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March 2014

This is your last warning. The next time you add unsourced material to Misplaced Pages, as you did at Seattle, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. GotR 18:14, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

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There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. GotR 19:13, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

I suggest you read this before furthering your disruption. And did this message not sink in? Under no circumstances is one to undo the transclusion of established templates or inflate the article source text size; all edits MUST be done to the templates. Ignoring me (and thus evading all attempts at discussion) will only make you look worse in the eyes of others. GotR 19:16, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
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See and Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#IP vandalising climate data for months Dennis Bratland (talk) 15:33, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

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For greater emphasis

Using another city as an example, ONLY normals hold OFFICIAL STATUS (therefore this is non-negotiable), not simple averages. Weather.com and Accuweather, which use NOAA/NWS figures, agree. After this lecture, any further "stonewalling" will be taken as intentionally disruptive WP:IDIDNOTHEARTHAT. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 21:27, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

AN/I is not the place to list arguments in content "disputes". "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 21:39, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

NOAA/NWS/NCDC only release normals every decade, so if this edit summary is not misinformation, I don't know what is. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 23:51, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

There now are corroborating sources, and yet you still continue your wanton disruption. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 00:07, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you disrupt Misplaced Pages, as you did at Template:Boston weatherbox, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Hertz1888 (talk) 00:57, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

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What kind of the source? it's in the behind of the link, it's just too bad that American cities climate informations are not cleanly described as like Canadian cities.

You do realise that you are providing more fodder ammunition and shooting yourself in the foot, at the very least? "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 02:08, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Misplaced Pages's policy on edit warring. The thread is Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:75.191.173.190 reported by User:Lieutenant of Melkor (Result: ). Thank you. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 19:05, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring

Hello there. After reading the thread at the administrators' noticeboard, I was almost ready to block you for edit warring. However, I see that you haven't edited at all in two days, so it seems a bit pointless to block you right now. However, if you resume edit warring on any of the articles in question, I won't hesitate to issue a block, so please be careful. The correct way to deal with situations like these is to discuss the issues on the talk pages of the articles concerned. For reference, please see the "bold, revert, discuss" essay and the policy on consensus. Best — Mr. Stradivarius 23:56, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I just want to say what's really about that criticize with my edit? I'm trying to repair the climate informations to right data. But, they keep decline me as it's a false and vandalism. All I do is go to the source below in the link that they gave and choose a right city in "location" and get those from "Variable" - "Maximum Temperature, "Minimum Temperature", "Average Temperature", "Precipitation" etc. then "Year" to the 1981-2010. If I find to approve myself that something is ABSOLUTELY wrong in my access to edit climate data, then I will accept their data and not edit in any of the American cities. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.191.173.190 (talk • contribs)

You have already been proven to be wrong by countless links I gave you. The correct normals are found at, using NOWData for NWS Upton, NY an example: "1) Daily/monthly normals" and proceeding as usual from there. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee " 01:27, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Can I ask two more questions simply, is there "Product" - "Monthly avgs/totals" to gathering datas are completely wrong compared to "Daily/mohthly normals" and may I add to average temperature that city doesn't have on it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.191.173.190 (talk • contribs)

Not always "completely wrong", as for Bridgeport, CT I have found the simple "avgs/totals" temperatures to be close to the Normals, but you're safer off deferring to the Normals as such a situation is quite rare and the simple "avgs/totals" may differ from the Normals by more than 1.0 °F in some months and stations. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee " 01:45, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Do you see any problem on Template:Salt Lake City weatherbox that I just edited? By the way before edited the city few months ago, January average temperature in Salt Lake City was like below -3 degrees celcius and seems like no one try to edit it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.191.173.190 (talk) 02:04, 12 March 2014‎ (UTC)

(edit conflict)They do not convey helpful information since all the NWS and Environment Canada do to calculate the daily mean temperature is compute (TMAX+TMIN)/2 which is of course problematic on days (as an example) where a strong cold front arrives and the daily high is reached between midnight and dawn. Many other meteorological agencies report the daily mean as an average of hourly measurements (or even more complex methods). I have no formal training in meteorology yet am able to make such a conclusion, which is more or less in line with the opinion of some career meteorologists. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee " 02:12, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

I know that the actual average temperature is not exactly fit in the arithmatic calculation. But my thought is there's always better than not provide any informations and since it's also PART OF THE DATA in the link, I want to include them too look understand easier that the city's middle of the range of between two temperatures. It's not that wrong to exclude. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.191.173.190 (talk • contribs)

I know that the actual average temperature is not exactly fit in the arithmatic calculation. The daily mean temperature computed by NWS is precisely the arithmetic mean of the daily high and low. In my view, such a calculation can be easily made with the data provided in the templates (unlike the mean of hourly measurements) and is actually misinformation due to factors such as daytime cold fronts and evening thunderstorms. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee " 02:47, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Last week, I had experienced that same situation in my location where the minimum temperature occured during the daytime due to cold front rarely. But that's not my point. I assume you CAN'T find any other good sources that average temperatures you're prefer looking for, so may I PLEASE use the average temperature informations like those Canadian climate data have been already used well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.191.173.190 (talk • contribs)

With respect to the edit warring policy, the content of your edits is mostly irrelevant. While there are a few exceptions for certain types of edits, in general, reverting without discussing things on the talk page will get you blocked, no matter how good your edits are. Even if you believe your edits are right, that doesn't give you a free pass to ignore Misplaced Pages's rules. In addition to discussing edits that have been contested, it would also really help if you properly cite your sources when changing any statistics. We need the sources to be cited in every case, so that we know that what you added is true. (For more details, see the verifiability policy.) — Mr. Stradivarius 02:11, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Also, about this edit - you need to discuss edits that you want to make before you make them, not while you are making them, and not after you make them. You need to have a consensus to make the edit, otherwise it counts as edit warring. And if I notice you edit warring again today, I will block you, so again, please be careful. — Mr. Stradivarius 02:18, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

I apologize if that was out of the rule but I've shown examples and politely asking to look. Yes, I understand your concept. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.191.173.190 (talk • contribs)

Trying to stay clear of WP:OR, we should show what other sources normally show for the average, and the meaning and method for the values needs to be defined, right? Showing the arithmetic mean of the high and low doesn't seem like particularly useful data, so if there is a good source for the hourly average, and that's something people expect to see, I'd suggest using it (and calling it "Hourly Avg" or "Hourly Mean". Also, @75.191.173.190: please "sign" your posts to talk pages (only) by adding 4 tildes (~~~~) afterwards. —— 05:25, 12 March 2014 (UTC)