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| :::::Carol, I'm sorry if you suffer from paranoia. As with contributors who suffer from various degrees of Asperger's Syndrome, we should try to make allowances but not to the point where it damages the project. Often mentorship is a useful tool in such circumstances. I'm not quite sure how to proceed in these circumstances, though, because I've only ever been involved in such situations here as a bystander. I'd already reverted out the linkspam and that is what brought me here because you are not on my watchlist but Twinkle does its thing. I'll self-revert if you really want to discuss but ] applies in this situation also. As for my contributions elsewhere, I think that you should do a lot more research before passing judgement - you've quite obviously misunderstood what I do. However, if you think those efforts are indeed disruptively deletionist then feel free to ANI me.<p>Adjwilley, the "crap" was not Carol's: the article has been in a poor state since 2005 and I'd already done my research before nominating at AfD. Carol may be well-intentioned but the chances of her turning this one round are poor: I know the policies and I've got a pretty good rep for reliability in sourcing matters. My allusion was to ]. - ] (]) 21:42, 9 December 2013 (UTC) | :::::Carol, I'm sorry if you suffer from paranoia. As with contributors who suffer from various degrees of Asperger's Syndrome, we should try to make allowances but not to the point where it damages the project. Often mentorship is a useful tool in such circumstances. I'm not quite sure how to proceed in these circumstances, though, because I've only ever been involved in such situations here as a bystander. I'd already reverted out the linkspam and that is what brought me here because you are not on my watchlist but Twinkle does its thing. I'll self-revert if you really want to discuss but ] applies in this situation also. As for my contributions elsewhere, I think that you should do a lot more research before passing judgement - you've quite obviously misunderstood what I do. However, if you think those efforts are indeed disruptively deletionist then feel free to ANI me.<p>Adjwilley, the "crap" was not Carol's: the article has been in a poor state since 2005 and I'd already done my research before nominating at AfD. Carol may be well-intentioned but the chances of her turning this one round are poor: I know the policies and I've got a pretty good rep for reliability in sourcing matters. My allusion was to ]. - ] (]) 21:42, 9 December 2013 (UTC) | ||
| ::::::I see, no worries. Thanks for the clarification. Interesting that ] and ] go to different places. <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~] <small>(])</small></span> 21:52, 9 December 2013 (UTC) | ::::::I see, no worries. Thanks for the clarification. Interesting that ] and ] go to different places. <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~] <small>(])</small></span> 21:52, 9 December 2013 (UTC) | ||
| :::::::Please note that over the last couple years I've saved about six articles on different subject from deletion, so that's why I was optimistic. I'm even starting to feel sorry for MilesMoney now... <small>'''] (])</small>''' 22:30, 9 December 2013 (UTC) | |||
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Thanks for digging up the extra sources on HR. I'm not quite sure why MM has latched onto this topic with such furvor, but I hope I handled the situation appropriately. It would be easy to just keep reverting him until an admin called a halt, but that's what we'd call an edit war, and not something I'd want to be half of. I hope that by reporting it to ANI, wiser minds than mine can find a good solution. Anyway, I'm rambling-- thanks again for the sources! --HectorMoffet (talk) 22:46, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
- One often can gauge editors' POVs and motivations from edits/statements/etc. but too much commenting on/whining about it on article talk pages can get one sent to ANI, as I recently found out. My motivation? Just doing a little consciousness raising on hypocrisy... Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 23:53, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
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Hey Carol, I hope all is well with you and that you had a good holiday. As you have been one of the regular editors participating in articles related to Austrian Economics, and I was hoping I could convince you to participate in a small experiment on dispute resolution. It's formatted as a simple question and answer, with a hint of RfC/U, aimed at getting participants to talk with one another, recognize potential problems, and with any luck, commit to fixing those problems. The page is at User:Adjwilley/Austrian_economics and you are free to edit at your leisure. ~Adjwilley (talk) 00:09, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
- I filled it out and it immediately started a massive brouhaha in my mind, so I just saved it for another day. IMHO, the real question is, what IS Misplaced Pages's way of dealing with extreme partisan pov pushers who come up against editors who have a habit of defending Misplaced Pages policies against people who want to defame and even destroy others, especially when the defender may more or less agree with the bio subject on some issues AND/OR if the editor feels this is just a matter of pure personal destruction for partisan reasons. Answer the GENERAL QUESTION first and the specifics will fall together. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 00:37, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
- That's a real problem on Misplaced Pages, but I don't have the answers you want. Meanwhile, this little experiment might give some clues as to the solution of our current specific problem. I'm fairly sure I can contain the brouhaha you imagined happening - that's why it's in my userspace. I'd be obliged if you'd just take a few minutes and give it a shot. ~Adjwilley (talk) 00:54, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
- I'll go after a couple more moderate people with less Aries and Leo in their charts go :-) Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 01:15, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, that probably was a bit much. Honesty is good, but it should probably be stated with a little more diplomacy. It's possible to talk about biased editing without the "rage and hate" and speculation of what's in peoples' hearts. If you look at what Sitush wrote, it looks like he said similar things, but it is much less personal and more credible. ~Adjwilley (talk) 18:20, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
- I'll go after a couple more moderate people with less Aries and Leo in their charts go :-) Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 01:15, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
- That's a real problem on Misplaced Pages, but I don't have the answers you want. Meanwhile, this little experiment might give some clues as to the solution of our current specific problem. I'm fairly sure I can contain the brouhaha you imagined happening - that's why it's in my userspace. I'd be obliged if you'd just take a few minutes and give it a shot. ~Adjwilley (talk) 00:54, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
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Just so you don't feel later that you've wasted too much of your time, none of the sources in this edit amount to much at all from what I can see. The usual fringe theorists etc doing the usual fringe stuff & patting each other on the back etc. You are building a house of cards and the Stromberg article is a test case - if that gets deleted then I'll likely be nominating a lot of others that are equally shoddy constructions in the "Polemicists 'Я Us" genre. Find mentions and citations in mainstream publications outside the US - including influential news sources such as El Pais, Le Monde, The Hindu and The Guardian, and books from publishers such as Oxford University Press - and you'll have a much better chance. Bearing in mind WP:BEFORE, I wish you well. - Sitush (talk) 17:00, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
- If Deletionism is your game, I'm sure you can find a couple hundred writers to AfD here: Category:Writers. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 17:09, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
- So, you're already turning this into a personalised issue? It isn't my "game" and it wasn't what I said. Is your point that I shouldn't nominate this crap because there is other crap? - Sitush (talk) 18:21, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
- @Sitush...tsk tsk on calling somebody's work "crap"; @Carol, that sounds like a WP:OTHER argument, and I don't think Sitush is acting in bad faith. ~Adjwilley (talk) 18:25, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
- Sitush's post looked to me like you were trying to make my job harder and piss me off. My point is when editors are trying to beef up a lot of articles that are under attack by vitriolic editors - something you certainly have alluded to repeatedly at WP:ANI, why make their life harder? And why come to my web page and insult a subject of a BLP they are working on which can only look like you are baiting them to get them pissed off?
- So pardon me if it just looks like you had an attack of deletionism. (Plus now I just looked at your contributions and half of the recent ones seem to have to do with removing others material.) And you removed the external links on Stromberg which I put back; discuss at talk page.
- Pardon my paranoia, but is my editing now to become a target in some sort of revenge move for something that pissed you off a couple weeks ago? Tell me so I can quit editing all together, or at least til you stop watching my contributions. Even those living off the younger generation on social security have only so many hours in the day, and other things to do than editing that will just be repeatedly deleted. Just isn't worth it. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 18:30, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
- Carol, I'm sorry if you suffer from paranoia. As with contributors who suffer from various degrees of Asperger's Syndrome, we should try to make allowances but not to the point where it damages the project. Often mentorship is a useful tool in such circumstances. I'm not quite sure how to proceed in these circumstances, though, because I've only ever been involved in such situations here as a bystander. I'd already reverted out the linkspam and that is what brought me here because you are not on my watchlist but Twinkle does its thing. I'll self-revert if you really want to discuss but WP:OTHER applies in this situation also. As for my contributions elsewhere, I think that you should do a lot more research before passing judgement - you've quite obviously misunderstood what I do. However, if you think those efforts are indeed disruptively deletionist then feel free to ANI me.
Adjwilley, the "crap" was not Carol's: the article has been in a poor state since 2005 and I'd already done my research before nominating at AfD. Carol may be well-intentioned but the chances of her turning this one round are poor: I know the policies and I've got a pretty good rep for reliability in sourcing matters. My allusion was to WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. - Sitush (talk) 21:42, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
- I see, no worries. Thanks for the clarification. Interesting that WP:Other stuff exists and WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS go to different places. ~Adjwilley (talk) 21:52, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
- Please note that over the last couple years I've saved about six articles on different subject from deletion, so that's why I was optimistic. I'm even starting to feel sorry for MilesMoney now... Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 22:30, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
- I see, no worries. Thanks for the clarification. Interesting that WP:Other stuff exists and WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS go to different places. ~Adjwilley (talk) 21:52, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
- Carol, I'm sorry if you suffer from paranoia. As with contributors who suffer from various degrees of Asperger's Syndrome, we should try to make allowances but not to the point where it damages the project. Often mentorship is a useful tool in such circumstances. I'm not quite sure how to proceed in these circumstances, though, because I've only ever been involved in such situations here as a bystander. I'd already reverted out the linkspam and that is what brought me here because you are not on my watchlist but Twinkle does its thing. I'll self-revert if you really want to discuss but WP:OTHER applies in this situation also. As for my contributions elsewhere, I think that you should do a lot more research before passing judgement - you've quite obviously misunderstood what I do. However, if you think those efforts are indeed disruptively deletionist then feel free to ANI me.
- @Sitush...tsk tsk on calling somebody's work "crap"; @Carol, that sounds like a WP:OTHER argument, and I don't think Sitush is acting in bad faith. ~Adjwilley (talk) 18:25, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
- So, you're already turning this into a personalised issue? It isn't my "game" and it wasn't what I said. Is your point that I shouldn't nominate this crap because there is other crap? - Sitush (talk) 18:21, 9 December 2013 (UTC)