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South Sudan

Hello, I saw you have been active on the South Sudan article and wanted to ask you if you could jump in on the article's talk page and offer you opinion about the problems Lihass has with trusting the UN as a source and his constand reinserting of out-dated information. EkoGraf (talk) 18:58, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Although hesitant, I have went even further and even removed the 1,000 figure by the UN coordinator, beside the claim by the aid worker, because the coordinator said the number probably has gone over 1,000. I hope this is a fair enough compromise. EkoGraf (talk) 19:18, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

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Kurds in Al-Qamishli.

But the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is reliable. It is a real source, and someone confirmed it in "comments" on the website. They said that the "YPG" said the same thing. --68.229.239.155 (talk) 23:06, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Here is official confirmation from a reliable source.The Daily Star.

South Sudan conflict name change

Your opinion would be appreciated here . EkoGraf (talk) 13:40, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

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About Hezbollah soldiers in Syria

According to Al-Jazeera, Reuters, WashingtonInstitute there are about 1700-4000 Hezbollah fighters in Syria.
Dailystar.com.lb is anti-Hezbollah website of Lebanon.
Hezbollah have total 15,000-20,000 soldiers. Its not possible for them to send 10,000-15,000 soldiers in Syria to defend Assad. SpidErxD (talk) 22:05, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Your sources Al-Jazeera and Reuters for 29 May, while my source The Daily Star for 24 December. Hanibal911 (talk) 22:13, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

As i said Dailystar.com.lb is anti-Hezbollah website of Lebanon which is not valid source.
Hezbollah have total 15,000-20,000 soldiers. Its not possible for them to send 10,000-15,000 soldiers in Syria to defend Assad.
According to WashingtonInstitute article which is published on December 5, 2013, there are 3000-5000 Hezbollah soldiers in Syria.
If you think there are 10,000-15,000 Hezbollah soldiers in Syria please provide authentic source like BBC,Reuters,CNN etc. ThankYou SpidErxD (talk) 22:26, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Anbar fighting

Have you thought about creating an article titled for example Battles of Ramadi and Fallujah? EkoGraf (talk) 22:52, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Start it and I will help you expand it. I thought about the title and maybe the title Ramadi and Fallujah uprising would also fit nice because some media outlets have also called it an uprising. We can always change the name in later discussions with editors. EkoGraf (talk) 15:03, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Someone already created it hehe 2013–14 Anbar clashes. EkoGraf (talk) 16:09, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

I restructured that article about the IF-FSA conflict into the current Opposition-ISIS conflict. Syrian opposition–Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant conflict EkoGraf (talk) 19:12, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

You were right to rename the article. Now this article looks more correct. Hanibal911 (talk) 19:18, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

This repeats content from the paragraph above, Ive removed it, btw.(Lihaas (talk) 09:15, 8 January 2014 (UTC)).

Just a heads up that this "north of the Iraqi capital Baghdad, according to security and hospital sources. The deadly incident took place on Tuesday on a highway north of the city of Samarra, the sources said" seems like its copy+paste from the source. WP cant do that it is a copyvio. Seperately, Tuesday doesn't mean anything when you look back at it years for now. Also be aware of WP:OVERLINK and merely saying "sources said" as this is not a newspaper. I reworded it slightly.Lihaas (talk) 11:39, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Please be aware of WP:OVERLINK and do not copy+paste from the article. This is not a media story and further it is a copyright violation to blindly write what is from the source!.

This is a verbatim quote copy+pasted from the source "security forces backed by tanks engaged in heavy fighting with Al-Qaeda linked militants in the Albubali area, between Ramadi and Fallujah, a police officer said. "A big force last night attacked hideouts in an area of Albubali that had been turned into a stronghold for Al-Qaeda fighters and, since this morning, there have been fierce clashes between both sides involving army tanks," the officer said"(Lihaas (talk) 02:33, 10 January 2014 (UTC)).

Thanks for reminder. Hanibal911 (talk) 06:34, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

NP, keep up the good additions. Ill correct here and there if you have issues. Just that sometimes it was too redundant ;)Lihaas (talk) 07:20, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to bother, but I implore you again not to copy and paste from sources as that is a copyright violation:

Here "fierce clashes have erupted between Iraqi special forces and al-Qaeda linked fighters in a village in the western Anbar province, officials say. The village, al-Bubali, lies between Fallujah and Ramadi, two cities in Anbar that are under siege by Iraqi security forces and their allies from Sunni Arab tribes" is a direct copy and paste from the first 2 lines of the source. I haven't checked the second source in that para, but it appears to be similar.Lihaas (talk) 05:27, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

This is a very close copy vio from nthisLihaas (talk) 16:41, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

E.Ghuta

That is exactly what I wanted to do yesterday but didn't have the time it is great like this as it represents what actualy happened in the area :) good job.Daki122 (talk) 16:28, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

I tried to show more accurately what the happening there. Hanibal911 (talk) 16:35, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you except for Deir Salman, which you should mark contested. http://brown-moses.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/the-rebel-offensives-in-east-ghouta.html

If you mark deir salman back to contested, I will leave the East ghouta region alone, so long as its not tampered with again until multiple reliable sources come through. Sopher99 (talk) 16:40, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

this source notes Deir Salman under control army. Map for 21 December shows it under army control. Hanibal911 (talk) 16:55, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Well Deir Selman is shown under government control by the pro-opp source so that does make it reliable an as far as I'm informed the rebels never reached Deir Salman and that is not only confirmed by por-government sources but also by pro rebel sources as well no need to change anything.Daki122 (talk) 17:25, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Agree. You got a pro-rebel source saying the town is most likely government-held. EkoGraf (talk) 19:13, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Shabiha and Jaysh al-Sha'bi

When the NDF showed up sources indicated that the Shabiha and other pro-government militias were being integrated into the NDF, while Jaysh al-Sha'bi was even speculated to already BE the NDF. For almost a year now there has been no mention of Shabiha and Jaysh al-Sha'bi in the conflict, or very minimal. Even SOHR has described, in its daily death tolls, the pro-government Syrian militiamen killed as all NDF. That suggests that those two have at this point become non-existent and have been completely merged into the NDF. EkoGraf (talk) 15:08, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Check their daily death tolls, in each one SOHR only says NDF members are killed. No mention of the two. The two do still exist but as subgroups of the NDF. Besides, the SOHR may as well be talking in that link of yours about those killed before the mergers. But the main point is they call them collectively the NDF in their daily reports. And Future and Sopher agree with me on this on the condition we note in brackets that the two still exist albait as part of the NDF. EkoGraf (talk) 16:51, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

South Sudan

As you are listed on the wikiproject page for South Sudan as a member, I was thus wondering if you are interested in collaborating on a page together? There is more info on the Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_South_Sudan#Agricultural_page?Lihaas (talk) 07:16, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

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NDF

That's because SOHR regards all the rebels the same except for ISIS and Nusra and thus calls the rebel fatalities collectively as rebel brigades. Also, we got sources from earlier in 2013 and from late 2012 confirming the start of a merger of those two government militias INTO the NDF. EkoGraf (talk) 16:09, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Source - clearly refers to Jaysh al-Sha'bi as the NDF and even links them to the Shabiha. EkoGraf (talk) 16:15, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Raqqa

I think the best solution for the raqqa problem is a green circle with a black ring. Kind of like hassakah and qamishli. Sopher99 (talk) 15:01, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

I agree. This will be best option. Hanibal911 (talk) 16:30, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

But here some more information. ISIL is now in control of 95 percent of Raqqa.Reuters Hanibal911 (talk) 21:17, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Here more map (opposition source) showing situation in northern part of Aleppo province. Hanibal911 (talk) 16:55, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Azaz

Situation in azaz according to pro-opposition sources, in case you find it useful. https://twitter.com/ced_lab/status/426199220429672448/photo/1/large Sopher99 (talk) 16:15, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

In this situation, I will be grateful for any information. Hanibal911 (talk) 16:21, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Ayyash

I saw you are good with adding new towns to the map. Could you please add the town of Ayyash in east Syria as government-held (its just north of Deir ez-Zor). We have both government and opposition sources confirming the towns capture by the Army. Also, the town of Tal Al-Azaeh should be added. We have a government source saying it was also captured, no confirmation from the opposition on this, but it should be marked at least as contested. Thanks! EkoGraf (talk) 00:29, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

I am not found on map city Tal Al-Azaeh. Hanibal911 (talk) 16:48, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

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Re:Outdated sources

I cant understand your point. I dont see any problem to use old sources to add towns to the map, of course, only in the case that there arent newer sources available (As in the Nawa case, something the well-known vandal user we all know seems to not understand). If there are newer sources, good, lets use it (as they supersede the older ones), but if not, lets use the ones we have. As far as I know, there aint any WP rule that states that sources have expiration dates. And If we use that measure, for example, all the checkpoints should be removed from the map, as they were added months or years ago, so we dont now who control s them or if they even exists now.

Im starting to think that some users (not you, of course) are trying to do anything to avoid my edits. They used partisan maps (Syrian Persective, Cedric Labrousse) to add towns to the map with no problems or opposition, but when I started doing the same they suddenly discover that they were published on Twitter and oppose its use. Now, oppose the use of reliable sources with the excuse of being outdated (who decides that? and, wich is the outdate limit? one week? one month?). Unless you or other users found a better reason to avoid my edits, I ask you to restore them or I will do it by myself, as (if Im not wrong) Im not breaking any WP rule. Regards,--HCPUNXKID (talk) 16:53, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

I think you're partially right that sometimes we could be used older sources but only to add new cities and villages. But then we need to be 100% sure that it was not later sources indicate other information relating to a particular town or village. But it's not easy to do. Hanibal911 (talk) 20:31, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

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	hi hanibal, why you are undoing my changes? these are real stuff. Thanks for your work anyway Barcaxx1980 (talk) 16:53, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I reverted all your changes because they unfounded. You have to specify sources which confirm all your changes. Hanibal911 (talk) 17:01, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Okay, reliable source !! is Aljazeera reliable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barcaxx1980 (talk • contribs) 13:26, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes it is a reliable source. Hanibal911 (talk) 13:29, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks man! for everything....

I don't know how to replay directly to your notifications! so I add it here.

Barcaxx1980 —Preceding undated comment added 22:08, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Was happy to help. Hanibal911 (talk) 22:15, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Re:The capitals of Syrian provinces

As far as I know, Raqqa is the only provincial capital not controlled by the Syrian gov., but by ISIS. And it seems that most of the road from Aleppo to Daraa (wich passes through Hama, Homs and Damascus and is the most important road in the country) is controlled by SAA and allied forces. That's what I know about that issue. Regards,--HCPUNXKID 16:23, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Towns with no sources

As Alhanuty has removed the towns you added based on a previous WP map (something wich could be discussable, but at least you provide something to back your edit), you should remove the towns Sopher99 added WITHOUT A SINGLE SOURCE (see https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Template:Syrian_civil_war_detailed_map&diff=595067679&oldid=595059738 & https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Template:Syrian_civil_war_detailed_map&diff=595059407&oldid=595045023). I removed them for not being backed by any type of source, but he reverted my changes with one of his typical dumb and false argumentations. Lets oppose this flagrant double standards. Regards,--HCPUNXKID 19:05, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

I returned those the cities which were earlier added by me because there is confirmation from opposition source that these towns under control the army. Hanibal911 (talk) 19:28, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

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Syria map

Regarding the map conflict only HPUNXKID appeared to had concenrs with Barcaxx. Indeed, I only saw you contact him about his use of pro-regime sites. Furthermore you and the other editors didn't have a problem with the use of wikimapia to add villages and towns so long as as it stayed within the clear defined boundaries of syria maps (like the BBC maps)

Like-wise for the same reason I took no issue with your additions to the deir ezzor province using twitter maps.

There fore your comment "Support block. I agree to other editors. The rules should be the same for all." is a bit in error, since I was abiding by a underlying rule I assume everyone was following.

I would like you to please reconsider my situation, and retract your support for a block/ban. Sopher99 (talk) 22:43, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Sopher I wanted to retract of my support for a block / ban but your friend Alhanuty became threaten me and I now doubt whether I should do it. Hanibal911 (talk) 07:49, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

You  also did the same thing,so you could be blocked also for this.Alhanuty (talk) 06:24, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I added a citys in Tartous Province because that province is completely under control of army and this is confirmed by data from Misplaced Pages but this is also confirmed by many sources including the pro opposition sources. Maybe I was wrong adding two cities in province of Deir ez-Zor but this information confirmed pro opposition source. And at the moment no information confirming that rebels surrounded military in Deir ez-Zor hence road from Homs province under control of the army but if I wrong then I apologize. Also as you have probably noticed that I not returned them back because agree with your argument that maybe you're right and source of which I used to add them not entirely reliable. Hanibal911 (talk) 07:30, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, but you are accepting a double standard. While you have accepted the removal of your unsourced edit, Sopher still denies the removal of the towns he added without sources. That cannot be like that, both should be removed or both added.--HCPUNXKID 22:49, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Re:Al Dumayr

The article in question was first published in Foreign Affairs, then re-pubished in the pro-opp. outlets. As FA is a reliable source, I think it should stay like that. Regards,--HCPUNXKID 22:38, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Question about the Syrian map template

Hey, would you please tell me what exactly the 1 revert rule is?

Thanks Barcaxx1980 —Preceding undated comment added 00:16, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Sophere99!!!

What is he doing Reverting for 3 or 4 times without any source. He is not even looking for reality, but playing with the map like a toy or a rubbish.

Barcaxx1980 —Preceding undated comment added 10:40, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Sopher99 !!!!!!!!!

5 reverts in a row !!!! wow he made a record

What is he doing!!! some body sould stop him. He reverted 5 times with no source. You guys really made him crazy when you refused to give him those villages in Der-Alzor (for FSA against ISIS). Please give him Mars and tell him to leave the page. Opposition has no control in alawite and christian villages in Masyaf and west of Homs and Hama. and no control al all in Tartus. I gave him a map from opposition itself. It is very well known fact and he knows it very well, but as you refused to give him those villages in est of Syria, he will delete Damascus itself !!!

I know I am new, and I was not giving sources to every thing, but Hanibal and another user did tell me that and they guided me and checked my edits, and I am contacting them to understand how to make things in the right ways. But this guy Sopher99 is really amazing !!! He is a country himself and nobody can ever tell him what to do.

User:Barcaxx1980 —Preceding undated comment added 11:11, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Babilla

Can you re-add the lime part , rebels only handed heavy weapons over (aritllery and such)

also it says both red and green flag were raised. Thanks Sopher99 (talk) 16:19, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Also I agree with you on raqqa. Perhaps we can add a contested dot within Raqqa itself to represent the neighborhood. Sopher99 (talk) 16:29, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Source said opposition fighters handing over heavy weapons and the regime raising its red, white, black and green flag there. There is not told about the rebel flag this source only listed all the colors of the Syrian flag. Regime troops raised the Syrian flag over the municipality of the southern suburb.The Daily Star NOW News

I now try of note the contested area in Raqqa and try to find more data confirming clashes in the city. Hanibal911 (talk) 16:35, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Re:Al-Shaykh Saad and Adwan

Clearly, thats not acceptable, not only for the source (LCC) but for the media used to publish it (Facebook). I will revert it when possible.--HCPUNXKID 17:10, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Hama villages

Below are the diffs that show Barcaxx adding villages without a source, or with youtube and twitter. I wouldn't have a problem except for the fact HCPUNX keeps reverting my villages I added with wikimapia.

Please help me remove these villages, I will continue myself after 24hours of my last revert.

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Template:Syrian_civil_war_detailed_map&diff=594646538&oldid=594642856

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Template:Syrian_civil_war_detailed_map&diff=594260126&oldid=594233591

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Template:Syrian_civil_war_detailed_map&diff=594642856&oldid=594580088

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Template:Syrian_civil_war_detailed_map&diff=594658448&oldid=594649722

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Template:Syrian_civil_war_detailed_map&diff=594362268&oldid=594360075

or you can just revert HCPUNX's removal of my villages, and then we don't have to remove all these villages. Which ever way you feel is best. Sopher99 (talk) 20:29, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Let us, as a compromise, I just bring back on the map villages that you added earlier. And we will not do such changes in the future. If you agree with me it would be the best solution. Hanibal911 (talk) 21:33, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

If you mean you'll re-add the rebel villages under the condition that no additional regime or rebel village gets added without a good reliable source, then I agree. Sopher99 (talk) 22:12, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Here on this and agreed. Hanibal911 (talk) 22:38, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

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--Bbb23 (talk) 21:54, 21 February 2014 (UTC)