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Geographic location diagram

Two questions: what possible use is this diagram and in what way is the number of Turkish flags it shows compatible with our NPOV policy? Britmax (talk) 00:16, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

I agree it is useless. Thanks for pointing this out. Δρ.Κ.  02:30, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

This diagram is used for the whole countries articles.Recognized or unrecognized.Your opinion is completely built on prejudice and nationalism.N umber of Turkish flags? This is a situation in Northern Cyprus with its neighbors.Turkey is located in the north.I do not see any strange situation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maurice07 (talk • contribs) 14:07, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't care about nationalism. This diagram is of limited use as it says "Syria is vaguely that way, other countries are vaguely in that direction if you go far enough, and North is at the top". As to the number of flags, if Turkey is to the north why does the diagram need more than one flag at the top? These diagrams tell us nothing that is not on the map already included. In this particular case if it were Greece to the north I would make exactly the same points. Britmax (talk) 15:02, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

I agree. The location template is completely vague and useless and the arguments advanced by Maurice07 are the usual personal attacks based on the nationality of other editors. Δρ.Κ.  18:15, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

The template is meant for "articles about communities". For countries (aside from maybe city-states) it's fairly useless. Just because it's spread to many country pages doesn't mean it should be used. CMD (talk) 05:54, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

 Done Thank you CMD. Δρ.Κ.  06:04, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Kulaksiz 5 Case Damages TRNC Reputation

Thousands of homebuyers are caught up in a property mess in North Cyprus.

The residents of one particular site of 13 Villas(Kulaksiz 5 Site) are fighting to keep the homes that they paid for.

Two of the residents, Hedley and Philomena Watkin-Jones, are 82 and 89 years old respectively.

On the 6th March 2012, Todays Zaman a turkish newspaper wrote: "The British purchasers of the nine properties say they have never had relations with the bank and that they will fight to retain or regain the houses they paid for. Whilst two families have already been evicted, the remaining seven properties remain occupied by the families Akfinans hope to evict."

The home owners are being asked to pay for their houses again.

When interviewed by John Hughes-Wilson in the documentary "Banks Behaving Badly", Lord Ken Maginnis, who owns a house in Kyrenia stated in relation to the Kulaksiz 5 claims:

"Well,....this is the tip of the iceberg, that's the unfortunate thing, about the Kulaksiz 5. There has been so much unlawful activity by the banks and the developers; in collusion one with the other, to take the ground on which the houses have been built......."

The Kulaksiz 5 Residents have attended over 100 hearings and court appearances, and have continue to fight to remain in homes they already purchased once

The elderly residents of Kulaksiz are hoping that the European Court of Human Rights, provides them justice(should they lose their domestic battle).

In an article in the Hurriyet Daily News, a Nationwide Turkish Newspaper, the Kulaksiz 5 residents again made a plea for justice:

“We have suffered a great injustice,” the residents said in another press release, stating that 10 villas were bought in 2004 for 800,000 British pounds ($1.27 million) cash for the properties in the Kulasız-5 site. “We never took loans,” said the residents, adding that the constructor of the houses took out a mortgage of over 40,000 pounds ($63,907) from Akfinans Bank one year after the residents purchased the villas.

“Akfinans claims it did not know about us owning houses on the land, even though our houses were already built and paid for before they took out the mortgage,” the residents said in a written statement sent to the Hürriyet Daily News & Economic Review. ToZero (talk) 22:48, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

There is a warning on the webpage of the UK's Foreign and Commonwealth Office not to buy property neither in Northern Cyprus nor in the South, exactly like this: "There are risks involved with purchasing property on the island of Cyprus. Many British nationals, who have purchased property either in the north or south of Cyprus, face problems caused by; misleading advertising, the failure of developers to complete properties that have been purchased off plan, illegal construction or double selling." If you insist on adding anything here please try to avoid WP:UNDUE and write balanced and in the correct place per WP:NPOV. --E4024 (talk) 23:06, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request

The sources Nos 4 and 5 (as of this moment), at the first paragraph of the article, and which are primary sources, do not say at all, against what our text claims, that "Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus". I prefer another user to edit this and also remove those sources. I will do that myself if neither my request is done nor I am convinced by a possible discussion here. --E4024 (talk) 21:59, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Even if the sources don't use those explicit words, it is quite clear form reading the sources that the UN (and thus the international community) considers the "TRNC" to be territory of the Republic of Cyprus under occupation. Athenean (talk) 23:08, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree with E4024. "Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus" is definitely wrong. Here are the reasons.

1. Northern Cyprus and Cyprus are TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS of "European Billiard Federation" and "World Billiard Championship":
http://www.billiardapps.com/members.asp?db=epc&client=&header=yes&filter=yes&footer=yes&showtabs=yes&tab=people
http://epbf.com/about-epbf/members/
Northern Cyprus and Cyprus was matched in 2010 European Billiard Championship as two different countries and under different flags: http://www.kibrispostasi.com/print.php?news=36706
Are "European Billiard Federation" and "World Billiard Championship" not part of International Community?
2. Northern Cyprus' passport is recognized by many countries (Australia, United States of America (USA), United Kingdom (UK), France, Pakistan, Turkey, Germany, Azerbaijan, Syria, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzistan, etc.). NC passport is a valid legal entrance document.
3. Yeni Bogazici municipality of Northern Cyprus became a member of International Cittaslow organization in 2013. See the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" name and flag in official Cittaslow page (There is no member of Republic of Cyprus and hence "Rep. of Cyprus" flag is not waved in official Cittaslow page!):
http://www.cittaslow.org/network/country/58
4. Northern Cyprus and Rep. of Cyprus' are represented as TWO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES in "European Biologist Union": http://www.europeanbiologists.eu/index.php/members/full
http://www.europeanbiologists.eu/index.php/members/full/73-full-members/13-north-cyprus
5. Organization of Islamic Cooperation (with 57 member countries) considers the Northern Cyprus as "Turkish Cypriot State" and LEGAL "CONSTITUENT" State in its resolutions. Hence the word "OCCUPIED territory" is definitely wrong.
Is a world-wide organization with 57 countries as member not a part of International Community?
Twelfth Summit of the OIC (7 February 2013, Cairo, Egypt): "A solution to the Cyprus Problem would be based on the inherent constitutive power of the two peoples, their political equality and co-ownership of the island, OIC express its solidarity with the Turkish Cypriots and its appreciation for their constructive efforts to attain a mutually acceptable settlement and call on member states to strengthen effective solidarity with the Turkish Cypriot State."
In June 2004, Northern Cyprus became an observer member of Organisation of Islamic Countries (OIC) under the name "Turkish Cypriot State". According to OIC, the settlement to the Cyprus Dispute is based on the INHERENT CONSTITUTIVE POWER of the Greek Cypriot and TURKISH CYPRIOT peoples, their POLITICAL EQUALITY and CO-OWNERSHIP OF THE CYPRUS ISLAND.
6. United Nations negotiations are to bring the entities of Turkish Cypriots (Northern Cyprus) and Greek Cypriots (Rep. of Cyprus) under "UNITED CYPRUS REPUBLIC". Even in 2004, UN Referendum Plan named it as "UNITED Cyprus Republic". That is to say, Northern Cyprus was considered to be LEGAL part of "FUTURE" UNITED Cyprus Republic, not part of "PRESENT" "Rep. of CYPRUS". Can one thing COMPLETELY LEGAL in future be completely ILLEGAL at present!
7. Northern Cyprus became a member of Economic Cooperation Organization in 2012. Can an entity became a member of a serious international organizations if illegal! Is Economic Cooperation Organization not a part of International Community?
8. TRNC (Turkish Rep. of Northern Cyprus) Bike Lovers Association became a member of "European Cylist Federation" in 2013:
http://www.ecf.com/member-organisation/kktc-bisiklet-seveler-dernegi-bike-lovers-association/
Does "European Cylist Federation (ECF)" not a part of International Community?
9. TRNC Education Sciences Organization (KEB-DER) is a member of "European Education Research Union". Is "European Education Research Union" not a part of International Community?
10. Northern Cyprus Higher Education Evalution Accreditation Organization (YÖDAK) became a member of "European Higher Education Quality Evaluation Union (ENQA)" in 2007.
http://www.enqa.eu/index.php/members-area/enqa-affiliates/
Is "European Higher Education Quality Evaluation Union (ENQA)" not a member of International Community?
11. "FootballTennis Association of North Cyprus" is a member of the "Federation International FootballTennis Association (FIFTA)":
http://www.fifta.org/portal/tema.asp?subkatID=85
The 2011 European FootballTennis Championship was hosted by North Cyprus. Can an "ILLEGAL" and "OCCUPIED" country host one of European Championships in its country?
12. Northern Cyprus is a member of International Federation of Associated Wrestling Styles (FILA):
http://www.fila-official.com/index.php?option=com_annuaire_fila&act=fiche&fed=642&filtre_continent=2&filtre_pays=&Itemid=105&limit=0&limitstart=0&lang=en
http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haberYazdir&ArticleID=75343&tip (Wrestling Federation accepts Turkish Cyprus as member)
Is FILA not a member of International Community?
13. Northern Cyprus became a member of the Islamic Solidarity Sports Federation (ISSF).
http://www.oic-oci.org/37cfm/en/documents/res/37-CFM-POL-RES-ENGLISH-FINAL.pdf
14. North Cyprus National Red Crescent became a member of nternational Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC) in 2013
http://todayszaman.com/newsDetail_getNewsById.action;jsessionid=74D3DCDA53663022F0F176CDDD20F606?newsId=333125
15. Northern Cyprus and Cyprus are separately represented as two different countries in International Hotel and Restaurant Association (IHRA)
http://ih-ra.com/?s=&post_type=listing&et-listing-type=9&et-listing-location=10

So, THERE ARE NUMEROUS INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS IN WHICH NORTHERN CYPRUS AND REP. of CYPRUS ARE BEING REPRESENTED AS TWO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES UNDER DIFFERENT FLAGS. Hence the writing "Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus" is definitely wrong.

NOW: Recognised only by Turkey, Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus
PROPOSED: Though recognised only by Turkey, Northern Cyprus has an increasing international acception.
(See above)Alexyflemming (talk) 11:51, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

I would recommend reading the terms of agreement for all these organisations. They may contain a disclaimer stating that nothing is warranted with regard to the political position of the state involved. Sporting quangos and voluntary organisations can take a pragmatic approach without it necessarily affecting the political status quo. Britmax (talk) 11:58, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

De facto or self declared

I replaced de- facto with self declared because as I wrote in the edit summary it proclaimed itself a state and was rejected by the UN. This makes it a self-declared state by definition. (Turkey which does recognize it is the invading force and not a 3rd party country) 95.141.20.196 (talk) 10:56, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Self-declared (self-proclaimed) means

"given a name or title by yourself without any official reason for it",
"according to your own testimony or admission",and

"based on one's own assertion". 

Look at the above "Edit Request". There are NUMEROUS INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS that accept "Northern Cyprus" and "Cyprus" as TWO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES under TWO DIFFERENT FLAGS". There are Internatioanal Organizations (like Organization of Islamic Cooperation, Economic Cooperation Organization, etc.) and International Institutions that accepted Northern Cyprus' institutions and Cyprus' institutions under different countries as members. Hence, SELF-declared and SELF-proclaimed claim is wrong.Alexyflemming (talk) 15:13, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Formal name change

Al-monitor says the name change we've supposedly missed for months was to “Cyprus Turkish Republic". Meanwhile, the Presidency website still uses Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. I suggest we keep TRNC unless substantial change is shown. CMD (talk) 10:35, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

The source did not state anything of a kind relating to a formal name change for the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. It claimed that its passports would be labeled as the Cyprus Turkish Republic, not the state itself. A name change is not required. TBrandley (T • C • B) 16:15, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Lead 4th paragraph

The current lead has a bit of duplication, which could be worked out in order to provide space for some other information, perhaps about demographics or culture. In particular, the fourth paragraph doesn't say much new. That the attempts to solve the Cyprus dispute have failed seems obvious due to the fact that Northern Cyprus remains a self-declared state. This sentence could be merged with the preceding paragraph on the history if it is needed. The next sentence, on one particular round of peace talks, doesn't seem that important, as there's no real reason why one particular round of talks deserves mention above any of the others (except perhaps the annan plan, but even that I would leave to the main text). The last bit on the military seems a bit too detailed, especially as we already mention the area is considered occupied territory in the first paragraph, and that Northern Cyprus receives military support in the third paragraph. Is there any objection to moving this detail out of the lead and into the main body of the article? (Where it should be anyway, irrespective of whether or not it's in the lead.) CMD (talk) 20:45, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

1. ^ Ozerim, Ipek (01/12/2012). "Get House in Order to save nation". Cyprus Today. Retrieved 02/12/2012. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= and |date= (help)
2. Shepherd, Ian (24/03/2010). "Hammer Blow for Pensioner Aged 87". Cyprus Today. Retrieved 25/03/2010. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= and |date= (help)
3. Bahcelli, Simon (22/04/2011). "Harassed Home-Buyers to Sue Cheating Bank in the North". Cyprus Mail. Retrieved 25/04/2011. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= and |date= (help)
4. ^ DVD,Produced by: Make North Cyprus Better Movement, Presenters: John Huges-Wilson, Lord Ken Maginnis, ″Banks Behaving Badly″
5. Make North Cyprus Better Movement, ″IS THE TIDE TURNING ON EVICTIONS″ , Malcolm Mitcheson - Joint Secretary of MNCB Movement,Retrieved: 15-12-2012
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9. http://www.mfa.gov.tr/data/DISPOLITIKA/KIBRIS/234.pdf
10. The Annual Coordination Meeting of Ministers of Foreign Affairs of the OIC Member States UN Headquarters, New York, 28 September 2012 Final Communique

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