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"Misplaced Pages's articles are no place for strong views. Or rather, we feel about strong views the way that a natural history museum feels about tigers. We admire them and want our visitors to see how fierce and clever they are, so we stuff them and mount them for close inspection. We put up all sorts of carefully worded signs to get people to appreciate them as much as we do. But however much we adore tigers, a live tiger loose in the museum is seen as an urgent problem." --WP:TIGER

Only 993062117 articles left until our billionth article!

We are only 993062117 articles away from our 1,000,000,000th article... --Guy Macon

Wikibreak

Guy Macon is suffering from physical health issues. This may affect his ability to work on Misplaced Pages. Consequently, he may not be able to respond to talk-page messages or e-mails in a timely manner. Your patience is greatly appreciated.

I've seen you back around the last day or so, and so I hope that things are going well for you. Best, --Tryptofish (talk) 20:17, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! At this point the medical issue is more annoying than it is serious, but I wanted everyone to know that I might suddenly disappear from editing for a while. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:24, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

I noticed that you mentioned that you've been unwell in a DRN recently. Hope you're on the mend! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:56, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia and Tor collaboration

Hello. I started a proposal on meta at meta:Grants:IdeaLab/Partnership_between_Wikimedia_community_and_Tor_community. I thought that you might like to comment. I am showing this to some Tor friends, and then I plan to post it to Tor lists and Wikimedia developer lists.

Thanks for starting the conversation on Jimbo's page. I had been thinking of this for a long time and now seems like a good time to explore this. Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:23, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I have started a couple of discussions there, See

Making Misplaced Pages writable for Tor users? and

Proposal: Create a Misplaced Pages-only read-only Tor exit node.

Pinggroup fail

I'm pretty sure this edit won't ping anyone. First, the HTML comments should cause it to fail. Second, it would only work if you had signed it. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:44, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

I had a feeling that it wasn't going to work, even though I copied it directly from the example shown at Template:Pinggroup. (Actually I tried the list=yes option first, which didn't work as advertised.) I am going to try again without the HTML comments, and then when that fails, with the signature. --Guy Macon (talk) 03:58, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

I will fix up the template's documentation. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 04:26, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I redid the ping using "template:tiny ping. --Guy Macon (talk) 04:36, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

I hope they can see you.davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 04:47, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

A thought

Re your comment at Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(proposals)#Open_letter_from_EFF.2C_Demand_Progress_on_re-opening_Wikipedia:Surveillance_awareness_day. As another EFF supporter, I'd love to see us take action. But I don't think the fault lies at the few participants of the said discussion; rather at the inefficient way we disseminate information. I only just learned about this entire debacle by an accident - VPP is on my watchlist, and I looked at the right time to see the discussion. No, I think we need to do something similar to what Lessig did when he moved away from Free Culture into Demand Progress: we need to reform the way Misplaced Pages announces such discussions, to ensure interested editors are at least aware of them. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 16:02, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

When including diffs in edit summaries, consider using a wikilink

Hello Guy. I happened to see your recent post to WP:FTN where you included some diffs in the edit summary itself. Note that Special:Diff is now working (since 8 February):

The first of your diffs was:

• Old syntax: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?oldid=595087695&diff=595081111 (this is not clickable in the edit summary itself since full URLs can't be clicked there)
• New syntax: Special:Diff/595087695/595081111 (this is a wikilink so it can be clicked, even in an edit summary)

In the edit summary you can pipe this to a suitable name, like: First protection request. This means that diffs in edit summaries can now be brief, blue-linked and clickable! Details of how to use are at this Gerrit link. EdJohnston (talk) 16:32, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

That's a great improvement. Thanks! --Guy Macon (talk) 19:36, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Note to self: look at the following pages and see if any need updating with information about Special:Diff and Special:PermanentLink. Also look into what happens when you put "Special:Diff" or "Special:PermanentLink" in the search box. Can we make it so that those searches go to a help page?

Help:Diff

Help:Interwikimedia links

Help:Link

Help:Page history#Linking to a specific version of a page

Help:Permanent link

Help:URL#Linking to a specific version of a page

mw:Help:Links

mw:Help:URL

Template:Diff

Template:Oldid2

Template:Oldid

Related:

Help:Interwikimedia links

meta:Clean linking

meta:Help:Interwiki linking

mw:Templates for linking to sister projects

Template:Cross-wiki language oldid

Template:Cross-wiki oldid

Template:Querylink

MediaWiki r79059 - Code Review

MediaWiki r79036 - Code Review

Also, Template:Diff has a "see also" to diff that doesn't go where it says it goes.

--Guy Macon (talk) 19:36, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

I left a note on the talk page

I think the article should be reverted back to here. There was not enough discussion. Can you revert back to the last stable reversion for me. I think too much information got deleted and no compromise was reached. We can start here which was actually the last stable version before the changes were made. QuackGuru (talk) 19:34, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

I will look into it later today; right now I have to spend some time dealing with that pesky real life. (Why can't they understand that staring at a glowing rectangle and pushing buttons on a slab of plastic is more important?) --Guy Macon (talk)

Farewell, and thank you

Hey Guy! Thanks for all your help in the last month. It's been great working with you. It was always a long shot that we would do something "special"-- as it should be, and I'm not at all disappointed that a controversial idea wasn't adopted. I had a lot of fun working on it.

Earlier you mentioned that "no one supported your timeline suggestions", but I just wanted to point out, I did:

• Support Timeline as written. petrarchan47tc 23:38, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
• Support the general idea and the initiative shown by Guy Macon. --HectorMoffet (talk) 15:45, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Haha, now obviously we didn't MEET your proposed timeline, but I wanted to just go out reminding you that I really valued your leadership.

Unfortunately, I found out some things about how parts of Misplaced Pages are run, and they just don't sit with me. I spent two years without really looking at mainpage, and I probably could have happily spent two years more without looking. If you like sausage, don't watch how the sausage is made, I suppose.

I couldn't leave without saying goodbye and thanks for all your hard work! If you ever get bored with with this place, come over to scholarpedia-- all the joy of editing Misplaced Pages with any of the drama of editing Misplaced Pages. --HectorMoffet (talk) 02:03, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

RE: User Walter Gorlitz

I do not wish to re-ignite a feud on the Larry Norman talk page, so I will discuss this with you here. Furthermore I'm deferring this to you since you obviously have more experience on Misplaced Pages.

He and I were both warned to stop personal attacks on either other and so forth. I have done my best to take a step back and focus on the material we're editing rather than feuding with Walter Gorlitz. However, I have noticed he continues to make heated exchanges, and even directing that heat towards you and possibly the other fellow that is trying to mediate the dispute. I also noticed on Walter Gorlitz that he was warned over a dispute/edit-warring with someone else on another Misplaced Pages article, just a mere day or two after the Larry Norman dispute began.

Perhaps there should be more disciplinary action taken? I will leave that decision with you and the administrators, but I'm certainly getting tired of his vitriol on the Larry Norman talk page. Startropic1 (talk) 15:11, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Acu, COI/N

Hi Guy M.,

Re your comment at WP:COIN#Acupuncture: I appreciate the fair-mindedness of your posts, so your feedback is valuable. "Not responding to every comment" is a lesson I'm still learning.

It saddens me if you perceive my comments at COI/N as shenanigans. My posts there are as sincere as can be; ant apparent shenanigans are artifacts of my communicative style. I'm a little obsessive, and don't like letting unwarranted accusations of editorial misconduct go unaddressed. Yet replying to every comment is a case of making the perfect the enemy of the good. The overall result is undeniably a mess, and without meaning to, I end up disrupting the process perhaps more than anyone else... and I just now grokked that this might be what you meant by "I call shenanigans". Is that the case?

Your final para about being strapped to a chair is a funny image. I'm not sure what you mean by "keep up the good work"; do you mean my "captors" -- and yes, they're only captors if I allow them to be -- are doing a good job of baiting? Valid criticism is doing one a favor (per Carl Sagan), and I want to be sure about what you're saying.

Happy editing, --Middle 8 (leave me alone • talk to me) 18:32, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I am glad you tool my comment in the spirit with which I posted it. Any attempt at humor has a risk of falling flat. As you figured out, you are not strapped to a chair and you don't have to respond. People who read noticeboards are very familiar with all sorts of human behavior. They can figure out if someone is making unsubstantiated accusations without any help.

BTW, I Call Shenanigans is a link that brings you to a page that explains it. --Guy Macon (talk) 02:45, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Great; thanks! I couldn't quote figure out the summary of that South Park sketch but sorta got the drift. That strapped-to-a-chair image reminded me of "A Clockwork Orange" -- dark humor indeed. "I was cured, alright." cheers --Middle 8 (leave me alone • talk to me)

Oops!... I Did It Again -- by over-responding here, especially at the top. It's a case of not recognizing that I've created a forest until I've planted too many trees. But, as the saying goes, good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Enough allusions for now; thanks again! --Middle 8 (leave me alone • talk to me) 02:13, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

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