_know_nominations/Nell_Truman earlier, and it's now in Prep 1. Its first reviewer had expressed concern about the subject really being first winners of an open tennis event, but I clearly missed their point: that "an open tennis event" isn't the same thing as "a tennis event in the Open Era", which is what it's supposed to mean.
In the article, the word "open" is wikilinked to the Open Era article section, but in the hook it isn't. Suggest changing the hook wording for clarity and precision, either to "a tennis event in the Open Era", or at least to wikilink the word "open" to History of tennis#Open Era as it is in the article. Thanks, Struway2 (talk) 19:18, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Ayakannu Marithamuthu DYK
Please see the thread I've started at WP:ANI: The DYK is asserting as fact matters which have never been determined in court - and accordingly, the DYK needs removing from the list as a matter of urgency. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:18, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Murder of Ayakannu Marithamuthu
This article, currently in prep 2, has come to notice at the BLP noticeboard: Misplaced Pages:Blpn#Murder_of_Ayakannu_Marithamuthu. AndyTheGrump believes the hook is in violation of the BLP rule. Should it be pulled until the issue is resolved? Taylor Trescott - + my edits 00:18, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
- See above (we seem to have been posting at the same time). We have no choice but to pull the DYK as a gross WP:BLP violation. We cannot possibly assert as fact something entirely reliant on the supposed word of a single suspect, where not only has there been no conviction, but those suspected of the crime have been released on grounds of lack of evidence. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:26, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
- I also came across this article through the lurid hook at Prep 2. I'm shocked that the page was approved in the condition it's in. It reads like a news release, not an encyclopedia entry. I tagged the article. Yoninah (talk) 01:26, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
- User:Moishe Rosenbaum has now done a fair bit of work on the article - though there are still problems with accessing sources. The 'curry' claim was being cited to what seems to be a food blog in Yahoo! entertainment which certainly isn't an appropriate source, even for an allegation. Which leaves the DYK not only violating WP:BLP as it stands, but lacking a credible source for the hook, even if we were to reword it. There almost certainly are better sources making the same claim, but for now, we can't find them. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:42, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
- The DKY has now been deleted from Prep area 2. Kablammo (talk) 01:54, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:09, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
- The DKY has now been deleted from Prep area 2. Kablammo (talk) 01:54, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
- User:Moishe Rosenbaum has now done a fair bit of work on the article - though there are still problems with accessing sources. The 'curry' claim was being cited to what seems to be a food blog in Yahoo! entertainment which certainly isn't an appropriate source, even for an allegation. Which leaves the DYK not only violating WP:BLP as it stands, but lacking a credible source for the hook, even if we were to reword it. There almost certainly are better sources making the same claim, but for now, we can't find them. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:42, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
- I also came across this article through the lurid hook at Prep 2. I'm shocked that the page was approved in the condition it's in. It reads like a news release, not an encyclopedia entry. I tagged the article. Yoninah (talk) 01:26, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
The DYK was correctly pulled from the prep area, and both the nominator and reviewer should probably take a good look at what went wrong. But there is another angle here which hasn't so far been discussed (AFAIK). Just imagine for a moment that the article was correctly sourced and that the hook was factually acceptable and ran on the main page. Then try to imagine that you are the wife, parents, children... of Ayakannu Marithamuthu, and that this tragic case graces the main page of Misplaced Pages in the most sensationalist and callous way possible, years after it made headlines as "news": "that Ayakannu Marithamuthu was butchered at a church, made into curry, and distributed into waste bins around Singapore in plastic bags". That we aren't censored means that we don't hide information because it may be shocking, distasteful, offensive; it doesn't mean that we can't use some dignity and humanity on what we decide to put on the main page, and especially how we do this. Using such a hook doesn't make Misplaced Pages any better, more complete, more neutral, ..., it only turns it into the tabloid version of an encyclopedia. Please consider not suing such hooks and codifying that in the DYK rules somehow. Fram (talk) 14:07, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
- Well put. I wholeheartedly agree. -Zanhe (talk) 22:41, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yup. I seem to recall having to kick up a stink previously about a sensationalist DYK concerning a murder. I'll see if I can locate it. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:43, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
- Found it. Someone decided that it was appropriate to post a DYK about Gemma McCluskie's body being found in a canal - three weeks after she was killed. See the ANI thread: That one got onto the main page. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:55, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
- It was me. In hindsight, an incredibly stupid thing to do. Miyagawa (talk) 18:56, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
- Found it. Someone decided that it was appropriate to post a DYK about Gemma McCluskie's body being found in a canal - three weeks after she was killed. See the ANI thread: That one got onto the main page. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:55, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
DYK is almost overdue
In less than two hours Did you know will need to be updated, however the next queue either has no hooks or has not been approved by an administrator. It would be much appreciated if an administrator would take the time to ensure that DYK is updated on time by following these instructions:
- Check the prep areas; if there are between 6-10 hooks on the page then it is probably good to go. If not move approved hooks from the suggestions page and add them and the credits as required.
- Once completed edit queue #4 and replace the page with the entire content from the next update
- Add {{DYKbotdo|~~~}} to the top of the queue and save the page
Then, when the time is right I will be able to update the template. Thanks and have a good day, DYKUpdateBot (talk) 22:07, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
The Execution of Gary Glitter
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The blurb, "that after The Execution of Gary Glitter, a 2009 mockumentary showing Gary Glitter being hanged, the subject's complaint to Ofcom was turned down? seems to have word(s) missing: after it aired? after it was shown? after a complaint was made? As it stands, "after" is left dangling. Awien (talk) 23:41, 13 November 2013 (UTC) Awien (talk) 23:41, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
- I've deactiveated the request, as the DYK hook in question isn't being shown on the main page any more. Sorry we couldn't get to it in time. For next time, you will probably get a quicker response if you use WP:ERRORS. Best — Mr. Stradivarius 08:35, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the response, Mr S. Awien (talk) 13:36, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Proposal to remove DYK alltogether
Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#DYK_removed_entirely Beerest355 Talk 00:39, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
- Discussion was closed there as being in the wrong place. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:57, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Oldest nominations needing DYK reviewers
The last list has been nicely whittled down, so I've compiled a new set of 38 nominations that need reviewing. As of yesterday, we had 254 total nominations, of which only 36 were approved. Thank you for your reviews.
- October 9: Template:Did you know nominations/René Moncada
- October 12: Template:Did you know nominations/Hasan Fehmi (Ataç)
- October 13: Template:Did you know nominations/Talal al-Sharif
- October 13: Template:Did you know nominations/Ambassadors (TV series)
- October 16: Template:Did you know nominations/The Stand Up
October 16: Template:Did you know nominations/Sahara HospitalOctober 17: Template:Did you know nominations/Mia Frye- October 20: Template:Did you know nominations/Baltimore mayoral election, 1999
- October 21: Template:Did you know nominations/Coorg Legislative Assembly election, 1952
- October 21: Template:Did you know nominations/Disqualification of convicted representatives in India
October 21: Template:Did you know nominations/Santini SMSOctober 21: Template:Did you know nominations/CementoOctober 21: Template:Did you know nominations/The Game (UK TV series)- October 22: Template:Did you know nominations/Pat Hays
October 22: Template:Did you know nominations/Lo Nuestro Award for Collaboration of the YearOctober 23: Template:Did you know nominations/Willi Mentz- October 24: Template:Did you know nominations/Philippines v. China
- October 25: Template:Did you know nominations/Mauricio González-Gordon y Diez
- October 25: Template:Did you know nominations/Canada Fitness Award Program
October 25: Template:Did you know nominations/John Ashley KilvertOctober 25: Template:Did you know nominations/Albert S. Sholes House- October 25: Template:Did you know nominations/Greater Poland Civil War
October 26: Template:Did you know nominations/Don Lerman- October 26: Template:Did you know nominations/Ruth Wanjiru
October 27: Template:Did you know nominations/St Jude storm- October 27: Template:Did you know nominations/Young Communist League of Germany (Opposition)
October 27: Template:Did you know nominations/Datone JonesOctober 27: Template:Did you know nominations/Ode to the Bouncer- October 27: Template:Did you know nominations/League of West German Communists
- October 28: Template:Did you know nominations/Lydia Shackleton
- October 28: Template:Did you know nominations/The French Lieutenant's Woman
- October 28: Template:Did you know nominations/John Joseph Dougall, Kate Sheppard House (two articles)
- October 28: Template:Did you know nominations/Nina Kirsanova
October 28: Template:Did you know nominations/UMG Recordings, Inc. v. Shelter Capital Partners LLCOctober 28: Template:Did you know nominations/Christmas, With Love- October 28: Template:Did you know nominations/Roman Putin
- October 28: Template:Did you know nominations/In re Zappos.com, Inc., Customer Data Security Breach Litigation
October 28: Template:Did you know nominations/Fox Broadcasting Co. v. Dish Network, LLC
Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 02:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Queue 6
World Trade Center Portland becomes World Trade Center, Portland. Stats will be affected, so is minor change necessary? George Ho (talk) 05:33, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- In addition to changing it in the hook, the credit should be changed, to:
* {{DYKmake|World Trade Center, Portland|Aboutmovies|subpage=World Trade Center Portland}}
MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 07:24, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- The redirect was taken care of, but the credit was not, so I manually fixed the entry on the article's talk page. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:17, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Good Articles
I was surprised to see Charlie Chaplin at DYK today, since it is obviously not a new article, nor has it been 5x expanded. In checking on it I found out that newly-listed Good Articles are now eligible for DYK. I suspect the new eligibility rule is not widely known. It does say so on this Project Page under the Eligibility Criteria, but not under the DYK Rules at the top. Those rules now read
DYK is not a general trivia section. DYK is only for articles that, within the past five days, have been either
- created
- expanded at least fivefold
- newly sourced and expanded at least twofold (only if the article was an unsourced BLP)
I think we should add
- newly designated as a Good Article
to the DYK Rules section. Comments? --MelanieN (talk) 18:38, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- I have added it - seems to have been an oversight rather than a deliberate omission.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 20:08, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
QPQ check
Hi, the QPQ checker doesn't seem to be counting DYKs after 27 October, it has 6 5 less than it has given me, which could lead (if it's not just me) to QPQ problems. Thanks, Matty.007 19:51, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- (Note: the checker is at this page, and for me shows 28.) Matty.007 19:51, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- I've checked a few other accounts, and I can confirm it's not just you. DYKUpdateBot is operated by User:Shubinator, so I guess he's the guy to ask. DoctorKubla (talk) 08:19, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
- The problem has nothing to do with DYKUpdateBot. The user contributions search tool doesn't provide any results past 3 November for any user on any page. Without knowing any technical details, I suspect it's something like an updated database not being available to Toolserver. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 10:43, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
- See User talk:Scottywong#Your tools and WP:Village pump (technical)/Archive 120#Toolserver replication lag. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 10:49, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
- OK, thanks. Do we have any idea when it will be back up? Thanks, Matty.007 12:38, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
- In the interim, if the number is under five, reviewers should look at the self-nominator's talk page (and, if necessary, recent archives) to see if there are recent DYKs credited there. In fact, it's a good idea to do this anyway, since DYKUpdateBot is sometimes broken, and updates then must be done by hand: these don't show up in the tool, so it sometimes gives an undercount. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:48, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- OK, thanks. Do we have any idea when it will be back up? Thanks, Matty.007 12:38, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Interesting hooks
Can anyone enlighten me as to in what way the following hook could be considered "interesting" – I have to confess I just don't see it:
- ... that the English mental health anti-stigma campaign, Time to Change, is supported by companies and organisations such as PepsiCo, British Telecom, and the Bank of England?
-- Ohc ¿que pasa? 02:57, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
- I suppose the fact that it is supported by a multinational soft drinks company, a major national telecommunications company and a state central bank all support the same charity is rather interesting. But then what is interesting to one person might not interest another and vice versa. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 12:24, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Just had to amend a hook
I apologise but I've just had to amend my hook. I'm hoping that I am ok to do this. It seems that the original source didn't completely put the quotation in context and thus I've also just had to amend the article. I'm confident that this is now correct. - Sitush (talk) 16:32, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
DYK is almost overdue
In less than two hours Did you know will need to be updated, however the next queue either has no hooks or has not been approved by an administrator. It would be much appreciated if an administrator would take the time to ensure that DYK is updated on time by following these instructions:
- Check the prep areas; if there are between 6-10 hooks on the page then it is probably good to go. If not move approved hooks from the suggestions page and add them and the credits as required.
- Once completed edit queue #4 and replace the page with the entire content from the next update
- Add {{DYKbotdo|~~~}} to the top of the queue and save the page
Then, when the time is right I will be able to update the template. Thanks and have a good day, DYKUpdateBot (talk) 22:06, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Retain image in promoted hook?
Hi. I wonder if it would be possible to move the hook regarding the rower in Prep area 1 to a queue where its image can be used. The image is especially good to have with this hook, IMHO, because the rower's apparently vibrantly healthy image contrasts sharply with the content of the hook (that he is not healthy) -- making it especially hooky. And I think the image is fine quality in reflecting his healthy appearance, though I understand not all will agree. I've submitted many DYKs, and I expect this is the first time I've ever asked for reconsideration at DYK of image inclusion. Thanks for your consideration.--Epeefleche (talk) 06:03, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
6 hooks in current set
Is there a reason why the current set has only 6 hooks? The main-page columns are out of balance. Espresso Addict (talk) 10:16, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Naresh Gaur
The Naresh Gaur DYK hook has been reported as misleading on main-page errors because the quotation a "weaker bet" appears to be from Times of India, not the party. I've reviewed it and I agree with the concern. I'm not sure how this got through what appears to have been a fairly thorough review by experienced reviewers. Espresso Addict (talk) 12:03, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
New reviewer needed
Template:Did you know nominations/U.S. Route 27 in Michigan was initially reviewed by Ritchie333, but per his responses on his talk page, it appears that he no longer wants to continue the review he started. Additionally, his review implies factual errors in the article based on a misreading of the source for the hook. Would someone be willing to take over the review lest this nomination remain for weeks or months containing refuted suggestions of impropriety? Imzadi 1979 → 05:39, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
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DYK is almost overdue
In less than two hours Did you know will need to be updated, however the next queue either has no hooks or has not been approved by an administrator. It would be much appreciated if an administrator would take the time to ensure that DYK is updated on time by following these instructions:
- Check the prep areas; if there are between 6-10 hooks on the page then it is probably good to go. If not move approved hooks from the suggestions page and add them and the credits as required.
- Once completed edit queue #3 and replace the page with the entire content from the next update
- Add {{DYKbotdo|~~~}} to the top of the queue and save the page
Then, when the time is right I will be able to update the template. Thanks and have a good day, DYKUpdateBot (talk) 14:05, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
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