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• Just saw the film "Capote" at the 32nd telluride film festival yesterday. first cut was finished on friday of last week. it is an astonishing tour de force performance by Philip Seymour Hoffman. His portrayal will be considered a defining moment in his career. i would be willing to wager he will win the Oscar. Naic 03:54, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
• Let's hope your wager lives up Naic! Anyway, this article is vastly lacking in information. When I get the time, I aim to update things. 06:12, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

'has distinguished himself'

Firstly, the sentence did not state who he distinguished himself from (and cite a source) Secondly, this seems promotional in nature (it is subjective, and therefore must be a view that is held by someone - who?) If there are sources for this view, revert and provide a source --206.248.165.190 (talk) 05:53, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Image advertises 'Capote' more than Philip Seymour Hoffman

Can't we get a more appropriate image for Hoffman than a movie poster?

It was a bit difficult finding a suitable pic, but I think I got a pretty good one. Thebogusman 04:27, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

A big improvement for the article. Thanks. --BlueTruth 22:12, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Height

If Phil is 5' 9½", how did they get him shorter for Capote? Chris 18:02, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

3.5 years after the question was asked, but I thought I'd answer this in case anyone else is curious. The answer is Forced perspective. ThomasAndrewNimmo (talk) 07:58, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Birthplace

Phil wasn't born in Fairport, but in Rochester. Rochester is where the hospitals are, and he wasn't born at the family home (King's Lacey Way, to be exact).

Irish Heritage

Given his surname, he is clearly of German heritage too. Why isn't it mentioned?

Clearly? Last name doesn't confer heritage. For all you know, some Hoffman ancestor changed the name a few decades ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.65.173 (talk) 19:02, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Reply to Birthplace

Although all the hospitals are in Rochester, every biography on the net says he was born in Fairport.

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i'm pretty sure the ip editor's intent is to say that hoffman is an 'award-winning actor' rather than an 'award winning american', but either way, the phrase is hackneyed and cliche. --emerson7 07:33, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Drinking

I read somewhere that he doesn't consume alcohol. Is that true? I, myself, never drink, and take notice to things like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.191.204.43 (talk) 16:37, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Who knows. That's something you'd have to search out for yourself, since apparently there aren't sources available in the article. Wildhartlivie (talk) 19:27, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

It's true. In December 2008, he did a great interview on NPR's Fresh Air show . I myself don't have an alcohol problem, and I didn't really understand alcoholism, but his comments were most enlightening. Particularly at one point Terry Gross asked him if he gets jealous when he sees other people enjoying a glass of wine socially. His response was no, that a couple of glasses of wine isn't interesting to him... a couple of bottles, maybe. He'd see a couple of glasses as just 'annoying'. So, hearing him say it like that put a new perspective on alcoholism for me. Cryocone (talk) 18:18, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Chlotrudis Award

Can we remove reference to these "awards". They are the domain of a few friends in Boston and it strikes me that including reference to them on this page, and others, is an attempt at self-promotion and aggrandisement.

Titanic?

The introduction says he was in Titanic (1997) but the filmography does not list any role. I also do not think, though I am not positive, that the film credits him for anything. Is this an error? Rugz (talk) 14:21, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

 Done This has since been removed. Doniago (talk) 14:49, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Filmography

Unless I simply overlooked it, I could find no reference in the article to his role in the movie Pirate Radio, in which he co-starred with Bill Nighy.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.65.112.36 (talk) 14:11, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Death being reported by WSJ

I understand that there was a recent death hoax, but did this actually fool the Wall Street Journal?

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304626804579358943360702878?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304626804579358943360702878.html

And the New York Post? http://nypost.com/2014/02/02/philip-seymour-hoffman-found-dead-in-his-apartment/will381796 (talk) 18:46, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

NYT reporter confirms: https://twitter.com/jdavidgoodman/status/430049196633112576 72.39.222.96 (talk) 18:48, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

His age is being reported on the page as "-1". Harlanhaskins (talk) 18:55, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

His death is confirmed now- no confirmed cause, but drug overdose is being reported. 24.128.127.115 (talk) 19:00, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

The WSJ article that everyone (including all other news agencies) is citing has been taken down. Way too quick to the draw, guys. This is pathetic. Gossip on Misplaced Pages? Are you kidding me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.183.103.161 (talk) 19:29, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

The BBC are reporting his death here. Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:33, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

How many sources are needed here? The Chicago Tribune and the NY Times are quoting law enforcement sources; CNN has stopped their other programming and are doing a special report. The Misplaced Pages page protection actually seems "Iraqi Information Minister"-ish at this point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.149.24 (talk) 19:40, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Isn't it common to lock the pages of people who've recently died? 108.180.252.74 (talk) 19:46, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

So your logic is that when Misplaced Pages locks a page, that in itself is a confirmation that they are in fact truly dead? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.183.103.161 (talk) 19:55, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

If you were responding to me, then no that was not my logic. I believe you have misunderstood the intent of my comment, and I now realise that I may have misunderstood the comment I was replying to. 108.180.252.74 (talk) 20:13, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Ah, because news agencies never get anything wrong. Yeah. The Marathon Bomber falsified media reports never happened (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/boston-marathon-bombing-fact-fiction). Nope. 'Law enforcement sources' said it, through a reporter, so it is absolutely true. How could I have ever doubted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.183.103.161 (talk) 19:48, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

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He died today, Feb. 2, 2014. See http://www.nytimes.com/ This page needs to be updated to reflect that. 63.210.97.9 (talk) 19:05, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Page is updated. Gloss • talk 19:06, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

You can't seriously be citing the NY Post. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.100.25 (talk) 19:14, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

The article that the NYPost cites (WSJ) has been taken down. Stop turning Misplaced Pages into a tabloid. I hate you. I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you. You suck. Wait until it is undeniably a fact.

NY Post is still reporting his death as are many, many sources. Stop turning Misplaced Pages into the word of god. I hate you. I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you. You suck. Stop waiting until you can see the body. 99.245.11.41 (talk) 19:38, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

TIL Misplaced Pages is now everything I hate in the world because its users don't care if they get facts wrong. If you did, you would 'wait until you could see the body' (realistically, just waiting more than 15 minutes after news broke to start declaring it an absolute fact that he is dead). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.183.103.161 (talk) 19:45, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Amateurish content

The Catholic Church isn't a denomination, it's always been known as the Church since Christ founded it. (I know that no one on Misplaced Pages knows anything about religion though, so this is an understandable error.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.228.216.16 (talk) 19:17, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

That's some real Christ-like humility there, brother. 184.97.140.49 (talk) 19:50, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

The Roman Catholic Church, however, is a denomination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.148.30.53 (talk) 21:14, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Found Dead?

I'm hearing reports that he was found dead in his home today. Can we get any confirmation? --108.162.77.129 (talk) 19:55, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

You are what I want all Misplaced Pages users to be. You ask for a confirmation. Unfortunately, everyone here already resigned this as a fact, within minutes of the story breaking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.183.103.161 (talk) 19:57, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Turn on your tv and tune into CNN. Tvoz/talk 20:02, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Ah, because news agencies never get anything wrong. Yeah. The Marathon Bomber falsified media reports never happened (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/boston-marathon-bombing-fact-fiction). Nope. 'Law enforcement sources' said it, through a reporter, so it is absolutely true. How could I have ever doubted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.183.103.161 (talk) 20:03, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

The source ("a law enforcement official who requested anonymity") also appears to be good enough for the NY Times, whose article also states "At a short distance from the crowd, two men who identified themselves as friends embraced, sobbing.": http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/03/movies/philip-seymour-hoffman-actor-dies-at-46.html

(From the article I cited about the Marathon Bombing) "The New York Times reported three unexploded devices" - That was later proven to be completely fabricated. Yes anon, the New York Times also f&$%ks up. And people can cry over a rumor. That is something that happens in real life.

I suppose there's no vital urgency since this is an encyclopedia article and not a source for instant breaking news. Granted, a non-denial is not a confirmation, but the fact that Mr. Hoffman's production company gives "no comment", that there is a scene at the apartment, that an anonymous source says there is an obvious heroin death, that the NY Times and other sources have picked it up..... I'm guessing the standard is to wait until there is an official statement from the family or some form of public record? Again, I don't know how the procedure of confirming a death works in general, but I love Misplaced Pages and am curious. ~ Kris / SWNut

official statements from the family or "public record" would be WP:OR which we are not supposed to use. we are supposed to use reliable sources WP:RS such as a report from the New York Times or CNN. in other words we are not trained journalists doing research and writing a news report. JKshaw (talk) 20:53, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Because journalists never ever get anything wrong or post false statements. And of course, we don't want to learn the facts from the people in a position to actually know them (the family).

Sad news. Can someone who knows what they're doing update the article? As a long-time lurker I'm curious as to how this process works. ~ Kris / SWNut — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.168.88.166 (talk) 20:08, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

To IP75: The story that he died is being widely reported, by many reliable sources. The medical examiner(=coroner) is with the body now according to CNN's live report. What is your point other than to bash Misplaced Pages and news agencies? Do you have some kind of contradictory evidence?

If Misplaced Pages now considers itself a venue for breaking news, yes, I am here to bash. I am here to rip into you. I am here to remind that you describe yourselves as an encyclopedia. That means posting absolute, undeniable facts. That means providing well rounded, thorough information on any particular topic. That means you WAIT TO KNOW THE TRUTH. You can't cite news agencies. You just can't. There are numerous, well documented instances where they are incorrect, or flat out lie.

Don't believe me? Check it: http://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_premature_obituaries

Or this: http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/regret-the-error/197279/the-best-and-worst-media-errors-and-corrections-of-2012/

Or this: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/boston-marathon-bombing-misinformation-911-newtown

Or this: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/boston-marathon-bombing-fact-fiction

I'm not saying PSH is NOT dead, my problem is that you locked in his date of death in under an hour after the news broke. That's tabloid. That's TMZ. That's inexcusably pathetic.

I don't want Misplaced Pages to be lumped in with this: "CNET - Worse Information, Faster" http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-57580464-256/social-media-as-breaking-news-feed-worse-information-faster/

To Kris: People who know what they are doing are here, updating, as we get reliable confirmation of events like this. Unfortunately, people who don't know what they are doing flock to pages like this and put nonsense in, which is why the article is now semi-protected so that only confirmed users can post for a few days. We do our best, and we do actually care about accuracy - at least some of us do. Tvoz/talk 20:21, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello, re: the NYT article cited for his death, is there a chance that an additional source can be cited? NYT says that a syringe was found in his arm (as does the Wiki article), but a syringe is only the pump mechanism, and I'm quite sure that it was not found "in" his arm. Other sources state that a needle was found in his arm, which is a more logical scenario. (http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-news/breaking--philip-seymour-hoffman-found-dead-at-46-184225678.html, per the NYPD.) Yup I know that Yahoo Movies isn't the best source, but... Thanks! Rustypup49 (talk) 21:24, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Time of Death?

The entry claims he died today, February 2nd, but do we know that? The news media articles I have read only claim that his body was discovered today. Is there a source for his time of death? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malachi292 (talk • contribs) 20:16, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

You're right, "found dead on" is not the same as "died on". He may have died before 2 February. Danrok (talk) 20:20, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Date/time of death

No news source is reporting the date or time of his death, yet this article says he died today, Feb 2nd.

We are waiting for more information from reporters, who are waiting for more information from their sources and the medical examiner.

JKshaw (talk) 20:18, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

CNN says he was last seen last night at 8pm.

JKshaw (talk) 20:26, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

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He is dead. 98.200.236.54 (talk) 20:20, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Read the article please. Tvoz/talk 20:24, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

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He died Feb 2, 2014. http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/02/showbiz/philip-seymour-hoffman-obit/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 98.234.101.51 (talk) 20:21, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Read the article please. Tvoz/talk 20:23, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

The man is dead, for God's sake. Misplaced Pages has become the Information Bureau, for sure! http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/03/movies/philip-seymour-hoffman-actor-dies-at-46.html?hp --74.91.100.75 (talk) 20:27, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

No one doubts his death, 98. But the circumstances of his death are highly controversial and we don't want a bunch of drive-by editors unfamilar with our policies throwing in tabloid accusations that may cause harm to his relatives, friends or associates who might be implicated somehow.Cullen Let's discuss it 20:31, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

which is David Katz?

there's an editor who is not happy w/ the WSJ source for the person who found Hoffman, David Katz

eventually I am sure we will be able to agree on this, but a previous edit had a wiki link to what I believe is the wrong David Katz here who is an author

I think the correct article is probably this one as the article states he is a screenwriter and has even worked with Hoffman in the past.

JKshaw (talk) 20:41, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

It is likely that you are correct. Here's a source referring to Katz as a screenwriter. We want to be sure not to link to an uninvolved Katz. Cullen Let's discuss it 20:47, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

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HE FUCKING DIED 71.57.66.134 (talk) 20:52, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

The article already reports his death. What is your problem? Cullen Let's discuss it 21:01, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

I think he believes it should be protected because he has died, when in actuality it should be protected if there are vandals, which there isn't, yet. JKshaw (talk) 21:10, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Keeping encyclopedic tone

Could we all please agree to keep an encyclopedic tone not just in the entire article but especially regarding his death? When celebrities die under scandalous circumstances, it's tempting to "scoop" others, but this is still an encyclopedia. How about taking a little more care? -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 20:59, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

THANK YOU — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.183.103.161 (talk) 21:05, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Winklevi is engaging in edit-warring to scrub the article of any mention of "heroin" "syringe" "arm" "envelopes" I even tried to use the word "paraphernalia" to be as vague as possible and this was unacceptable to him.

The New York Times is reporting a law enforcement source who says it was an apparent drug overdose due to the drug paraphernalia at the scene. Simply saying it is a mysterious drug overdose is leaving out relevant facts. Winkelvi has reverted these edits numerous times and continues to do so. JKshaw (talk) 21:10, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm not trying to "scrub" anything. Nothing is known for certain until the coroner's report. This is still an encyclopedia and there is no "deadline" here. Please remember that. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 21:24, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

I agree that attempting to sanitize the news is inappropriate. It's one thing to argue that until the ME report is available, that early reports that his death was the result of an overdose are speculation, even if they do come from the investigators. But the NYTimes definitely states that a syringe was found in his arm. That's simply a fact and scrubbing this from the article until the ME has filed a report is simply ridiculous. This is merely what the investigators saw when arrived. By the time the ME gets the body, who knows if the syringe will still be there for him to confirm that it actually was in his arm. It seems quite possible that by that time, the syringe will have been removed and sent off for testing to determine conclusively what was in there. Winkelvi, I came here because you asked in your edit summary reverting me. What explanation can you offer? Are you arguing the investigators were merely speculating what that object was, that perhaps they cannot be relied on to recognize a syringe or an arm when they see one? Msnicki (talk) 21:28, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

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