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| EdJohnston, please provide advise on how to make an escalation within your system. I would like to talk to your customer service department if possible or with someone in corporate. Bull is showing bias, has been uncooperative and misrepresenting events. Also, I don't mind taking a time out. This is not a threat, but merely a statement of good customer service. I would rather not have to create accounts and tunnel masked I.P.'s and make this a bigger issue. Let's get this issue resolved in a civil fashion. I want your escalation process sent. I want to talk to the service department for corporate. I deal with customer issues like this every day, I will call wikimedia's corporate office if necessary and raise all kinds of heck if I do not get a different admin to help administer this issue. 07:58, 26 November 2013 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
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Question from User talk:Berniebrew
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Attention Ed: Back in February you stepped in and provided protection on a template. Here are your entries. (cur | prev) 04:00, 19 February 2013 EdJohnston (talk | contribs) . . (14,779 bytes) (+27) . . (Add semiprotection template) (thank) (cur | prev) 03:59, 19 February 2013 EdJohnston (talk | contribs) m . . (14,752 bytes) (0) . . (Protected Bob Uecker: Persistent sock puppetry: Requested at WP:RFPP ( (expires 03:59, 19 February 2014 (UTC)) (expires 03:59, 19 February 2014 (UTC)))) (thank) There is currently someone by the Editing User Name Delaywaves that has gone in and added our copyrighted PRESSWIRE photo. I tried to post this on a discussion page to have it corrected, but the Rivertorch talker is back at it and is mistaken. Here is the entry below that shows that Delaywaves added the photo:
Here is the PRESSWIRE photo we asked to have removed. Can you assist? Hello EdJohston. Presswire has mandatory copyright. This is a photo from Presswire and there are multiple taken during first pitch walk; distributed under accounts and copyrighted regulated there. You were contacted as it appeared that you had provided the protection on these pages back in February. Someone reinserted the copyright photo, but there is still protection on the account. Please remove this image from the home page and from Created Commons Attribution-Share as well. Game Photos are even under more scrutiny and regulations, approved by MLB team as photo transmissions are reserved. We do not know a person named Paluch. We don't know how Delaywaves bypassed and this action is what is of issue now. Your work and protection is on the edit history. Photo from Wikimedia Commons, uploaded by Steven Paluch]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Berniebrew (talk • contribs) 00:25, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Attention ED: Please see information outlined below. US Presswire USA Media Group syndicates content. Uploaded use in Created Commons/Wiki is unauthorized use and distribution of copyrighted photo. This is game activity copyrighted and two years old. Please remove the photo in question since our group is not editors with specific protective editing capabilities of pages on Misplaced Pages. The Rivertorch comments Delaywaves are not professionally necessary. Could you take immediate action. Someone from our staff suggested that Delaywaves look into an alternative, the Team Media Individual Broadcaster Photo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Berniebrew (talk • contribs) 23:33, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
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Editor Cihsai
Hi Ed. Can you please take a look at editor Cihsai. Through the course of this year, he has edited no other article besides the Hemshin peoples and has made no other contribution to it beside removing/reverting a crucial part of the lead, which states that the Hemshin people are believed to have an Armenian origin and which is well sourced. He has carried out the same edit time and time again and has obliquely referred to a "discussion on the talk page", which he has never bothered to make a contribution. I, along with other editors, have reverted such disruptive edits but he persists in making the reverts. I think some sort of action is necessary here and I'd appreciate any help in dealing with this matter. Thanks.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 18:43, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- Notified. EdJohnston (talk) 02:49, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi Ed. I have seen your message to me. Fact is that the user who complained about me is inserting a statement into the the lead paragraph without discussing it. The lead paragaraph as well as the paragraphs "History" and "Demographics" which are related to the issue are the result of intense discussions and editing compromises from several years ago. Therefore ı beleive the warning should be adressed to the user who is inserting changes without discussion and not to me. ... By the way, it is true that my activity on[REDACTED] is limited to Hemshin issue; my home region. I wonder whether that is in any way a violation of Misplaced Pages rules.Cihsai (talk) 22:20, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
- You have not participated at Talk:Hemshin since 2008. Yet here you are on 6 November 2013 in this diff where you remove a claim about Armenian origin at the same time as you remove the reference which was intended to support it. If you don't believe that Simonian's book on the Hemshin is a good reference for the claim of Armenian origin, you could try asking for an opinion at WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. In the past year you have reverted the lead 12 times. This looks to be a case of long-term edit warring. If anyone agreed with you, you would not be the only one removing this material. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 00:47, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
- I have inserted a entry in the talk page of the article which may be worthwhile for you to see.. thanksCihsai (talk) 23:44, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
- He hasn't quite let up. He just continues to revert.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 01:10, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Now topic banned. EdJohnston (talk) 04:42, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- He hasn't quite let up. He just continues to revert.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 01:10, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Recent report for a ban
Dear Ed I have responded to User:Daki122 reported by User:Lothar von Richthofen (Result: ) as you have advised me and I have given my argument which I think is pretty strong and I do think that I have not made any mistake.I have broken one rule only and only because someone was trying to change the map with a 16 seconds video from youtube all of my reverts are on that case only.Also I should note that I responded to complains by users on the talk page who also asked for a revert.
https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Cities_and_towns_during_the_Syrian_civil_war
It is in the Sanamayan segment of the talk page. Daki122 (talk) 13:53, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Move review/Log/2013 November
It appears that nobody bothered to let you know that a move request you closed (at Talk:Vivekananda) has been challenged at move review. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:20, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, I have commented there. EdJohnston (talk) 21:09, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Jim Scott (Australian politician)
- Thanks for the move, and for fixing the ref. I have no idea about the technical stuff, I'm afraid. Frickeg (talk) 07:49, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
WP:ARBPIA question
WP:1RR applies to all articles subject to ARBPIA. The case, as amended, says:
- Clear vandalism of whatever origin may be reverted without restriction. Reverts of edits made by anonymous IP editors that are not vandalism are exempt from 1RR but are subject to the usual rules on edit warring.
To me, this means that the exemptions other than vandalism at WP:3RRNO do not apply in the case of a 1RR violation. Otherwise, the language above would be superfluous. To put it more concretely, an editor cannot revert another editor twice based on a WP:BLP violation. What do you think? This report triggered my question.--Bbb23 (talk) 11:19, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- No, the BLP exemption continues to apply, per 'the usual rules on edit warring.' It is easier to understand the above sentence if you remove the phrase 'that are not vandalism' which turns out to be redundant (or almost). Since no IP edits were involved in this particular exchange you don't need to give any thought to the carte blanche for reverting IPs anyway. You're making me think that the language is unnecessarily murky, though in practice there shouldn't be difficulties. EdJohnston (talk) 14:25, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- Well, I think it's at least murky. The first sentence is totally unnecessary if the usual rules apply; it should be omitted. Unnecessary substantive language, particularly from an ArbCom decision (they tend to be more legalistic), is concerning. And the second sentence should say "Reverts of edits made by anonymous IP editors are exempt from 1RR but are subject to the usual rules on edit warring." The superseding language isn't much better than the old language.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:20, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- This modified 1RR was created as an anti-sock measure. On certain contested articles it is suspected that some of the IPs will be socks. For instance banned editors socking around the ban. When tightening the rules (going from 3RR to 1RR) this modified rule still gives an advantage to registered users. If I recall correctly it was User:Timotheus Canens who first proposed this kind of 1RR back in 2010 before he was an arb, but helping create the language for the Arab-Israeli 1RR, which at that time was a community sanction. See this March 2012 Clarification Request for more on the issue. EdJohnston (talk) 22:24, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps we're talking at cross purposes here. Essentially, I'm saying that the adopted language is susceptible to misunderstanding. I realize I'm stuck with it short of seeking another modification. But I'll go with your interpretation, which is that any edit by an IP may be reverted and the usual exemptions apply to reverts of non-IP edits.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:52, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- Can you think of a way of making it more clear while having the same effect? EdJohnston (talk) 23:58, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps we're talking at cross purposes here. Essentially, I'm saying that the adopted language is susceptible to misunderstanding. I realize I'm stuck with it short of seeking another modification. But I'll go with your interpretation, which is that any edit by an IP may be reverted and the usual exemptions apply to reverts of non-IP edits.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:52, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- This modified 1RR was created as an anti-sock measure. On certain contested articles it is suspected that some of the IPs will be socks. For instance banned editors socking around the ban. When tightening the rules (going from 3RR to 1RR) this modified rule still gives an advantage to registered users. If I recall correctly it was User:Timotheus Canens who first proposed this kind of 1RR back in 2010 before he was an arb, but helping create the language for the Arab-Israeli 1RR, which at that time was a community sanction. See this March 2012 Clarification Request for more on the issue. EdJohnston (talk) 22:24, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- Well, I think it's at least murky. The first sentence is totally unnecessary if the usual rules apply; it should be omitted. Unnecessary substantive language, particularly from an ArbCom decision (they tend to be more legalistic), is concerning. And the second sentence should say "Reverts of edits made by anonymous IP editors are exempt from 1RR but are subject to the usual rules on edit warring." The superseding language isn't much better than the old language.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:20, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Napster - Arden Hathaway
Mr. Johnston: Please read what I actually wrote in the Napster article. The Napster article is biased, e.g., it claims that Napster actually benefitted record sales, whereas in the real world the so-called "file sharing" systems have devastated record sales. I started out by writing this up, including an indisputable cite pointing out that record sales dropped 50% from 1999 through 2009, but my text got deleted. Napster proponents made up this theory that they were actually on the side of the "artists" against the "evil record companies" and they cling to it, even though record sales (circa 2013) are down 65% from the inception of Napster and the biggest losers are composers and musicians. Those individuals who participated in the Napster kleptomania don't like to have their mythologies refuted, so they engaged in censorship, not "editing."
Please read the addition I wrote about the LaMacchia case, the NET Act and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA), and how they relate to Napster. This text also got deleted because it makes Napster proponents uncomfortable to learn (a) Napster was not original (or "pioneering"), and (b) there was a basis for criminal prosecution of both the founders and users of Napster, but it didn't take place because the Digital Millenium Copyright Act diluted the NET Act. This also got censored by the fanatical pro-Napster individuals who watch the article.
I repeat: Read what I actually wrote. Read they sourced text which the Napster monitors called "unsourced." They initiated this proceeding to silence me. Ironically, I had already given up. ArdenHathaway 14:53, 21 November 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArdenHathaway (talk • contribs) 14:52, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- Please see the advice that was given at User talk:NeilN#Napster. I have nothing to add. Any crusades against Napster should happen elsewhere. See WP:SIGN for how to sign your posts on talk pages. EdJohnston (talk) 15:42, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Warning over the 1RR
You pissed or what? blog sources used sadredearth.com, yaacovlozowick.blogspot.com, never mind the one he removed, you actually warned me for following BLP. Well done. Darkness Shines (talk) 17:23, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- WP:3RRNO allows removal of unsourced defamation. In the past, we have used 'respectable' blogs as sources for commentary on controversial issues in the I/P area (though not as sources of fact, since WP:SPS doesn't allow that). You don't get to keep on reverting with no penalty when the issue could easily be referred to WP:RS/N. EdJohnston (talk) 17:33, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- Once it is removed ya. What you are saying is a BLP vio (suspected or not) can stay in an article until it has spent a week at some notice board, never gonna happen Ed, SPS and BLP are very clear on this, and you ought to know better. Darkness Shines (talk) 17:43, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- Those were commentaries on the views held by Mondoweiss, a site that offers reporting and opinion on contentious issues. Vivid language is used by both sides of that dispute. I don't see your case for irreparable harm if your instantaneous revert were not performed. (The harm being, in your view, so obvious to all that no discussion is required before acting). Is it a terrible thing to cite a blog by Yaacov Lozowick, a man who was the director of the archives at Yad Vashem? EdJohnston (talk) 18:34, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- BLPGROUP would say yes, but given I am more or less done here now it really does not matter, cheers. Darkness Shines (talk) 19:17, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- Those were commentaries on the views held by Mondoweiss, a site that offers reporting and opinion on contentious issues. Vivid language is used by both sides of that dispute. I don't see your case for irreparable harm if your instantaneous revert were not performed. (The harm being, in your view, so obvious to all that no discussion is required before acting). Is it a terrible thing to cite a blog by Yaacov Lozowick, a man who was the director of the archives at Yad Vashem? EdJohnston (talk) 18:34, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- Once it is removed ya. What you are saying is a BLP vio (suspected or not) can stay in an article until it has spent a week at some notice board, never gonna happen Ed, SPS and BLP are very clear on this, and you ought to know better. Darkness Shines (talk) 17:43, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Repeated edit warring
Hello EdJohnston,
sorry for taking this to your talk page, but reports at AN3 are always so long and unflexible. Alcastilloru (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) whom you already blocked for two days because of edit warring in July, unfortunately has not changed his/her method. The user continues edit warring at A New Era. Alcastilloru never cites sources for these changes, never gives a reason for reverting, never discusses. In this way, it is impossible to co-operate with this user. As it does not look like he/she will ever stop, I am afraid that your administrative action is necessary. Kind regards. --RJFF (talk) 21:13, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- Alcastilloru (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- A New Era (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- I left another notice for him. We'll see what happens. EdJohnston (talk) 02:08, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
Bob Uecker
FYI: Re this thread, please see this diff. Rivertorch (talk) 23:13, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for your note. Editor is now blocked for long-term warring. EdJohnston (talk) 01:41, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
Reply from Novangelis re: Recurrent laryngeal nerve
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TBAN Question
Hi Ed, quick question. Does my ARBPIA TBAN allow or restrict me from commenting at the ongoing AE case involving Gilabrand and Sepsis? It's unclear to me. Thanks. Plot Spoiler (talk) 01:34, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- Under WP:TBAN you should not participate in that case. Thanks for asking. EdJohnston (talk) 02:20, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- For sure. Cheers. Plot Spoiler (talk) 02:48, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
Mondoweiss
Based on the history, I'd rather you take any action you think is appropriate after this.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:38, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- Nothing is my preference. If either party doesn't like where this is going, I expect we will see a new AN3 or AE report. There is talk of BLP violations. But in the real world, the people on both sides are accusing each other of horrible things anyway. If the article gets out of control I suppose we could full protect for a month and let them debate the fine points at WP:BLP/N. EdJohnston (talk) 01:12, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
User:Orrerysky disruption over Plasma cosmology
Fires are all over the place now, with threats flying. Take a look at some of the diffs provided here:
A topic ban or total ban is needed quickly. -- Brangifer (talk) 07:52, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
EdJohnston, please provide advise on how to make an escalation within your system. I would like to talk to your customer service department if possible or with someone in corporate. Bull is showing bias, has been uncooperative and misrepresenting events. Also, I don't mind taking a time out. This is not a threat, but merely a statement of good customer service. I would rather not have to create accounts and tunnel masked I.P.'s and make this a bigger issue. Let's get this issue resolved in a civil fashion. I want your escalation process sent. I want to talk to the service department for corporate. I deal with customer issues like this every day, I will call wikimedia's corporate office if necessary and raise all kinds of heck if I do not get a different admin to help administer this issue. 07:58, 26 November 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orrerysky (talk • contribs)