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Fuck (film)

Fuck is a 2005 American documentary film by director Steve Anderson about the word "fuck". It argues that "fuck" is key to discussions about freedom of speech and censorship. Fuck features the last interview of author Hunter S. Thompson before his suicide. Linguist Reinhold Albert Aman, journalism analyst David Shaw, language professor Geoffrey Nunberg and Jesse Sheidlower of the Oxford English Dictionary explain the history and evolution of the word. Anderson was exposed to conceptions surrounding "fuck" by comedian George Carlin's monologue "Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television". Bill Plympton animated sequences illustrating concepts in the film. Fuck was first shown at the AFI Film Festival on November 7, 2005, at ArcLight Hollywood. A. O. Scott called the film a battle between advocates of morality and supporters of freedom of expression. Reviewers criticized its repetitiveness. Law professor Christopher M. Fairman commented on the film's importance in his 2009 book Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties. The American Film Institute said, "Ultimately, Fuck is a movie about free speech ... Freedom of expression must extend to words that offend."

• Note: I edited the blurb down to 1,195 characters including spaces. No points if after 8 March 2014, minus one point before that. Film about freedom of speech and censorship. — Cirt (talk) 21:44, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

• Support. Educational documentary about censorship and freedom of speech. — Cirt (talk) 22:28, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
• Support A nice article on a fascinating subject. Taylor Trescott - + _{my edits} 23:14, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
• Notes left at T:MP, WP:AN, WP:FAC, and WP:VPM. Bencherlite 12:35, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
• Support Why not. Looks interesting. — ΛΧΣ 13:46, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
• Support. Very nice article and a good topic for the main page coverage. Though I do sense a great deal of irony will abound at Talk:Main page when (if) this runs due to some people's hangups about the use of the word. Resolute 14:25, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
• Support freedom of speech, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:32, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
• Fuck yeah. -- John Reaves 15:05, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose unless the WMF gives an explicit say-so. Free speech is a valuable right, but having the right to do something isn't an obligation to do it. Misplaced Pages doesn't exist in a vacuum, and for better or worse running this at TFA will trigger automated filters and get Misplaced Pages blacklisted on a lot of corporate networks, get Misplaced Pages blocked from schools worldwide, and get the site banned as a whole in large swathes of Africa and Asia. Since schools and the developing world are precisely where the WMF is keenest to push Misplaced Pages, this will have a disproportionate effect. If this were a major article that nonetheless upset some people (Rape, Sexually transmitted disease, Obscenity…) the WMF would be able to make a reasonable defence that the educational mission justified the potential problems caused, and that any resultant bans were inappropriate censorship—as when German Misplaced Pages ran Vagina as TFA—but in this case, regardless of good intentions, to most outside observers this is going to look like teenage posturing and Misplaced Pages going out of its way to cause offence, and Jimmy Wales is going to have to spend the next few months trying to persuade assorted sceptical governments that Misplaced Pages doesn't represent a threat to public decency, and to persuade the corporate donors on which Misplaced Pages ultimately depends that their money wouldn't be better off going to CARE or the International Literacy Foundation. – iridescent 2 15:08, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

• It seems certain that Frank's Cock appearing as featured article would have been far, far more offensive to those parts of Africa (not sure about Asia) that have old-fashioned views on such things, and Jimbo (who talks to African governments quite a lot I think) didn't mention getting any negative feedback at all. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:45, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

• Support Agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment expressed by John Reaves and add that it's about fucking time. --ColonelHenry (talk) 15:13, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose May be interesting and important, but do we really want this to be the first thing a parent sees when opening up the 'pedia to help their child with their homework? I know Misplaced Pages is not censored--nor do I think it should be--but I don't think we need to push highly controversial topics to the front page, which will clearly offend a great deal of the population. Definately will not improve Misplaced Pages's reputation worldwide. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 16:47, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Interesting comment referencing Think of the children, Frecklefoot, but prior TFAs have included The Human Centipede and Frank's Cock -- how is this more controversial than those? — Cirt (talk) 16:53, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm not really thinking of the children so much as "thinking about Misplaced Pages's reputation". Neither of those titles are as controversial as the title of this article. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 16:58, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Frecklefoot, so a film about "a German doctor who kidnaps three tourists and joins them surgically, mouth to anus, forming a 'human centipede'" is more permissible and satisfactory to you to see on the Main Page, than a documentary film examining the censorship and freedom of speech issues surrounding a naughty word? What message does that send to parents of children, Frecklefoot? — Cirt (talk) 17:02, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Wow. So did not need to know a movie like that existed. Damaged for life.--ColonelHenry (talk) 00:37, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Freckfoot - you missed out Gropecunt Lane, which was TFA back in 2009. Lugnuts 13:26, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

• Support. If children are unscathed by reading about The Human Centipede or, you know, the rest of the entire internet, then this will hardly be the finishing blow. If the image were of the title in a size 75 bleeding red font, then we would certainly do well to discuss issues of taste and appropriateness. But here, aside from the fact of a four letter word, there is nothing here to raise alarm bells. I would not be opposed, if a compromise is necessary, with replacing the image with, say File:Perversion-for-Profit-putnam.jpg. Gamaliel (talk) 17:10, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

• I wouldn't run the Putnam frame. For one, Perversion for Profit and Fuck are two different movies. We don't want to confuse people. Plus, why the fuck wouldn't we run a little animation by Bill Plympton? When things like these are public domain, we gotta use 'em. Taylor Trescott - + _{my edits} 17:49, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

• I agree with this comment by Taylor Trescott, above. Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 17:50, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

• Support Misplaced Pages's not fucking censored , so why the fuck not ?  KoshVorlon. We are all Kosh   17:15, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
• Support as it is a fine article about an educational film. Opposes are unconvincing. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:51, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose Am I the only one seeing a potential disaster here. Yes Misplaced Pages is WP:NOTCENSORED and its a film about free speech however Do we want to Drop the F-Bomb on the main page. It could get very nasty and lose wikipedia lots of credibility.--Jeffrd10 (talk) 20:02, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment Gropecunt Lane has previously been a front-page feature. There were a total of two pieces of media coverage that I know of: Popbitch and an approving tweet from Stephen Fry. And that was early September, at the tail end of silly season. The ComCom list collectively cringed, but there was no measurable impact on reputation and I literally haven't heard about the fact of it being featured since (externally, anyway; it was mentioned in passing during the image filter discussions). It's only a single data point, but I don't personally expect a disaster.

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