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What to do if you find a copyright violation

I think the difficulty in finding meta documents, be they copyright related or not, is one of the biggest failings of wikipedia and I'm not sure there's a simple solution to it. Personally I like the toolbox idea, given the importance of copyright but firstly I'm not sure how it could be done and second it would probably need community wide consensus. I'll look into it some more. The flow chart one also isn't a bad idea. I think part of the issue here is finding the time to do it. There's barely enough editors working on copyright problems to deal with the problems we get let alone look into this issue. I'm thinking what we may need is a discussion to work out a way forward. I'll think about trying to start one. Dpmuk (talk) 23:10, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Splits

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I'm pleased to see that you have been tackling the Split requests, and also that you are discussing matters with the people who requested the splits - that's very good. I have been working on them for some time now (about two years I think), and it's great to see someone else take an interest. Misplaced Pages:Splitting, Misplaced Pages:Article size, Misplaced Pages:Summary style and Misplaced Pages:Content forking are useful guideline to consult when considering a split - as well, of course, as the basics like Misplaced Pages:Verifiability and WP:Notability. In general, when considering a split, bear in mind that there needs to be reliable sources which indicate some form of notability. Often splits haven't been done because the material that has been requested to be split isn't actually notable enough for a stand alone article. It may be that the material is appropriate as part of a parent article, or it may be that the material isn't important enough to be on Misplaced Pages at all, but nobody has yet got around to removing it. Sometimes it is difficult to know what to do, and I support the notion of you making a decision rather than simply letting matters slip by. I admire people who follow WP:Bold - that's how we make progress; however, we also need to check that we are not simply shuffling around a problem from one area to another. When you split Babes in the Wood murders into multiple articles, for example, some of those articles you created have questionable status - Babes in the Wood murders (Watton, Norfolk), for example, has no sources at all, and Babes in the Wood murders (Pine Grove Furnace) has a cite which doesn't mention the incident, though there do appear to be some sources available, even if not exactly reliable. It's worth considering where exactly to place the material - and if it is to be in a standalone article, to ensure that there is enough material to justify a standalone, and that there are an appropriate amount of reliable sources to establish notability. I'll be happy to work with you on Babes in the Wood murders, looking at how it was and talking through what could be done with the material. I think the comments on the talkpage are worth reading, as the article creator is aware of the problems. SilkTork 02:02, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I accept that when I started systematically sorting out the split tag issue that I may have been over enthusiasic and some items perhaps need to be re-visited. I have noticed that removing split tags has caused much less difficulty than splitting as requested. I noticed for instance that you reverted my split of Allers, as an example, and now I am of the view that such articles I would probably just de-tag. At the end of the day, I don't mind being reverted as long as an alternative solution is found. Regarding Babes in the wood murders, I think perhaps we should move the discussion to the talk page of that article. Op47 (talk) 23:21, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I have no problems with over enthusiasm at all! I have more of a problem with the apathy and inertia that results in split tags being ignored for years and years. And the nature of the split request is that there isn't an easy solution - some people may (and do) disagree, and sometime mistakes are made. The nature of life is that mistakes are made - I would rather people were bold and made a decision, than do nothing for fear of making a mistake. Mistakes can be undone. The key is being willing to discuss, and to learn from all experiences. Having worked through several hundred split requests I have found that most requests are inappropriate. It seems that the nature of asking for a split in itself shows that people are unsure. And if a request has been lying around for more than 12 months with no action and no support, then it is likely to be inappropriate. However, each request needs to be studied - and some are really quite complex. The solution may not always be a new article - but may be a merge of the contentious material in a more appropriate parent article. Sometimes it is a case of removing or reducing the material. Sometimes a new article is warranted - and that sometimes means finding reliable sources. However, as you are finding, mostly it's a case of removing the tag, and leaving a reason. SilkTork 09:51, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

I have joined in the discussion on Talk:Babes_in_the_Wood_murders#Needs_splitting. SilkTork 10:06, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Page moves

I may have been a little unclear - there are non-controversial and controversial page moves. I was referring to an non-controversial move as a "normal" move.

When a page has been discussed for a move before, and has not been moved or people have objected, one can consider it under the guidelines listed here: Misplaced Pages:Page_move#Before_moving_a_page (in particular items 5 and 6)

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I hope this answers your questions. I am only concerned that the right Wiki projects get notice so that as many people as possible can be made aware of the intended move and hopefully join the discussion.

As a matter of interest, referring to Ukraine as "the ukraine" is not quite correct, similar to saying "the Poland" or "the Russia". Chaosdruid (talk) 13:18, 17 February 2012 (UTC) PS - when searching for wikipedia topics, rather than articles, you should put WP: in the search. For example, to search for move guidelines type "WP:move page" rather than just "move page". Chaosdruid (talk) 13:20, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Splitting

Hello Silktork,

I see that you have finished the troublesome splits from last year. Very Good. Op47 (talk) 22:29, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes - there were some awkward ones there. I have been wondering for some time now if there should be a system in place for splits the same as for mergers - Misplaced Pages:Proposed mergers. Often there is no or little discussion so it can be difficult to find consensus, and when acting on a request either to do the split or decline it, there can be objections due to lack of input from others. SilkTork 08:42, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Your help desk question

To your final question, I would answer no, but for the cricket article click here: User:Op47/August 2010 in sports/Cricket. Then substitute the name of each sport for any other articles you want to create, such as User:Op47/August 2010 in sports/Football.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:26, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

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Operating system shell

As the discussion on talk: Shell (computing) actually led to a stalemate, I decided to make an (almost) new, clean article. Thank you for your support in cleansing the Misplaced Pages of nonsense – this is not the first instance. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 17:02, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Removal of tag

You removed a split tag without checking the talk page of the article on TM technique. The issue is under discussion. Further, the tag indicates discussion not a split so why would you unilaterally remove such a tag. Please join the discussion to voice your opinion.(olive (talk) 20:43, 5 October 2012 (UTC))

Thanks for your reply, and no worries.(olive (talk) 20:57, 5 October 2012 (UTC))

KNWC AfD

Just letting you know that radio stations enjoy notability per numerous previous AfDs and WP:BROADCAST. With that, I ask that you withdraw your AfD as there is strong consensus that radio stations (AM, FM, and LP) are notable. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:50, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of By-elections to the 29th Canadian Parliament

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Recognition of Native American sacred sites in the United States

I moved your comment over to Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of the Americas. Cheers, -Uyvsdi (talk) 00:56, 28 November 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi

• Recognition of Native American sacred sites in the United States found 27 November 2012. This article is someone's coursework. I found it by accident when doing maintenance. It is currently an orphan. Can you use it? if not then I guess it needs to be deleted. Op47 (talk) 22:21, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

The article seems completely notable but would be the scope of WP:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America. I can link other articles to it. -Uyvsdi (talk) 00:56, 28 November 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi

NPP

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List of pipeline accidents in the United States before 1900

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A barnstar for you!

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List of film director and cinematographer collaborations

Barnstar

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I have deleted the remaining talkpages as requested. SilkTork 11:19, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Thanks for your help..I just don't know what I'm doing, I wasn't trying to create faux notoriety for myself..or delete the speedy deletion header...or any other thing...it all was done completely out of sheer stupidity..and I shall stay far far away from editing wikipedia in future... Thank you.. xox Patricia Wells 19:39, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

List of hospitals in the Federated States of Micronesia

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Talkback/Please sign your post

Dear Op47: You tagged the WisCEL article as an advertisement. I don't have any connection with this group, but I am an educator, so I was able to read through the educational jargon. I have tried to edit the page so that it is more factual and understandable. Would you please check it again and see if you think it is now acceptable? Thanks —Anne Delong (talk) 23:01, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Persecution of Muslims

Yes, I had noticed your contribution. The pictures I deleted from the previous version are also absent from the current one, so that's fine. Thanks. Iblardi (talk) 22:08, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

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List of baronetcies in the Baronetage of the United Kingdom: B

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Vandalism

Hellow SilkTork, I am sorry to trouble you. This year, I have had to remove the same hoax from Nescafé 3 times. Is there a case to be made for having the article protected in some way and if so, who would be the best person to approach? Op47 (talk) 21:43, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

The Nescafé article does experience occasional low level unhelpful edits from IP accounts; however, the article also benefits from edits from IP accounts, so blocking all IP accounts from editing the article at this stage would be inappropriate. I have tracked down the IP account responsible and blocked it for three months - see User talk:94.192.35.21. Even though it appears a static account, unused by anyone else, and it has made inappropriate edits a year apart, and also to the Crow article, we don't generally issue long term blocks on IP accounts, especially for such low level disruption, so three months is the most I can dish out at this stage. It is possible that the person behind the account may do it again next year from the same IP account - if so, let me know, and I'll give a longer block. SilkTork 23:12, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

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Splitting articles

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I have been trying to split some very long lists e.g. List of arcade video games. When I have seen similar lists, there has been a navigation template at the bottom of the page. I have followed suit. Someone has obviously a different view and moved the template to the top of the page. Since these things take a lot of time and there are a lot to do, I would like to develop some kind of policy/process so that there can be no argument (as far as that's possible). How should one go about this? Op47 (talk) 14:59, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Talk:List of arcade video games is the best place to start a discussion; If that fails to go anywhere, then WP:3O and WP:RFC are other options. --Mdann52talk to me! 16:20, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

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Perhaps I should have been clearer above. I know about RfCs for individual articles. The problem is that WP:CLN which is is a guide line gives no guidance on the formatting etc. of nav boxes, but rather it refers to WP:NAV, which is an essay rather than an official guideline. I would like to have a clear guideline/standard for nav boxes. The reason is that at present there are about 100 articles that require to be split up like this. It would be an enourmous pain to have to raise RfCs on each one. How do I go about (e.g.) making WP:NAV policy? Op47 (talk) 12:39, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

If this edit is what you refer to: That's not a navbox but rather a customized table of contents (note that the page doesn't have a "true" table of contents any more).

If you want to elevate WP:NAV to a guideline, you should have a look at WP:PROPOSAL, but I wouldn't be surprised if the consensus turned out to be that we don't need to elevate it. Turning it into a policy is bound to fail - not even the Manual of Style itself is a policy.

What I would suggest instead is to discuss the issue at WT:WikiProject Lists, the talk page of the relevant WikiProject. The people over there should know how we commonly format lists, and what has turned out to be consensus in the past. Huon (talk) 13:25, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of radio broadcast frequency articles

Quite simple, the templates that held spaces for the pages existed long before I decided to fill them in. It's already been decided that radio stations are inherently notable and other frequencies have station lists. Japan IS the only country currently that uses F.M. broadcasting on 76-90Mc. instead of 87/8-108Mc. or 65-74Mc. (old OIRT allocation) so 76.5F.M. would only have stations in Japan listed on it. It has as much right to exist as other station lists.Stereorock (talk) 18:38, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

87.9 exists as 87.9 FM already. 87.9 MHz should redirect to that. I will check it later. Thanks!Stereorock (talk) 20:57, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

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