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• South Yemen insurgency:
  • Two suspected Al-Qaeda militants are killed in a U.S. drone strike in the southeastern province of Hadhramaut. (Reuters)

• A Canadian National Railway train from Toronto carrying crude oil and propane derails and catches fire in Plaster Rock, New Brunswick, in the northwest part of the province, causing 45 homes to be evacuated in a rural area. No one has yet been injured, and the fire has diminished, so far without the propane exploding. (MSN)
• Nine passengers on the Dehradun Express from Mumbai die when the train catches fire. (Gulf News) (BBC News) (CNN) (UPI)
• Two crew members are killed and another is missing after a U.S. Navy MH-53E Sea Dragon helicopter makes an emergency water landing off the Virginia coast, east of Virginia Beach; the two survivors are being treated at a Norfolk hospital. (NBC)
• An avalanche causes one death and temporarily traps three others outside the boundaries of Vail Ski Resort on Vail Mountain in Colorado. (CNN)

• The nominees for the 67th British Academy Film Awards are announced in London. (BBC News)

• Facebook buys the Indian start-up Little Eye Labs. (The Economic Times)

• Influenza A virus subtype H5N1:
  • Alberta Health Services confirms first avian flu death in Alberta. A person admitted to hospital on January 1, 2014, died on January 3 in Calgary. (Calgary Herald)

• Imelda Marcos's former aide is sentenced in New York City for attempting to sell a painting of Claude Monet allegedly bought with embezzled funds. (GMA News)
• The U.S. Department of the Treasury sanctions the Sinaloa Cartel enforcer El Chino Ántrax under the Foreign Narcotics Kingpin Designation Act, which virtually prohibits U.S. citizens from conducting any financial deal with the drug lord and freezes his assets. (The Wall Street Journal)
• A jury at the High Court, London returns an 8-2 majority verdict of lawful killing at the inquest into the death of Mark Duggan, whose death at the hands of Trident Gang Crime Command Metropolitan Police firearms officers in August 2011 sparked the 2011 England Riots. This verdict was reached despite the fact the jury also found that Mark Duggan was not holding a gun when he was shot by the police, sparking protests outside the court and in Tottenham. (BBC News)

• A book released by former U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates criticizes President Barack Obama for his handling of the War in Afghanistan. (Fox News)

• FIFA secretary-general Jérôme Valcke, second in the FIFA hierarchy to president Sepp Blatter, tells Radio France that the 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar will not be played in summer between June and July and will be held in the winter time. FIFA responds by saying no official decision will be made until after the 2014 World Cup. (Sky News) (BBC Sport) (Times of India)
• Thomas Hitzlsperger, recently retired former German international, publicly announces he is gay, the most prominent association football player to do so. (BBC Sport)
• In baseball, Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, and Frank Thomas are elected to the Hall of Fame in voting by the Baseball Writers' Association of America. They will be inducted along with managers Bobby Cox, Tony La Russa, and Joe Torre on July 27 at the Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, New York. (ESPN)
• U.S. sports personality and Basketball Hall of Famer Dennis Rodman defends his visits to North Korea after he is criticized by the family of an American detainee. (CNN)

Akademik Shokalskiy Breaks free

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• Nominated by Ashishg55 (talk · give credit)

• Oppose I thought this would be worthwhile posting, but then I read about how stupid/unnecessary this expedition was. I am assuming that a similar level of stupidity led to the ship being trapped. Nergaal (talk) 21:50, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose this will be a two-liner tonight on Leno. It won't merit two sentences in the EB twenty years from now. μηδείς (talk) 22:10, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Not sure why Leno or something 20 years from now matters for this to be posted... weird reason for oppose -- Ashish-g55 22:13, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

This will be on Leno tonight as a joke. In 20 years it won't be in print anywhere except some old newspapers. It is not encyclopedic in nature. Very obvious reason for an oppose. μηδείς (talk) 22:38, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Does something need to be encyclopaedic to be ITN? Nonetheless, this is approaching WP:SNOW GoldenRing (talk) 14:04, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

• Support This has been a high-interest, major international news story for some time (as judged by the type, location, and depth of coverage in various sources) and readers will be interested in an encyclopedia article about it. --Jayron32 00:46, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose No one's lives were in danger, the worst that would have happened is the lost of the ship after evacuation if it could never gotten free. Interesting but not long-term news. --MASEM (t) 00:49, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. The crew had plenty of supplies and likely would have continued to have been supplied had they still been stuck, so they were in little if any danger. 331dot (talk) 04:13, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
• Strong oppose. A ship getting stuck in ice is not at al unusual. This one only got significant coverage because a) there were a bunch of journalists on board and b) it happened during a slow news week (Christmas - New Year). I'm not even convinced it's worth having an article, let alone an ITN posting. Nothing to see here, move along. Modest Genius 12:52, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose — This is but a footnote to the original story, which was over-reported due to the novel circumstances. Good to update the article, but not ITN-appropriate. Sca (talk) 15:19, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Dinosaur fossils discovered in Saudi Arabia

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• Nominated by Andise1 (talk · give credit)

• Support. A rare find, not just for Saudi Arabia, but the whole Arabian peninsula. 331dot (talk) 11:17, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
• Neither of those articles (], Saudi Arabia) are specific enough. I'm struggling to think where this information could be discussed in sufficient detail for an ITN item to point at it. --LukeSurl 14:23, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
  • According to the PLOS One article, those are titanosaurians and abelisaurids. Brandmeister 16:34, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
• Question: Is this the first time fossils have been found in any of the Middle Eastern countries, or just specific to Saudi? If it is the latter, I don't think it's notable enough for ITN as where dinosaurs might have died wrt to today's geopolitical boundaries is significant. On the other hand, if it is the former and the first of its kind in that region of the world, that would be more significant. --MASEM (t) 17:06, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
  • ( I see 331dot suggest it is for the whole region, but I just want to check this). --MASEM (t) 17:07, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
    • The UPI article states that such finds in the Arabian peninsula are extremely rare because sedimentary rocks(which typically are where dinosaur fossils are found) are not normally found there. A scientist in the same article was quoted as saying "these are the first taxonomically recognizable dinosaurs reported from the Arabian Peninsula." The CBC article also states that the very few fossils that have been found in the area were not recognized as belonging to dinosaurs, either. If this isn't the very first time such a discovery has been made, it is certainly a rare event. 331dot (talk) 17:33, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
      • Does the UPI article know what it's talking about. Oil is primarily found in sedimentary rocks, and they're telling that such rocks are not normally found in the Arabian peninsular? LOL. HiLo48 (talk) 00:17, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Weak oppose. There's nothing apparently remarkable about the dinosaurs themselves. In favor, WP is usually the place I would come looking for details on a story like this. A good article might be worth featuring if we had one. μηδείς (talk) 17:57, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

• Support notable finding--BabbaQ (talk) 18:40, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose A fairly meaningless first. We should not feature obscure arbitrary "first" events. No more consequence for the world of hard science than a similar new dinosaur find in any other country, which we would never dream of featuring. The Dormaalocyon latouri story below is far more novel from a scientific perspective, at first glace. Thue (talk) 19:01, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose, all published science should be a "first". Other than their location, there is nothing interesting about these fossils. Abductive (reasoning) 20:40, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

• Many would argue that the more important published science is reliable replication of the "first" (but I think you mean discovery of objects, species, behaviours, etc?) I had assumed the location here was indeed the news? Perhaps more newsworthy if it had been elsewhere - but we need some expert judgement here? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:47, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose I was going to support thinking from the blurb that these were the oldest dinosaurs remains, just happening to be in Saudi Arabia, but the same way we do not post the soccer winners for this country, we shouldn't post archaeological firsts for this country. Nergaal (talk) 21:45, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose per Nergaal. Modest Genius 12:54, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

RD: Mónica Spear

• Nominated by Lihaas (talk · give credit)

• Oppose WP:ITND#2: "The deceased was widely regarded as a very important figure in his or her field." Notable does not imply "very important". Finished "only" #4 on Miss Universe, little international recognition per article. --hydrox (talk) 08:23, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

• Support. She was notable in her field (I am not going to go into detail and argue whether or not she was very notable in her field. To be honest, I am not an expert on beauty pageants, so I'll leave it as it is). However, the death was widely covered in the media (quick Google results show). As Lihaas states, the murder highlights the growing insecurity problems in Venezuela (as discussed by this source). This may very well be the first notable event of a bloody year in Venezuela. But I hope I'm wrong. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 08:29, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Do we really want to go down the path where celebrity status in any one country warrants an RD mention? --hydrox (talk) 09:20, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Everyone on ITN/RD has celebrity status. Especially actors and people like Vidal Sassoon. That's the definition of "celebrity"Lihaas (talk) 11:46, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

You seem to have misread or misunderstood my comment. I gather you think I said that this nomination should not be posted, because the deceased was a celebrity, and that I claim celebrities should not be posted. But then by the very criteria, it's obvious that everyone posted on RD is already by the very definition a celebrity. So you claim to refute my argument by having demonstrated a clear logical fallacy. However, this is not due to what said, but how you misinterpreted my comment.

What I wanted to say, is that achieving a celebrity status in one non-English speaking country while lacking major international recognition (I am willing to agree that this person seems to have been a "very notable" celebrity in Venezuela, but not internationally), should not mean that we post it here on English Misplaced Pages to the RD. This is because I foresee a flood of nominations if go down that path: there are lots of non-English speaking countries with lots of celebrities, and if we establish a precedent where we post every time one of those celebrities dies (tragically or not), we're soon going to have too many nominations. --hydrox (talk) 14:24, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose Miss V is hardly notable, Miss Universe may have cut it. Death is shocking, but individual is not "very important" in her field. Welcome back Lihaas, happy new year. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:32, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. She does not meet any of the RD criteria; as stated by TRM if she was Miss Universe that might cut it(though I have trouble with considering subjective beauty pageants a 'field') as that would be tops in the field. If this was posted, it should be as a blurb, not for RD if it is the circumstances of her death that make it notable(I would oppose that too, though). 331dot (talk) 11:04, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Considering youre the first one to make an argument about something being "in the news", how can you now say that this is NTO in the news? sO youre setting precedence in saying it doesn't have to be on the news?Lihaas (talk) 11:43, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

The fact remains that she does not meet any of the RD criteria. I did not claim that this was not in the news- but as I have learned over time being in the news has never been sufficient cause to post a story. The fact is this was a single unfortunate murder which we wouldn't have heard about it she were not a past Miss Venezuela(not even the current one) who was 4th runner up, not even the top three. 331dot (talk) 11:53, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

• Support On the front page of my newspaper today, the Miami Herald. The death was lamented by the President of Venezuela. Yes, the woman was a former beauty queen; but she had gone on to be a successful soap opera star. GroveGuy (talk) 17:27, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
  • GroveGuy, even as a soap opera star, it is difficult to see how she meets the RD criteria. 331dot (talk) 17:36, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
  • OK, 331dot, as the others above point out, she fails RD criteria. But I woke up today and saw this story on the front page of my (world class) newspaper. I looked here in Misplaced Pages and saw this nominated article. With a lot of opposition. If is worthy to be noted by Al Jazeera and The Guardian, then I support it. GroveGuy (talk) 18:28, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
    • GroveGuy, Justin Bieber's latest shenanigans are often on the front page of the news; should that be an ITN item? Not the same situation but the point is that merely being in the news has never been sufficient cause to post a story. 331dot (talk) 04:06, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose Fails the RD requirement - how she died does not change this. --Somchai Sun (talk) 17:37, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
• Support - per fact that she was a notable actress in her part of the world. --BabbaQ (talk) 18:41, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose Beauty queen and soap opera actress (not exactly "notable actress")doesn't rise to RD criteria, I'm afraid. 212.139.241.55 (talk) 18:49, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

• Then you do not understand how popular these telenovelas are in that part of the world. but that is another discussion..--BabbaQ (talk) 18:52, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

• But then again, the criterion says "The deceased was widely regarded as as a very important figure in his or her field" (my emphasis). Clearly not that widely regarded I'm afraid. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:55, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose support fails rd requirement, however so did punch of other people in the past so I quess that doesn't mean much anymore. Changing to support thanks to earlier precedent set by Walker and Monteith. SeraV (talk) 18:58, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose Miss Venezuela winners just aren't that important in the context of world history. Thue (talk) 19:03, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
• Support full blurb first, this is a murder, so the mode of death is newsworthy. Also, this is huge news in the Spanish press, and there's no question we'd be posting this if it were an English-speaking actress of the same calibre--certainly more newsworthy than, not to put it rudely, an overdose of a one-hit-wonder. μηδείς (talk) 22:35, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
• Support per Medeis, BabbaQ, etc. Death is receiving a lot of worldwide press. --Jayron32 00:49, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
• Comment: This nomination seems similar along the lines to the Cory Monteith and Paul Walker nominations: mildly famous subject (article exists but not at the very top of his/her field) with a dramatic, surprising/early death. Not a statement of support or opposition, but I'm curious to see how this nomination will end. Spencer 02:42, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Monteith and Walker died of their own misadventures. Here we have the murder of a national beauty queen and TV star and her husband on vacation in their homeland. It is being reported as emblematic of her country's problems, not the death of a cute boy from his poor judgment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Medeis (talk • contribs)

• Oppose At least Paul Walker had a large role in a notable series, and his death had a pretty big affect on the production of the next one. I can't say the same for a soap actress who happened to win a beauty contest. Taylor Trescott - + _{my edits} 02:46, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
• Support Notable actress in her home country that is receiving international and global coverage for her death. The only difference between Spear and Paul Walker and Cory Monteith (B-list movie and TV actors) is the systematic bias that hypes up the deaths of North American celebrities over one from an area of the world that receives less coverage. Agne/ 03:48, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
• Comment - article needs work as the English is rather poor (probably written by non-native speakers, so understandable, but still needs fixed for teh article to get serious consideration). --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:53, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

comment in line with all the other actors et al we post: (from the page) "Spear became one of the most successful actresses in Venezuela for her main roles in soap operas". And weve posted plenty of people who are not at the very top but one of the..Lihaas (talk) 07:15, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

• Comment At least Walker (and Monteith to an extent) had worldwide (i.e. broad) notability as actors in hugely successful international television shows and movies. They spanned the globe. This woman appeared in a handful of episodes in a handful of soap operas, and won no awards whatsoever for doing so. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:20, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

nevertheless neither of them met our requirements and were posted only because of anglo bias we have here. Indeed I agree with anon that since Walker and Monteith died of their own misadventures they were much worse candidates than Mónica is thanks to her being murdered. SeraV (talk) 16:48, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

No, I don't buy that. All three died unexpectedly, who are we to determine whether one unexpected death makes someone a better candidate than another unexpected death? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:42, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Again, I think Walker's and Monteith's contributions are being over-hyped and oversold due to North American bias. Unlike folks such as Peter O'Toole, no one will be talking about the cinematic accomplishments of Walker and Monteith 30, 40, 50 years down the road. Will people be talking about Spear? Probably not but, again, the only difference between her and Walker/Monteith is the systematic bias that favored and over-represents the contributions two b-list North American actors over a notable actress from an area of the world that is grossly under-represented. Agne/ 17:51, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Well, I agree with your assessment of Monteith, but Walker featured in films that took global box office receipts in excess of $2 billion. And that was just six of the dozens of films he featured in. Your enthusiasm for a Venezuelan soap actress is admirable, but really she's not "top of her field" or "widely regarded as notable". This is just fact. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:56, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Neither of which makes him (Walker) "top of his field" or "widely regarded as notable" so you claiming high ground in this discussion is just ridiculous. SeraV (talk) 18:25, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, worldwide recognition and an actor whose last few movies had more success outside his native country, makes him widely regarded as notable. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:27, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm not convinced that Walker was anymore worthy of RD featuring than Spear is. I doubt anyone 30, 40, 50 years down the road will have the faintest idea how many The Fast and the Furious movies were made (or Walker's role in them) much less that it took 6 feature films and 2 shorts films to reach a combine gross of 2.3 billion (or an average of 287.5 mill a film which is actually kind of pathetic). Toy Story 3, alone, made 1.06 billion and while I'm sure Tom Hanks and perhaps Tim Allen would get some RD consideration, I doubt Joan Cusack would get much support even though she voiced a very notable character (Jessie) in a film series that completely dwarfed F&F in both box office receipts and lasting cinematic value. Though you could argue that Cusack doesn't have the same "cool-factor" as Paul Walker does for the 18-35 North American male video-gamer demographic if that matters. Do I think Mónica Spear is on par with Joan Cusack? No, but, obviously the Walker/Monteith precedent shows that we're not too concerned with cinematic accomplishments. And, again, outside of systematic bias of that same 18-35 North American male video-gamer demo, I see little difference between the accomplishment and global coverage of Spear's death compared to Walker's. Agne/ 18:48, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

287.5m is "kind of pathetic"?! Never mind. Spear accomplished nothing but minor celebrity status in soap operas in Venezuela. Walker accomplished worldwide notability. Just because you don't like the kind of movies he was in, that's irrelevant. (Oh, and Cusack, at least, has won some Emmys, I couldn't see any awards for Monica, I think Cusack would stand a good shout for an unexpected death RD should the need arise). The Rambling Man (talk) 18:55, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

I've made no personal comment on whether or not I've liked any of Walker's movies. While not male, I certainly do fall into the 18-35 North American video-gamer demographic. But I'm able to set aside my own personal systematic bias towards over-hyping the accomplishments of someone like Walker to realize that in other parts of world the death of someone like Spear merits global coverage and consideration. Agne/ 19:01, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

I gave it due consideration, and it fails to meet the RD criteria. That's not systemic bias, that's "failing to meet the RD criteria". The Rambling Man (talk) 19:04, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose Participant in Miss Universerse and playing in soap operas, but not widely regarded as a particular important person in neither of these two fields. So, doesn't meet the ordinary criteria for RD and we don't normally put much weight on notability gained trhough an unusual death. Also oppose blurb, while this death is reported internationally, I don't think it is a dominant news story or one with particular encyclopedia value. Iselilja (talk) 19:19, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
• Comment. If this is so unimportant, why are we discussing this so much? For the second day this is still a featured story on CNN. Now they have caught the murderers. I'd be willing to make a big $ bet that they make a movie about this. Plot: As a little kid her middle class family flees the chaos of an evolving dictatorship. But she goes back to her country to become mega famous - in 2005 she is voted the fifth most beautiful woman in the world. She then gets some small acting jobs but again flees her country to get starring roles in Miami. Last - she visits her homeland to show it off to her five year old daughter. Gruesome death scene. GroveGuy (talk) 19:39, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Probably still being discussed because of the previous postings of Monteith and Walker, nothing more. She fails RD, simple. If you all want a blurb about how this is going to bring peace to Venezuela, suggest that (I see opposing political leaders actually shook hands so things must be on the up.) The Rambling Man (talk) 19:41, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
• Miss Venezuela and husband killed in contract hit? Per VZ' president. This is top of the news for the third day. Portraying this as the "death" of a Miss Universe participant obscures the fact that it's the murder of a Miss Venezuela winner. Certainly the top of her field, and notable world-wide. μηδείς (talk) 00:31, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose RD, Neutral Blurb this is a murder... that should disqualify it for RD automatically. Either discuss full blurb or dont post it. I dont think we've ever posted a murder on RD. -- Ashish-g55 02:08, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose not notable or important enough to be ITN-worthy. -Zanhe (talk) 18:13, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
• Someone above claims "Certainly the top of her field"; which "field" is that? The "being a model in Venezuela in 2004" field? No. Eva Ekvall was far classier, had a much bigger and more important message, died tragically, but wait, she wasn't in a soap opera or two... The Rambling Man (talk) 21:50, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Dormaalocyon latouri

• Nominated by Andise1 (talk · give credit)

• If this is going to be posted, we need to make it clear that Carnivora is what is intended, and not carnivore. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:33, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
• Can't post without expansion--two sentences at present! Abductive (reasoning) 20:41, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

That is why I said the article needs some work. Andise1 (talk) 21:02, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

• DYK It's interesting in that it shows Miacis as historically viewed is an invalid, polyphyletic group. But for the general readership I doubt the teeth and jaw and foot bones rise to the level of ITN notability. μηδείς (talk) 22:39, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

January 7

Portal:Current events/2014 January 7

January 7, 2014 (2014-01-07) (Tuesday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian opposition–Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant conflict Both belligerents execute dozens of their prisoners of war. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents Four people are killed in a US Air Force HH-60 Pave Hawk crash on England's Norfolk coast. (The Independent) (BBC News) (The Daily Telegraph) Law and crime Infanta Cristina, the youngest daughter of the King of Spain, Juan Carlos I, is charged by a magistrate with tax evasion and money laundering. (Euronews) Five members of the Citizens' Commission to Investigate the FBI, who in 1971 stole documents from the US Federal Bureau of Investigation and gave them to journalists, come forth. The leak exposed COINTELPRO, a program of surveillance and blackmail against American leftists including Martin Luther King Jr. (New York Times) (The Guardian) (New York Magazine) Sports United States gold winning Olympic athlete Lindsey Vonn announces she is pulling out of her run for the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi due to a re-injured right knee. (Washington Post) (ESPN) RD: Run Run Shaw Article: Run Run Shaw (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): BBC News South China Morning Post Bloomberg The New York Times Credits: Nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit) Updated by Lmmnhn (talk · give credit) Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:54, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Support. Reading his article, he seems to be very important in his field. 331dot (talk) 11:01, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Support - Well, to be honest my first reaction was he was still alive?. But yes, very influential individual in the growth of the Singaporean/Malaysian and HK film industries. The Shaw brothers helped Malaysian cinema grow to rival that of the Indies in size. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:14, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Support, I read the article, having never heard of him, and it's really good. He has won numerous significant awards and also established a prize. CaptRik (talk) 12:51, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Support notable death and a very good article. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:59, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Support - one of the most influential film moguls in China, Hong Kong, and Southeast Asia. -Zanhe (talk) 15:01, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Support RD Never heard of him before, but his bio is compelling. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:07, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Posted Thue (talk) 18:43, 7 January 2014 (UTC) January 6 Portal:Current events/2014 January 6 January 6, 2014 (2014-01-06) (Monday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks War in North-West Pakistan: A bomb detonates in a tribal elder's home in Khyber Agency, Pakistan, killing 10 people and injuring another nine. (Global Post) War in Afghanistan (2001–2021): A suicide car bomber detonates at a police checkpoint in Ghazni Province, Afghanistan, killing three police officers. (AP via Washington Post) Islamist insurgency in Nigeria: Gunmen kill 30 people in the central Nigerian village of Shonong in the Riyom local government area. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2014 North American cold wave Record low temperatures are predicted for parts of the United States with wind chill temperatures expected to drop as low as −51 °C (−60 °F). (Los Angeles Times) (CBS News) (Washington Post) International relations The Czech Foreign Minister Jan Kohout uses strong words to condemn the discovery of illegal weapons at the Palestinian embassy complex where a possible booby-trapped safe killed the ambassador Jamal al-Jamal on January 1, saying it is "a serious violation of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations." (Miami Herald) Law and crime American-born Colleen LaRose, who calls herself Jihad Jane, is sentenced to 10 years in prison for a failed al Qaeda-linked plot to kill Swedish artist Lars Vilks who had depicted the head of the Muslim Prophet Mohammad on a dog. (BBC News) Venezuelan beauty queen Mónica Spear and her British ex-husband are murdered during a carjacking in Caracas. (Al Jazeera) Politics The US Senate confirms Janet Yellen as the new chair of the Federal Reserve; Yellen will be the first woman to hold this post. (Washington Post) Sport In college football, the Florida State Seminoles defeat the Auburn Tigers to win the 2014 BCS National Championship Game. (WFAA) In golf, Zach Johnson wins the 2014 Hyundai Tournament of Champions. (ESPN) Sobekhotep I tomb Article: Sobekhotep I (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ A team of archeaologists identifies the tomb of Egyptian pharaoh Sobekhotep I. (Post) News source(s): UniversityHerald, Mail&Guardian, VoiceofRussia Credits: Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · give credit) Article updatedNominator's comments: Egypt's antiquities minister announced the discovery on this Monday. Brandmeister 18:00, 8 January 2014 (UTC) Support the article is updated, and where do you expect to get info on a find like this, if not WP? μηδείς (talk) 18:03, 8 January 2014 (UTC) Weak support the article isn't brilliant, I've made a few changes, and written some of the sentences in grammatically correct English, but it's a reasonably interesting topic, albeit one that seems to have very little to say about it. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:43, 8 January 2014 (UTC) Support - I haven't looked too deeply into this, but it seems interesting and encyclopedic, it's a topic that we rarely cover, and it's somewhat analogous to the discovery of Richard III's remains, which we posted last year. --Bongwarrior (talk) 22:59, 8 January 2014 (UTC) Support - the type of news that befits an encyclopedia. -Zanhe (talk) 01:31, 9 January 2014 (UTC) Posted Stephen 01:46, 9 January 2014 (UTC) Janet Yellen Article: Janet Yellen (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ The United States Senate confirms Janet Yellen's nomination to be Chair of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors. (Post) Alternative blurb: ​ Janet Yellen is confirmed as the Chair of the Federal Reserve, the first woman to hold the position. News source(s): New York Times Reuters Washington Post Credits: Nominated by GroveGuy (talk · give credit)  --GroveGuy (talk) 15:53, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Weak support based on the precedent that her predecesor, Ben Bernake, was posted when he was confirmed by the Senate for a second term, and because Yellen is the first woman to be Fed Chair. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:10, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Support altblurb - chairman of the Federal Reserve is one of the most influential positions in the world. -Zanhe (talk) 16:15, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Support Especially in this time of financial crisis and controversial loose financial policy by the US Federal Reserve, this is one of the economically most important positions in the world. Her economic policy (dove) is much more important that her being a woman, so support main blurb, though "confirmed" should be changed to "confirms", as we write blurbs in present tense. Thue (talk) 18:36, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Support Arguably one of the most powerful positions in the world. And the first woman to hold it. The first point is the most important, so I support the main blurb. Iselilja (talk) 18:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Weak Support basically opposed as biased (we don't normally post cabinet-level appointments), but this will have huge interest and we will be a good source for readers. μηδείς (talk) 18:53, 7 January 2014 (UTC) This is actually above cabinet level, since the president does not have to power to remove the Fed chair. It is more like a Supreme Court nomination, albeit term-limited. (I support, by the way.) Looie496 (talk) 19:14, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Support Notable by virtue of being the first woman in the post (oh for the time when this isn't, etc. etc.) doktorb words 19:02, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Support altblurb. Notable for the first woman to hold such a powerful position. 331dot (talk) 22:07, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Posted alt blurb. --Bongwarrior (talk) 23:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Too Long the blurb The United States Senate confirms Janet Yellen as the first woman Federal Reserve Chair would fit on half the space o the current blurb while hitting all the same facts. μηδείς (talk) 01:21, 8 January 2014 (UTC) Comment - so posting the new Fed Head is more important than a new CIA Chief? Interesting. Jusdafax 06:46, 8 January 2014 (UTC) The head of the CIA must carry out the President's wishes and can be removed by them. The Fed chair cannot be removed by the President. The Fed also has a wider effect on the economy(both in the US and globally) than the CIA. 331dot (talk) 11:12, 8 January 2014 (UTC) Wait? Clicking on the Chair of the Federal Reserve link above shows that the current chair doesn't leave office until 31st Jan. When we post (for example) change of governments the assumption is, I think, that they happen immediately. CaptRik (talk) 08:10, 8 January 2014 (UTC) We generally post the result of an election when it's announced. We only very rarely post the consequent change of government. I would see this akin to her being now elected, and someone already said the Bernake too was posted on his election by Senate. --hydrox (talk) 08:15, 8 January 2014 (UTC) Support Altblurb is okay i.e. I think her being the first woman in this position should be mentioned. Post now, although does not formally take office until the end of month, as this was reported now and she has now been definitely designated for the office by the body that decides on the nomination. --hydrox (talk) 08:15, 8 January 2014 (UTC) PULL we always wait till they take office as in the UNSC elections. Its 3 weeks away and that's what notable. Why the hypocrisy?Lihaas (talk) 10:35, 8 January 2014 (UTC) This isn't an election, it is an appointment and confirmation. It is also in the news now as notable for her being the first woman to get the position. Could you also demonstrate where we waited until the person took office to post? We generally post the results of elections when they are known, not when the government takes office(as ITNR states we generally do not post inaugurations) 331dot (talk) 11:10, 8 January 2014 (UTC) An election is a choice, She was elected by the senate just as the UNSC is elected by the UNGA. Similar two deliberative bodies.Lihaas (talk) 11:45, 8 January 2014 (UTC) There was not a 'choice'; the Senate could only accept or reject her, not select a different person. 331dot (talk) 11:47, 8 January 2014 (UTC) I sympathize with Lihaas's pull. But if she dies or withdraws in the meantime that will be even bigger news, and we'll publish an update. μηδείς (talk) 23:10, 8 January 2014 (UTC) North American Polar Vortex Article: 2014 polar vortex (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ The 2014 polar vortex, an Arctic cold front, brings record low temperatures to Canada and the United States (Post) Alternative blurb: ​ The 2014 polar vortex brings record low temperatures to North America and gales and heavy rain to Northern Europe. News source(s): Fox News (record lows, deaths), NYT (record lows), BBC (damage caused), NPR (some good quotes on the severity) Credits: Updated and nominated by Sven Manguard (talk · give credit) Updated by Mardus (talk · give credit) Nominator's comments: Current extreme weather event --Sven Manguard Wha? 17:06, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Support though I've suggested an alternative blurb that mentions some of the wider effects. Does anyone know if the same phenomenon is causing extreme weather in Russia? GoldenRing (talk) 17:28, 6 January 2014 (UTC) GoldenRing: Do we have sources that connect all of these as one event? If so, we definitely need to change the article, as the sources I have found (and thus the article) are all focused on North America. Sven Manguard Wha? 17:54, 6 January 2014 (UTC) The contrast between the cold north and warm south in NA has apparently caused the polar jet stream to go faster, leading to windiness in Europe. I've heard that on the news a few times - I don't imagine it would be hard to source. As to whether it is fascinating enough for tthe blurb or whether the story should be posted at all - less sure. Formerip (talk) 23:24, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Support This is unusually extreme, definitely in the news, and probably got quite a high amount of page views at the moment. CaptRik (talk) 22:01, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Oppose any mention of Europe - The European & NA weather events are not being treated as a correlating event here, even if it technically is. While the weather in Europe is bad, it's not ITN-worthy, and as usual in the UK we have the news making a big deal over a few flooded homes (always by rivers and the sea) and people acting foolish around fast flowing water. As for the NA side of things - Neutral - I could of sworn other record-breaking weather events have not been posted, correct me if I'm wrong on this. In the grand scheme of things, the weather in North America is not really a major, mass-causality causing catastrophe. --Somchai Sun (talk) 23:26, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Support original blurb, no need to mention "heavy rain" in Europe --Երևանցի 23:30, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Comment - Leaning support but the linked article is still sketchy. Jusdafax 00:21, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Posted without mention of Europe. Stephen 00:42, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Oppose and pull cold weather in winter is of no notability; there's not even a major storm associated with this stub. We usually have at least four supports before we post an article so quickly. It's not like the death of the King of England that it needs posting with barely 6 hours of comment. μηδείς (talk) 01:26, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Support, pull OK. I would agree there was not enough support to post this(and don't object to pulling it), but the coldest weather in decades, if not ever, for most of the affected area is clearly notable as it has disrupted air travel across North America, closed schools, and is life-threatening in many places. News coverage is widespread and not limited to the US. 331dot (talk) 01:34, 7 January 2014 (UTC) The coldest weather in decades happens in various places every year, but we don't post them all. I'm not necessarily saying pull, but that that doesn't seem like a very strong rationale. Formerip (talk) 02:10, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Comment, clearly this is an unusual weather event, with records being broken. But the article is far too short, and does not fully explain the causes and extent of the event. Perhaps a map would help. Abductive (reasoning) 01:39, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Comment I think blurb needs to say Canada and US instead of North America. I dont know why but the way its written it sounds weird as 2 specific countries are affected and not the entire North America. Proposed blurb was factually correct -- Ashish-g55 04:41, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Let's compare this to Typhoon Haiyan which killed well over 6,000 but took us days to post even after it had more casualties than this low. I am sure this is a huge matter to people who will be warming up their cars in a few hours (I am expecting a low of 0 F when I walk out the door on the 7th), but the article is a stub, the occurrence is a regular one, and the local bias is obvious to the point of blindingness. μηδείς (talk) 05:13, 7 January 2014 (UTC) It actually took slightly less than a day to be posted. --Bongwarrior (talk) 05:26, 7 January 2014 (UTC) It took a day from landfall for it to be posted. The nomination was up well before that. μηδείς (talk) 17:18, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Incorrect. It was nominated at 17:41 on 7 November 2013, and posted at 17:35 on 8 November 2013, with landfall occurring 5-6 hours after nomination. --Bongwarrior (talk) 19:34, 7 January 2014 (UTC) I acknowledge your correction, thanks. I must have been thinking of the other major Typhoon that hit southern China east of Hong Kong last summer and only killed several hundreds or so. Unfortunately I can't think of the name. In any case, we're not looking at a six-hour turnaround. I will withdraw my objection to that article itself at this point, which has been updated above three bare paragraphs. I think it is still clear that the rush to post this contrasts very strongly with the usual standard for weather events outside the anglosphere. I am not sure that last year's cold weather in Eastern Europe was even posted. μηδείς (talk) 20:35, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Speaking to my own motivations for posting this, according to the sources I've read, this isn't just cold, it's once-in-twenty-years cold. I'm also not at all active in this area, so I had no idea if this was going to stick or not. It was, however, in the news, including international news, so I figured I'd give it a shot. Sven Manguard Wha? 06:03, 7 January 2014 (UTC) A cat rescued from a fire in Los Angeles makes international news these days. Hollyowood romances make international news these days. I wish we had a better measure. HiLo48 (talk) 00:30, 8 January 2014 (UTC) For those of us who remember what the Encyclopedia Britannica was, one can ask, "Would this article merit a quarter of a page of coverage 50 years after it happened?" If not, it's not encyclopedic, and not worth front page coverage. That would, of course, mean 99% of the sports coverage we have would go away. But that's to be wished, just as it is a good thing that we are no longer listing a video game as the featured article every 8 days. μηδείς (talk) 01:17, 8 January 2014 (UTC) Yep. I reckon that time perspective is a valuable one. I usually suggest ten or twenty years. Though when it comes to sport, I'd still argue that three articles a year on the world's second most popular sport (discussed elsewhere on this page) is not out of order. HiLo48 (talk) 01:25, 8 January 2014 (UTC) Point conceded. Perhaps 1/98 of the sports items are justified. μηδείς (talk) 02:07, 8 January 2014 (UTC) I wouldn't have supported had I seen this last night (whether I would have opposed or declined to comment would have depended on how much research I was willing to do), but I wouldn't pull now. Even in a country with as convoluted a legal system as the US, it now being illegal to drive in most of Indiana is an indication of how exceptional these conditions are for the region. —WFC— FL wishlist 14:55, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Turkey Corruption Scandal Article: 2013 corruption scandal in Turkey (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ In response to the ongoing corruption investigation into his government, Prime Minister of Turkey Recep Tayyip Erdoğan orders the removal of 350 police officers from their posts. (Post) News source(s): , Credits: Updated and nominated by GoldenRing (talk · give credit) Article updatedNominator's comments: A major, ongoing government and constitutional story from Turkey, with possible implications for the EU given Turkey's membership bid, and this is a major development in it, probably as good a reference point as any for ITN. Note that the decree issued at midnight in turkey on the 7th but that is still the 6th UTC. --GoldenRing (talk) 13:41, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Comment The blurb does not fully do justice to the magnitude of the story, which has brought down a number of senior government ministers – the economic impact is alleged in some sources to exceed $100billion. Even if that is a somewhat inflated figure, there is no doubt that this story is too big to dismiss out of hand. The only question is whether this is the optimal moment to run it. —WFC— FL wishlist 15:07, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Support if even bigger things happens about this in the future we can just post this again. SeraV (talk) 15:18, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Support Notable corruption scandal which is having an evident impact of the Turkish body politic. Plot Spoiler (talk) 15:29, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Support in some form, but this story is bigger than just the removal of 350 police officers. Thue (talk) 18:33, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Agreed, but it is one of those stories that is so big it rumbles on for months without finding anything that is individually ITN-worthy. I'd be very open to anyone formulating a better blurb that better encompases the whole story, though. GoldenRing (talk) 14:04, 8 January 2014 (UTC) Comment, situation is murky and hard to read. Should it wait until the government falls? Abductive (reasoning) 20:12, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Well it's not clear that the government will fall - it's just WP:CRYSTAL. Neljack (talk) 23:33, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Wouldn't that make this event not important enough to post? When have any scandals ever been posted to ITN? Abductive (reasoning) 03:05, 8 January 2014 (UTC) The story here is not 'scandal' as such, but the exposure of an enormous amount of corruption (value est tens of billions of US$) and a developing constitutional battle between the police, the judiciary and the executive. The removal of 350 police officers struck me as representative of the constitutional battle going on. GoldenRing (talk) 14:04, 8 January 2014 (UTC) Sorry for editing discussion, just noticed that I'd posted this in the wrong place. GoldenRing (talk) 14:05, 8 January 2014 (UTC) Support per WFC and SeraV. Comment: The article could probably use some cleanup. There seems to be an indiscriminate listing of names of anyone and everyone charged; this should probably be limited to notable people or at least those with an article. Spencer 23:15, 8 January 2014 (UTC) January 5 Portal:Current events/2014 January 5 January 5, 2014 (2014-01-05) (Sunday) edit history watch Attacks and conflicts Syrian Civil War spillover in Lebanon: A sniper kills a man and six people are wounded in clashes between districts in Tripoli, Lebanon, that support rival sides in neighboring Syria's civil war. (Reuters) Politics and elections Voters in Bangladesh go to the polls for a general election. (BBC News) Science and technology A launch of the communication satellite GSAT-14 aboard the GSLV MK.II D5 marks the first successful flight of an Indian cryogenic engine. (The Hindu) Sports In ice hockey, the 2014 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships concludes with Finland defeating host team Sweden in the final 3–2, winning the tournament for the first time since 1998. (CBC) In cricket, the 2013–14 Ashes series concludes with Australia whitewashing England 5-0 to regain The Ashes after 7 years. (ABC.net) Disasters and accidents A small jet carrying three Mexican men from Toluca crashes while trying to land at the Aspen–Pitkin County Airport in the U.S. state of Colorado, killing the co-pilot, seriously injuring the pilot and slightly injuring the passenger. (CBC) Result of 2013-14 Ashes series Clear consensus against posting. Bencherlite 16:06, 7 January 2014 (UTC) The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Article: 2013-14 Ashes series (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ In cricket, The Ashes conclude with Australia defeating England 5-0. (Post) News source(s): NDTV Credits: Nominated by Royroydeb (talk · give credit) Both articles updatedNominator's comments: Australia regain the Ashes after 7 years. RRD13 (talk) 16:37, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Support if we didn't also post it after the third test - I remember a discussion but not what the outcome was. Of course, I'd like to see a blurb that included the words 'crushing' and 'whitewash' but we can't have everything... GoldenRing (talk) 17:23, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Moot: we already posted the story on 20 December, after the third test. No reason to post it again just because we now know the final scoreline. Modest Genius 17:24, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Again support England cricket team for the recent deaths blurb. And a shiny new donkey for whoever brings me the head of Mitchell Johnson... Lugnuts 18:41, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Oppose per Modest Genius, no reason to post twice. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:48, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Oppose I posted this previously after the 3rd test. Spencer 20:11, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Oppose per Modest Genius. (support Lugnuts' comment tho) CaptRik (talk) 21:59, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Oppose Already posted. Although if you want to show wikipedia readers how much the England team sucked, be my guest. --Somchai Sun (talk) 22:13, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Support Yes, we did post that Australia had regained The Ashes after the 3rd Test, but this final result after five Tests is a newsworthy one. A five-nil result is rare, and was completely unexpected in this case. A new posting is appropriate. HiLo48 (talk) 22:19, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Oppose per Modest Genius. Though truth be told I think we erred in doing the Dec 20th posting and probably should have just waited till the conclusion. Agne/ 23:21, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Agreed. Which is why ITNR says 'the conclusion of the tournament or series', but apparently no-one read that. Modest Genius 01:15, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Oppose per Modest Genius. Should probably have been posted now and not then, but it was done and we don't need to do it twice. 331dot (talk) 23:30, 6 January 2014 (UTC) I have a feeling we still have a number of editors commenting here who have no idea how The Ashes work. This is not the same event twice. Nor is it similar to the World Series. There are two distinct newsworthy events here. HiLo48 (talk) 23:55, 6 January 2014 (UTC) If the newsworthy event is the 5-0 win and not the win itself(why was there a need to play two more rounds if they had already won?), then the blurb should be radically rewritten to state that's the story here. 331dot (talk) 00:19, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Your bracketed question proves my point. You have no idea how The Ashes work. It's not my job to teach you here. There's plenty of material available here on Misplaced Pages and elsewhere for you to learn from. But until you do learn, please stop commenting on matters you know almost nothing about. HiLo48 (talk) 00:48, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Your criticism of my opinion completely dodged my valid point that the blurb does not reflect what you feel the story is here. Whether I understand cricket or not is irrelevant if the blurb does not match the story. I can certainly make a judgement as to the newsworthiness of a story without a total understanding of it; people do that here every day. Until there is a policy prohibiting me from doing so, I will comment on what I see fit. You are free to ignore me or criticize me(as you did). And, by the way, giving a little info to opponents of this or those who you feel don't understand it, to help them understand will only help it get posted, not hurt. 331dot (talk) 01:08, 7 January 2014 (UTC) HiLo48, for the Ashes nomination in December you wrote "This is big news NOW. The final result of the series will definitely be lesser news. It's ITN/R, this is the big news from the series, so it should be posted now." So it was posted. So why are you pushing so hard for another posting, against your prior commentary? Stephen 01:13, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Because of the completely unexpected 5-0 result. Australia lost to England 3-0 just a few months ago in England. (In a five Test series, just to confuse some people!) The media didn't expect this result. The players didn't. I didn't expect this result. Hence my enthusiasm to post this now. had it been anything less than 5-0 in a five Test series, I wouldn't be pushing this. HiLo48 (talk) 01:17, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Maybe the moral of the story here is to wait for the conclusion of the event, as some have said here. 331dot (talk) 01:21, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Well I'd say that by 3-0 we had a pretty good idea that this was an insipid and uninspiring England team, and 5-0 was rather likely. But hindsight is always 20:20. Stephen 01:27, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Both events have been covered extensively in the news. Why should only one be posted? HiLo48 (talk) 01:32, 7 January 2014 (UTC) (outdent) I don't think saying "Well you just don't understand The Ashes" counts, especially since it is likely that a fair number of English Misplaced Pages readers will likely "not understand" and similarly be confused about why we are posting a 2nd blurb from the same cricket event so soon after the first. As Misplaced Pages:ITN/R#Cricket notes, we usually only feature around 3 blurbs about cricket in an entire year so I think it is fair to question why we are featuring another blurb only 3 weeks after the previous one. Agne/ 01:36, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Wow. Only three a year? For what's probably the world's second most popular sport? (For those questioning that in their minds, think of India.) Our systemic bias really is a problem, isn't it? HiLo48 (talk) 01:48, 7 January 2014 (UTC) On the flip side, you can look at the long list of non-sports related news blurbs that weekly get rejected for various reasons and ask if a systematic bias is at play in that we have upwards of 65-74 slots a year on ITN dedicated to reoccurring sports stories? Agne/ 01:56, 7 January 2014 (UTC) (to HiLo) You bring up systemic bias but also say it is "not your job" to educate people which might help to blunt it. You want to be an anti-systemic bias warrior, then be one and help people. 331dot (talk) 02:02, 7 January 2014 (UTC) I do get a bit worn out here with non-experts expressing opinions on matters in deep ignorance. How would you feel if Australians kept making dumb comments on the World Series or Superbowl, insisting they weren't important? I won't dare comment on the Superbowl. I might comment on the World Series, because I'm one of those rare Australian who knows a fair bit about baseball. (Want me to explain the infield fly rule?) HiLo48 (talk) 02:11, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Oppose. The result is worthy of posting once, not twice. For those who believe that it should have been posted now, blame the idiots who supported posting mid-way through a series (which we rightly didn't do for the series in England). —WFC— FL wishlist 15:26, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Comment for some persepective on this, it's only the third whitewash in the whole of the history of The Ashes as this BBC article notes. In that regard, saying it was unexpected is a little like stating the bleeding obvious. However, The Ashes were won after the third Test. Not the fourth. Not the fifth. The remaining Tests were dead rubbers. Meaningless, in the context of who's got The Ashes (which, incidentally, will always be England as they don't leave Lords, after all). The Rambling Man (talk) 15:27, 7 January 2014 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Successful launch of the GSLV using an Indian cryogenic stage Article: Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ A launch of the communication satellite GSAT-14 aboard the GSLV MK.II D5 marks the first successful flight of an Indian cryogenic engine. (Post) Alternative blurb: ​ India's first cryogenic rocket engine, the CE-7.5 makes its first successful flight as part of a GSLV Mk.II rocket carrying GSAT-14 News source(s): (The Hindu) Credits: Nominated by Piyush Sriva (talk · give credit) Updated by Ramakrishnan.nikhil (talk · give credit) Both articles updatedNominator's comments: The sixth space agency to demonstrate a successful flight of a cryogenic rocket engine --Piyush (talk) 16:04, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Questions. Does a new engine make this a new rocket? It would be ITNR if it does- it would also be ITNR if the fact this is an Indian built engine makes it an 'indigenous orbital launch'(if it's their first one). 331dot (talk) 16:23, 6 January 2014 (UTC) A previous launch of the rocket used, the GSLV Mk.II, occurred in April 2010. On that flight the new engine failed to ignite. India's first indigenous orbital launch occurred in 1980 - Sunday's is their forty-first. --W. D. Graham 16:30, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Thanks for the information; it clearly is not ITNR. 331dot (talk) 16:33, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Comment I'm a little ambivalent about this one. It's been a slow month for news so far and this is quite a significant achievement for India, however sixth country isn't the same as first country - cryogenic propulsion is nothing new - and India has had launch capability (albeit using solid and non-cryogenic liquid propellant) for years. Neutral on posting, but if it is posted I'd suggest making CE-7.5 the main article rather than GSLV. --W. D. Graham 16:28, 6 January 2014 (UTC) I've added an alt blurb to this effect. --W. D. Graham 16:36, 6 January 2014 (UTC) ISIS captures Fallujah Article: Anbar clashes (2013–14) (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant captures the city of Fallujah in Anbar province. (Post) Alternative blurb: ​ The Al-Qaeda affiliated Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant captures the city of Fallujah in Anbar province. News source(s): Fox News Credits: Nominated by FutureTrillionaire (talk · give credit) Article updatedNominator's comments: Fallujah is an important city, close to Baghdad the capital. Also, one of the deadliest battles of the Iraq War was fought there. FutureTrillionaire (talk) 16:58, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Changing "Al Qaeda-linked militants" to "The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" as it's more specific. -LukeSurl 17:05, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Support Capture of a city of 300,000 people just 40 miles away from Baghdad is significant, isn't it? I also love the irony of Fox reporting it! Quite a success for neo-cons. --Երևանցի 17:08, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Support In itself, the capture of a city of 300,000 would always be notable. The symbolic value of Fallujah wrt the Iraq war just makes it all the more notable. Thue (talk) 17:55, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Support. A significant development being widely reported. 331dot (talk) 18:02, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Alt-Blurb the shorter name of "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" is Al Qaeda in Iraq. This is the relevant fact being universally reported. We shouldn't obscure facts in the name of accuracy. μηδείς (talk) 19:16, 5 January 2014 (UTC) I'm not sure this is actually correct. Al Qaeda in Iraq is one of a number of groups that merged to form ISIL. So it's not really accurate. A bit like calling Time Warner "Warner Brothers". Formerip (talk) 19:22, 5 January 2014 (UTC) It is our article that says this is AQiI. In any case, my blurb says AQ-affiliated, and that is being universally reported. μηδείς (talk) 19:40, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Support. Should we also think about merging our articles on Iraq, Syria and Israel, or would that be premature? Formerip (talk) 20:24, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Support, significant for regional stability and of international interest. --W. D. Graham 20:47, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Support - Important story of international interest. As Thue points out, Fallujah has major symbollic value. Linked article reasonably well developed. Jusdafax 23:13, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Obvious support Wow, that's a surprise. Neljack (talk) 00:01, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Posted Stephen 01:17, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Bangladeshi general election Article: Bangladeshi general election, 2014 (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ Amid boycott and violence, Bangladesh Awami League wins the general election. (Post) Alternative blurb: ​ Amid violence and a boycott by opposition parties, the Bangladesh Awami League wins the general election. News source(s): Reuters Business Line Credits: Nominated by Gfosankar (talk · give credit) Updated by Ctg4Rahat (talk · give credit), Gfosankar (talk · give credit) and Lihaas (talk · give credit) Article updated The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.Nominator's comments: Election boycotted by opposition parties, election day violence killed 19 people. Ruling party wins 127 seats as unopposed. Waiting for official results. --Gfosankar (talk) 15:08, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Support once it is official per ITNR. -W. D. Graham 20:47, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Support; offering ALT blurb to clarify what the boycott was. Spencer 04:18, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Comment Elections were boycotted not only by Bangladesh Nationalist Party but also 20 other parties. Official result is Awami league won more than 2/3 majority. --Gfosankar (talk) 12:01, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Support once it is official Sven Manguard Wha? 06:08, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Posted. For transparency: Yes, I know I supported this item, but it is ITN/R and the article meets update criteria. Spencer 09:23, 9 January 2014 (UTC) Death of Eusebio Article: Eusébio (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ Portuguese football legend Eusébio has died at the age of 71. (Post) News source(s): Daily Mail Credits: Nominated by Eugen Simion 14 (talk · give credit)  EugεnS¡m¡on(14) ® 09:58, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Support for RD only. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:05, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Support RD, oppose blurb Among the all-time greats of the game, but the threshold for obituary blurbs is very high. I would say that very few sportspeople would warrant a blurb (Pelé is probably one). Neljack (talk) 10:16, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Support for RD Agree entirely with Neljack. CaptRik (talk) 10:34, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Support RD only. My personal criteria for a death blurb is that either (1) the death itself needs to be in the news (i.e. more than just "$person has died, let's look back at their life") (2) the person needs to have been a massively significant person in the history of at least one major country - if they hadn't done what they did the country/world would be a significantly different place (in a British context Margaret Thatcher got a blurb but I probably wouldn't support one for John Major); or (3) the person's death has a significant impact on the news or day to day life of at least one country (e.g. disrupted TV schedules on several major channels, state funeral, multiple days of national mourning, etc). Eusabio doesn't meet those criteria, but he certainly merits a slot on RD. Thryduulf (talk) 10:35, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Support for RD LegalEagle (talk) 11:04, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Support for RD per Thryduulf. 331dot (talk) 13:05, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Support for RD along with the England cricket team. Lugnuts 13:25, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Support for RD clearly notable in his field (And no Lugnuts, the England Cricket Team died at the start of the series)... --Somchai Sun (talk) 15:26, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Tagging as ready for posting to RD; universal consensus for doing so, article significantly updated with death info and reaction to it. 331dot (talk) 15:42, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Support for RD. Remarkable person worthy of being showcased on our front page, but the circumstances of the death itself were not unusual. —WFC— FL wishlist 18:19, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Support for RD I don't like soccer at all. But there are names which I have definitely heard of during my 54-year long existence (or at least the conscious part thereof). One of them is Eusébio. In my country, Bulgaria, he is said to be one of the legends of soccer. The same is heard in many European countries. Xakepxakep (talk) 18:52, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Support for RD. One of the best footballers of his generations and among the best of all-time. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 19:41, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Support for RD Notable in his field, and worldwide coverage. Miyagawa (talk) 19:52, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Posted, pretty confident that I can assess consensus here. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:08, 5 January 2014 (UTC) 2014 World Junior Ice Hockey Championship Final No consensus to post. Spencer 04:19, 6 January 2014 (UTC) The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Articles: 2014 World Junior Ice Hockey Championship Final (talk · history · tag) and 2014 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ In ice hockey, the 2014 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships concludes with Finland defeating host team Sweden in the final 2–3. (Post) Credits: Nominated by Heymid (talk · give credit) Both articles need updatingNominator's comments: A high-profile ice hockey tournament. --Heymid (contribs) 00:06, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Oppose, previous consensus has been against posting any youth competitions. Abductive (reasoning) 01:37, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Oppose - per Abductive. Jusdafax 02:24, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Oppose. minor compared to Olympics coming up in a month or so. —Ed Cormany (talk) 04:33, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Oppose. ITN is not a sports ticker, and so we are selective about which sports news we post, restricting it (almost) exclusively to the very top level of sports with significant following. Youth competitions are not the highest level of the sport. Thryduulf (talk) 10:39, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Oppose - As a junior competition it lacks significance. --W. D. Graham 20:47, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Oppose As far as I know, there is no precedence for posting junior level games, and the Sochi Olympics are anyway coming up soon. --hydrox (talk) 21:03, 5 January 2014 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. January 4 Portal:Current events/2014 January 4 January 4, 2014 (2014-01-04) (Saturday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Anbar conflict: The Iraqi government loses control of Fallujah to Islamist militants. (Al Jazeera) Majid al-Majid, the chief of the Abdullah Azzam Brigades militant group that was accused of being responsible for a double suicide bombing in front of the Iranian embassy in Beirut, Lebanon, in November 2013, dies in custody in a military hospital in Beirut. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents A three-story building under construction collapses in the southern Indian state of Goa, killing at least 14 people. (Reuters via Voice of America) RD: Phil Everly Article: The Everly Brothers (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): BBC NBC News CNN LA Times Daily Mail Sydney Morning Herald Euronews Le Monde Credits: Nominated by The Rambling Man (talk · give credit) Updated by Medeis (talk · give credit) Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Half of highly notable duet. Article could use some work. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:17, 4 January 2014 (UTC) Support. Receiving wide coverage, half of a duo with 35 top 100 hits. 331dot (talk) 09:30, 4 January 2014 (UTC) Support. Leading pop figure. Bye Bye, Phil. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:45, 4 January 2014 (UTC) Support. Quoting the BBC, one of the biggest acts of the 1950s and early 60s. CaptRik (talk) 10:52, 4 January 2014 (UTC) Support. Straight RD, I'd have thought. Miyagawa (talk) 12:34, 4 January 2014 (UTC) Support Grammy Lifetime Achievement, one of the first ten in the Rock & Roll HOF, so on and so forth. Clearly a leader in the field. Teemu08 (talk) 16:15, 4 January 2014 (UTC) Support Clear RD worthy candidate per above. --Somchai Sun (talk) 17:34, 4 January 2014 (UTC) Marked Ready updated with NYT quotre of Paul Simon, universal support for posting. μηδείς (talk) 18:15, 4 January 2014 (UTC) Posting. --Tone 18:28, 4 January 2014 (UTC) Post-posting support to post (and keep posted) I've seen headlines that say things along the lines of "Rock n roll today would not be the same without his contributions" – Muboshgu (talk) 18:56, 4 January 2014 (UTC) References Nominators often include links to external websites and other references in discussions on this page. It is usually best to provide such links using the inline URL syntax rather than using <ref></ref> tags, because that keeps all the relevant information in the same place as the nomination without having to jump to this section, and facilitates the archiving process. For the times when <ref></ref> tags are being used, here are their contents: