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	Ethnic Poles, like all Europeans were Aryan. Poles were put into the "Aryan side" of ghettos and the Ahnenpaß used Poles as an example of an Aryan.--] (]) 20:23, 7 February 2014 (UTC)		Ethnic Poles, like all Europeans were Aryan. Poles were put into the "Aryan side" of ghettos and the Ahnenpaß used Poles as an example of an Aryan.--] (]) 20:23, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

	: You are extremely wrong at ~~this~~ ~~point~~! The "ladder of races" according the Nazi Germany looked like this, from the bottom to the top: Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Serbs, Blacks, Mulattos, Rusyns and other Slavic peoples (excluding some Ukrainians and some of the Croats who were collaborating with the Germans ~~and~~ were deemed to have some Germanic Goth blood in them). The Germanic nations were near the top, and ethnic Germans were the top "master race". It's you, who is trying to change the historical facts and manipulate them. The fact was that POLES, as well as other European Slavic peoples WERE CALLED "SUBHUMAN" and POLISH PEOPLE WERE CONSIDERED "DIRTY MASSES FROM THE EAST" as Germans called them. What's more, Germans claimed that Poles are "half-Arian mutts" that's why they were put on the "Arian side" of the ghetto! Poles had always been way darker than Germans, but the young Polish children who happened to be blonde were "a good subject for Germanization" according to the ], but most of Poles were not to be exterminated, but enslaved. Read about it, and then talk about it.		:::: You are extremely wrong by saying that Poles were pure Aryan! The "ladder/pyramid of races" according the Nazi Germany looked like this, from the bottom to the top: Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Serbs, Blacks, Mulattos, Rusyns and other Slavic peoples (excluding for example some Ukrainians who formed UPA, and some of the Croats who formed Ustasi and were collaborating with the Germans on the same basis as Italians. Sove Slavs were deemed to have some Germanic Goth blood in them). Sounth-Europeans were in the middle of the pyramid (excluding Italians who were facist collaborants). The Japanese people for example, despite being Asian, were seen as the "honorary Aryans", mostly for political reasons. Apart from that, racially, the Germanic nations were near the top of the "racial pyramid", and ethnic Germans were the top "master race". It's you, who is trying to change the historical facts and manipulate them. The fact was that POLES, as well as other European Slavic peoples WERE CALLED "SUBHUMAN" and POLISH PEOPLE WERE CONSIDERED "DIRTY MASSES FROM THE EAST" as Germans called them. What's more, Germans claimed that Poles are "half-Arian mutts" that's why they were put on the "Arian side" of the ghetto! Poles had always been way darker than Germans, but the young Polish children who happened to be blonde were "a good subject for Germanization" according to the ], but most of Poles were not to be exterminated completely, but rather enslaved. The very same situation as in case of Black Africans in the Nazi Germany. Read about it, and then talk about it. ] (]) 13:16, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

	Firstly, you didn't need to create a new section on my talk page but could have just replied via your own talk page here on the section I created. You have it all wrong, all Europeans were regarded by the law as "racially equal". I think you are confusing "Aryan" with "master race", the Aryan race was all Europeans, the master race (Herrenvolk) was the Germanic peoples.		Firstly, you didn't need to create a new section on my talk page but could have just replied via your own talk page here on the section I created. You have it all wrong, all Europeans were regarded by the law as "racially equal". I think you are confusing "Aryan" with "master race", the Aryan race was all Europeans, the master race (Herrenvolk) was the Germanic peoples.
		⚫	Poles were actually given as examples of 'Aryans' in the Ahnenpaß/Ahnenpass ("ancestors passport") when the Nuremberg Laws became enforced.{{quotation\|Aryan is thus the one man who looked free from, the German people, strange racial impact is blood. Deemed to be a stranger here, especially the blood of the living room and in the European settlement of Jews and Gypsies, the Asian and African breeds, and the aborigines of Australia and America (Indians), while, for example, a Swede or an Englishman, a Frenchman or Czech, a Pole or Italian, if he is free of such, even that is foreign blood strikes, when used, must therefore be considered severally liable, he may now live in his home, in East Asia or in America or he likes a U.S. citizen or a South American Free State be."

	Poles were actually given as examples of 'Aryans' in the Ahnenpaß/Ahnenpass ("ancestors passport") when the Nuremberg Laws became enforced, see:
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⚫	{{quotation\|Aryan is thus the one man who looked free from, the German people, strange racial impact is blood. Deemed to be a stranger here, especially the blood of the living room and in the European settlement of Jews and Gypsies, the Asian and African breeds, and the aborigines of Australia and America (Indians), while, for example, a Swede or an Englishman, a Frenchman or Czech, a Pole or Italian, if he is free of such, even that is foreign blood strikes, when used, must therefore be considered severally liable, he may now live in his home, in East Asia or in America or he likes a U.S. citizen or a South American Free State be."

	German: "Arischer Abstammung ist demnach derjenige Mensch, der frei von einem, vom deutschen Volk ausgesehen, fremdrassischen Bluteinschlag ist. Als fremd gilt hier vor allem das Blut der auch im europäischen Siedlungsraum lebenden Juden und Zigeuner, das der asiatischen und afrikanischen Rassen und der Ureinwohner Australiens und Amerikas (Indianer), während z. B. ein Engländer oder ein Schwede, ein Franzose oder Tscheche, ein Pole oder Italiener, wenn er selbst frei von solchen, auch ihm fremden Blutseinschlägen ist, als verwandt, also als arisch gelten muß, mag er nun in seiner Heimat, in Ostasien oder in Amerika wohnen oder mag er Bürger der USA oder eines südamerikanischen Freistaates sein.\|Vokabular des Nationalsozialismus}}		German: "Arischer Abstammung ist demnach derjenige Mensch, der frei von einem, vom deutschen Volk ausgesehen, fremdrassischen Bluteinschlag ist. Als fremd gilt hier vor allem das Blut der auch im europäischen Siedlungsraum lebenden Juden und Zigeuner, das der asiatischen und afrikanischen Rassen und der Ureinwohner Australiens und Amerikas (Indianer), während z. B. ein Engländer oder ein Schwede, ein Franzose oder Tscheche, ein Pole oder Italiener, wenn er selbst frei von solchen, auch ihm fremden Blutseinschlägen ist, als verwandt, also als arisch gelten muß, mag er nun in seiner Heimat, in Ostasien oder in Amerika wohnen oder mag er Bürger der USA oder eines südamerikanischen Freistaates sein.\|Vokabular des Nationalsozialismus}}

	The reason Poles were placed into the 'Aryan side' in the ghettos because they were "Aryan". In fact, Poles were separated from Jews for this exact reason, any Poles found giving help to Jews or having any sort of relations with them were given the death penalty.		The reason Poles were placed into the 'Aryan side' in the ghettos because they were "Aryan". In fact, Poles were separated from Jews for this exact reason, any Poles found giving help to Jews or having any sort of relations with them were given the death penalty.

	Can you please provide me a quote from a speech or document that called the Poles a "dirty masses from the east"?		Can you please provide me a quote from a speech or document that called the Poles a "dirty masses from the east"?

	Nothing here is manipulating history or anything, in fact that is what many of the historians and authors have done with the Nazis policy on the Slavs, although some still speak the truth. All Europeans INCLUDING Slavs were 'Aryan':		Nothing here is manipulating history or anything, in fact that is what many of the historians and authors have done with the Nazis policy on the Slavs, although some still speak the truth. All Europeans INCLUDING Slavs were 'Aryan':

	{{quotation\|Albert Gorter, a prominent minister official gave the definition of Aryan as: The Aryans (also Indo-Germans, Japhetiten) are one of the three branches of the Caucasian (white race);they are divided into the western (European), that is the German, Roman, Greek, Slav, Lett, Celt Albanesen, and the eastern (Asiatic) Aryans, that is the Indian (Hindu) and Iranian (Persian, Afghan, Armenian, Georgian, Kurd). Non-Aryans are therefore: 1. the members of two other races, namely the Mongolian (yellow) and the Negroid (black) races; 2. the members of the two other branches of the Caucasian race, namely the Semites (Jews, Arabs) and Hamites (Berbers). The Finns and the Hungarians belong to the Mongoloid race; but it is hardly the intention of the law to treat them as non-Aryans. Thus . . . the non-Jewish members of the European Volk are Aryans. . . .\|The Nazi Ancestral Proof: Genealogy, Racial Science, and the Final Solution.}}		{{quotation\|Albert Gorter, a prominent minister official gave the definition of Aryan as: The Aryans (also Indo-Germans, Japhetiten) are one of the three branches of the Caucasian (white race);they are divided into the western (European), that is the German, Roman, Greek, Slav, Lett, Celt Albanesen, and the eastern (Asiatic) Aryans, that is the Indian (Hindu) and Iranian (Persian, Afghan, Armenian, Georgian, Kurd). Non-Aryans are therefore: 1. the members of two other races, namely the Mongolian (yellow) and the Negroid (black) races; 2. the members of the two other branches of the Caucasian race, namely the Semites (Jews, Arabs) and Hamites (Berbers). The Finns and the Hungarians belong to the Mongoloid race; but it is hardly the intention of the law to treat them as non-Aryans. Thus . . . the non-Jewish members of the European Volk are Aryans. . . .\|The Nazi Ancestral Proof: Genealogy, Racial Science, and the Final Solution.}}

	The Poles that were sent to be Germanized were not classified as ethnic Poles but ethnic Germans living in the eastern land, that is why they were kidnapped and forcefully Germanized, this a completely different thing altogether.		The Poles that were sent to be Germanized were not classified as ethnic Poles but ethnic Germans living in the eastern land, that is why they were kidnapped and forcefully Germanized, this a completely different thing altogether.

	Now its up to you to provide evidence that they were "non-Aryan" (as well as proving a speech or document that states they were "dirty masses from the east").--] (]) 09:49, 8 February 2014 (UTC)		Now its up to you to provide evidence that they were "non-Aryan" (as well as proving a speech or document that states they were "dirty masses from the east").--] (]) 09:49, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
		⚫	Also please don't accuse me of "manipulating historical facts", this can be regarded as a ].--] (]) 09:58, 8 February 2014 (UTC)


⚫	Also please don't accuse me of "manipulating historical facts", this can be regarded as a ].--] (]) 09:58, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
			::::: Please stop littering my wall with tons of information which you don't understand. Why did you delete "ethnic Poles" as the ones who suffered as Blacks during the German regime, while you left "Gypsies/Romani" untouched? A little did you know, Gypsies were even more "Aryan" than Germans and Scandinavians! Haa! Surprised? http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/gypsies.html Hitler had a big problem with them, so he figured out a story, that Gypsies are in fact from the Aryan tribe, but are not pure enough and were expelled from India with disgrace on them, and that they deserve to die as a betraitors of Aryan blood. You totally consuse "White" with "Aryan" and you produce your own theories. Poles AT THE TIME, as almost all Svals, were regarded as half-Aryan with the West-Asian admixture from the Caucasus, Iran and Afghanistan. "The masses from the East" is what Germans called all Slavic people generally, along with the Jews, Gypsies, Armenians etc. The reason why Poles were not destined to die at first, is that they were considered to have some good portion of Aryan blood but mixed with Asian/Indo-Iranian blood. Only Germans were "Aryans" in terms of GERMAN NAZI rules. I know Poles might have a great part of Aryan genes in them, but this is what science says. And the Nazi Germans said someting different and here is my point. DONT CONFUSE the SCIENTIFIC data with NAZI DOCTRINES! By the way - Why did you start the talk about the Poles as "Aryans", while the article is about ] and ethnic Poles (which means non-Jewish Poles) were given as an example of being ], but not perished completely as ]? PS - did you know that 6 million people dies during the Shoa, while 6 milion were Jews, 2 million were ethnic Poles, over half-a-million were Romani (Gypsies), and the rest were other ethnicities? How dare you discredit the Polish suffering during the Shoa by saying that Poles were treated as Aryans? https://en.wikipedia.org/Holocaust_victims - Hope you read the whole of my message and educate yourself. Thank you. ] (]) 13:16, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

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"Whigger" and Poles

I'm sorry, I read the source you use, and it neither shows research or common usage. It's just one guy's essay, with no references to works that can verify it. It may be interesting to you, and I am sure it would be if it was more than just speculation, but its currency in the English language is low to nonexistent in common parlance, and as it stands it is not of encyclopedic interest for this article. Perhaps you can start an article on this topic and see where it leads you. Right now it's just no good in the list of ethnic slurs. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 12:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

RE: Well, I saw it on the internet many times when ppl used to call Poles that nasty way and this article somehow confirms the reality..

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Nationalism

Would you be so kind and leave your polish nationalism out of the Misplaced Pages! Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.4.72.119 (talk) 19:41, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

--Yatzhek (talk) 20:38, 19 February 2013 (UTC) Show me an example. You see, the one who is spreading nationalism accross the internet is you. People such as you can't understand that being a patriot doesn't mean being nationalist. Educate yourself, and then verify your antagonistic attitude toward Polish people. Racist.

Ethnic Poles were Aryans

Please stop adding unsourced text into articles. I reverted the recent edit on Black people in Nazi Germany because Poles were not regarded as "racially non-Aryan" nor does the source given state that. Fixed

Ethnic Poles, like all Europeans were Aryan. Poles were put into the "Aryan side" of ghettos and the Ahnenpaß used Poles as an example of an Aryan.--Windows66 (talk) 20:23, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

You are extremely wrong by saying that Poles were pure Aryan! The "ladder/pyramid of races" according the Nazi Germany looked like this, from the bottom to the top: Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Serbs, Blacks, Mulattos, Rusyns and other Slavic peoples (excluding for example some Ukrainians who formed UPA, and some of the Croats who formed Ustasi and were collaborating with the Germans on the same basis as Italians. Sove Slavs were deemed to have some Germanic Goth blood in them). Sounth-Europeans were in the middle of the pyramid (excluding Italians who were facist collaborants). The Japanese people for example, despite being Asian, were seen as the "honorary Aryans", mostly for political reasons. Apart from that, racially, the Germanic nations were near the top of the "racial pyramid", and ethnic Germans were the top "master race". It's you, who is trying to change the historical facts and manipulate them. The fact was that POLES, as well as other European Slavic peoples WERE CALLED "SUBHUMAN" and POLISH PEOPLE WERE CONSIDERED "DIRTY MASSES FROM THE EAST" as Germans called them. What's more, Germans claimed that Poles are "half-Arian mutts" that's why they were put on the "Arian side" of the ghetto! Poles had always been way darker than Germans, but the young Polish children who happened to be blonde were "a good subject for Germanization" according to the Racial policy of Nazi Germany, but most of Poles were not to be exterminated completely, but rather enslaved. The very same situation as in case of Black Africans in the Nazi Germany. Read about it, and then talk about it. Yatzhek (talk) 13:16, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Firstly, you didn't need to create a new section on my talk page but could have just replied via your own talk page here on the section I created. You have it all wrong, all Europeans were regarded by the law as "racially equal". I think you are confusing "Aryan" with "master race", the Aryan race was all Europeans, the master race (Herrenvolk) was the Germanic peoples.

Poles were actually given as examples of 'Aryans' in the Ahnenpaß/Ahnenpass ("ancestors passport") when the Nuremberg Laws became enforced.

Aryan is thus the one man who looked free from, the German people, strange racial impact is blood. Deemed to be a stranger here, especially the blood of the living room and in the European settlement of Jews and Gypsies, the Asian and African breeds, and the aborigines of Australia and America (Indians), while, for example, a Swede or an Englishman, a Frenchman or Czech, a Pole or Italian, if he is free of such, even that is foreign blood strikes, when used, must therefore be considered severally liable, he may now live in his home, in East Asia or in America or he likes a U.S. citizen or a South American Free State be." German: "Arischer Abstammung ist demnach derjenige Mensch, der frei von einem, vom deutschen Volk ausgesehen, fremdrassischen Bluteinschlag ist. Als fremd gilt hier vor allem das Blut der auch im europäischen Siedlungsraum lebenden Juden und Zigeuner, das der asiatischen und afrikanischen Rassen und der Ureinwohner Australiens und Amerikas (Indianer), während z. B. ein Engländer oder ein Schwede, ein Franzose oder Tscheche, ein Pole oder Italiener, wenn er selbst frei von solchen, auch ihm fremden Blutseinschlägen ist, als verwandt, also als arisch gelten muß, mag er nun in seiner Heimat, in Ostasien oder in Amerika wohnen oder mag er Bürger der USA oder eines südamerikanischen Freistaates sein.
— Vokabular des Nationalsozialismus

The reason Poles were placed into the 'Aryan side' in the ghettos because they were "Aryan". In fact, Poles were separated from Jews for this exact reason, any Poles found giving help to Jews or having any sort of relations with them were given the death penalty. Can you please provide me a quote from a speech or document that called the Poles a "dirty masses from the east"? Nothing here is manipulating history or anything, in fact that is what many of the historians and authors have done with the Nazis policy on the Slavs, although some still speak the truth. All Europeans INCLUDING Slavs were 'Aryan':

Albert Gorter, a prominent minister official gave the definition of Aryan as: The Aryans (also Indo-Germans, Japhetiten) are one of the three branches of the Caucasian (white race);they are divided into the western (European), that is the German, Roman, Greek, Slav, Lett, Celt Albanesen, and the eastern (Asiatic) Aryans, that is the Indian (Hindu) and Iranian (Persian, Afghan, Armenian, Georgian, Kurd). Non-Aryans are therefore: 1. the members of two other races, namely the Mongolian (yellow) and the Negroid (black) races; 2. the members of the two other branches of the Caucasian race, namely the Semites (Jews, Arabs) and Hamites (Berbers). The Finns and the Hungarians belong to the Mongoloid race; but it is hardly the intention of the law to treat them as non-Aryans. Thus . . . the non-Jewish members of the European Volk are Aryans. . . .
— The Nazi Ancestral Proof: Genealogy, Racial Science, and the Final Solution.

The Poles that were sent to be Germanized were not classified as ethnic Poles but ethnic Germans living in the eastern land, that is why they were kidnapped and forcefully Germanized, this a completely different thing altogether. Now its up to you to provide evidence that they were "non-Aryan" (as well as proving a speech or document that states they were "dirty masses from the east").--Windows66 (talk) 09:49, 8 February 2014 (UTC) Also please don't accuse me of "manipulating historical facts", this can be regarded as a WP:PA.--Windows66 (talk) 09:58, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Please stop littering my wall with tons of information which you don't understand. Why did you delete "ethnic Poles" as the ones who suffered as Blacks during the German regime, while you left "Gypsies/Romani" untouched? A little did you know, Gypsies were even more "Aryan" than Germans and Scandinavians! Haa! Surprised? http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/gypsies.html Hitler had a big problem with them, so he figured out a story, that Gypsies are in fact from the Aryan tribe, but are not pure enough and were expelled from India with disgrace on them, and that they deserve to die as a betraitors of Aryan blood. You totally consuse "White" with "Aryan" and you produce your own theories. Poles AT THE TIME, as almost all Svals, were regarded as half-Aryan with the West-Asian admixture from the Caucasus, Iran and Afghanistan. "The masses from the East" is what Germans called all Slavic people generally, along with the Jews, Gypsies, Armenians etc. The reason why Poles were not destined to die at first, is that they were considered to have some good portion of Aryan blood but mixed with Asian/Indo-Iranian blood. Only Germans were "Aryans" in terms of GERMAN NAZI rules. I know Poles might have a great part of Aryan genes in them, but this is what science says. And the Nazi Germans said someting different and here is my point. DONT CONFUSE the SCIENTIFIC data with NAZI DOCTRINES! By the way - Why did you start the talk about the Poles as "Aryans", while the article is about Black people in Nazi Germany and ethnic Poles (which means non-Jewish Poles) were given as an example of being persecuted, but not perished completely as Jews? PS - did you know that 6 million people dies during the Shoa, while 6 milion were Jews, 2 million were ethnic Poles, over half-a-million were Romani (Gypsies), and the rest were other ethnicities? How dare you discredit the Polish suffering during the Shoa by saying that Poles were treated as Aryans? https://en.wikipedia.org/Holocaust_victims - Hope you read the whole of my message and educate yourself. Thank you. Yatzhek (talk) 13:16, 8 February 2014 (UTC)