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| *For this place, Khalidi, p266 gives: HA113, Robinson ii, 349, SWP III: 25 | *For this place, Khalidi, p266 gives: HA113, Robinson ii, 349, SWP III: 25 | ||
| *For ] Khalidi p.320 gives: HA112 robinson ii,340 SWP III: 62 | *For ] Khalidi p.320 gives: HA112 robinson ii,340 SWP III: 62 | ||
| ::Hi Hulda. The name of the place you refer to is not Al-Tannur, Khirbat, but Khirbat al-Tannur. See here, for example . Best, --] (]) 20:52, 23 December 2013 (UTC) | |||
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Cause
Chesdovi, the template has defined causes for expulsion. "Unsuccessful defense by Egyptian forces" is not one of those causes. Morris documents the cause of this villages depopulation as "Military assault on settlement", not "unsuccessful defense by Egyptians". See here. Please revert your edit. nableezy - 15:46, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
- The cause was civil war, with two armies battling for the village. Using "M" would negate that fact and the context. Chesdovi (talk) 17:07, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
- Says you. Benny Morris in a book published by Cambridge University Press says the cause of the depopulation was a military assault on the village. This was not "two armies battling for a village", this was an invasion by paramilitary forces who then proceeded to largely destroy the village after emptying the village of its inhabitants. Your replacing of a reliable source with your personal view is not acceptable on WP. nableezy - 17:16, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
And now you have completely removed the fact the village was depopulated from the article. Explain why your personal views on the causes and outcome of the assault by Jewish forces on this village should replace what reliable sources say. nableezy - 17:18, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
- Sure, it was the zionist assault depop'ed the village. And sure, BM is using "M" - for easy categorising purposes. But if the article mentions that the Egyptian army was in town, it would be wrong to imply that the village was just emptied without a fight for cleansing purposes. In a war, populations shift, because that's what happenes in war. The presence of the Egyptian army in the village could not be ignored. Chesdovi (talk) 17:27, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
- That "presence" is not "ignored", as you said it is clearly stated. But the cause of the depopulation was the military assault. And a reliable source says exactly that. You have replaced the cause as given by a reliable source and admitted by yourself in the preceding comment with unsourced commentary not related to the actual cause of depopulation. You further remove the word "depopulated". You have yet to provide a source that backs up what you wrote in the aritlce, that the cause of depopulation was "unsuccessful defense by Egyptian forces" nor have you provided a source that disputes the cause as it was. Please restore the sourced cause for depopulation. nableezy - 17:43, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
- But the cause of depop. was the unsuccessful defense by Egyptian forces! Chesdovi (talk) 16:19, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
- Again, says you. Benny Morris in a book published by Cambridge University Press says it was the military assault on the village. nableezy - 16:23, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
- But the cause of depop. was the unsuccessful defense by Egyptian forces! Chesdovi (talk) 16:19, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
- That "presence" is not "ignored", as you said it is clearly stated. But the cause of the depopulation was the military assault. And a reliable source says exactly that. You have replaced the cause as given by a reliable source and admitted by yourself in the preceding comment with unsourced commentary not related to the actual cause of depopulation. You further remove the word "depopulated". You have yet to provide a source that backs up what you wrote in the aritlce, that the cause of depopulation was "unsuccessful defense by Egyptian forces" nor have you provided a source that disputes the cause as it was. Please restore the sourced cause for depopulation. nableezy - 17:43, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Arabic
Could somebody add the Arabic to the infobox and lead. The word is علار. nableezy - 03:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Please open page move discussions here
And open requests at WP:RM. Unilateral page moves invite edit-warring. Thanks. Tiamut 08:13, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
- FYI, Walid Khalidi is the source for 17.5 kilometers from Jerusalem.--Geewhiz (talk) 09:00, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Mixup
There is a mixup here between this village and Allar al-Sifla, now called Al-Tannur, Khirbat (I am following Khalidi here). I think most of the Petersen-stuff (the Crusader church) should go into Al-Tannur, Khirbat. The 1264 is about both villages: can stay. Hmm, I have to take a look at the maps and sort out the mixup. Cheers Huldra (talk) 20:32, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
- For this place, Khalidi, p266 gives: HA113, Robinson ii, 349, SWP III: 25
- For Al-Tannur, Khirbat Khalidi p.320 gives: HA112 robinson ii,340 SWP III: 62
- Hi Hulda. The name of the place you refer to is not Al-Tannur, Khirbat, but Khirbat al-Tannur. See here, for example . Best, --Geewhiz (talk) 20:52, 23 December 2013 (UTC)