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Textspeak

Hi, I am a bit new but was trying to be helpful regarding Textspeak.

A redirect to SMS Messaging seems misleading and prevented interaction with other contributions to "textspeak"

"TextSpeak" applies to a variety of Interests

Is can be SMS, it can also refer to TextSpeak the technology, and it can also be used as a type of slang

"The process of shortening words and adding numbers" and may have nothing to do with SMS at all.

So i removed the redirect, but left it intact for others to continue to add to the page in coming months etc.

best regards :) OemEngr — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oemengr (talk • contribs) 09:17, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

I would suggest making an article (using the Article Creation Wizard) about the technology before creating the disambiguation page. APerson (talk!) 13:41, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi. I am sure if I am signing correctly.. but let me try

talk

I did not think the technology of "TextSpeak" is the exact reason to remove the redirect. I simply question that "TextSpeak" Wiki should even use redirect, and certainly question why it was decided in 2007 it should go to "SMS". My point is it does not always mean SMS Messaging. In fact, Oxforddefines TextSpeak while excluding all references to SMS altogether. I feel my post should be left and expanded on, and not automatically steer wiki "textspeak" to SMS messaging with a redirect.

I would appreciate your thoughts on this.. or if I've made my point, please reinstate my edits and along with the Oxford Link. I would be happy to update the TextSpeak page with more detail as well, but I think a redirect does not serve the readers of Wiki.

:) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oemengr (talk • contribs) 22:29, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

About signing: whenever you are on a talk page, you can sign your posts by putting four tildes (~~~~) after whatever you've just written.

About everything else: An important point here is that the redirect from Text speak goes to SMS language, not SMS, since "text speak" is merely another way to refer to the term "SMS language". I think that the redirect should be replaced by a disambiguation page if and only if there is something to disambiguate to. If there's an article about something else with the same name, by all means let there be a link to it. However, seeing as how there isn't an article about it, I think we should wait until the article is written before giving different things with the same name. APerson (talk!) 03:36, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks on the tip on signing. For 2 or more items to disambiguate this page I can suggest 2 items now. Both "Internet_Slang" and "SMS_Language" would be more informative and a good start, rather than a hard redirect. Perhaps a link even to this might be helpful (it was for me anyway). Thoughts? .. BR Oemengr (talk) 15:28, 30 January 2014 (UTC)talk

Two notes about talk pages: You don't have to add the link to your talkpage, since it's already included in your signature. Also, I would suggest reading WP:INDENT for more information about talk page indentation.

About the disambiguation: It seems that you are proposing that Text speak be replaced with a disambiguation page with links to Internet slang and SMS language. One issue I have with this is that the two terms do not mean the same thing: one means the language used on the Internet, and the other means the language used on the SMS system. The original purpose of redirects is to avoid duplicate entries by redirecting all queries for terms that mean the same thing to the same location, so it would not be good if a redirect were replaced with a link to a page that doesn't mean the same thing. Also, the link you provided (the Wiktionary appendix) is already linked from the top of Internet slang. Again, I would recommend first creating the technology article, then creating the disambiguation page. APerson (talk!) 18:13, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Your note

Thank you, I am unfamiliar with your style, but it seems to follow (at times) APA (I teach that), but in the case of McCarter, the initial should be a capital P (not lower case) and then Kyle should not follow (it is his middle name). On my copy, Fortress Press states Philadelphia, not Minneapolis. It is also Philadelphia on worldcat.org. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. Arthur Frederick Ide (talk • contribs) 13:31, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

With that explanation, the revert makes much less sense. I reverted my revert.

On a side note: You do not need to end your edit summaries with ~~~~, since you are already credited in the page's history. APerson (talk!) 13:38, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Sanya

My edit () should not be classified as vandalism under any measure; and neither was it a test, as I knew what I was doing. 166.137.88.159 (talk) 04:43, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough; I saw "rain colour = green" and thought it was vandalism. I see that an HTML comment was added preventing mistakes and will try to be more careful with people who are trying to change the color of rain in the future. APerson (talk!) 20:04, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Purple ribbon.

The list of things that are claimed to be associated with the purple ribbon is outrageously off. Just to name a few, Child Abuse is a blue ribbon, Drug abuse is red, Homelessness is green, Loss is blue and pink, 9/11 is red white and blue, anti gay bullying is a rainbow. The list goes on of what ribbons stand for the things listed under the purple ribbon, one of the few correct things is Crohn's disease. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.24.70.98 (talk) 05:01, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

However, you removed quite a few things on the list that did have citations. WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM, a policy, includes a long list of things that should be considered instead of deleting text. Therefore, try to either tag the ones that are inaccurate or list the ones you removed on the article's talkpage. Feel free to go and add those things to the other "awareness ribbon color" articles, but make sure to cite a reliable source for them. Thank you for your contributions! APerson (talk!) 19:58, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

KLOQ Band Page

Hi, I have taken note of what you said last time we spoke. Was just wondering if you could take a look once again and tell me if everything is all in order. I have included citations on pretty much everything that needs be. Band member, labels, history, notable content etc. Was also wondering what the next step would be and how long roughly it would take to go live. Thanks for your help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Woody286786 (talk • contribs) 01:15, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Also, I have just accidentally deleted my Submission part out and had to resubmit it... I actually resubmitted it 17 days ago when we last spoke and was 611th in the queue.... I am now last again. Is there anyway I could get put forward? Just when I think I'm getting the hang of this. Woody286786

 Created Article seems good now. APerson (talk!) 22:01, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Awesome... Thanks for all your help and all the tips and advice you gave me on this. this. User:Woody286786 (User talk:Woody286786) 03:29, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Not seeing your messages

Hi APerson!

I've gotten several notifications that you have left me messages on my talk page, but every time I look I don't see anything. I apologize if you gave me notes for correction and it seemed I ignored them. Not sure if it's just me, or if there is an issue with my page? Maybe if you respond here I'll be able to see them?

Thanks!

Seabascol55 (talk) 14:31, 11 February 2014 (UTC)Seabascol55

I think that the system is giving you a notification every time I edit your talk page, not just when I leave a message on it. The most recent edit (a grammar fix to my comment) was on 10 February, and I haven't left a message on your talkpage since the first discussion about your submission. APerson (talk!) 14:43, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I was hoping you could weigh in on the article again. I'm getting a little frustrated with it. It was rejected because one of the editors thinks that all of my sources are paid promotions, which none of them are. I'm not quite sure what recourse I have other than to tell them they are wrong? Can you please advise me on this?

Seabascol55 (talk) 15:01, 11 February 2014 (UTC)Seabascol55

I'll go and take a look at the discussion. I agreed previously with you that some of the sources are very reliable and others are less so. By the way, two notes on talk pages: You only have to type ~~~~, not ~~~~Seabascol55. Also, you may want to take a look at WP:THREAD, which gives indentation guidelines for talk pages. Thanks! APerson (talk!) 16:54, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Once again, thank you for being so helpful.Seabascol55 (talk) 14:46, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that portal edit

I checked Alternative medicine#External links to see how the unicode character works. It doesn't, could you please go back and change the character to File:Asclepius staff.svg? Thanks! --evrik  03:45, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

 Already done APerson (talk!) 15:33, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Ryan_Van_Winkle

I take issue with your rejection of Ryan_Van_Winkle.

• "The article should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources". It includes refs from three international broadsheet newspapers The Scotsman, The Guardian and The Age. He has also won the Crashaw Prize, which is a major UK poetry award. These are more than enough to demonstrate notability.
• "Reads kind of like a short, newspaper-style bio." Since when has this been a problem? It's a short bio using newspapers as references. You have a problem with tone?
• "Lead needs to be expanded a lot." It really doesn't, not for a three paragraph article. In no way is this a reason to reject an article.
• "Written like an advertisement". How? There is no overtly promotional tone? It talks about his background and the work he has done, that's all.

I have to say that it is no wonder that AfC is backed up if you keep rejecting articles with such flimsy reasoning.Span (talk) 17:57, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I agree with all 4 points of the above comment, and, in fact, I just accepted it. DGG ( talk ) 21:48, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

The revision where I declined it looked to me like somebody hosting creating a vanity article. This seemed to be confirmed to me by the username, User:DavePoems, and the fact that the only contributions of the user (as of this post) are edits to the article in question. However, I will definitely be more careful when declining articles in the future. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. APerson (talk!) 00:17, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Person, we stick to the rules about accepting or rejecting articles. I appreciate that you will go carefully. Span (talk) 13:55, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

afc

I have accepted several articles you recently declined:

• Stefan Stremersch meets WP:PROF from holding a named professorship at a major university--the article did need considerable editing for format and style, but I did it easily enough--it was just a matter or removing excess material and fixing the attempt at an infobox.
• Larry Bourne seem unquestionably notable for the same reason. The style could be improved a little, but it's not all that bad as it stands.
• Hand Therapy (Journal), and Health Services Management Research, tho both minimal articles, meet the notability guideline,m inclusion in a major selective index (Scopus).

In the other direction, I nominated an article you accepted Carbone Smolan Agency for AfD as hopelessly promotional--I couldn't see any way to fix it without starting over. I almost sent Japec Jakopin, to AfD for the same reason, but I decided he was notable enough to be worth fixing and cut the irrelevant parts

I consider Institute for New Culture Technologies-t0 very highly promotional -- I am trying to decide what to do with it. As typical for articles on european projects, the style is so opaque that it's hard to figure out what to do. DGG ( talk ) 21:46, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

• Stefan Stremersch, at the time I declined it was a completely uncited BLP (albeit with 2 external links, which were links to his bio at two university websites). Even though notability was met, sourcing was poor (i.e. nonexistent).
• Larry Bourne (version I reviewed) was rather promotional and poorly sourced ("one of the leading geographers in North America", cited to a press release, and "His primary research interests are", followed by a long list and uncited), and, at the time I declined it, only (or almost only) was sourced from press releases and university websites.
• As for Hand Therapy (Journal) and Health Services Management Research, I did not know of the notability guideline for periodicals. Could you link me to it?
• See the talkpage section for Japec Jakopin; could you point out how it is hopelessly promotional?
• Could you provide some sample sentences that show the high level of promotion present in Institute for New Culture Technologies-t0?

Thank you for your advice! APerson (talk!) 20:58, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

This seems like a useful conversation for all concerned. Span (talk) 15:02, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

@Spanglej: Would you mind giving some feedback to all involved about the articles in question? Thank you! APerson (talk!) 15:04, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

OK. Some of the main criteria for academic notability:

• . The person's research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources.
• . The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level.
• . The person is or has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association (e.g., a National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society) or a Fellow of a major scholarly society for which that is a highly selective honor (e.g., the IEEE).
• . The person's academic work has made a significant impact in the area of higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions.
• . The person holds or has held a named chair appointment or "Distinguished Professor" appointment at a major institution of higher education and research (or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon).
• . The person is or has been the head or chief editor of a major well-established academic journal in their subject area.

Both Stefan Stremersch and Larry Bourne certainly meet the above on several counts.

Larry Bourne was well referenced (at the time of rejection). I can see nothing in the reviewing instructions about only accepting secondary references It does say: "The content and sourcing policies require inline citations for only four specific types of material, most commonly: direct quotations and contentious material (whether negative, positive, or neutral) about living persons." WP seems to developing a strong anti primary refs zeitgeist that isn't reflected in WP:PSTS. Certainly the extra secondary refs help support notability.

Japec Jakopin seems fine re notability as it's clear he has made an impact - see the Financial Times and Playboy refs. Promotionalism can be edited out.

I am not sure of how much work reviewers are expected to do on the articles these days, or indeed how much work you might be interested in. Certainly a cursory search on Googlebooks shows that Larry Bourne appears in over 14000 publications - mostly, it seems, related to city planning. This, in itself, should tell you that the subject is very notable and has a major academic impact. It seems to me that there is little point in rejecting articles without some effort to improve them, as the current system seems to just keeps them in the loop. I see many articles with 7 or 8 resubmissions each with slight alterations. Surely better to rescue the ones that can validly be rescued? But, I acknowledge that each editor brings the time, interest and approach that they bring and that we are all volunteers.

Hand Therapy (Journal), Health Services Management Research, Carbone Smolan Agency and Institute for New Culture Technologies-t0. I mostly edit biogs. Company profiles always seem to sail perilously close to promotional syntax to me. Perhaps it is in the nature of the beast. Many eyes on articles like these and a good knowledge of company notability guidelines would seem to be the best bet here. New Culture Technologies certainly needs a major re-write but like DGG, I don't know what to make of it. Which is why I stick to biogs. I've no doubt that most of these articles are near the margin, which is why it's important to go carefully. Hope that helps. Span (talk) 16:19, 17 February 2014 (UTC)